Restaurant has an Employee With HIV. Would You Eat There Knowing That?

[Farang]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
This is a poor question as to the topic of AIDS. It's undermined by the risk/reward issue. Fact is, that the "reward" of eating at any particular restaurant, especially considering the real lack of uniqueness in any dining experience, is outweighed by even a .00000000000000000001% risk of contracting a terminal disease.

Even if you know it's a longshot, I'd rather just get a steak or seafood at the next place down the street. (where you get to expose yourself to plenty of less lethal goodies).

This doesn't make any sense to me. You're going to avoid a place because of a literally .00000000000000000001% chance of getting AIDS. But this logic is only being applied to this specific situation for no reason--why not factor in ever .00000000000000000001% chance then? What if a restaurant is near the water? Do you want to avoid a possible tsunami? What if walking to work is safer than driving? Are you going to avoid the chance of you getting in an accident, significantly more than .00000000000000000001%, and instead walk? No. You're applying this to one scenario and that makes no sense.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: finite automaton


You bring up a good point. Fuck.

Edit: I also don't appreciate being referred to as ignorant when I am simply contributing my opinion to a thread that is asking for everyone's opinion. What makes your opinion better than mine? Because it's a fact that HIV can only be transmitted via blood contact? Ok. So it doesn't even cross your mind that by putting yourself in close proximity with someone with HIV, you are increaseing the likely hood of putting yourself in a situation that puts you at risk. For example, mosh. I don't know what kind of patients she deals with but what if she is bit by someone with HIV? That's not a situation I'd like to be in.

you are ignorant though. sorry, i'd rather not say it, but it's painfully obvious.

Someone would have to HIV+, bite through my glove, and cause skin trauma for there to even be a chance of transmission to me. Where I work I would say I have a better chance of winning millions in the lottery than having that happen (and i don't even buy tickets. )

From the CDC (you should click on the link I provided below and read the whole thing):


"Biting

In 1997, CDC published findings from a state health department investigation of an incident that suggested blood-to-blood transmission of HIV by a human bite. There have been other reports in the medical literature in which HIV appeared to have been transmitted by a bite. Severe trauma with extensive tissue tearing and damage and presence of blood were reported in each of these instances. Biting is not a common way of transmitting HIV. In fact, there are numerous reports of bites that did not result in HIV infection.

Saliva, Tears, and Sweat

HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. It is important to understand that finding a small amount of HIV in a body fluid does not necessarily mean that HIV can be transmitted by that body fluid. HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV."


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resourc...heets/transmission.htm

 

[oznerol]

If there were 2 McDonalds an equal distance away from you - one employed nothing but people with HIV and the other did not - which would you go to? If you say "it doesn't matter, they're exactly the same", then good for you. Unfortunately most people are programmed to go the "100% less HIV" route.

I see the OP had to skew it a bit and make it "a restaurant you absolutely love". I suppose that would make the decision more difficult.

Would you want a person with HIV babysitting your kids? Performing surgery on you? Cleaning your teeth? Cutting your hair? Washing your car?

Different people have different tolerances for these things. Most of it is because it is something they don't understand, but know is potentially harmful, and thus avoid. I don't think that is necessarily a bad practice - it's actually result of thousands of years of evolution.

For the record, I would have no problem eating at said restaurant.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: Imp
So, you are suggesting some type of social-AIDs Darwinism. All the rich people (possibly ones with sugar daddies/mommies), who gets lots and lots of ass, have AIDs and spread it will be A-ok to procreate and spread. Meanwhile, the poor bastards who gets lots of ass will be forced to die quicker. All cause they didn't marry rich or 'make it' on their own. Ok, ya, ok there man...

No. I just see two possibilities:

I can personally support someone who has AIDS, knowing he may in the future spread it and cause additional pain and death.

-or-

I could not support them. Maybe like you say they are rich so the lack of a job doesn't affect them, or maybe they aren't but the other posters in this thread who love to feel sorry for AIDS victims will be enough to keep them going, but at least I won't feel bad when they spread the disease further and kill more people, because I am not responsible for those deaths- the people who supported the AIDS victim are.

You are.....14? No, not possible. 12?

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: jonks

You are.....14? No, not possible. 12?

I'm 30. Honestly what difference does it make? You can't dispute my logic so you resort to personal attacks about my age?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: jonks

You are.....14? No, not possible. 12?

I'm 30. Honestly what difference does it make? You can't dispute my logic so you resort to personal attacks about my age?

So would you eat at a restaurant where the janitor is mentally retarded, or would you not want to support the spread of his genes?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: jonks

You are.....14? No, not possible. 12?

I'm 30. Honestly what difference does it make? You can't dispute my logic so you resort to personal attacks about my age?

You don't have logic, you have idiocy, and time spent refuting idiocy is time wasted. I'm just encouraging you to keep posting though, because it is certainly entertaining.

 

[everman]

I like to avoid disease. If you take the whole food service industry as a whole, people do get sick all the time from various things. It doesn't really worry me though.
That said, if I knew a particular establishment had a particularly elevated risk of contracting a disease, I'd probably avoid it. Wouldn't you?

 

[ponyo]

I would worry more about hepatitis B/C when eating out. If I knew someone working at the restaurant had hepatitis b/c or aids, I would stop eating there especially if they worked in the kitchen. Accidents are common in the kitchen area.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Deeko
is he masturbating directly into my uncooked food, with his infected semen not touching air that will kill the virus?

If the answer is yes, then I will stop eating there.

