[Retired] The LCD Thread

[LittleNemoNES]

Hey, xtknight: Will I be able to get by calibrating my NEC 2690 (and NEC 20WMGX2) w/ Spectraview II and an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT? Or should I go for the display 2 model?
Everything I've seen online indicated that it is the same hardware -- different software.

What do you suggest?
Thanks

 

[10e]

Generally it isn't, as I've had two, and neither had a backlight bleed issue.

The second one has more "mura" and slight clouding with dark colors but that's only visible at viewing angles where I'm above it.

If it's a huge problem for you I would exchange it. So far from the correspondence I've received on Hard Forum this has not been an issue for anyone with it.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: Demitre
I just purchased a BenQ G2400W monitor, and there is noticable bleeding along the top edges, otherwise no dead pixel that I have noticed. Should I return? I know bleeding is a risk with LCD, especially the TN, but I didn't know it was a problem for the BenQ?

 

[10e]

The lagom tests seem to show it at a funny gamma (between 1.6 and 1.8 depending on angle) but I don't think the colors are off.

You may want to play around with the contrast setting. I find anything above 60 starts to wash out the colors, so I generally keep it between 40 and 52.

I have also seen the gamma issue on Samsung 2493HM, where it also seemed like it was between 1.9 and 2.0 but both monitors have shown me good color accuracy compared to other TNs I've seen.

Yes, the speed both in response and input lag is almost unapproachable.

Regards,
10e

Originally posted by: ThePercolator
Just got my BenQ G2400W tonight. I'm also noticing some bleeding on the top and bottom, but I wouldn't call it unusual. I'm still playing with the settings. Even in "sRGB" mode (which is not the default), the color curve is pretty far off. It looks like around ~ 1.8 gamma in the Lagom tests.

However, the speed of the BenQ is phenomenal. I don't have a CRT to compare it to, but it's ~ 2.4 ms faster versus my Viewsonic VP171b, which I already know is a pretty low-lag screen.

I plan on playing a lot of UT3 on this screen. Maybe I'll flip it later and get the DoubleSight, but for now, it's boss.

 

[10e]

Thanks Dashel,

I received my second unit last Tuesday. NEC service is beyond reproach!

I received a unit that fixed all the small issues I experienced with the first one (slightly loose panel at the top, various dead and stuck subpixels). No dead pixels or subpixels, no BLB, no issues whatsoever. For all intents and purposes it is PERFECT.

It took approximately 2 business days to have it shipped from Itasca in Illinois up to Toronto, as NEC Canada was out of stock. I have already shipped them back the original unit. I did not have any trouble getting the MRA "material returns auth." number from NEC once I mentioned that the panel creaked when I cleaned it with a soft cloth.

Right now I'm enjoying this monitor more than I thought possible. Coupled with my BenQ G2400W I have two extremely capable monitors (for their target markets).

The BenQ is mostly for PC and Xbox 360 (over HDMI) gaming, and the NEC for PC general use (including Photoshop where it excels) and PS3 games and movies. I can feel a very very small amount of lag with the NEC but I can't see it except in clone mode vs. the BenQ, but the BenQ is extremely low lag (basically zero), so it does not bother me.

I think I have a setup for the next number of years that I cannot be any less than fully satisfied with.

It is difficult to justify a large price premium for any product, especially one that may have features and abilities outside the normal realm of requirements. I do believe that, with the polarizer, the DS-263N must be a spectacular product for the price, simply because it uses the excellent LG 26" panel inside the NEC. It has controls to "de-saturate" the wide gamut, so you may still be able to adjust and calibrate the DS to your liking as well. That coupled with incredibly low input lag, makes this another excellent choice.

I think where the NEC excels over most monitors is the ability to internally calibrate it, the very good brightness and color adjustments, the excellent, high-quality scaler, and the "just right" number of inputs. It also has an immense number of options in the OSD, which is the best I've ever used on a display, period.


The only caveat to the NEC is in use with "interlaced" video as it does not support any interlaced resolutions (like 1080i) but that is a small thing IMHO, and I've hooked up my HD cable box to my BenQ without issue.

Not that I'm recommending a dual monitor config for everyone, but it has it's advantages (outside of desk space usage).

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: Dashel

Originally posted by: 10e
Some people have indicated they don't like the highly saturated colors of the LCD2690, but I have to say it is phenomenal with PS3 and 360 over HDMI > DVI.

