Oh, you're right
No worries -- thanks anyway. It's a great monitor!
BTW, both NECs I've bought under your advice!
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: gersson
Another H member here
Can I please have a colorimeter calibrated ICC profile for my NEC LCD2690WUXi? (xtknight, do you have one?)
Well, I do, but it wouldn't do you any good since I use the hardware calibration. The lookup tables on the software side are empty.
I can do the software calibration if you want, but I may as well ask what settings you want.
Originally posted by: weh
Okay, okay, I've read and re-read until I'm blue in the face. My first decision was easy: Last year, I bought the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 (close-out deal at NewEgg complete w/ $100 rebate; effective price $400) and couldn't be more pleased with its phenomenal performance. (I'm a photographer and do the image editing thing - both sRGB & Adobe RGB - as well as general use applications - I'm NOT a gamer.) At the time, my second choice was the BenQ FP241W (which seemed to have it all; was similarly priced; but NEC was a "brand name"). The extra screen real estate might have been nice, but ... I'm very happy with my choice. Many thanks for all the wonderful information provided in this thread!
Now I'm in need of a second monitor. And, I want that extra real estate. While not absolutely necessary, I'd like the portrait-mode swivel feature, too. If NEC offered an essentially identical 24WMGX2, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The NEC 2490 and 2690 WUXi models are just out of my budget for the time being. That leaves a very small handful of less expensive options, among them, the DoubleSight DS-263N (essentially the Planar PX2611W's econo-twin without the swivel) and, possibly, the Dell newcomer on the block, the UltraSharp 2408WFP (which, like the now-discontinued BenQ, seems to have all the bells and whistles). I really like the idea of the Dell with all its connectivity and features; however, Dell just isn't a company that engenders blind trust (the panel lottery with past models, unaddressed issues with several models, sometimes [very] poor service [have I got a nightmare story about a Dell server!], etc). I've seen some good reviews; but there also seem to be some jitters among the comments posted in forums.
Has anyone seen both? Any advice, comments or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Originally posted by: Squidmaster
I have eye sensitivity issues, but I also use computers all the time. This is a new, more severe issue. I have a 26" LCD TV that also does not cause this sensation when used from roughly the same range. If I was particularly sensitive to fluorescent light, I would have the same problem with both in all likelihood, would I not?
I think with the way the monitor resets settings without my permission, I have a decent case for returning this anyway, though the bigger reason is the fatigue. I'm trying to arrange a situation where I can use someone else's LCD for a bit just for a safety net, but that may not happen. I can use laptop screens with less fatigue than a CRT... I certainly didn't expect a big fatigue jump from a CRT to an LCD.
Originally posted by: rhettdb2005
Hey everyone,
So after doing some research, I think I have settled on a monitor but I would love to get some feedback and advice before I make the purchase. Some basic information:
I currently have a 17" LCD, looking to upgrade to a 22" widescreen LCD. Am looking for HDMI and DVI-D inputs, because one of the main reasons I am getting the new monitor is so that I can hook up both my computer and either an XBox360 or PS3 to it as well (the debate between those two is a whole other matter). Based on those specifications, and some things I have read here and elsewhere, it seems that the Dell SP2208WFPis my best option.
It is at the very top end of my budget (max around $350, but would prefer to stay under $300). I will be using the monitor primarily for traditional work things (word, excel, etc) and gaming (both PC and console). It will also get lesser use for TV/Video. I have an 8800GT, so I think I will see a pretty good improvement in quality with the new monitor.
So is that the right choice? Are their other, better options for what I am looking for? Also, what are the chances that the price drops on this dell in the near future--should I buy now, or hold off a few weeks? Thanks for your help!
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Do LG panels, specifically the L227WTG-PF have a way to switch overdrive on and off?
Originally posted by: Dashel
I am in the process of narrowing down my choices for LCD. Was hoping to just sort of get my thoughts down and if anyone cares to correct me where I'm going wrong it would be appreciated
This monitor will be used for Gaming, Multimedia, general use. In that order. I would not categorize my gaming as "hardcore", which I take to mean in a competitive clan or guild in an FPS setting. I do game a lot though and I plan to play fairly competitively in an upcoming MMO.
I would like to keep the price below 1000.00 US but I would go as high as say 1300 for an exceptional monitor that fit all my needs if I had to.
Current monitor is a Dell 2001FP which I have found to be excellent in every regard. Completely happy with it, just looking to upgrade to a 2 monitor set up and have a widescreen.
I've narrowed my choices down to the following 3 LCD's:
1. The Dell 2408. This monitor has received very good reviews including in Anandtech's recent 24" LCD round up. I love my current Dell. This monitor seems to have excellent color accuracy, a nice array of inputs, and .... it looks totally sweet! =) Let's be honest, the display itself is a centerpiece for our set ups and things like that matter. To me anyway.
