[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: jhcodafa
I just called NEC and they said the problem I'm experiencing is covered by warrentee. Hopefully Newegg agrees and will just send me a new one. Because i have a feeling nec will take a lot longer then newegg

I replied to your PM. If NEC says its covered, then NewEgg won't complain. In fact, if you're willing to let them temporarily charge the second one to your credit card, they'll ship it immediately and refund the charge as soon as they receive your old one. That way, you don't have to ship the old one until you get the replacement, so you're not without a monitor for several days.

Sometimes they'll cross-ship for free if you ask, but if not just do the above. Good luck!

 

[UTFan81]

Originally posted by: zod96
So a 19 inch at 1440x900 would be better for the eyes instead of 22 inch 1680x1050 got it thanks...

yeah but it's not much dif like with a 20 inch ws and you are missing out on a lot of extra space by getting the 19.

 

[UTFan81]

Originally posted by: zod96
Is back light bleeding ok, if its a very small line on the bottom of the screen on an all black screen? What exactly is input lag? I read somewhere that the 2232 samsung has that, but I just played BF2 and Crysis and it was butter smooth and awesome, what should I be looking for?

its the same kind of lag you feel if you play an online shooter and your ping is too high. I have the 2232bw now and I don't notice it either really.

 

[BDawg]

I'm sure this has been covered in the thread, but 3000 posts is kinda hard to sort through.

Is there a 22" model that has HDMI and a scaler so it will support 720p and 1080i/p images?

I'm looking for something to hook up to my computer, but also be able to use with my PS3 and 360.

The Gateway HD2200 looked good, but reviews said it has horrible color.

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22
nice posts xtknight. i have a question on what monitor i should buy.

currently i have a Samsung 906BW (19" wide) and it just isn't big enough. i'm looking to get something in the range of 24" to 30", and i'll be using this monitor for gaming and watching movies. i noticed there was no "hardcore gamer and movie watcher" category..so i was wondering what you would recommend.

i really dislike backlight bleeding, because it really ruins the movie-watching experience for me. i also dislike how the image loses contrast if i move my head a little to the left or right. so far it seems the 3007WFP-HC is my best option. however, i am a bit concerned that you can only adjust the brightness on the monitor. is this a problem though? i can use an external program (ie powerstrip) to adjust the RGB, temperature, gamma, brightness and contrast. i am content with only a DVI-D input..

Using PowerStrip adjusts your video card and limits your bit depth as a result because it's not adjusting the monitor. It's a poor idea to use, in general.

So I would just get rid of that and use brightness control on the Dell. You shouldn't need much else; the default color quality on S-IPS panels is much better. Further improvement will only come from a colorimeter, which can still be used with the Dell (calibrate for native and it'll adjust your video card carefully).

i was also looking at the NEC WUXi's but they are a bit pricey and unfortunately have a higher response time + lag.

any reason why the Dell 3008WFP isn't on your lists?

Edit: sorry this post seems real jumbled, because I wrote it originally and got almost everything wrong about the 305T/decided to re-write it.

The 3008WFP isn't on there yet because I haven't added it yet.

I read a lot on it and it looks great though. It will be added soon just as soon as I make sure of a few things. That's what I was going to suggest, anyway, but not sure if there's $600+ worth of improvement over 3007WFP-HC if you need a DVI-D input only.

(I haven't read everything on it, like this 6/10: http://www.extremetech.com/art...0,1697,2244009,00.asp)

I think VA panels make better TVs because of their higher dynamic range (low black, bright white). But this lopsided gradient (high dynamic range) on VA panels makes them a worse choice for more subtle things like photo editing.

The H-IPS NEC LCDs are really good for movies though because of the anti-violet tint polarizer on them, but the regular S-IPS panels aren't blessed with this.

I really should mention, if you are a hardcore gamer (which I didn't pick up at first), then the Dell might be a better option. Although, the Samsung 305T (S-PVA)'s image delay as reported by DigitalVersus certainly looks acceptable too. The Dell might have about 5 ms less of lag at best.