Does he wash his hands after he gives his bf a bj?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

All people fear. I believe it is your reaction to that fear that defines what it is to be human. Knowledge is a great weapon against fear but, needs to be reinforced by social and peer approval. Some will always fear whether the facts are known or not. Some will put their faith in social and peer approval and dismiss the facts. Some, a rare handful, will act in spite of their fear because they judge the harm caused by giving in to the unenlightened masses outweighs the risks associated with the fear.

Few people really think about what kind of person they are until faced with situations beyond their experience or comfort zone. AIDS is a terrible disease as is cancer and many others. I urge everyone to decide what kind of person you are before allowing the fears to dictate to you or others what it means to be human.

Go to the restaurant.

 

[finite automaton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: finite automaton


You bring up a good point. Fuck.

Edit: I also don't appreciate being referred to as ignorant when I am simply contributing my opinion to a thread that is asking for everyone's opinion. What makes your opinion better than mine? Because it's a fact that HIV can only be transmitted via blood contact? Ok. So it doesn't even cross your mind that by putting yourself in close proximity with someone with HIV, you are increaseing the likely hood of putting yourself in a situation that puts you at risk. For example, mosh. I don't know what kind of patients she deals with but what if she is bit by someone with HIV? That's not a situation I'd like to be in.

you are ignorant though. sorry, i'd rather not say it, but it's painfully obvious.

Someone would have to HIV+, bite through my glove, and cause skin trauma for there to even be a chance of transmission to me. Where I work I would say I have a better chance of winning millions in the lottery than having that happen (and i don't even buy tickets. )

From the CDC (you should click on the link I provided below and read the whole thing):


"Biting

In 1997, CDC published findings from a state health department investigation of an incident that suggested blood-to-blood transmission of HIV by a human bite. There have been other reports in the medical literature in which HIV appeared to have been transmitted by a bite. Severe trauma with extensive tissue tearing and damage and presence of blood were reported in each of these instances. Biting is not a common way of transmitting HIV. In fact, there are numerous reports of bites that did not result in HIV infection.

Saliva, Tears, and Sweat

HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. It is important to understand that finding a small amount of HIV in a body fluid does not necessarily mean that HIV can be transmitted by that body fluid. HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV."


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resourc...heets/transmission.htm

Someone would have to HIV+, bite through my glove, and cause skin trauma for there to even be a chance of transmission to me.

My point is that stranger things have happened. If someone who was HIV+ bit you, can you really tell me that the first thing you WOULDN'T do is pull off your glove and make sure you weren't bleeding?

Edit: I would also like to know what I am ignorant of.
Edit2: I will read the link after class tonight.

 

[LtPage1]

Is the person bleeding into my food, and then spilling it into an open wound on my body? I didn't think so.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: jonks

You are.....14? No, not possible. 12?

I'm 30. Honestly what difference does it make? You can't dispute my logic so you resort to personal attacks about my age?

So would you eat at a restaurant where the janitor is mentally retarded, or would you not want to support the spread of his genes?

Depends, what kind of food is served at this restaurant where jonks works as a janitor?

 

[imthebadguy]

fukk no

 

[TallBill]

Yes, but it has nothing to do with fear or lack of fear. We come in contact with all sorts of horrible diseases daily.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
I wouldn't. By eating at such a restaurant, you are indirectly supporting a person with aids, allowing him to live longer, which increases the chance they he/she may spread the disease further.

By that logic, you shouldn't be allowed to work. This allows you to live longer, which increases the chance you may spread stupidity further than you already have.

 

[IGBT]

..there's a full range of contagious disease that show up in fast food joints and restaurants. AIDS and HIV are only the tip of the iceburg.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..there's a full range of contagious disease that show up in fast food joints and restaurants. AIDS and HIV are only the tip of the iceburg.

People die less than a month from e-coli or lusteria, they might die in a few years with full blown AIDs. Obviously you should worry about the latter. On the otherhand, you can't spread the former.

 

[SsupernovaE]

Even if you fear HIV, the solution is simple: only eat at upper-class restaurants. Being surrounded by so much money will make you virtually immune to AIDS!

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
I wouldn't. By eating at such a restaurant, you are indirectly supporting a person with aids, allowing him to live longer, which increases the chance they he/she may spread the disease further.

By that logic, you shouldn't be allowed to work. This allows you to live longer, which increases the chance you may spread stupidity further than you already have.

So you are pro AIDS? I think the world would be a better place without the disease, sorry you disagree.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
I wouldn't. By eating at such a restaurant, you are indirectly supporting a person with aids, allowing him to live longer, which increases the chance they he/she may spread the disease further.

By that logic, you shouldn't be allowed to work. This allows you to live longer, which increases the chance you may spread stupidity further than you already have.

So you are pro AIDS? I think the world would be a better place without the disease, sorry you disagree.

What exactly is AIDs to you? A disease only the stupid and poor voluntarilly infect themselves with? A disease sent down by whomever to scorn the unworthy?

Why not give up on cancer patients. It's their fault for being genetically susceptible. Damn genetically inferior invalids...

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
I wouldn't. By eating at such a restaurant, you are indirectly supporting a person with aids, allowing him to live longer, which increases the chance they he/she may spread the disease further.

By that logic, you shouldn't be allowed to work. This allows you to live longer, which increases the chance you may spread stupidity further than you already have.

So you are pro AIDS? I think the world would be a better place without the disease, sorry you disagree.

I think the world would be a better place without any disease. We should nuke africa, considering how many people there have diseases, don't you agree?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: CorCentral
If he cut himself and dropped a minute amount of blood into your food? All the while you had a cut on the inside of your mouth?

Maybe if you at the food within 2 seconds of the blood getting in it. HIV has issue with air and does not live long outside the body.

 

[amdhunter]

I'd rather eat with an HIV employee than one with Herpes.