[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
Looking to buy a 22" 16:9 LCD, was wondering what should I worry about the most, i.e how critical is contrast ratio, refresh rate etc. thanks

You should read the OP if you haven't already.

Next 22"s (16:10) are all TNs (except the expensive ones I mentioned a couple posts ago). With TN, your main concern should be viewing angle, which is also described in the OP. This should help you determine if a 22" is suitable for you. If you're only viewing straight-on, it's probably fine, but you may still notice a lot of color shifting.

All of them use the nominal refresh rate of 60 Hz. A few go above but I don't know the models off the top of my head. This is not related to crystal response time.

There are about two "generations" of 22" panels: CMO/LPL-based (about 600-700:1 contrast ratio) and Samsung-based (hard to find, around 900:1 or higher).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ericinho
Alright then, a smaller NEC IPS screen.. would that work?:
The NEC LCD2190UXi has not even a IPS panel but a SA-SFT panel, is only 21" and for that I would need to fork out close to 1.100 EURO (!!!)
For the NEC 2090UXi (IPS panel) I would still need to pay 750+ EURO. For that I would have a relatively small screen and I still have to pay an additional 160-200 euro for a smaller second screen.

So quite frankly, I kinda gave up on the whole 'good value for money' concept when it comes to electronics in Europe ;-)

Apart from that, even in a dual-screen setup, I don't want to go smaller than 22" really. Especially since the second screen is only used for (Adobe) software panels, so having a 19" + screen for that is really overkill.


22" - TN domain only it seems
And since good afordable 22" IPS screens don't exist, I have no choice but to go for the best VA panels available for my budget - but 22" VA panels are also pretty rare.... and thus we end where we began... at the best 24" VA panels (if I have overlooked something or there is a flaw in my thnking, please do correct me ofcourse!!!)


So back to my dillema: finding a screen for (web)design, photo editing, illustration and animation as well as playing DVDs and an occasional game :

1. The best VA screen for 800 EUR max:
   1. Eizo S2431 (i found a shop which sells it for EUR 750,-): i have found apart from the PRAD review also this CADalyst review and this PRAD review, one in PC Pro and this PC Advisor one and this one in the German CHIP magazine
   
   2. LaCie 324 (sells for EUR 860,-): really no reviews found at all
   
   3. NEC LCD2470WNX (sells for EUR 680,-). PRAD review and More reviews plus ZDNet
   
   4. Samsung 245T (sells for EUR 880,-). Anandtech review, PRAD review
   
   5. At a certain point I was eyeing the Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP, however many user reviews (hardforum etc.) made clear that this first revision has some serious issues that Dell need to address, so i removed the Dell from my shortlist).

In conclusion, a 24" IPS screen in Europe seems out of the question (as are 22" IPS)... so what would you advice me as most suitable VA screen for (web)design, photo editing, illustration and animation as well as playing DVDs and an occasional game?

Thanks for your time!

There's always the LCD2690WUXi. It's a little more expensive but it's a 25.5" H-IPS. EUR 1000+ from what I'm seeing.

The only one I'd consider is the Eizo S2431W most likely (Eizos/NECs are less likely to have silly problems). At least you get a 10-bit LUT. Might want to consider a colorimeter as well (or whatever Eizo offers to calibrate).

If you can't find any reviews on the LaCie 324 I can't really recommend that either.

The other ones don't seem that attractive to me. The 245T is a possibility. It's wide gamut so that would be better for print matching. You'd have to give an ICC profile (at least one provided on CD) to Photoshop for it to emulate the sRGB space. As long as there are not any outstanding issues about the 245T that bother you, it might be the best idea.

The Eizo S2431W is sRGB natively from what I can tell. So it would by far be the best for editing a majority of sRGB material.

The Eizo is by default calibrated slightly better, so keep this in mind if you have no colorimeter.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Khilarii
I'm going to buy a display primarily for gaming, secondarily for movies, and thirdly for text and internet. But gaming is what I'll do most. I looked at the recommendations on this thread for hardcore gaming and noticed that the 19" LG is considered very good. Would the 22-inch L227WTG-PF sold at Best Buy be equally good? I'm looking for something 22-inch or bigger. Thank you for your help.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1201913867539

Yes, the L227WT (all models including G-PF I assume) is supposed to be great for gaming. That is a glossy model.

Check out the PRAD review: http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev.../review-lg-l227wt.html

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
That LG is a good monitor from what I have read about..... I am not sure why no 22" is recommended for hardcore gaming, thats the one thing lots of them are good at........

