[Retired] The LCD Thread

[DoctorM]

No HDMI, just DVI? I would hope the NEC 2470wnx HDCP compliant anyway.

Pricegrabber lists a company called iUnitek selling the NEC for $9 less than NewEgg, but frankly I've never heard of them.

I would love for the Viewsonic to be a bit better for gaming, but for the less than the $225 dollar difference I could get a 19" CRT and plug it into my vid card's second head just for gaming. And it would do it much better.

Can anyone else convince me to go NEC?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: camswinton
I'm looking for a 24" LCD for multi-purpose use, including frequent photo editing. From reading this thread it would seem that the Dell 2407WFP-HC or ViewSonic VX2435WM would be good bets for the $. Are there other comparably priced monitors that I should be looking at? It seems that the Dell has some response time issues.. which has better color fidelity?

I just got an NEC 2470WNX (S-PVA) last night. Its comparable to both (24" *VAs), with the exceptions being the Dell is wider gamut (HC) and the ViewSonic is an S-MVA. After extensive research which included speaking to an NEC sales rep., comparing panel models and input lag tests at TFT Central, BeHardware, and PRAD, and reading every 2470 review I could find (PRAD, I4U, ConnectReviews, Trusted Reviews, MaximumPC) plus user reviews on HardOCP and NewEgg, here's what I concluded:

- Why I picked it over the ViewSonic: The NEC has a faster response time (6ms vs. 8ms) and less input lag (2 frames vs. 3 frames). According to PRAD, the 2470 has 2 frames at native and 3 at interpolated resolutions. Perception of lag is subjective, but this seems right on to me because at 1920x1200, I simply cannot notice ANY lag in games or on the desktop, even though I've been looking for it. But when I change resolutions with the monitor's internal scaler, it definitely becomes noticeable...still useable, but I can tell. Fortunately, PRAD was also right that if you use your video card's scaler instead of the NEC's, the lag does not increase when changing resolutions.

- Why I picked it over the Dell: While both are Samsung PVAs, the NEC does not use the same "special" panel as the Dell HC "high color" (LTM240CS01); this means that it does not have the wider gamut, but most importantly that it DOES NOT have the infamous inverse ghosting problem.

- Why I picked it over every other 24" VA: The NEC uses the newest revision (LTM240M2-L2) of the panel the original Dell 2407 (non-HC) used (LTM240M2). This means latest fixes with no banding, blurry text, etc., as reported on the original 2407 revisions.

Also, I made a table comparing its specs to every other 24" PVA and MVA I could find: Dell 2407, BenQ FP241W, LG L245/246, ViewSonic VX2435, Samsung 245T, HP LP2465, Planar PX2411W, and even Westinghouse L2410NM. Results:

1. NEC 2470, BenQ, LG, ViewSonic, and HP have the highest brightness (500 cd/m2).

2. They all have the same contrast ratio (1000:1), which is relatively accurate as they are all VAs.

3. The NEC 2470, Dell, BenQ, Samsung, HP, and Planar have the fastest response time (6ms G2G/16ms). The others are 8ms/16ms, except for the ViewSonic which is 8ms/20ms.

4. The NEC 2470, BenQ, and LG have the lowest reported input lag for a 24" non-TN: about 33ms=2 frames. The ViewSonic and HP av. 40-50ms, and the Samsung av. 50+ms. Numbers came from XTKnight, HardOCP, BeHardware, and PRAD.

5. They all have the same "VA" viewing angles (176/178 degrees). NEC 2470 and ViewSonic 2435 list an honest 176, the others 178; but I'd say 176 is more accurate for a VA in comparison with IPS panels, assuming IPS are the best (178).

Results: NEC 2470 has the highest brightness and contrast ratio, and fastest response time with the least input lag, in its class. I therefore concluded that the NEC 2470 is the best 24" non-TN available, except of course the NEC 2490 (H-IPS), which is the best 24" made but is out of my price range.

I'm glad you're happy with it, but there are a couple reasons I didn't add it immediately.

http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...70wnx-part6.html#Image

The brightness uniformity is pretty disappointing. Max variation of 37 nits, although not horrible, worse than other panels like the LP2465 and VX2435wm.