I don't even think the 305T has any more color options or any OSD? So I'd really have to be high to recommend you a more expensive S-PVA with no more features than an S-IPS screen.

The 3007WFP-HC will have more viewing angle stability and color accuracy than the 305T. However, for games/movies, the 305T's better contrast (deeper black) might be beneficial but it probably isn't that much higher than the S-IPS. Apparently uniformity on the S-IPS panel might even be better (check out the ExtremeTech review above vs. Gateway S-PVA).

It's really hard to know what's better for you. Maybe you will end up going with the cheaper Dell anyway, which BTW I think is certainly a better choice given the price. The X-Bit Labs review of the 305T is outdated (they had a std gamut unit) and I don't see many other pro reviews of the 305T so there's not much to go off of.

I don't recommend the Gateway XHD3000 because of quality control issues, and it's not worth the money for most people. I'm starting to think the same with the 3008WFP, but I'll see.

TY for the reply. i'm lucky my friend (hi jar) linked me to your thread a few days ago. before then i just looked at newegg and amazon reviews LOL

 

[zod96]

I am totally torn between the 22 inch samsung and the 19 inch. I just don't know which to keep :-( I like the fact the 19 inch can do 75hz where the 22 inch cannot.

 

[redlinez33]

Why do you want 75hz again? all LCD monitors (unless they are VERY expensive) are internally 60hz, no matter what windows says... LCD monitors dont flicker so that cant be the reason.

The only advantage (and correct me if i am wrong) is technically a monitor that can really do higher refresh rates would do better in games. Update quicker.

But other than that I dont get your need for 75?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: xtknight
...I do think the PX2611W is a better choice than the L245WP or 2470WNX...

Well we're going to find out, because I'm about to order one.

My wife's old CRT just died and she wants the 2470WNX, so I figure I should finally try an IPS and see for myself what the differences are (I've owned 3 *VAs but never an IPS). Hope I get one without the backlight/uniformity issues...

Wish me luck!

 

[redlinez33]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: xtknight
...I do think the PX2611W is a better choice than the L245WP or 2470WNX...

Well we're going to find out, because I'm about to order one.

My wife's old CRT just died and she wants the 2470WNX, so I figure I should finally try an IPS and see for myself what the differences are (I've owned 3 *VAs but never an IPS). Hope I get one without the backlight/uniformity issues...

Wish me luck!

looking forward to your opinion..... Was very interested in this monitor but slightly put off by the price + the semi average reviews...........

Like to see how it compared to the NEC.

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: xtknight

For these specific LCDs, I have no idea. The information isn't readily available.

All right, if it's of any interest:

I asked a friend of mine with an LP2065 to try it, and it does indeed sync at 72Hz over DVI. Unfortunately, it is limited to running at 60 internally. My friend said the stuttering wasn't clearly noticeable until he ran it at 1280x960 at 85Hz, but then it was definitely skipping frames and the game he was testing it on looked very jerky. He only tested DVI, but I'd be surprised if it was any different over analog. This was with a revision AMM000 (A-MVA) LP2065.

I'm definitely leaning towards buying the Dell in light of this. HP is selling the LP2065 for $430 with a $50 MIR directly on their small business site, but it's the "A8" model and there seems to very little information on it. Looks to be possible to get an S-IPS A8, but the fact that it's being sold for roughly $100 cheaper than the A4 with no clear explanation given as to why makes me very nervous. I also doubt that HP's return policy is as liberal as Dell's if I lose the lottery.

I think I'll try Dell's live chat as you suggested and see if I can get a straight answer out of them on their return policy. I'm hoping that if I need to get a replacement 2007WFP for whatever reason, I can just return it for a full refund and order it again to avoid getting a refurb.

 

[Nafets]

Originally posted 1/18/08

Here's my $0.02 on the LP2065 lottery.