Hmm not really. Lots of them have input lag. Many have subpar response time, slower than some VAs with overdrive. They are poor gaming role models at best.

The L227WT looks like something I'd add to my list but I'd like absolute confirmation the L227WTG-PF model is good, first. DigitalVersus actually reported up to 40 ms input lag with the L227WT but I thought I saw something elsewhere supporting PRAD's 0 ms readings. I have a lot more confidence in PRAD's test to be honest since DigitalVersus from time to time posts incorrect graphs for certain models or at least it seems that way.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eViLsTieFel

Originally posted by: albovin
All PVA Eizos have gamma shift (better word for this problem is colorshift; colorshift=loss of details in darker tones from front view+color washout from angle view).
By design, *VA technology means colorshift.
There is no relationship between gamma/colorshift and color gamut.
The NEC 2690 is an IPS monitor, so it has no gamma/colorshift.

Color washout on the Eizo 2441 (left) vs NEC 2690 (right) from Hardforum.

I guess we were talking about different problems then. What I mean is color shifting through different areas of the screen, as seen on this picture of the NEC2690 and the Eizo S2231W.
Such behaviour is typical for wide gammut displays and is a gamma problem aswell.

That's an interesting pic of the 2690. Reminds me of how mine performs on the checkerboard test. I think maybe it has to do with the polarizer added. The color tinting only appears on a certain pattern, though.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
OP: Your main post is missing information on the Sharp AVS type panels. IMO they offer excellent color saturation, superb black level, excellent viewing angles, superb response time, and good uniformity (some minor problems on vertical pans over a large grey image).

I've very much enjoyed watching movies on my 46" Aquos. The dark scenes (any any scene with black in it) look quite stunning on it. Bright colors also look very good (they seem to 'pop' out of the screen).

My Dell 2405FPW has a VA panel, and my Aquos simply blows it away in every regard (aside from the minor issue I described above).

The Sharp ASV is a VA-type panel, but it probably, unlike your 2405FPW (PVA), has 8 domains like S-PVA panels. The 2405FPW is pretty old and not that bright so I'm not too surprised here. I will add a note about ASVs in the VA section though.

Originally posted by: Gast

Originally posted by: Khilarii
I'm going to buy a display primarily for gaming, secondarily for movies, and thirdly for text and internet. But gaming is what I'll do most. I looked at the recommendations on this thread for hardcore gaming and noticed that the 19" LG is considered very good. Would the 22-inch L227WTG-PF sold at Best Buy be equally good? I'm looking for something 22-inch or bigger. Thank you for your help.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1201913867539

While I don't know about the L227WTG-PF specifically, unless you are a hardcore fps gamer (i.e. you register for tournaments where there's 60+ people and expect to win), I'd suggest you look at the multimedia section. Any of the monitors with <30ms average lag should be fine for everyone except professional gamers.

Granted, while even I can see/feel the difference of a faster panel in most fps games, it really doesn't begin to make a difference in your score until you've mastered a game, and by that time, it really only helps when you are facing other people who have mastered the game.

Originally posted by: redlinez33
That LG is a good monitor from what I have read about..... I am not sure why no 22" is recommended for hardcore gaming, thats the one thing lots of them are good at........

If you take a look at the hardcore gaming section, all (ok all but 1) of the input lag times are <11ms. Most of the 22" models break that by a wide margin.

Actually I'm not quite sure how a monitor can have between 0 and 17 ms, since 17 ms is the length of a frame. Either way, 0-17 is good for me in Hardcore Gaming. Some of them (like the LGs) are just estimates anyway, but the LG 19"s have always been fast.

@xtknight Maybe you could put a note stating the "extreme" nature of the sub 10ms input timing? Also, think you could stick a note somewhere about not ranking monitors like the Dell 3008fpw. Maybe a "Not Ranked due to" section. Maybe specific monitors for the high end, and some general notes for the lower end (i.e. Company X - Uses VA panels).

I was thinking of starting another list including more monitors but this would be a lot of work to update. I'm thinking of just making an amendment to what's there instead (and if people have questions they can of course ask here).

I like your idea though about listing a few LCDs and reasons for why they're not on the list. Succinct, to the point but it's better than nothing certainly. No guarantees on when I'll be able to add this. I've also been working on a spreadsheet of scaling capabilities for 1920x1200 panels.

Originally posted by: redlinez33
uhh actually, lots of the newer 22" have 0 input lag. Most I have seen have less than 10.