The response time concerns seem to be in line with those of the 2407WFP-HC: not horrible, but far from good. It's vaguely possible this is a problem with their unit but I think you're just not noticing it yet. Not that that's a problem, and you'll probably be perfectly happy with your unit anyway even if there is an isolated ghosting problem. Let us know how it goes over the next couple of days. And just because it has a slight ghosting problem wouldn't prevent me from recommending it, but I'm a little reticent. PRAD speaks better of the response time of the VX2435 and LP2465, and I'm not exactly sure why the NEC is better than these monitors? (not to mention its price carries quite a hefty premium for little if any improvement)

Actually I noticed the NEC does have only 33 ms of input lag. This is good. But I still don't have any hard data for the LP2465, only a guess based on general VA panel blunders. The VX has more input lag, apparently, than the NEC. Probably one more frame on average. It's hard to know whether this will be noticeable or not, but it seems like anything over 2 frames is noticeably annoying for several people. I'll consider recommending the LCD2470WNX if for nothing other than its lower input lag but I'd really love another review to confirm prad's findings because I've never seen a 24" VA that low before. Did you find any other input lag data for the NEC?

And thanks for contributing to the thread. It becomes more apparent everyday that I can not do this job solely on my own. I have always intended for others to weigh in although that has not happened much until very recently. I always try to take a rational, unbiased look at the whole LCD industry but that is not always possible. I am sure that there are better monitors out there for some people. I was certainly not aware of the NEC's rare low input lag. I typically eschew LCDs and flag them as imperfect but fail to look back and see if the ones I recommend were much better. It certainly looks like the NEC has its own response problems though which probably explains the lower input lag (less precise LUT). But maybe this is preferable for gaming...

Edit: sorry for the oversight/assumption, actually LP2465 didn't have any uniformity info, so I'm not sure if the NEC is worse or not. Max variation on the VX was 20 nits: http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...ic-vx2435wm-part9.html

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: DoctorM
No HDMI, just DVI? I would hope the NEC 2470wnx HDCP compliant anyway.

Pricegrabber lists a company called iUnitek selling the NEC for $9 less than NewEgg, but frankly I've never heard of them.

I would love for the Viewsonic to be a bit better for gaming, but for the less than the $225 dollar difference I could get a 19" CRT and plug it into my vid card's second head just for gaming. And it would do it much better.

Can anyone else convince me to go NEC?

Yes, HDCP complaint, Windows Vista Premium Certified, etc.

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: DoctorM
IS the NEC 2470WNX even available in the U.S.?

How are the colors? Is it a true 8-bit?

I'd like to hear some chatter on this since I haven't yet done an exchange on my panel, I can still do a return if the NEC is really that nice.

At 50% more than the Viewsonic VX24... it sure needs to be really nice.

NEC Display Solutions LCD2470WNX-BK

I've been looking hard at 24" models for 2 days and I'm ready to grab this-from all I've read it seems to be the best alternative to the "best" 24" the over $1000! NEC 2490

 

[ginfest]

oops, in the time that it took me to type the above I noticed XT's post, now I'm back to debating lol

 

[ShogoXT]

Well im very disapointed at this shadow mask nec CRT. Wish I had known the difference between shadow mask and aperture grille.

Soooo now I am looking for a GOOD 24 inch widescreen LCD. I have 2 choices :

Wait for the Dell 2408WFP,

or

Get the Gateway FPD2485W for $450 from CompUSA on their closing sale today.

I like the HDMI and DisplayPort on the 2408WFP, but I dont really need a media card reader. Also the 2408WFP is $700 dollars (or will be?).

What do you all think of the gateway. At its price, should I get it?

Thanks in advance for all your help and advice!

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Did you find any other input lag data for the NEC?

And thanks for contributing to the thread. It becomes more apparent everyday that I can not do this job solely on my own. I have always intended for others to weigh in although that has not happened much until very recently. I always try to take a rational, unbiased look at the whole LCD industry but that is not always possible. I am sure that there are better monitors out there for some people. I was certainly not aware of the NEC's rare low input lag. I typically eschew LCDs and flag them as imperfect but fail to look back and see if the ones I recommend were much better. It certainly looks like the NEC has its own response problems though which probably explains the lower input lag (less precise LUT). But maybe this is preferable for gaming...