I purchased a new HP LP2065 (EF227A8#ABA) from Onsale.com on 1/12/08, and just received it yesterday afternoon, 1/17/08. It's currently $379.00 + shipping. If you don't mind rebates, you can get free ground shipping from Onsale.com (maximum of $40.00) and $50.00 back from HP, bringing the price down to $329.00 shipped. I also did a Pricegrabber.com review for an extra $5.00 off.

To my surprise I received the S-IPS model:

From the stickers on the outside of the box;
REV. GSM002
MFG DATE CODE: JUNE 2007

From the monitor's service menu;
Firmware Revision: Rev 115
LCD Part Number: LPL LM201U05-SLA1

Other than 1 hard to notice stuck pixel on the lower left side of the screen, the monitor is absolutely flawless. I couldn't be more happy. I upgraded from a 5-year old Dell 1800FP IPS monitor and this new HP was worth every penny...

 

[albovin]

The 3008WFP isn't on there yet because I haven't added it yet

To those unterested in the Dell 3008.

There is a fresh and quite substantial http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...8wfp.html#Introduction">review on prad.de</a> now.

Usually prad.de is a very professional and reliable resourse.

This test result for the Dell 3008 is "Very Good". OK, I am glad.
But "Very Good" is not enough: the Dell 3008 is declared "very close to being the perfect all-round multimedia monitor"!
In the top news section it is called even better: null"a new all-round reference model"
Stop!

I know the crown of "a reference all-round multimedia monitor" is very heavy.
So far I have known only two of them - 2490/2690.

So I took a closer look at the pictures provided in the Video and DVD area of the test.

In a few words what I found in their pictures: 1080p is overscanned and cut off from both sides.
Note: they provided 1080p image in a sort of Aspect mode (full screen width, not 1:1 mode).
Even if 1:1 image is not provided yet, it's already enough to say: 3008 failed.

Here is a link to my dispute with them. Their only comment was like... camera was at an angle... panel tilted...

Can a panel tilt cut image off??:Q
It looks like their Prestige does not allow them to step down to an ordinary reader's comment.

Be a judge: LINK

Additional comment.
Unfortunately I do not have this monitor right now to test it.
Otherwise I would report ali the detailes without any doubts.
Anyway ends do not meet in prad.de review.

Look, they did tested the previous model (2707 - see it's test on prad.de) more thoroughly.

Now they awarded 3008 for about the same what they disqualified 2707 for... without analog inputs test pictures, just saying they were OK too..

I hope this monitor will find more realistic nomination on AnandTech.

 

[Gordon Airporte]

For those of you concerned about text size and PPI/pitch, there's a nice example graphic here from behardware that shows you how the various monitor formats compare.
http://www.behardware.com/medi...s/00/19/IMG0019377.gif

 

[PascalT]

Has anyone been able to get a NEC 2690 SpectraView AT ALL in Canada? They are sold out EVERYWHERE. Same goes for the non SV version as well.

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: Nafets
Originally posted 1/18/08

Here's my $0.02 on the LP2065 lottery.

...

I did see your post, but Onsale.com (and Macmall, which appear to be the same site -- very shady) have terrible reviews at ResellerRatings.com. Doesn't look like they'd allow you to return it if you lose the lottery, end up with dead pixels, or if you simply don't like it.

 

[UTFan81]

Originally posted by: zod96
I am totally torn between the 22 inch samsung and the 19 inch. I just don't know which to keep :-( I like the fact the 19 inch can do 75hz where the 22 inch cannot.

If you get the 19 even if you are happy with it to begin with in a few months I gaurantee you'll regret it. 22 is becoming the new standard over 19 very quickly now. As I said before there honestly isn't much dif in the text size between them but with the 19 you'll be missing out on the great number of benefits of having the 22. if worst comes to worst you can always increase the font dpi using windows with the 22, you will never be able to make the 19 inch any larger in size.

 

[EGGO]

Just wanted to say thanks for that OP. I'm looking for a cheap monitor with great color reproduction and you helped me out to the very purchase.

