Retail Barton 2500+ $90.00 @ GoogleGear & $90.00 @ NewEgg

[Xionide]

Btw, I read in a forum that the oem was better. Can somone explain this for me? i cant find the thread

-Xionide

 

[Bot69]

It's better because it's cheaper.

Does the oem chip have the exact quality as a boxed cpu? Or does oem imply that it is made by another company who was contracted by AMD and thus do not possess the same strict standards of quality?

 

[timsactown]

I ordered one on Saturday and still haven't got it yet. I used to receive package the very next day from Newegg. I guess nobody is working during the holiday weekend beside the computer.

-peace-

 

[sheltem]

the AMD oem processors are still made by amd themselves. They just don't carry the same warranty or the heatsink and fan that the boxed versions have.

 

[c627627]

Yeah CPUs are made in very expensive fabs, they're all the same. Retail gives you 3 year warranty and an AMD heatsink with the same chip. People pay extra and throw away the heatsink just to get retail warranty.

Originally posted by: shady06 : ahh, but the real question is can it live up to it's PR rating and run with a P4 3.4 when its released?

Either way it will be close enough. Why do 80% - 85% people still buy Intel?

 

[JBT]

OEM is ussually a newer processor because OEM ussually moves faster than retail at places like newegg and Googlegear.

 

[Boardmonger]

Originally posted by: Mikewarrior2

Originally posted by: manly

Can anyone comment on the warranty issue w.r.t. to thermal compound? AMD was reported to revoke the warranty if we use thermal compound. I have a new Thermalright HS and Arctic Silver 3 waiting, and would be very interested in picking up this CPU. But not if I lose warranty coverage (not that I ever expect a CPU to fail).

Well...........

if you really want to get technical, if you read the documents that come with an AMD retail processor, using any heatsink other than the supplied stock heatsink/thermal pad combination will void the warranty.

So the grease issue, like this heatsink issue, is one where AMD is covering their own rear ends. So if you use a third party heatsink, you're voiding the retail warranty, thermal pad or not.


Mike

I used grease on a XP1800 & a after market heat sink. The proc ended up needing an RMA and AMD sent me a new one. I can't remember now if I cleaned the cpu off very well or not, but I know that I left the thermal tape cover on the heatsink that came with the proc and they took it no questions.

I am not saying they will take it in all cases I am just saying what they did with me

 

[SimMike2]

Everyone acts like the retail fans are junk that "everyone throws away," but my experience is they are solid fans that aren't going to freeze up or cause problems. While I usually swap these fans for something else, the fans work fantastic in other computers. I usually feel very good about selling someone a computer that has a retail fan, whether it is AMD or Intel.

 

[SimMike2]

I'm sorry but I had to reply to this. What does cpu throttling have to do with performance? My AthlonXP runs at 100% all day everyday with no problems. It's performance doesn't suffer because of this. All the P4 throttling does is scale back the speed of the processor if it starts to overheat. Like if your fan dies and you don't notice. If anything it hinders the P4's performance if it has to kick in the throttling.

My point was in favor of AMD over Intel. What I was trying to say is that the Intel achieves higher clock speed, but the reality is that at higher speeds the chip actually throttles back because it is getting too hot, so it is actually running slower than the rated speed. Lots of people overclock Intel CPUs and claim it is super easy and the chip barely gets warm, but they don't test the CPU to see if it is actually performing as fast as the overclock says it should. Most of the time it isn't because of the throttling back. This is what I like about AMD. It is like a thoroughbred that runs until it drops and dies.

 

[Chobits]

I'm building a pc for my friend and I ordered it all Monday afternoon and somehow today just the case came (First time that has happened. I've built 2 pcs from them and I usually get it all @ once) but I did get a 2500+ and will be sure to tell you guys how it went...

Prolly on the OC forums since this really isn't the place

 

[taurean]

People pay extra and throw away the heatsink just to get retail warranty.

