Restaurant refused to serve trump supporter

[guachi]

I was in a bar that wouldn't serve droids. What should I do?

 

[shortylickens]

I was in a bar that wouldn't serve droids. What should I do?

Maim two ugly mother fuckers. Then go sit and have a drink with the nearest walking carpet.

 

[Vic]

Hmm, let's see what the Amendment says.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

There are laws requiring businesses to serve protected classes. Those laws provide zero protection against the exact same discrimination for those outside those protected classes. That is exactly the same as claiming that gay people weren't being discriminated against because straight people couldn't marry someone of the same sex either.


You'd think that's what would happen, but in fact we're simply moving toward a society where the law means different things for different people. Honestly, that's how we started. All men are created equal - but not you, you're colored. We had a brief fling flirting with actually living up to our professed ideals; that's now long over.


Amen, brother. It's like we have to discriminate against someone, for some reason, or we'll burst.

You and Ammon Bundy should get together and have a contest for who can come up with the biggest and most ridiculous misinterpretation of the Constitution.
Political opinion isn't a protected class, so you can't get equal protection of a law that doesn't exist.

 

[Zaap]

not really the same. Both are stupid (the vendors), imo.

Difference between these is one douchenozzle claimed "god commanded him" (apparently his god is interested in politics) to strand a lady on the side of a road.

In the other, douchnozzles told a lady to go eat somewhere else ostensibly because of her advertising that she clearly doesn't like the people serving her food. I didn't read the article, but was that the only reason she was kicked out? Still, it's dumb, but I wonder if she was being belligerent.

So let me see if I got this:

It's okay to discriminate so long as the reason you cite is approved.

So, citing 'god commanded you' = not okay to discriminate, but citing "I didn't like her politics" is.


LOL, I'm just wondering where the boundaries of this new form of "okay discrimination" are, because right now it's looking pretty fast and loose.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

LOL, I'm just wondering where the boundaries of this new form of "okay discrimination" are, because right now it's looking pretty fast and loose.

It only looks that way to people who are too stupid to look up what the protected classes are in the US.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So let me see if I got this:

It's okay to discriminate so long as the reason you cite is approved.

So, citing 'god commanded you' = not okay to discriminate, but citing "I didn't like her politics" is.


LOL, I'm just wondering where the boundaries of this new form of "okay discrimination" are, because right now it's looking pretty fast and loose.

its not discrimination its a dress code issue

Someone who wears a hat & pin is not a race, sex or religion. They can remove the hat & pin. Being black or gay or a man cannot be removed. There is nothing else to understand.

 

[Knowing]

So let me see if I got this:

It's okay to discriminate so long as the reason you cite is approved.

So, citing 'god commanded you' = not okay to discriminate, but citing "I didn't like her politics" is.


LOL, I'm just wondering where the boundaries of this new form of "okay discrimination" are, because right now it's looking pretty fast and loose.

The boundaries are wrong think vs correct think. (Changed from right think because of implications)

 

[thraashman]

The article in the OP has the restaurant claiming she was kicked for being rude to staff and obnoxious. She claims she was booted for being a Trump supporter. Based on the Trump supporters in P&N and the few I've met in person, the restaurants claims seem FAR more likely to be true.

 

[werepossum]

You and Ammon Bundy should get together and have a contest for who can come up with the biggest and most ridiculous misinterpretation of the Constitution.
Political opinion isn't a protected class, so you can't get equal protection of a law that doesn't exist.

Again, this is EXACTLY the same as denying homosexuals the right to marry because heterosexuals are likewise denied the right to marry someone of the same sex. We cannot have protected classes with special rights and have equal protection, period.

 

[Zaap]

its not discrimination its a dress code issue

Someone who wears a hat & pin is not a race, sex or religion. They can remove the hat & pin. Being black or gay or a man cannot be removed. There is nothing else to understand.

Ah, so Bernie or Hillary supporters showing up at a Trump rally can be instantly ejected, no questions asked. And not a peep from lefties.

Simple violation of a dress code issue.

BLM supporter shows up anywhere, wearing their hate speech on a t-shirt or whatever- instant ejection from whatever place of business.

Got it.