The knock on it is the input lag. Will I notice it? No way to know until I try it. My thought is, get this monitor and if it's really noticeable in games I can pick up a nice TN like the BenQ for hardcore gaming and still be under my 1200 price threshold .
2. BenQ G2400W. Another monitor that has many good reviews both here and elsewhere. It's highly rated in this thread for gaming. It's under 400 bucks. I like the look of it aesthetically.
The cons for this are that it's a TN. Will I notice the viewing angle difference? Will I be settling on the colors and overall display? Again no way to know until I try it. My thought here is to buy it and see if it suits all my needs. If it does, great! If not I can return it for a small loss on restocking fees and shipping, or keep it just for situational use.
3. DoubleSight DS-263N. Great reviews here and elsewhere again. This thread xknight calls it "Quite possibly best value on the market". Wow! It's an IPS, same as my Dell 2001FP (I think?). It's 25.5 inch widescreen. It's in my price range. It's rated highly here for both hardcore gaming and multimedia.
The cons for this seems to be slight banding and the possibility of getting one without a polarizer. Some bleeding etc. This would SEEM to be the perfect solution for me yet I cant sell myself on it yet. I dont know what it is really. The aesthetics to me are only "not bad" (can I change the bezel?) and it's a brand I never heard of, perhaps that's all it is.
Honestly I think I'm nervous there will be a problem with it and I'll have a tough time exchanging it or returning it because I'm not familiar with the name. Is this unfounded? Can the bezel on it be changed to a more attractive one that can be adjusted up and down?
Originally posted by: FatLeprechaun
This might be a stupid question, but why isn't the Gateway XHD3000 (30 inch monitor) on this list ? In my preliminary research, the Gateway seems critically acclaimed, if only a bit more expensive than the Dell 3007WFP-HC. And unlike the Dell, it has low response time and input lag, making it suitable for gaming.
Originally posted by: dmalice
So after a little more reading around (mostly on hardforum and here) I've also started to look at *gasp* gateway monitors.
Specifically, the FHD2400, and the XHD3000 (though the price point for this is a little high, I haven't ruled it out). From what I can tell, the XHD3000 is simply a fantastic monitor, although apparently it features a 72% gamut? It is also an S-PVA as opposed to an IPS, but the wide gamut on the larger IPS screens is a bit of a turn-off for me. I'm primarily going to be using this monitor for gaming and watching movies, and the ability of the XHD3000 to upscale to its native 2560x1600 resolution is a HUGE selling point for me. The HQV scaling chip is primarily what drives it's price up I believe, though the integrated speaker is a bit of a turnoff (fortunately it can be removed).
Originally posted by: redlinez33
The stand can be replaced, but the bezel on any LCD cannot without some serious work. I had the Dell 2408WFP, I Also have had multiple 24" TN panels, and now I OWN a DoubleSight DS-263N with a polarizer. The Dell 2408WFP I absolutely hated. Input lag and colorshifting (even looking straight on) were so bad I only had it for 3 days before I sent it back..... 24" TN panels are ok, I havent personally tried the BENQ G2400W and I hear its one of the best 24" TNs, but they all suffer from the same type of problems. Specifically looking straight on at the screen the top part of the screen will be darker than the rest... Its because of viewing angle problems....
I do notice banding a little bit on the DS263N, but never in games. It has slight backlight bleeding, but its not as distracting as the backlight bleeding that you get with a TN panel. It is also the best looking monitor out of the three you mentioned, and the 13 different models I tried this past winter.... So I kept it....
Well worth the money.
Originally posted by: xtknight
The DS-263N seems to have been out of stock for awhile so I'm not sure what's happening. The next best choice would be the PX2611W, which is also H-IPS and doesn't have much lag.
http://accessories.us.dell.com...S&cid=27530&lid=627063
The Dell 2408, according to BeHardware, had horrible default colors and atrocious input lag, which somewhat conflict with the AnandTech review.
The G2400W has gotten good reviews all around but it's a TN and you can get better.
I would suggest the PX2611W as I heard the DS-263N may be out of stock for awhile. Maybe you can shoot DoubleSight an e-mail and ask about stock...
The PX2611W does not have a polarizer like many DS-263Ns but, still, it may be the best choice.
If you're nervous about the DS-263N, you can give a brand like NEC a try. NEC's LCD2490WUXi or LCD2690WUXi will fit your bill although they do have a little input lag. Both of NEC's are 100% guaranteed to come with A-TW polarizers. They have great default colors, good response time, and excellent clarity/coating.