The colors are good even though the monitor is capable of really saturating things. Calibration out of box is good, and after using the SVII-KIT everything except the (already good) greys improved more.

In addition because calibration updates the monitor's internal Look up tables, the effect will pass over to the other connections and modes as long as you put the monitor into (P)rogrammable mode (which it defaults to after calibration).

That, coupled with the (detailed by XTKnight) ability to turn overdrive on or off, makes this a very customizable screen.

In addition you can set customized "expansion" options which allow you to re-scale different resolutions such as 1080p all the way down to 640x480, which is a godsend for consoles.

It also doesn't suffer from overscan issues like a number of multi-input monitors do (Samsung 2493HM).

I am happy pairing this monitor up with the G2400W right now. My FP241VW has been fairly disappointing in a number of ways (that I've exhaustively examined).

If the LCD2690 is too rich, the Doublesight makes a good, more economical alternative.

Regards,

10e

I'm glad to hear you are having a good experience with NEC 10e, and that you're mostly enjoying the LCD26. I'm strongly considering it myself. I think I would enjoy the saturated colors and I believe the ~33ms image delay would be perfectly acceptable for the gaming I do.

Right now I'm mostly trying to get a handle on what the extra $5-600.00 is buying me over say the Doublesight or even the 2408 assuming I could get the delay that Anand got on it.

 

[10e]

I will try this and see if there are any noticeable differences. I will use "Chicken Little" on BluRay and hopefully post up a photo of "uncalibrated" DVI-I vs. "calibrated".

I am not 100% sure of this myself. I should try before I speak

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: 10e
In addition because calibration updates the monitor's internal Look up tables, the effect will pass over to the other connections and modes as long as you put the monitor into (P)rogrammable mode (which it defaults to after calibration).

I'm not sure exactly how it works but I believe you may need to calibrate at least DVI/VGA separately (that's because VGA interference can affect color). You might need to calibrate DVI-I 1 and DVI-I 2 separately as well through the PC before hooking up a console.

But calibration is great, amazing for watching through an HD tuner or any other source.

 

[10e]

I have never had another dead pixel show up past a day. I had a second "half dead" subpixel show up on my first NEC LCD2690 a day later, but that may have been due to the panel moving/shaking within the housing, and it was extremely difficult to see..

Most "new" dead pixels showed up within an hour, once the panel warmed up. I had a stuck subpixel show up on a previous monitor about two hours after I fired it up, but careful massaging made it go away.

I tend to not worry about dead pixels if they are not in my line of view during typical usage, but if they are near the middle, I don't tolerate them. Everyone is different in this regard, but your's sounds like it's basically out of the way.

10e

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Looking for a little advice, one last time (hopefully).

I purchased the LG L227WTG as per xtknight's recommendation.

I've had it 3 days now.

From what I can see.

Pros: good vibrant colours, very good for text and gaming and pretty good for movies/multimedia.

Cons: a little backlight bleed around edges in spots (I write this one off really because any 22" TN I go for is really going to have some to some degree), a few RTC errors (haloing) on certain video sequences and a dead pixel.

I'm just wondering, up to how long a time should I be worried about more dead pixels popping up? At some point are they a lot less likely to occur?

I have one now, but it's at the very top of the screen close to the corner, I'm thinking that if I got to nitpicking and exchanged it, I'd probably end up with more of them, or just one in the center of the screen area which is much worse.

So... I'm thinking I should just stick with this monitor, but I don't want anymore dead or stuck pixels, I'm at my limit.

So I'm wondering how long I should keep looking before I can ease up here, or if anyone thinks it's worth risking exchanging it.

 

[10e]

Apparently with the newer Samsung monitors in question they have properly adjusted both calibration and overdrive to work better with the CMO, CPT, AUO panels.

The 226BW was a disaster in this regard because they did not make any changes internally. They basically just dropped in panels and didn't seemingly do anything to adjust to them.

