Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: airjrdn
I just brought home a Samsung 2232BW and unfortunately, games (UT3/Crysis) were still blurry. I returned it to BB (no restocking fee on monitors) and went to CC and picked up a 2253BW. Gaming/blurryness they seem the same to me.
I'm contemplating trying the 2232GW, but I'm sure it'll be blurry too.
I just wanted to give a heads up to any gamers looking to try these monitors, because CC does charge the 15% restocking fee on monitors. They consider going from the 2253BW to the 2232GW an upgrade (because it's more expensive) and will waive the fee, but if you wanted to go back to the 2253BW, you'd have to pay it on the more expensive monitor.
Blurry? I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by that. Blurry when still or blur increasing with motion? Did you not see this blurriness on another LCD?
Originally posted by: j0j081
Originally posted by: airjrdn
I just brought home a Samsung 2232BW and unfortunately, games (UT3/Crysis) were still blurry. I returned it to BB (no restocking fee on monitors) and went to CC and picked up a 2253BW. Gaming/blurryness they seem the same to me.
I'm contemplating trying the 2232GW, but I'm sure it'll be blurry too.
I just wanted to give a heads up to any gamers looking to try these monitors, because CC does charge the 15% restocking fee on monitors. They consider going from the 2253BW to the 2232GW an upgrade (because it's more expensive) and will waive the fee, but if you wanted to go back to the 2253BW, you'd have to pay it on the more expensive monitor.
where you playing at the lcds native resolution? maybe you mean ghosting but neither of those monitors should have that either. I used to have the 2232BW so I would know.
Originally posted by: Tasiin
I don't think I'm really changing my opinion about it. Now that the monitor's been on for a while I can see it more clearly again, but it still doesn't seem as bad as before. Maybe I'm just getting used to it? I actually asked someone else to take a look at the yellow patch when I first noticed it, and they agreed that it looked yellow and were able to identify the portion of the screen it was in without me pointing it out, so it's definitely not just me.
The HP really doesn't seem to have the bands at all. When I look at it up close on a black image, all I see is the usual very fine "mesh" like effect that you see on most LCD monitors. The Dell has thick horizontal bands running through it instead that can be seen even when I'm sitting pretty far back. I tried taking a few pictures of it, but just got a blurry mess.
I agree that those flickering tests are worthless. I looked at solid gray images instead, and it was also noticeable during normal use if the brightness was low enough. At 45 brightness, I could see it happening on my desktop background (one of the Vista defaults). At 0, there's a huge wave going through any solid and light color, the worst being gray. I don't think it's even a question of being sensitive to it or not at that point; if your monitor is doing it, you will see it. I had to keep it at about 80 and lower the brightness in the Nvidia control panel to get the flickering under control. There's a ten page long thread on Dell's forums about this issue, and lots of recent complaints about it happening on the newest revision (which I have).
I compared both of them to a Dell P992 CRT, and the 2007WFP was almost always either within a hair's breadth of it or had identical times. The HP was behind in every shot, with the highest lag of about 47ms. The worst time I saw on the 2007WFP was 32ms, but the average was much better for the Dell. I never saw the LP2065 and the CRT displaying the same time, but the 2007WFP did several times. This probably explains why the HP was so far behind so frequently when I compared them directly.
Here are a few of the shots:
2007WFP's best time
2007WFP's worst time
LP2065's best time
LP2065's worst time
I tried that reaction time test, and it actually seemed to mirror my results pretty much exactly. I'd get about 250 average on the LP2065 and between 180-190 on the CRT.
I almost feel bad for thinking about returning this just for the input lag (and the slight yellow tint, I guess) since it seems to be fine otherwise. It's just not as good of a gaming monitor as the 2007WFP is due to this, even though they're similar otherwise. The input lag is annoying on the desktop as well, but I wouldn't say it's enough to really get in the way. For desktop work I'd still have to go with the HP due to the 4:3 aspect ratio and the flickering on the WFP, but if I get very lucky and get a 2007FP without issues, it seems like it'd be the best of both worlds. Sigh...