They're available at Dell which has a return-for-any-reason-within-21-days policy, AFAIK (but please never take anyone's words blindly about policies).
http://accessories.us.dell.com...dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950280
http://accessories.us.dell.com...dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950281
Even if you don't get the -SV (SpectraView) model of the NECs, you can buy the calibration software later for the equivalent price. Just an FYI. So don't feel gypped. That's what I did and mine works great.
The LCD2490 has been reputed to have slightly higher build quality (less backlight bleeding, less dead pixels). My LCD26 has a couple dead pixels but I learned to live with them. The LCD26's primary advantage is size and that it is wide gamut, but wide gamut is NOT good for some applications as you may know. Personally, I love the LCD26 though. Wide gamut is great if you don't edit photos much and don't care about occasionally oversaturated colors in apps that lack color management (FireFox 3 has color management but you must specify a color profile). I can feel a bit of input lag on it, but not enough to really impede gaming.
The NEC models give you extensive scaling options that work, although sadly no interlaced (only progressive) input support. Check with Dell to make sure you can return if you are at all dissatisfied.
I have two NEC IPS-based LCDs and I'm thrilled with the performance of both of them. The LCD26's contrast is even higher than my 20WMGX2's, and black level is comparable to some VA panels. Compared to the VX2435wm, the LCD26 has a slightly higher black level but reveals much more dark detail in dark games like STALKER. The LCD26 is considerably more comfortable to use in dark games than many VA panels. I feel that picking the LCD26 over competing VA panels like the 275T/2707WFP was the best choice I've ever made. I was even on the edge about that, but when I saw VA color shift on big panels first hand, I realized that should have been an easy choice!
I'm also really sold on hardware calibration. I did software calibration with my last monitor, and the hardware calibration has cleared up two things that I noticed:
1) Slight imperfections in a grayscale gradient. This is probably due to the fact that you lose some colours when you correct the videocard LUT. Not a problem here, at least that I can see, grayscale is perfect.
2) Games override it. A lot of games like to load their gamma via the video card, and thus override any calibration. Again, no problem with a hardware calibration, your corrections are applied after the game. So while the game might change the power, it doesn't change the corrections.
Originally posted by: Dashel
I dont have a Doublesight but my understanding was it doesnt raise or lower, just tilt?
Originally posted by: rhettdb2005
Hey everyone,
So after doing some research, I think I have settled on a monitor but I would love to get some feedback and advice before I make the purchase. Some basic information:
I currently have a 17" LCD, looking to upgrade to a 22" widescreen LCD. Am looking for HDMI and DVI-D inputs, because one of the main reasons I am getting the new monitor is so that I can hook up both my computer and either an XBox360 or PS3 to it as well (the debate between those two is a whole other matter). Based on those specifications, and some things I have read here and elsewhere, it seems that the Dell SP2208WFPis my best option.
It is at the very top end of my budget (max around $350, but would prefer to stay under $300). I will be using the monitor primarily for traditional work things (word, excel, etc) and gaming (both PC and console). It will also get lesser use for TV/Video. I have an 8800GT, so I think I will see a pretty good improvement in quality with the new monitor.
So is that the right choice? Are their other, better options for what I am looking for? Also, what are the chances that the price drops on this dell in the near future--should I buy now, or hold off a few weeks? Thanks for your help!
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: FatLeprechaun
This might be a stupid question, but why isn't the Gateway XHD3000 (30 inch monitor) on this list ? In my preliminary research, the Gateway seems critically acclaimed, if only a bit more expensive than the Dell 3007WFP-HC. And unlike the Dell, it has low response time and input lag, making it suitable for gaming.
It's expensive and had some type of QC problem as far as I can remember. It's also an S-PVA panel, inferior to IPS no matter how expensive it is. The standard gamut is attractive to content producers, but not as much to typical consumers who like vibrant colors.
Originally posted by: FatLeprechaun
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: FatLeprechaun
This might be a stupid question, but why isn't the Gateway XHD3000 (30 inch monitor) on this list ? In my preliminary research, the Gateway seems critically acclaimed, if only a bit more expensive than the Dell 3007WFP-HC. And unlike the Dell, it has low response time and input lag, making it suitable for gaming.
It's expensive and had some type of QC problem as far as I can remember. It's also an S-PVA panel, inferior to IPS no matter how expensive it is. The standard gamut is attractive to content producers, but not as much to typical consumers who like vibrant colors.
Do you think that these reasons are a deal breaker for the Gateway? Price is not really a consideration for me as long as I'm getting a really good monitor. I'm looking to build a dream gaming system, so 30 inch monitors are attractive for me because of the ability to go to 2550 x 1600 (since my hardware should be able to handle it for everything except Crysis).