PRAD says the 2470 has a 10-bit LUT, but you clearly know more than me about that stuff. On input lag for the 2470, PRAD found 33ms=2 frames in native res., 50ms=3 frames in interpolated res. if using monitor scaler, while Manny Calavera at HardOCP and WSGF reported only 23.8ms average in native res. My response time figures (2470=6ms G2G) for all 24"s came straight from the manufacturers, for whatever thats worth.

Here are the reviews I found for the 2470:
- PRAD: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...-lcd2470wnx.html#Scope
- Trusted Reviews: http://www.trustedreviews.com/...ultiSync-LCD2470WNX/p1
- I4U: http://www.i4u.com/full-review-215.html
- Connect Reviews: http://www.i4u.com/full-review-215.html
- Maximum PC: http://www.maximumpc.com/artic...d_multisync_lcd2470wnx

- Thread at HardOCP: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1170172
- Thread at WSGF: http://www.widescreengamingfor.../viewtopic.php?t=10084
- NewEgg.com User Reviews for the 2470WNX (silver) and 2470WNX-BK (black).

And hey, I was just trying to find a good 24" for myself, and your thread and advice helped tremendously. But you're making recommendations for all screen sizes across multiple categories (gaming, office, mulitmedia, etc.) with all pertinent criteria you can find, and answering questions left-and-right to help dozens of people find the LCD that's right for them, and then answering even more questions if they have problems with the models you recommended! So my contribution is miniscule at best, and thanks again for one of the best sources of LCD info on the 'net.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

I won't post my entire table, but here are most of the stats for every 24" non-TN I could find. Response times are given as Xms/Yms, with X=gray-to-gray. Prices are from NewEgg, and all other numbers came straight from the manufacturers, except for input lag (nobody's volunteering that one ), which came from PRAD (see individual monitor reviews) and:

- TFT Central: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_2407wfp-hc.htm

- BeHardware: http://www.behardware.com/arti...e-dell-2407wfp-hc.html


24" non-TN LCDs

Model (Price): Panel type, Brightness, Contrast Ratio, Viewing Angles, Response Time, Input Lag

1. NEC MultiSync LCD2490WUXi ($1139): H-IPS, DVI-D w/HDCP, 400 cd/m2, 800:1, 178o, 8ms/16ms; lag=33ms (2 Frames).

2. NEC MultiSync LCD2470WNX ($719): S-PVA, DVI-D w/HDCP, 500 cd/m2, 1000:1, 176o, 6ms/16ms; lag=23.5 min-33ms av (1.5-2 Frames).

3. Dell 2407 WFP-HC ($699): S-PVA, DVI-D w/HDCP, 400 cd/m2, 1000:1, 178o, 6ms/16ms; lag=34.3ms or 30 min-34 av-50ms max (2-3 Frames).

4. BenQ FP241W ($639): P-MVA, DVI/HDMI w/HDCP, 500 cd/m2, 1000:1, 178o, 6ms/16ms; lag=33.7ms or 24 min-33 av-52ms max (1.5-3 Frames).

5. LG L245WP/L246WP ($629/649): P-MVA, HDMI w/HDCP, 500 cd/m2, 1000:1, 178o, 8ms/16ms; lag=23-33ms (1.5-2 Frames)

6. ViewSonic VX2435WM ($659-100 R=559): S-MVA, HDMI w/HDCP, 500 cd/m2, 1000:1, 176o, 8ms/20ms; lag=36.3ms or 41 min-51 av-59 max (2-3+ Frames)

7. Samsung 245T ($649): S-PVA, DVI-D w/HDCP, 300 cd/m2, 1000:1, 178o, 6ms/16ms; lag=58.8ms or 42 min-58 av-68 max (2.5-4 Frames)

8. HP LP2465 ($604): S-PVA, DVI-I, 500 cd/m2, 1000:1, 178o, 6ms/13ms; lag=50ms (3 Frames)

9. Planar PX2411W ($589): S-PVA, DVI, 450 cd/m2, 1000:1, 178o, 6ms/16ms; lag=?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Yes, it is an 8-bit S-PVA vs. your ViewSonic's 8-bit S-MVA. I think that means they're similar in every way, but you'd have to ask XT what the big differences between PVA and MVA are.