 

[IBMer]

Again, this is EXACTLY the same as denying homosexuals the right to marry because heterosexuals are likewise denied the right to marry someone of the same sex. We cannot have protected classes with special rights and have equal protection, period.

You look at this completely wrong. You are a protected class. You are protected the exact same way. You can marry an adult of your choosing regardless of gender. Just because you choose a female doesn't make you any less protected. If the same people were trying to suddenly deny heterosexual marriages you would be protected. Same with all the other "Protected Status" it is not people getting special treatment its all people getting the same treatment.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ah, so Bernie or Hillary supporters showing up at a Trump rally can be instantly ejected, no questions asked. And not a peep from lefties.

Simple violation of a dress code issue.

BLM supporter shows up anywhere, wearing their hate speech on a t-shirt or whatever- instant ejection from whatever place of business.

Got it.

Yes they can & they have been ejected

 

[Zaap]

Yes they can & they have been ejected

Just clearing it up. Cool. No more complaints when any of these sort of things happen.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just clearing it up. Cool. No more complaints when any of these sort of things happen.

Agreed but their decision isn't always correct or ethical. Assuming this woman wasn't making a scene ots a bad call but its also a bad call to not remove that shit when entering a Mexican restaurant.

 

[fskimospy]

Hmm, let's see what the Amendment says.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

There are laws requiring businesses to serve protected classes. Those laws provide zero protection against the exact same discrimination for those outside those protected classes. That is exactly the same as claiming that gay people weren't being discriminated against because straight people couldn't marry someone of the same sex either.


You'd think that's what would happen, but in fact we're simply moving toward a society where the law means different things for different people. Honestly, that's how we started. All men are created equal - but not you, you're colored. We had a brief fling flirting with actually living up to our professed ideals; that's now long over.


Amen, brother. It's like we have to discriminate against someone, for some reason, or we'll burst.

This is a basic misunderstanding of public accommodation laws and the 14th amendment.

Public accommodation laws NEVER say that gay people are protected, they that all people are protected from discrimination based on their sexual orientation. That means a straight person is protected from discrimination by gay people the same as gay people are protected from discrimination.

Protected classes don't refer to specific kinds of people, they refer to attributes of everyone. You are a member of all the same protected classes as anyone else because you have a sex, a religion, a sexual orientation, etc. Therefore everyone enjoys equal protection at all times. This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that public accommodation laws protect some people more than others. This remains totally untrue.

So yes, once again not only does the 14th amendment not apply to private business but there is no equal protection violation from any of this.

 

[fskimospy]

Again, this is EXACTLY the same as denying homosexuals the right to marry because heterosexuals are likewise denied the right to marry someone of the same sex. We cannot have protected classes with special rights and have equal protection, period.

We not only can, we always have. There is no way someone actually understands public accommodation laws and thinks that certain classes of people have special rights under them.

 

[agent00f]

The article in the OP has the restaurant claiming she was kicked for being rude to staff and obnoxious. She claims she was booted for being a Trump supporter. Based on the Trump supporters in P&N and the few I've met in person, the restaurants claims seem FAR more likely to be true.

My question is why a brash trump fan would patronize a mexican restaurant in the first place, where illegal immigrants rapists often work. His primary pillar is building a wall to keep mexicans rapists out. Can't resist the delicious tacos?

 

[Texashiker]

So (hypothetically) if a black person wearing Hillary regalia walks into a restaurant and said regalia makes people uncomfortable, the owner of said restaurant (who has Gary Johnson signs posted) is entitled to ask the Hillary supporter to leave and should fear no consequences?

So when gay people kiss or hold hands, they can be told to leave.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So when gay people kiss or hold hands, they can be told to leave.

In theory yes but assuming it's an innocent kiss or not sexy or disruptive it would be in bad taste. This is the grey area.

 

[openwheel]

Restaurants reserve the right to refuse service.

I say blue states should just throw out all registered Republicans and refuse to do business with them all together. Let Texas declare independence from USA and see how that goes.

Perhaps I am dreaming....

 

[MixMasterTang]

Republicans love the constitution when it works to their liking and complain about it when it doesnt. Perhaps the original argument would have been better if it was comparing two similar scenarios instead of 1 illegal scenario and 1 legal scenario. Rage on my friends, rage on.