The only question I have is how are you able to tell what panel-type you have when it comes to those that are panel lotteries?

 

[BDawg]

Will anything with an HDMI port scale 720p and 1080 images?

 

[zod96]

Can lcd's really do 75hz? Or is it only in certain things. I read somewhere that lcd's are limited to 60hz yet mine is doing 75hz right now. Am I missing something? And I do notice a difference in 60hz vs 75hz, at 60hz the text is a tad blurry at 75hz its perfect...

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: zod96
Can lcd's really do 75hz? Or is it only in certain things.

Not many above 19" can, to my knowledge. Most larger displays will just skip frames if set above 60Hz, sadly.

Originally posted by: zod96
I read somewhere that lcd's are limited to 60hz yet mine is doing 75hz right now. Am I missing something? And I do notice a difference in 60hz vs 75hz, at 60hz the text is a tad blurry at 75hz its perfect...

xtknight would be better qualified to answer that than myself, but that seems quite strange to me. An LCD should really look its best at 60Hz, especially if it's connected over analog. Over DVI there may not be too much of a drop (if any) in visual quality at higher refresh rates, but I certainly wouldn't think that there would be an improvement either.

 

[zod96]

I went with the samsung 2232GW. The one I got is great no dead or stuck pixels but it does have backlight bleeding on the bottom and top from left to right. Its only shown on a black screen of course. Is their a way to get rid of some of it, by increasing the contrast or turning down the brightness?

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: xtknight
...I do think the PX2611W is a better choice than the L245WP or 2470WNX...

Well we're going to find out, because I'm about to order one.

My wife's old CRT just died and she wants the 2470WNX, so I figure I should finally try an IPS and see for myself what the differences are (I've owned 3 *VAs but never an IPS). Hope I get one without the backlight/uniformity issues...

Wish me luck!

Terrific. Looking forward to your feedback on the PX2611W. I've decided I can't spend $900 this month anyway so I'm on hold.

And the Dell 2408 should be out soon too.

Lastly, anyone run across the Lenovo L220x yet?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: zod96
Can lcd's really do 75hz? Or is it only in certain things. I read somewhere that lcd's are limited to 60hz yet mine is doing 75hz right now. Am I missing something? And I do notice a difference in 60hz vs 75hz, at 60hz the text is a tad blurry at 75hz its perfect...

Some can do 75 Hz at certain resolutions, but every non-TN I've ever heard of skips every fifth frame when playing games at 75 Hz. So while you might get a potentially better frame rate with VSync on, you're going to drop frames right and left, meaning its much better to just stick with 60 Hz.

For more information, see here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ar.../overdrive_at_75hz.htm

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: brencat
Terrific. Looking forward to your feedback on the PX2611W. I've decided I can't spend $900 this month anyway so I'm on hold.

The Planar PX2611W is on its way and should be here tomorrow. I've already decided that for the price, I won't accept anything less than perfection; so if I see a single dead pixel or backlight bleeding, its going back, and I will keep returning them until I get a good one. I chose CDW specifically for this reason, even though it cost more than a couple other places.

I'll be back with a comparison to the 2470WNX...

 

[muppet22]

so i've had a change of heart with the dell 3007wfp-hc..although i'm sure it is nice and all, after looking for a new video card i've come to the conlusion that it's native resolution is just to high to get good fps while gaming.

so i've turned to the 24"-27" size category. i think 1900x1200 will be just fine. the problem is there weren't many IPS panels in this range..the planar 25.5" seems to be the best option, although ToastyX's review over on HardForum was kind of scary.

what i'm most interested is no backlight bleeding, deep blacks with the lights off (i.e. nice for movies), low response times (for fps games), and lastly some sort of viewing angles (although i could sacrifice this)...so far i think my best options are: Planar PX2611W, Samsung 275T, Samsung 245BW, but i haven't really looked into it very thoroughly yet. i'm not really interested in perfect colors, so i'm not sure if the NEC LCD2X90WUXi's or planar are for me.

what do you guys think?