That might be true but the ones with 0 input lag might have crappy response time or poor color setup. Actually I haven't even seen that many with 0-17 ms input lag max available in North America. Do you have any suggestions?

The L227WT will be up there soon as soon as I can truly confirm its low input lag based on more user reports...not that I really think the PRAD review is wrong but I don't want to do something in impulse.

Originally posted by: crackbone

Originally posted by: xtknight
You would probably be getting well-improved IPS tech, actually. H-IPS is high-aperture-ratio IPS, which provides a contrast improvement. Those H-IPSes you are talking about are also wide gamut, which means they will appear a lot more vibrant than your 2000FP. (The BenQ 24" of course, is VA, not IPS.) You may just want to commit blindly to an H-IPS panel rather than taking a risk with a VA you can't see locally either.

Thanks for the info, bumped me over the edge and I ordered today, hopefully I get the polarizer.

Another question, are there any recommendations for monitor arms/stands? I'd like to get a wall mount for this thing, and there are loads of them on ebay for next to nothing, while retailers seem to be wanting $100 and up for them.

Sorry, I don't really have any suggestions. Someone else may, though. Maybe in the Video forum if you don't get a response here.

 

[Khilarii]

Thank you so much xtknight and others. I just ordered a Dell XPS 630 expecially for gaming and I just want to make sure that I have a good monitor to improve the gaming experience. If anybody has any reliable information about the input lag on the 22" LG L227WTG-PF, please let me know.

Which leads me to a mostly subjective follow-up question for which I'd like your thoughts:
My budget after buying my computer is currently about $500, but I'd pay up to $700 if it was really going to make a big difference.

My wife and I want a monitor for watching DVD movies (probably 6 hours a week for both of us combined). Anything would be an improvement because right now we just watch movies on a laptop computer.

BUT what I really want to use my new computer for most is playing games. I'm not an professional player or anything, but I do love playing fps games and I would like them to look good and not to have lag. So gaming is more important than movies, but movies are still somewhat important. I'm just assuming that any monitor will do ok with text and basic internet stuff. No photo editing or anything like that.

Here are the two possibilities I'm considering:

(1) Buy a 22" monitor such as the LG L227WTG-PF and just use it for computing. If I take this route, I would have some money left over to put toward a HDTV. But it wouldn't have quite enough money to buy the HDTV right away, so I'd have to use the 22" monitor both for gaming and movies for a while. Later the monitor would be for gaming / computing only.

(2) Buy a bigger monitor like the Doublesight 26" and use it for both gaming and movies indefinitely. If I spend this much on a monitor, I won't buy a TV.

What do you think I should do?

 

[redlinez33]

Ohh, with good color, didnt know that was a actual requirement for hardcore gaming..


With color in mind, the w2207 HP should be taken off the list in multimedia, or atleast mentioned that the only good one is the one with samsung panels and its very hard to find that..... I have tried 2 w2207 and 1 w2207h. Only one that was worth anything was the one with samsung panel. The w2207h was the worse monitor I have tried.

I am pretty sure the Samsung 22" (new one) that I tested had same input lag as the 245BW, but I cannot prove that anymore. Of course the colors werent great, but they were acceptable to most I would imagine.. Much better than non samsung w2207 models.

 

[albovin]

Originally posted by: eViLsTieFel

Originally posted by: albovin
All PVA Eizos have gamma shift (better word for this problem is colorshift; colorshift=loss of details in darker tones from front view+color washout from angle view).
By design, *VA technology means colorshift.
There is no relationship between gamma/colorshift and color gamut.
The NEC 2690 is an IPS monitor, so it has no gamma/colorshift.

Color washout on the Eizo 2441 (left) vs NEC 2690 (right) from Hardforum.

I guess we were talking about different problems then. What I mean is color shifting through different areas of the screen, as seen on this picture of the NEC2690 and the Eizo S2231W.
Such behaviour is typical for wide gammut displays and is a gamma problem aswell.

Yes, we were.
Yes and no.
"Yes" for the Eizo S2231W. Some users of new PVA wide gamut panels of different sizes mention that one side of the panel is brighter than another. It's not necessarily the case with the pictured monitor. *VA anlge gamma/color shift issue is enough to make the Eizo look like this.
"No" for the Nec 2690.
For the idea of this topic, 2690 and 2231 technically have nothing in common.
Both being wide gamut - just a figure measured by a colorimeter. Similarity is not more than between a dolphin and a large fish.