I haven't heard much about this monitor but the AUO panel is the exclusively used panel, so I would assume they have designed the monitor's electronics properly around this panel.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: zod96
This would be on the samsung 2232GW

 

[LittleNemoNES]

For FEAR of my post not being noticed thanks to 10e :

Hey, xtknight: Will I be able to get by calibrating my NEC 2690 (and NEC 20WMGX2) w/ Spectraview II and an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT? Or should I go for the display 2 model? Everything I've seen online indicated that it is the same hardware -- different software. What do you suggest? Thanks

 

[10e]

LOL

I'll check the manual on PDF that came with my SVII-KIT and see if it has any specs listing calibrator support. It saves you about $100.00 over the regular hardware/software SVII-KIT if you can do that.

Regards,

10e

Originally posted by: gersson
For FEAR of my post not being noticed thanks to 10e :

Hey, xtknight: Will I be able to get by calibrating my NEC 2690 (and NEC 20WMGX2) w/ Spectraview II and an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT? Or should I go for the display 2 model? Everything I've seen online indicated that it is the same hardware -- different software. What do you suggest? Thanks

 

[zod96]

How is this LG monitor? I just saw it at bestbuy and it looked pretty good. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1201913867539

 

[jeff21]

Hiya... can't find much on the web about the NEC LCD3090WQX. PC connection says it's in stock at 2,172.66. Any word on this big fellah?

 

[infinitesadd]

All right. I've browsed this thread, and I guess I'm still torn on what to get. I do a lot of gaming (90% of the system's use), surfing the web, watching the occasional video. Now adn then i do some word processing.I do not watch movies on my pc, or do photo editing. I do occasionally do video editing. My budget is around $300 US. I currently have an old 17 inch Samsung Syncmaster 175v. It gets the job done, but I really want a wide screen.

I have read through the thread, but it seems my budget is limiting me to below what the BenQ G2400w costs, at least from what i've seen. Is my best bet to get LG (ranked #1 on gaming monitors)? Or something else? Also, have some concerns about ordering from Newegg (dead pixel policy), and nowhere but best buy seems to have the LG227WTG-PF (which would be cheaper online). So what is a place with a good return policy, and what monitor can get me the best bang for my buck and usage for 340 or under?

Also there were a couple samsungs I was looking at as well. Like the 216BW for instance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...E16824001236&Tpk=216bw

I also forgot one thing, For my workspace, I can't go any bigger than 24 inches (nor can my budget, but this might help).

 

[10e]

I couldn't find anything from the manual, but the software allows the following to be selected:

1) Gretag iOne
2) Monac Optix-XR (X-Rite DTP94)
3) Gretag SpectroLino
4) DataColor Spyder2/3

Hope that helps,

10e

Originally posted by: gersson
For FEAR of my post not being noticed thanks to 10e :

Hey, xtknight: Will I be able to get by calibrating my NEC 2690 (and NEC 20WMGX2) w/ Spectraview II and an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT? Or should I go for the display 2 model? Everything I've seen online indicated that it is the same hardware -- different software. What do you suggest? Thanks

 

[LittleNemoNES]

10e thanks for your help.
However, you misunderstood me: the hardware -- both the Display LT and the Display 2 -- is the same. The software calibration suite is the difference. I'm wondering if it is worth the price difference of one package over the other.
THanks again.

 

[10e]

I would get the SpectraView II package because it programs the monitor's internal LUT as well as creating a custom ICM profile specifically for the monitor. I am not sure if the other packages can do that, though they might be able to, if the monitor allows it.

I think the only difference in getting another package would be that you can use it with other monitors as opposed to SpectraView which will only work with the NEC monitors as far as I know.

Oh and to clarify further, my SpectraView II package came with the Eye One Display 2, if that aids you.

Hope that helps,

10e

Originally posted by: gersson
10e thanks for your help.
However, you misunderstood me: the hardware -- both the Display LT and the Display 2 -- is the same. The software calibration suite is the difference. I'm wondering if it is worth the price difference of one package over the other.
THanks again.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tasiin
I finally decided to check out some 22" TNs to see if I'd be any happier with one of those, but I haven't had much luck so far. I narrowed down my choices to the LG W2252TQ or Samsung 226BW since both have very low input lag and were thought to support at least a 75 Hz refresh rate without any frame skipping, and picked up the W2252TQ at Best Buy about a week ago.

I was not pleased with it at all however (I posted my thoughts here), and the Samsung 226BW has become nearly impossible to find since its discontinuation. The only store near me that still carries them is Circuit City, and they charge a 15% restocking fee on returns. Given the 226BW's panel lottery, it might not be worth bothering with.