Little to no difference besides small technicalities. PVA is "protrusion-less" (I don't even know what that means) and supposedly has a slightly better black level.

As for price; IMO, it was worth every penny over the other 24s. When someone at HardOCP asked if the 2470 used "A-grade panels", Travbomb (who used to work at NEC) answered: "Thats why it costs more. Better panel, better components, better plastics, NEC built ASIC's." I don't know whether that's true or not, but maybe XT does?

In other words it costs more because it's NEC but that doesn't mean much. I believe the 2490's price is warranted but the 2470 could stand to be cheaper.

The performance of the 2470 is not significantly better than, if even as good as, any other 24" S-PVA on the market that is $200 less.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ShogoXT
Well im very disapointed at this shadow mask nec CRT. Wish I had known the difference between shadow mask and aperture grille.

Soooo now I am looking for a GOOD 24 inch widescreen LCD. I have 2 choices :

Wait for the Dell 2408WFP,

or

Get the Gateway FPD2485W for $450 from CompUSA on their closing sale today.

I like the HDMI and DisplayPort on the 2408WFP, but I dont really need a media card reader. Also the 2408WFP is $700 dollars (or will be?).

What do you all think of the gateway. At its price, should I get it?

Thanks in advance for all your help and advice!

The Gateway is not such a bad idea for its price. That's the S-PVA FPD2485W and not the FHD2400?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: xtknight
...the 2470 could stand to be cheaper.

The performance of the 2470 is not significantly better than, if even as good as, any other 24" S-PVA on the market that is $200 less.

I agree it should be cheaper, but IMO thats true of every single non-TN LCD NEC makes, from the 2690 ($400-500 more than the Planar 26") and 20WMGX2 (way too much for a 20") to the 2170 ($100 more than equivalent ViewSonic VP2130b).

As for it being $200 better than the other non-TNs 24s, I'd have to agree with that too, at least theoretically. And by theoretically, I mean I agree on paper, but I would've been over $200 worth of pissed off had I ordered another model and got inverse ghosting (Dell), ridiculous input lag (Samsung), dead/stuck pixels, backlight problems, etc. I also wouldn't even count the Planar or Westinghouse 24s in that statement at ANY price, because I couldn't find any reviews on them, so IMO they're not worth the risk even at $200 less.

So yes, it cost too much, but I wanted to know exactly what I was getting, and thats what I got: an NEC quality 24" with the best stats (brightness, contrast ratio, response time, input lag) in its class (24" non-TN/non-IPS). There is only ONE other 24" VA that matches it when judged by the same stats, and that is the BenQ FP241W, which last I checked was about $75 cheaper...so when you throw price into the equation, the BenQ is the winner.

 

[ShogoXT]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ShogoXT
Well im very disapointed at this shadow mask nec CRT. Wish I had known the difference between shadow mask and aperture grille.

Soooo now I am looking for a GOOD 24 inch widescreen LCD. I have 2 choices :

Wait for the Dell 2408WFP,

or

Get the Gateway FPD2485W for $450 from CompUSA on their closing sale today.

I like the HDMI and DisplayPort on the 2408WFP, but I dont really need a media card reader. Also the 2408WFP is $700 dollars (or will be?).

What do you all think of the gateway. At its price, should I get it?

Thanks in advance for all your help and advice!

The Gateway is not such a bad idea for its price. That's the S-PVA FPD2485W and not the FHD2400?

Yea im pretty sure thats the one. CompUSA is being liquidated and they have only like 2 left where I was.

So that monitor was a pretty good implement of it? Considering the price I should just go with it over the $700 Dell thats coming out?

 

[redlinez33]

Well I decided, for the heck of it, to buy the gateway FHD2400 and test it side by side to the samsung 245BW i already have. Both are currently plugged in and I have been comparing them side by side, so far I havent been able to find anything I like better about the samsung over the gateway.... Some things are even (backlight bleeding) others are so much better on gateway (contrast or whatever, compared to gateway, the samsung colors looked washed out, no matter what I do).. The black detail on the samsung sucks compared to the gateway, it has a blue tint (That I cant seem to get rid of, maybe with a calibration tool you could), the gateway right out of the box (well after brightness and contrast changes) has much better looking black detail

Now it makes me wonder how the HP w2408H compares to the Gateway, HMMMMMMMMMM

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ShogoXT

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ShogoXT
Well im very disapointed at this shadow mask nec CRT. Wish I had known the difference between shadow mask and aperture grille.