I don't know from what context this picture (2690) is taken. My honest guess is that this is an attempt to illustrate backlight uniformity. Inappropriate photocamera settings may lead to this artificial colored effect when someone is trying to catch lighter areas on a black screen.
A real monitor never looks like this from the front. Same effect may be produced for any monitor, any panel type, any color gamut.

So IMO, these two pictures are principally different.
2231 - real - this is how the monitor really looks.
2690 - unreal - a photo effect due to particular camera settings.
Again, no connection between 2690 photo and wide color gamut.
Regards.

 

[muppet22]

why is it that samsung and sony lcd tvs are so popular, given that they use pva panels? wouldn't ips (wider viewing angles) be an important thing for a tv to have? oh and on a side-note i get my ds-263n today!

 

[redlinez33]

Some reason, I dont notice the problems of a PVA panel on my 40" TV...... I have a slightly older 1080P 40" Samsung..............

Maybe for the better contrast PVA provides.

 

[mmnno]

The viewing angles are better, but the extra contrast of PVA is much more noticeable and a major point of competition with plasma. If you're sitting 6-10 feet away even the older panels probably won't wash out at all.

 

[bendixG15]

Appears that one of the recommended models is no longer available..

19": LG Flatron L1970HR, 1280x1024 (5:4)

Found a few refurbished but no new ones.
The review is 2 years old so perhaps it has faded into the sunset.

 

[Gast]

Originally posted by: Khilarii
Here are the two possibilities I'm considering:

(1) Buy a 22" monitor such as the LG L227WTG-PF and just use it for computing. If I take this route, I would have some money left over to put toward a HDTV. But it wouldn't have quite enough money to buy the HDTV right away, so I'd have to use the 22" monitor both for gaming and movies for a while. Later the monitor would be for gaming / computing only.

(2) Buy a bigger monitor like the Doublesight 26" and use it for both gaming and movies indefinitely. If I spend this much on a monitor, I won't buy a TV.

What do you think I should do?

If it's you and your wife usually be sitting less than 6 feet away from the screen. I'd go with the 26" DS. If you want to be able to invite several of your friend over on a nightly basis for movies and what not, go with the HDTV. Which is more important to you- gaming and movies with your wife, or entertaining a group of friends?

 

[ericinho]

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's always the LCD2690WUXi. It's a little more expensive but it's a 25.5" H-IPS. EUR 1000+ from what I'm seeing.

The only one I'd consider is the Eizo S2431W most likely (Eizos/NECs are less likely to have silly problems). At least you get a 10-bit LUT. Might want to consider a colorimeter as well (or whatever Eizo offers to calibrate).

If you can't find any reviews on the LaCie 324 I can't really recommend that either.

The other ones don't seem that attractive to me. The 245T is a possibility. It's wide gamut so that would be better for print matching. You'd have to give an ICC profile (at least one provided on CD) to Photoshop for it to emulate the sRGB space. As long as there are not any outstanding issues about the 245T that bother you, it might be the best idea.

The Eizo S2431W is sRGB natively from what I can tell. So it would by far be the best for editing a majority of sRGB material.

The Eizo is by default calibrated slightly better, so keep this in mind if you have no colorimeter.

Dear Xtknight,

Thanks for your reply. The 26" NEC is not really an option. Apart from being 200+ euro above my budget, I simply find the screen too big.

Although topping my shortlist, I do wonder if the Eizo S2431 is worth this kinda money... for being a non-S-IPS panel... or the difference in quality justifies its premium price.
The Samsung 245T is even more expensive than the Eizo, so doubtful that would be better value for money, apart from being WG.

I am seriously considering abandoning my quest for a 24" and focus on finding a good 21-22" widescreen S-IPS screen for a dual screen setup.
This I would couple with a decent 4:3 19" which would function as secondary 'Adobe Panels/Shortcut bar' screen.

» But good 21-22" S-IPS screens for (web)design, photo editing, illustration and animation as well as playing DVDs and an occasional game.... do these even exist?????

Thanks for your invaluable help!

 

[shinobiobi]

welp, after having gone through a 2253bw and a 2207h, i cursed TN panels for life and decided to roll the dice on a dell 2007WFP. i guess luck was finally on my side, i got an s-ips panel, and i'm thoroughly enjoying it for all my applications.

for some reason there's no contrast control in the osd though, and the aspect ratio control is grayed out also. anyone know how to remedy this? i hate 'fit' mode on aspect ratio, and the nvidia aspect control isn't working for my warcraft 3.