Pretty funny that they throw away the HSF and void their warranty. AMD will not accept a CPU back under the warranty without that CPU's specific HSF (they are linked by serial #). It's a highly commented on problem at AMD's reseller tours.

 

[JCE86]

There's a rumor saying that OEM versions are overclocking better. Is this just a rumor?

 

[c627627]

CPU and a Made in China keychain.
One is made in billion dollar specialized fabs, the other is not.

Chips are made at the same place. They are then sold with heatsinks (retail) or by themselves (OEM).

They are the same chips.

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: JCE86
There's a rumor saying that OEM versions are overclocking better. Is this just a rumor?

Come on, someones gotta know about this.

 

[c627627]

Although there are some sites that list codes for 1700+, there hasn't been any that we know of that list codes for 2500+.
Not enough 2500+ have been sold and tested to say which week of production performs better.

OEM and retail are the same chips. It's the codes and weeks of production that set chips apart and we don't know yet which codes perform better. But then again, this is not like with Thoroughbreds where you had two or three revisions. There is only one Barton revision so they should all perform about the same.

Get the retail if you can because of the warranty. It is simply not the case that ALL retail chips perform differently from ALL OEM chips. Whoever says that, tell them "It's the codes, stupid."

 

[Yo2]

Originally posted by: zodder
I want more peoples' overclocks on this and I want it now!

here

 

[zodder]

Seems like a crap shoot with these. I'd hate to take a step backward from my 2100+@2.2G.

 

[stingygrrl]

so - will this work with a EPOX 8RDA+ ??
also, will I have to reformat my hard drive, or can I just swap a new mobo/cpu and keep using this setup? winxppro
will a 300W power supply be enough?

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: c627627
Although there are some sites that list codes for 1700+, there hasn't been any that we know of that list codes for 2500+.
Not enough 2500+ have been sold and tested to say which week of production performs better.

In a month or so there will be LOTS more data on choosing Bartons. Apart from the cpudatabase.com, is there any other sites that track how specific cpus overclock (including dates of manufacture)?

 

[zodder]

I know it will work on a RDA+. Should be a plug and play no-brainer.

 

[stingygrrl]

thanks!

 

[Arschloch]

Originally posted by: zodder
I know it will work on a RDA+. Should be a plug and play no-brainer.

Yes, but the more important question for those of us who also would need to get a new mobo:
Is there any way to avoid reinstalling Windows + all of our previously installed programs? Re-installing Windows is not a big deal. However, I always find it an enormous pain to reinstall all of the other non-Windows junk. Is it possible to, for example, export my current registry, put in the new mobo/CPU, reinstall windows (without formatting), and then import the old registry?

 

[Delbert]

oop. nevermind.

 

[c627627]

Windows will be fine and so will all your programs which will execute faster.

The only thing here is if your mobo is compatible with it and if so do you need a mobo BIOS upgrade to correctly recognize it.

Windows may need to be reinsatlled when you buy a new mobo, not when you buy a new CPU for the same mobo.

 

[Arschloch]

Originally posted by: c627627
Windows will be fine and so will all your programs which will execute faster.

The only thing here is if your mobo is compatible with it and if so do you need a mobo BIOS upgrade to correctly recognize it.

Windows may need to be reinsatlled if you buy a new mobo, not CPU.

Each time in the past that I've installed a new motherboard, I have had to reinstall Windows. Right now, I have a KG7-RAID, and that doesn't support the Barton, so I'm anticipating having to reinstall Windows when I get a new mobo.

But my question is, is there any way to reinstall Windows but still keep all of the previous programs & their registry info so I won't have to take the time to reinstall all of those?

Right now it wouldn't be much more than a minor annoyance since I'm quitting my job in about 3 weeks, so I'll have the time.

I'm also trying to determine if I should get rid of my current memory too. It's 512MB Crucial PC2700, and since my current CPU FSB is 150MHz, I haven't been able to really test it.