Soooo now I am looking for a GOOD 24 inch widescreen LCD. I have 2 choices :

Wait for the Dell 2408WFP,

or

Get the Gateway FPD2485W for $450 from CompUSA on their closing sale today.

I like the HDMI and DisplayPort on the 2408WFP, but I dont really need a media card reader. Also the 2408WFP is $700 dollars (or will be?).

What do you all think of the gateway. At its price, should I get it?

Thanks in advance for all your help and advice!

The Gateway is not such a bad idea for its price. That's the S-PVA FPD2485W and not the FHD2400?

Yea im pretty sure thats the one. CompUSA is being liquidated and they have only like 2 left where I was.

So that monitor was a pretty good implement of it? Considering the price I should just go with it over the $700 Dell thats coming out?

The FPD2485W over the 2408? Yes considering the price.

 

[redlinez33]

Ohh ya, I had a question. The UltraResponse feature of the gateway lowers response time (from 5ms to 3ms) but is there any cons to it? I dont understand why you would want to disable it (why is there this feature)?

Thanks for any info

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I agree it should be cheaper, but IMO thats true of every single non-TN LCD NEC makes, from the 2690 ($400-500 more than the Planar 26") and 20WMGX2 (way too much for a 20") to the 2170 ($100 more than equivalent ViewSonic VP2130b).

As for it being $200 better than the other non-TNs 24s, I'd have to agree with that too, at least theoretically. And by theoretically, I mean I agree on paper, but I would've been over $200 worth of pissed off had I ordered another model and got inverse ghosting (Dell), ridiculous input lag (Samsung), dead/stuck pixels, backlight problems, etc. I also wouldn't even count the Planar or Westinghouse 24s in that statement at ANY price, because I couldn't find any reviews on them, so IMO they're not worth the risk even at $200 less.

So yes, it cost too much, but I wanted to know exactly what I was getting, and thats what I got: an NEC quality 24" with the best stats (brightness, contrast ratio, response time, input lag) in its class (24" non-TN/non-IPS). There is only ONE other 24" VA that matches it when judged by the same stats, and that is the BenQ FP241W, which last I checked was about $75 cheaper...so when you throw price into the equation, the BenQ is the winner.

The LP2465 would match or exceed the LCD2470WNX if it had an input lag of 2 frames although I have no idea what input lag it actually has. Same panel, though, as far as I can tell. Where did you find that the LP2465 had 3 frames of lag? I didn't see it in the PRAD review or either other link but maybe I missed it.

( by the way, Westinghouse L2410NM is actually a TN (viewing angle was falsely represented by manufacturer). So you should probably remove it from the "non TN" list )

 

[cboath]

Watched a movie on my vx2435 tonight. Never thought i'd watch a movie on my computer, but watched on in HD and it was !@#$%&$^*@#$^!@#$!#%$^* ing GORGEOUS!

Thanks for to all who help in the monitor selection process...DrM, Xt....of course, this is going to make me spend a lot more money shortly. With how awesome it looked in HD, i'll now have to bite the bullet and get an HD TV and new entertainment center...

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I agree it should be cheaper, but IMO thats true of every single non-TN LCD NEC makes, from the 2690 ($400-500 more than the Planar 26") and 20WMGX2 (way too much for a 20") to the 2170 ($100 more than equivalent ViewSonic VP2130b).

As for it being $200 better than the other non-TNs 24s, I'd have to agree with that too, at least theoretically. And by theoretically, I mean I agree on paper, but I would've been over $200 worth of pissed off had I ordered another model and got inverse ghosting (Dell), ridiculous input lag (Samsung), dead/stuck pixels, backlight problems, etc. I also wouldn't even count the Planar or Westinghouse 24s in that statement at ANY price, because I couldn't find any reviews on them, so IMO they're not worth the risk even at $200 less.