Unfortunately, I think my Dell P992 CRT just bit the dust today so I'm now monitor-less and will have to find something quickly. It seems like my only options at this point in terms of LCDs are to either try the 226BW and take the restocking fee hit if I don't like it, a different 22" LCD, or possibly the 2007FP lottery if I get really desperate. The DoubleSight DS-263N is also a possibility if it ever comes back in stock, but I'm concerned about some of the reports of painfully high brightness levels, horizontal bands and the wide gamut.

If my experience with the W2252TQ is not typical of all 22" TNs, I think one of those might be my best bet for now. I don't need an incredibly good looking monitor, just something that's easy on the eyes and good for gaming/text that will tide me over until something better is released. It seems to me that a good quality TN should look better than my nearly six year old CRT did, anyhow. Many 22" panels also seem to support 75 Hz refresh rates, which is much better for gaming and a large part of why I became interested in them in the first place. However, I'm not sure what else I can try -- most of Samsung's new panels have copious amounts of input lag or other issues, the LG was awful, and many of the 22"s from other manufacturers are either very low end or relatively unknown. Hopefully someone will have some suggestions!

I recommend getting the DS-263N from somewhere where you can return it. I am afraid that's your only hope, but you might love it.

The problem is, LCD x has input lag and LCD y has ghosting and LCD z cost $700. You can't have the best of all worlds. Chances are, if you don't like LCD x or y that much you won't be that much happier with LCD z either.

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
Can someone give me an update on low input lag 19" monitors (Non WS)? I'm looking to get one.

I haven't seen any that I'd really want to recommend, based off the X-Bit Labs reviews. Since they don't test for input lag either, all you can really do is just assume. I haven't seen 19" LCD reviews anywhere except X-Bit in ages. 22" is the new 19", these days.

Try the 19"s in the OP. They're being discontinued left and right, though. The best hope is getting an LG 19" labeled 2 ms (gtg), but NOT 5 ms. The difference is bigger than it may seem based on specs. But in actuality the 5 ms ones are not that bad either.

Originally posted by: noname4
I got a samsung 2253bw that I am sending back for many reasons, I wont bore u with the long list, but to sum it up in one word, GARBAGE.

I need a quality 20in widescreen non glossy screen, smaller mostly for the lower pixel pitch. I am very sensitive to motion blur. I don't care at all about DC contrast.

I had a nec LCD1770gx that was rated at 8ms and never had a problem, but this samsung 2ms is horrible, I suspect panel make (CMO), and quality control issues from samsung.

Anyway I am now searching, and have found a couple that I am considering

NEC MultiSync LCD205WNXM-BK

LG L206WTY-BF

I don't know much about the LG, or what its color it is "rated" at.
I do know the NEC weighs 19lbs wile the LG is 10.1, the LG is 2ms, the NEC is 5. I guess it come down to what panels are in these, and internal build quality.

If anyone knows about these 2 please let me know, also If I have missed a good.

Thanks

Forgot to say I have also been looking at a HP LP2065 but don't know how bad the motion blur would be, It would be nice to have a non TN.

I would give the LP2065 a try. It uses overdrive (the NEC doesn't AFAIK). I really don't think the NEC LCD205 would be any faster but there actually aren't many good 20" widescreen choices out there.

 

[Demitre]

For those with the Benq G2400W, are any of you having problems to wake it up from sleep in Vista x64? I have a Samsung monitor on dual display, hooked up to the same card, and the samsung comes on just find after mouse movement, but the G2400W requires me to turn it off and then on again?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Josh7289
Please, explain refresh rates on LCDs. My LCD monitor can accept signals with vertical refresh rates up to 75 Hz, so I'm sending a 1280 x 1024 75 Hz signal to it right now. In my understanding, this means the monitor is receiving 75 frames every second, and is displaying those 75 frames every second (ignoring the fact that slow response time could make it difficult to pick out each of those individual frames). Am I correct in this understanding?

(I'll ask another question if I can get this cleared up... )

Yes, some can accept 75 Hz. If it feels smoother, then yours supports it. If it feels like you've had a few drinks, then it's safe to say your monitor is attempting to "upconvert" it to a "failsafe" mode, and it doesn't support true 75 Hz.