If not the Gateway, are there any 30 inch monitors you would recommend for hardcore FPS gaming? I assume that the Dell 3007WFP-HC isn't a good idea because of its response time and input lag.
I'm also strongly considering the Doublesight DS-263N, mostly because of your recommendation. Do you think that it's pretty close to being an ideal gaming monitor if price doesn't matter that much to me?
Originally posted by: 10e
Looks like I have to "MRA" my LCD2690Wuxi-bk.
I just received my SVII-KIT and have had fun calibrating with it, but I've noticed a number of issues with the monitor that I can't live with:
1) Panel is loosely mounted at the top and can move 2 or 3 millimetres within the bezel while being cleaned
2) A number of stuck green and red subpixels have shown up in the top inch of the monitor, which I found while calibrating last night, with a black screen
3) One dead green subpixel, one "half dead" green subpixel
I have initiated an MRA request via E-mail with NEC support, so we'll see what happens.
Hopefully I can get it soon, because I am really digging this monitor, especially after calibrating with SVII.
10e
Originally posted by: Dashel
Originally posted by: xtknight
The DS-263N seems to have been out of stock for awhile so I'm not sure what's happening. The next best choice would be the PX2611W, which is also H-IPS and doesn't have much lag.
http://accessories.us.dell.com...S&cid=27530&lid=627063
The Dell 2408, according to BeHardware, had horrible default colors and atrocious input lag, which somewhat conflict with the AnandTech review.
The G2400W has gotten good reviews all around but it's a TN and you can get better.
I would suggest the PX2611W as I heard the DS-263N may be out of stock for awhile. Maybe you can shoot DoubleSight an e-mail and ask about stock...
The PX2611W does not have a polarizer like many DS-263Ns but, still, it may be the best choice.
If you're nervous about the DS-263N, you can give a brand like NEC a try. NEC's LCD2490WUXi or LCD2690WUXi will fit your bill although they do have a little input lag. Both of NEC's are 100% guaranteed to come with A-TW polarizers. They have great default colors, good response time, and excellent clarity/coating.
They're available at Dell which has a return-for-any-reason-within-21-days policy, AFAIK (but please never take anyone's words blindly about policies).
http://accessories.us.dell.com...dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950280
http://accessories.us.dell.com...dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950281
Even if you don't get the -SV (SpectraView) model of the NECs, you can buy the calibration software later for the equivalent price. Just an FYI. So don't feel gypped. That's what I did and mine works great.
The LCD2490 has been reputed to have slightly higher build quality (less backlight bleeding, less dead pixels). My LCD26 has a couple dead pixels but I learned to live with them. The LCD26's primary advantage is size and that it is wide gamut, but wide gamut is NOT good for some applications as you may know. Personally, I love the LCD26 though. Wide gamut is great if you don't edit photos much and don't care about occasionally oversaturated colors in apps that lack color management (FireFox 3 has color management but you must specify a color profile). I can feel a bit of input lag on it, but not enough to really impede gaming.
The NEC models give you extensive scaling options that work, although sadly no interlaced (only progressive) input support. Check with Dell to make sure you can return if you are at all dissatisfied.
I have two NEC IPS-based LCDs and I'm thrilled with the performance of both of them. The LCD26's contrast is even higher than my 20WMGX2's, and black level is comparable to some VA panels. Compared to the VX2435wm, the LCD26 has a slightly higher black level but reveals much more dark detail in dark games like STALKER. The LCD26 is considerably more comfortable to use in dark games than many VA panels. I feel that picking the LCD26 over competing VA panels like the 275T/2707WFP was the best choice I've ever made. I was even on the edge about that, but when I saw VA color shift on big panels first hand, I realized that should have been an easy choice!
A lot to thing about thank you! Ahh good old NEC. Prior to this Dell I had a string of NEC CRTs that I had a lot of success with. Great experiences with that company for me. I will do my homework on the NEC's, you make an excellent case for them. I'd like to determine what the input lag is in relation to say the Dell 2408 or even better, my current Dell 2001FP.
Wide color gamut doesnt frighten me off at all, I am reading it actually makes games look more vibrant. I think I'd like it.
For the calibration, do you know if this is true?
I'm also really sold on hardware calibration. I did software calibration with my last monitor, and the hardware calibration has cleared up two things that I noticed:
1) Slight imperfections in a grayscale gradient. This is probably due to the fact that you lose some colours when you correct the videocard LUT. Not a problem here, at least that I can see, grayscale is perfect.
2) Games override it. A lot of games like to load their gamma via the video card, and thus override any calibration. Again, no problem with a hardware calibration, your corrections are applied after the game. So while the game might change the power, it doesn't change the corrections.
I notice the Doublesight on NewEgg has an ETA of 5/7/08. So perhaps only a temporary delay in supply.