So yes, it cost too much, but I wanted to know exactly what I was getting, and thats what I got: an NEC quality 24" with the best stats (brightness, contrast ratio, response time, input lag) in its class (24" non-TN/non-IPS). There is only ONE other 24" VA that matches it when judged by the same stats, and that is the BenQ FP241W, which last I checked was about $75 cheaper...so when you throw price into the equation, the BenQ is the winner.

The LP2465 would match or exceed the LCD2470WNX if it had an input lag of 2 frames although I have no idea what input lag it actually has. Same panel, though, as far as I can tell. Where did you find that the LP2465 had 3 frames of lag? I didn't see it in the PRAD review or either other link but maybe I missed it.

( by the way, Westinghouse L2410NM is actually a TN (viewing angle was falsely represented by manufacturer). So you should probably remove it from the "non TN" list )

TFT Central says the Westy is an MVA...but the price is suspiciously low. Removed.

On the HP, you're probably right based on price and the favorable PRAD review. But I found some threads like these (there are more if you want to Google it):

http://forums12.itrc.hp.com/se...53475&threadId=1073657

http://www.prad.de/board/thread.php?postid=264468

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1233290

http://lcd24.asp2.cz/Monitor/H...rd/LP2465/Default.aspx

On the upside, I would guess that since NEC and Dell switched to the newer panel revision, HP probably did too, right? If so, input lag on new HPs should be around 33ms rather than the 40-50ms reported in above threads...

 

[Trean]

I don't know how prevalent a factor it should be, but you might wish to note whether the monitors have HDCP compliant inputs. If the NEC and the HP were equal in all instances, the fact the NEC has an HDCP compliant input makes it a tad bit better in my mind at least.

 

[Gunlance]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Sorry I didn't notice your post at first. Sometimes I answer out of order and forget to look back.

No problem, I just did not know how things ran here. Hell I would donate to the cause in this thread.

Originally posted by: xtknight
Mind linking this image of Saturn just so I can see what you mean?

Gladly; Saturn

Maybe these digital pictures might help:

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Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Gunlance
I get the same performance with this monitor as I do out of the Apple Cinema Displays on campus.

Well I'm not sure that this is true but it all depends on how happy you are with your monitor.

What I meant to say here is that any kind of color editing, or anything if I go look at it on the Cinema Display it does look better, better color etc. But it?s not like the color on my monitor really screws up the image or anything because I am seeing the wrong colors on my monitor at home. Not sure how to put it!

Originally posted by: xtknight
Belineas are not sold in the US.

Fortunately there might be a better 22" choice for you. In particular, you should look at the ViewSonic VX2255wmb. I really can't guarantee that it's going to have a better black level or anything, though. It's possible that a glossy monitor like an HP w2207 would be better for you. Glossy panels make black a lot darker but that doesn't mean they have better color accuracy.

The Belinea?s are not? ARGH! Wonder if I could ship a certain model over. Anything crazy un-compatible like the power chord or anything? Or are their models not any better than what is being suggested.

The HP w2207?s is starting to sound like a winner given my gripes with the webcam in the Viewsonic. Seems like two would be awesome. Get another one after awhile for portrait.

The w2207 does seem to fit all my needs, and the extra features I see myself using to at the same time. All the reviews say movie watching is good, gaming is great response time comparable to that one samsung model....the gloss though...seems like this monitor needs a certain "environment" all the time to perform well. Can anyone comment on how annoying this is with reflections.? If I have a lamp on behind me about 7ft away on another desk, or the sun in the window to the left makes the panel reflect a lot that would suck.

However are there any Samsung or LG models currently that you could suggest (that would compare to the w2207)? They seem cheaper, and they don't have the gloss coating.


EDIT:

I think w2207 it is, I will see how the coating works out, I could always return. Currently at staples I can get one for $280. Seems good, plus I can pick it up at the store an easy 15min trip down the hill to town.

That is of course. LG or Samsung have nothing to compare, maybe be my backup if I hate the coating on the 2207. IS $280 a good deal?

Before I forget what do you guys think of:

- Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP
- Gateway FPD2275W

Another EDIT:

The 215TW is amazing. But is it $430 amazing? Does it blow everything out of the water that I am looking at?