 

[pcmodem]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Khilarii
I'm going to buy a display primarily for gaming, secondarily for movies, and thirdly for text and internet. But gaming is what I'll do most. I looked at the recommendations on this thread for hardcore gaming and noticed that the 19" LG is considered very good. Would the 22-inch L227WTG-PF sold at Best Buy be equally good? I'm looking for something 22-inch or bigger. Thank you for your help.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1201913867539

Yes, the L227WT (all models including G-PF I assume) is supposed to be great for gaming. That is a glossy model.

Check out the PRAD review: http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev.../review-lg-l227wt.html

The LG 227WT is finally available in the USA?

Been waiting since November of last year... sheesh.

Will try to make it over to worst, err, Best... Best Buy to check it out.


Cheers,
PCM

 

[nwilson]

I'm new to the forum and looking for my first LCD display because my old CRT is dying.

I'm looking for an reasonably priced LCD for photo viewing and editing as well as general office use. I don't do gaming at all. I occasionally edit video. Reasonable color accuracy and a true 8-bit panel are important, but ultrafast response time is not. I have a Monaco Optix calibrator. I've spent a lot of time reading this topic, and it looks like NEC is a trustworthy brand.

I'm looking at a new NEC AccuSync Business Series ASLCD224WXM Widescreen LCD Monitor - 22" - 1680 x 1050 @ 75Hz - 5ms - 0.282mm - 900:1 - Black - ASLCD224WXM-BK, Viewing Angle 176° Horizontal / 176° Vertical, currently selling for $300 at buy.com with free shipping.

This is a new model released in Winter 2008, so I can't find any reviews or discussion of this display. I don't know what type panel it is, but the claimed viewing angle it looks like it isn't a TN type.

How can I find out the panel type and bit depth? Any good alternatives in this size and price range? Can anyone guide me on this?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Khilarii
Thank you so much xtknight and others. I just ordered a Dell XPS 630 expecially for gaming and I just want to make sure that I have a good monitor to improve the gaming experience. If anybody has any reliable information about the input lag on the 22" LG L227WTG-PF, please let me know.

Which leads me to a mostly subjective follow-up question for which I'd like your thoughts:
My budget after buying my computer is currently about $500, but I'd pay up to $700 if it was really going to make a big difference.

My wife and I want a monitor for watching DVD movies (probably 6 hours a week for both of us combined). Anything would be an improvement because right now we just watch movies on a laptop computer.

BUT what I really want to use my new computer for most is playing games. I'm not an professional player or anything, but I do love playing fps games and I would like them to look good and not to have lag. So gaming is more important than movies, but movies are still somewhat important. I'm just assuming that any monitor will do ok with text and basic internet stuff. No photo editing or anything like that.

Here are the two possibilities I'm considering:

(1) Buy a 22" monitor such as the LG L227WTG-PF and just use it for computing. If I take this route, I would have some money left over to put toward a HDTV. But it wouldn't have quite enough money to buy the HDTV right away, so I'd have to use the 22" monitor both for gaming and movies for a while. Later the monitor would be for gaming / computing only.

(2) Buy a bigger monitor like the Doublesight 26" and use it for both gaming and movies indefinitely. If I spend this much on a monitor, I won't buy a TV.

What do you think I should do?

I think you should get a DoubleSight (in other words, single good monitor instead of two mediocre ones). It will have much better viewing angles for watching movies, and it's great for gaming and movies alike. The L227WT is good for gaming, but it may not cut the mustard for movies, especially multiple people watching them (viewing angle). Since you have the option, the DS-263N is the best idea.

 

[jae]

would it be better to go with a monitor that has HDMI input rather than DVI-D in the long run? 22" will be used as computer monitor for general use/hi def movies/tv(standard def) then later on I will hook it up to PS3 and Xbox360 for games and bluray movies.

btw, i have narrowed my decision down to the acer (dvi-d) and hanns*g (hdmi).. still doing research though.

 

[Denithor]

Thinking about a new monitor, I mostly game and surf with my home system. Not in a hurry here so I want to make sure I get the right one picked out.

Currently have Samsung 204B (16x12) and it's good for gaming but hard on the eyes for text (too small, text doesn't scale well on many websites). Want to go widescreen this time around.

Considering the BenQ G2400W. Anyone here have that monitor and care to comment?

EDIT: Also, can anyone address how well/poorly this monitor performs at non-native resolution? For example, if I wanted to game at 1680x1050 would it look ok on the BenQ?

 

[10e]

Originally posted by: Denithor
Thinking about a new monitor, I mostly game and surf with my home system. Not in a hurry here so I want to make sure I get the right one picked out.