Originally posted by: airjrdn
Originally posted by: j0j081
Originally posted by: airjrdn
I just brought home a Samsung 2232BW and unfortunately, games (UT3/Crysis) were still blurry. I returned it to BB (no restocking fee on monitors) and went to CC and picked up a 2253BW. Gaming/blurryness they seem the same to me.
I'm contemplating trying the 2232GW, but I'm sure it'll be blurry too.
I just wanted to give a heads up to any gamers looking to try these monitors, because CC does charge the 15% restocking fee on monitors. They consider going from the 2253BW to the 2232GW an upgrade (because it's more expensive) and will waive the fee, but if you wanted to go back to the 2253BW, you'd have to pay it on the more expensive monitor.
where you playing at the lcds native resolution? maybe you mean ghosting but neither of those monitors should have that either. I used to have the 2232BW so I would know.
Yes, 1680x1050.
There's blurring, it's evident enough for my wife (non gamer) to see. Since I've seen the exact same thing with 4 different 2ms monitors now, on two different PC's of mine, I'm certain it's not a "bad monitor".
The machine it's hooked to currently is a quad core 2.66Ghz running at 3.4Ghz with 4G of RAM, and dual 768M 8800GTX's in SLI. It's hooked up via DVI.
I agree... LCDs are still at the point where people who are sensitive to ghosting will notice it in practically every non-CRT monitor. However, as a former CRT-lover, I believe that the positives of owning a LCD now outweigh the negatives, and I don't think I'd switch back except in rare cases (ex. properly displaying weird aspect ratios for some old games).Originally posted by: j0j081
I think that might just be how all LCDs are. I guess most people just learn to live with it. If you compared it to an lcd from a couple years ago though you'd notice a huge improvement.
Originally posted by: xtknight
My ViewSonic VP930b also had easily visible FRC effects on some colors. Gray would look like it was a swarm. Uniformity was poor as well. I realized it was only 6-bit+FRC instead of true 8-bit. Same case with the Dell 2007 series. Unfortunately, and particularly with monitors from the big PC companies (Dell, HP, Gateway), issues like these are common.
Originally posted by: muppet22
i'm undecided on the input lag so far..
when i do those reaction speed tests online i take about 285-300ms, instead of 185-200ms
Originally posted by: EEsRULE
I noticed redlinez33 expressed some potential buyer's remorse over on hardforum.com about spending $200 more for the PLANAR PX2611W over the DoubleSight DS-263N:
Originally Posted by redlinez33
Same panel as the Planar 26"? Crap just ordered the planar, watch this be better and $200 cheaper :-\
I was wondering what owners of either one of these monitors thought about them? Since they're the "same panel as the LCD2690WUXi without the extra viewing angle compensation film", $699.99 may be a real bargain (compared to $1200 for the NEC LCD2690WUXi).
I'm still apprehensive about buying a TN panel (BenQ G2400W or Samsung 245BW). Especially after having seen that YouTube video review of the 245BW, and how bad the viewing angle is vertically. Four years ago when I bought the Samsung 213T, the consensus of reviews I read back then was that TN panels were to be avoided.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Another 26" S-IPS. I actually laughed when the actual panel was shown in the specs. How ridiculous. AND LG Philips 8-bit is actually advertised. Maybe they are really catching on.
Not a bad deal at $700 also! Just haven't seen any reviews yet. Wide gamut, I believe. Unlisted on their site as of now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...=DoubleSight%2bDS-263N
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Originally posted by: redlinez33
ya planar isnt technically worth it, but I already have it. I called them up to get an exchange so I could try to get one without any backlight bleeding and I actually talked to an AMERICAN. WTF is with that? I am suppose to be talking to someone I cant understand.
Guess it was nice for once.....
Originally posted by: redlinez33
ohh. Look at the doublesights PDF for the monitor.
The monitor screen may be raised or lowered and tilted (-5 to 40 degree).
To raise or lower the monitor screen, place hands on each side of the
monitor screen and lift or lower to the desired height as shown in the
right gure.
I guess it does raise and lower.