 

[imported_jns]

'xknight'
(I looked for the Huey Pro colorimeter you suggested... and yes it seems to be a great one)

- Back to my NEC LCD2090UXi... (and the problems I never seem to get rid of)
Flickering, I've now tried with two different graphic-cards and both DVI and VGA and I've tried 60-100Hz but it's still flickering...
(it's most visible against a dark grey background - like the background in photoshop, where it interrupts me most)

do you know any other way to fix it?
is this a common problem?
can it be solved by a Huey Pro?
my computer isn't the best and quite old, can that be the problem?


sorry if I ask too much, but since I spent the extra money on this pro-monitor I didn't think I would run into problems like these...
thanks.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
Ohh ya, I had a question. The UltraResponse feature of the gateway lowers response time (from 5ms to 3ms) but is there any cons to it? I dont understand why you would want to disable it (why is there this feature)?

Thanks for any info

UltraResponse is overdrive. When enabled it will reduce ghosting and trails.

The only downside is possible artifacts from a poor overdrive algorithm. It is not overly common but certainly not rare. Just enable it and see if you like it.

 

[PhotoShooter]

I'm currently in the market for a new 24" LCD to replace my aging ViewSonic PS790. I intend to use this mostly for Photo editing and web browsing and Office related work. I've been considering the Dell 2407WFP-HC and just saw that it's price is reduced $100 down to $599. Does this help to make this a possible choice or should I consider waiting for the 2408WFP? I'm not sure that I really need/want the wider gamut that the 'HC' feature provides. I tend to edit photos for both web use and occasionally printed photo work. This price range is in my sweet spot, 500 - 750. Any suggestions would be great.

 

[AtmosFear]

Originally posted by: PhotoShooter
I'm currently in the market for a new 24" LCD to replace my aging ViewSonic PS790. I intend to use this mostly for Photo editing and web browsing and Office related work. I've been considering the Dell 2407WFP-HC and just saw that it's price is reduced $100 down to $599. Does this help to make this a possible choice or should I consider waiting for the 2408WFP? I'm not sure that I really need/want the wider gamut that the 'HC' feature provides. I tend to edit photos for both web use and occasionally printed photo work. This price range is in my sweet spot, 500 - 750. Any suggestions would be great.

just be aware that there's a nasty ghosting problem with this monitor, which has caused many buyers to return it for a refund.

See here for more info: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...eadid=2094805#27354425


There's a new model, 2408WFP coming out very soon, personally I'm going to wait for it and see if it fixes the ghosting problem.

Here's some details about the 2408WFP:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ayport-and-everything/

http://support.dell.com/suppor...s/2408WFP/en/index.htm

So far I can't find any reviews of the 2408WFP, so I don't know anything about it. Keeping my fingers crossed!

 

[PhotoShooter]

Originally posted by: AtmosFear

Originally posted by: PhotoShooter
I'm currently in the market for a new 24" LCD to replace my aging ViewSonic PS790. I intend to use this mostly for Photo editing and web browsing and Office related work. I've been considering the Dell 2407WFP-HC and just saw that it's price is reduced $100 down to $599. Does this help to make this a possible choice or should I consider waiting for the 2408WFP? I'm not sure that I really need/want the wider gamut that the 'HC' feature provides. I tend to edit photos for both web use and occasionally printed photo work. This price range is in my sweet spot, 500 - 750. Any suggestions would be great.

just be aware that there's a nasty ghosting problem with this monitor, which has caused many buyers to return it for a refund.

See here for more info: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...eadid=2094805#27354425


There's a new model, 2408WFP coming out very soon, personally I'm going to wait for it and see if it fixes the ghosting problem.

Here's some details about the 2408WFP:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ayport-and-everything/

http://support.dell.com/suppor...s/2408WFP/en/index.htm

So far I can't find any reviews of the 2408WFP, so I don't know anything about it. Keeping my fingers crossed!

It looks to me like the 2408WFP is a remake of the obsolete 2407WFP and that they stayed away from the '-HC' aspect the the 2407WFP-HC panel offered. I don't know if there'll also be a 2408WFP-HC version. I guess that a review would be great to see how this new panel stacks up against the two prior versions of the 2407WFP model year. I'm not at all into gaming except I'll fly around in FSX. I'm just not sure how long the $100 price break on the 2407WFP-HC will last. Probably until all are gone.