Yes, it is trying to show 75 fps but I'm not sure what happens when a transition can not complete in (1000/75) ms time. It is probably simply told to go to the next transition immediately, thus perhaps causing a blur or slight image corruption. But I've never had a problem with that. The 75 Hz on my VP930b works great.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

thanks again, buddy.

xtknight used both Spectraview and the software that came with the i1 Display 2 -- which is what I plan on doing too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: gersson
Hey, xtknight: Will I be able to get by calibrating my NEC 2690 (and NEC 20WMGX2) w/ Spectraview II and an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT? Or should I go for the display 2 model?
Everything I've seen online indicated that it is the same hardware -- different software.

What do you suggest?
Thanks

See here: http://www.necdisplay.com/Supp...Monitors/spectraview2/

GretagMacbeth Eye-One display V1 and V2, Eye-One Monitor, Eye-One Pro, and Spectrolino, Monaco OptixXR (X-Rite DTP 94), ColorVision Spyder2, Datacolor Spyder3.

I don't really know if it's "supported", but it might work. Even though it's the "same" hardware it can still have a different device ID. I would look for the USB ID it gives over the USB bus and then look this up in a database online such as http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids

I don't know about yours but my Gretag-Macbeth Eye One Display 2 reports 0971:2003 (VIDID). Also, product of "Eye-One display".

Tell me what it shows up as in Windows. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7068/devidnf3.png

If yours is the same then it's unlikely the software will be able to tell the difference, unless it has an identification function in the specs. Might be best to e-mail NEC or ask on somewhere like HardForum.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: 10e
Thanks Dashel,

I received my second unit last Tuesday. NEC service is beyond reproach!

I received a unit that fixed all the small issues I experienced with the first one (slightly loose panel at the top, various dead and stuck subpixels). No dead pixels or subpixels, no BLB, no issues whatsoever. For all intents and purposes it is PERFECT.

It took approximately 2 business days to have it shipped from Itasca in Illinois up to Toronto, as NEC Canada was out of stock. I have already shipped them back the original unit. I did not have any trouble getting the MRA "material returns auth." number from NEC once I mentioned that the panel creaked when I cleaned it with a soft cloth.

Right now I'm enjoying this monitor more than I thought possible. Coupled with my BenQ G2400W I have two extremely capable monitors (for their target markets).

The BenQ is mostly for PC and Xbox 360 (over HDMI) gaming, and the NEC for PC general use (including Photoshop where it excels) and PS3 games and movies. I can feel a very very small amount of lag with the NEC but I can't see it except in clone mode vs. the BenQ, but the BenQ is extremely low lag (basically zero), so it does not bother me.

I think I have a setup for the next number of years that I cannot be any less than fully satisfied with.

It is difficult to justify a large price premium for any product, especially one that may have features and abilities outside the normal realm of requirements. I do believe that, with the polarizer, the DS-263N must be a spectacular product for the price, simply because it uses the excellent LG 26" panel inside the NEC. It has controls to "de-saturate" the wide gamut, so you may still be able to adjust and calibrate the DS to your liking as well. That coupled with incredibly low input lag, makes this another excellent choice.

I think where the NEC excels over most monitors is the ability to internally calibrate it, the very good brightness and color adjustments, the excellent, high-quality scaler, and the "just right" number of inputs. It also has an immense number of options in the OSD, which is the best I've ever used on a display, period.


The only caveat to the NEC is in use with "interlaced" video as it does not support any interlaced resolutions (like 1080i) but that is a small thing IMHO, and I've hooked up my HD cable box to my BenQ without issue.

Not that I'm recommending a dual monitor config for everyone, but it has it's advantages (outside of desk space usage).

Regards,

10e

If you have one thing you miss when using the LCD2690WUXi for PC use, versus the G2400W, what is it? (assuming the G2400W still has an advantage or two)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: zod96
How is this LG monitor? I just saw it at bestbuy and it looked pretty good. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1201913867539

It's great, and as you can see I recommend it in the OP. It is a TN panel, but fast, and colors are surprisingly good for a TN. The G model at Best Buy is glossy I believe.

Originally posted by: jeff21
Hiya... can't find much on the web about the NEC LCD3090WQX. PC connection says it's in stock at 2,172.66. Any word on this big fellah?