Currently have Samsung 204B (16x12) and it's good for gaming but hard on the eyes for text (too small, text doesn't scale well on many websites). Want to go widescreen this time around.

Considering the BenQ G2400W. Anyone here have that monitor and care to comment?

EDIT: Also, can anyone address how well/poorly this monitor performs at non-native resolution? For example, if I wanted to game at 1680x1050 would it look ok on the BenQ?

Hey there,

I have a G2400W. Here are some things I like about it:

1) Very sharp text. The only monitor I've had with text as sharp is my Dell 2005FPW
2) Speed. No overdrive used and no input lag. Response time is good. Motion blur is not bad and I can't see any ghosting at all
3) Decent TN viewing angles. Still not perfect, but the shift in color on vertical angles is not nearly as exaggerated as other TN panels
4) Out of box color calibration (especially in standard and sRGB modes) is very good. Calibration with a Spyder2Express changed very little
5) Great OSD with full gamut of aspect, fill, 1:1 settings that work perfectly on DVI and HDMI, with the only caveat being 1920x1080 over VGA.

Considering your main question, I would have to say it looks good at less-than-native resolution, and the OSD allows you to scale it how you'd like.

Though I always suggest that if you are going to do that, set the scaling from the video card (nVidia or ATI) because it introduces no lag and looks pretty good. Otherwise you are going to get the monitor to do it, and may introduce extra input lag.

I've tested the BenQ at 1360x768 for lag, and didn't find much difference (if any) but I always think it's best to let the vid card scale it up for you, as it won't change performance one bit.

Regards,

10e

 

[Denithor]

Wow, thanks for the quick & informative response!

And welcome to the forums!

I would definitely let the video card handle the resolution change. I will use a 9600GT with HDMI output, at least initially, I'll have to see how it handles my games at higher resolutions than I currently use. I can play at 16x12 just fine so I would imagine 1680x1050 would not be a problem, thus the secondary question above. However this card may not be adequate for 1920x1200 but I will see if I decide to get this monitor.

Now I just gotta come up with $400...

EDIT: After looking around further, I came across the BenQ T241W. It appears to be new, not seeing reviews of it out there. Anyone know anything about this model?

 

[seymsag]

Hello,

I am new to forum and lcd technology and I have some questions about a Lcd monitor I recently bought(Benq x2200w).

I am using this with my laptop through a dsub cable and ps3 through a hdmi cable.

First of all there is a lot of dithering when screen becomes gray or some light is shed on a black background (or in this test: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php).

When I am using the monior with my ps3 there is color corruption on objects which have intense lighting reflections on them(cars in gran turismo for example[some lightening reflections on cars look red, green or blue]), the same issue occured when the ninja theory logo, which had some lightening shed from logo on black background, was visible on screen at the beggining of heavenly sword, in this case, the lightening which supposed to be white looks green blue and red.I tested the monitor with Half Life 2 and, condemned on my laptop and didnt get that color corruption issue.

From what I read here dithering is commonplace among LCDs and done intentionally, I dont know what causes the color corruption however and want to know if there is anything I can do about that.

Thanks

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
Ohh, with good color, didnt know that was a actual requirement for hardcore gaming..


With color in mind, the w2207 HP should be taken off the list in multimedia, or atleast mentioned that the only good one is the one with samsung panels and its very hard to find that..... I have tried 2 w2207 and 1 w2207h. Only one that was worth anything was the one with samsung panel. The w2207h was the worse monitor I have tried.

I am pretty sure the Samsung 22" (new one) that I tested had same input lag as the 245BW, but I cannot prove that anymore. Of course the colors werent great, but they were acceptable to most I would imagine.. Much better than non samsung w2207 models.

Well the dearth of reviews on these monitors is certainly unfortunate. I don't really know what to do.

Originally posted by: muppet22
why is it that samsung and sony lcd tvs are so popular, given that they use pva panels? wouldn't ips (wider viewing angles) be an important thing for a tv to have? oh and on a side-note i get my ds-263n today!

Price. Plus, VA panels aren't nearly as annoying when they're used as TVs. In fact they might be preferred because of higher contrast. I have a VA TV and I rarely if ever notice shifting when I'm sitting on the couch watching HD.

Originally posted by: bendixG15
Appears that one of the recommended models is no longer available..

19": LG Flatron L1970HR, 1280x1024 (5:4)

Found a few refurbished but no new ones.
The review is 2 years old so perhaps it has faded into the sunset.

Yup, this will be taken off the list then.