The biggest discussion I've seen about this LCD has been at HardForum. But I don't know anything about it personally other than that it has an H-IPS w/ the same feature set of the LCD26 and wide gamut.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: infinitesadd
All right. I've browsed this thread, and I guess I'm still torn on what to get. I do a lot of gaming (90% of the system's use), surfing the web, watching the occasional video. Now adn then i do some word processing.I do not watch movies on my pc, or do photo editing. I do occasionally do video editing. My budget is around $300 US. I currently have an old 17 inch Samsung Syncmaster 175v. It gets the job done, but I really want a wide screen.

I have read through the thread, but it seems my budget is limiting me to below what the BenQ G2400w costs, at least from what i've seen. Is my best bet to get LG (ranked #1 on gaming monitors)? Or something else? Also, have some concerns about ordering from Newegg (dead pixel policy), and nowhere but best buy seems to have the LG227WTG-PF (which would be cheaper online). So what is a place with a good return policy, and what monitor can get me the best bang for my buck and usage for 340 or under?

Picking up the L227WTG from Best Buy seems like your best bet. AFAIK Best Buy's return policy allows you to return an LCD without paying a restocking fee. Just ask a rep.

Also there were a couple samsungs I was looking at as well. Like the 216BW for instance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...E16824001236&Tpk=216bw

I also forgot one thing, For my workspace, I can't go any bigger than 24 inches (nor can my budget, but this might help).

I don't know much about the 216BW so the LG is the only clear choice in my mind. If that's not suitable though let me know. I don't have anything else immediately popping in my head that's available locally as the L227WT is, though. The ASUS VW222u isn't AFAIK.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: gersson
Hey, xtknight: Will I be able to get by calibrating my NEC 2690 (and NEC 20WMGX2) w/ Spectraview II and an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT? Or should I go for the display 2 model?
Everything I've seen online indicated that it is the same hardware -- different software.

What do you suggest?
Thanks

See here: http://www.necdisplay.com/Supp...Monitors/spectraview2/

GretagMacbeth Eye-One display V1 and V2, Eye-One Monitor, Eye-One Pro, and Spectrolino, Monaco OptixXR (X-Rite DTP 94), ColorVision Spyder2, Datacolor Spyder3.

I don't really know if it's "supported", but it might work. Even though it's the "same" hardware it can still have a different device ID. I would look for the USB ID it gives over the USB bus and then look this up in a database online such as http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids

I don't know about yours but my Gretag-Macbeth Eye One Display 2 reports 0971:2003 (VIDID). Also, product of "Eye-One display".

Tell me what it shows up as in Windows. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7068/devidnf3.png

If yours is the same then it's unlikely the software will be able to tell the difference, unless it has an identification function in the specs. Might be best to e-mail NEC or ask on somewhere like HardForum.

Thanks a lot, man
As always: You are THE MAN!

I'm going to play it safe: bought the xrite display 2.
I have a friend who let me use the Spectra II software.

Given what 10e has said, I'm contemplating exchanging my 2690 for another model because it too came in with a loose panel @ the top.

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I recommend getting the DS-263N from somewhere where you can return it. I am afraid that's your only hope, but you might love it.

The problem is, LCD x has input lag and LCD y has ghosting and LCD z cost $700. You can't have the best of all worlds. Chances are, if you don't like LCD x or y that much you won't be that much happier with LCD z either.

Have you heard anything about how easy the oversaturation of standard gamut material is to correct on the DS-263N? Apparently it has a color saturation option in the OSD, and I haven't heard as many people complaining about the wide gamut on this monitor as on others so I'm assuming it's not too bad.

Not really sure whether I want to get the DoubleSight or try and find a TN I can live with until OLED or something better is available. A 22" with 75 Hz would still be superior for gaming, but the DS-263N should be immeasurably better overall. ToastyX at Hardforum said his DS-263N was capable of 68 Hz, but it caused some banding. It's probably not capable of 75 (at least without issues) which is really too bad.

On a somewhat unrelated note, do you know of any colorimeters that can match one display's colors to another without actually calibrating either to "perfect" settings? If so, is there any chance it could be done through just the monitor's OSD controls for the RGB balance and such without actually needing to create a color profile? It wouldn't need to be at all perfect, just somewhat close. I think I remember reading that the Spyder 2 with the Pro version software might be able to do this, but I wasn't sure if it'd need to make a profile or not.