[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Rur0ni
I've been shopping for a new gaming monitor, and it would appear I'm stuck with my 90GX2.

This 90GX2 can do 75Hz native, and it's a night and day difference in FPS (CSS specifically). The L227WTG apparently cannot do 75Hz at native resolution (according to zod96). Before pulling the trigger on the LG, I've tried putting my 90GX2 at 60Hz, and it's just awful to try and play a game. If I enable V-Sync, it's still rough movement looking. Plus added input lag. I've tried playing with rendering buffers, and it helps, but it's still a very faint input lag added. If I go back to 75Hz, and enable V-Sync, it's very very silky smooth, but again, a faint input lag is introduced because of V-Sync. Unplayable for FPS. Any twitch shooter that is. So in sum, I prefer no vsync, and 75Hz.

I'm worried if I order the L227WTG, at 60Hz I will be disappointed if it looks like the 60Hz on this 90GX2.

So basically, am I stuck with this until some new widescreens can handle 75Hz+ at native?

If you can't stand 60 Hz, then I guess so. But I find that hard to believe. I think you'd get used to it. You may have to if you want to upgrade at all later, because I don't think more support for 75 Hz is planned.

I think the 226BW (or maybe one of the newer Samsung 22"s) can do 75 Hz?

 

[zod96]

Ok here's the LG http://img402.imageshack.us/my...?image=dscn1524yc9.jpg]

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[yukit]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: yukit
I spent the last several days reading over 40 pages of this thread since I am looking for a new LCD to replace a 19" CRT monitor for a HTPC.
This will actually be a temporary replacement until I get a > 50 " LCD TV for the HTPC.
Here are my choices:
1. DS-263N -- looks like a really nice monitor. This will probably eventually replace my main PC with a 21" Diamondtron CRT.
2. Soyo Topaz S 24" -- specifically the refurbished MVA if they are still out there ~$200. It just needs to last 3-6 months.
3. Dell 2408WFP/Viewsonic VX2435/Samsung 245T -- reasonably rated, provides analog inputs for a better HTPC setup.

I also have a Gateway FPD2485W that I use with my main PC. The analog inputs (Tivo & VCR) are starting to be flakey. Fortunately, I have extended warranty so I can probably replace this unit with a FHD2400. If I ignore the analog inputs, which one is a better monitor? Does MVA vs TN panels make a difference in this case?

The ViewSonic VX2435wm could be a great choice for you if you desire inputs. Additionally, it's a little cheaper than the DS-263N and brighter/a tad more suited to multimedia. I would avoid the FHD2400 personally in favor of the VX2435 unless the VX really isn't an option financially.

Well, Newegg & Buy.com can't seem to keep DS-263N in stock , so I went with option #2, the refurb Soyo. It is cheap enough that if I ended up with a lemon, I would not feel so bad about it. As I said, it is a temporary HTPC monitor till I get a large LCD TV.

For my Gateway dilemma, it sounds like the FHD2400 is a definitely one to avoid. I guess I will have to find out if BB will replace with a different brand than a Gateway monitor.

 

[HuKuTo]

I own l226wtq and can run it @75hz through dvi at native resolution 1680x1050. There is quite a difference, when playing fps (first pers shooters), which can run at more than 60 frames per sec. ( cs, cs:s and other). In slow paced games or desktop use i can`t tell the difference. So here is the guide how for my l226wtq, but i think that other lg`s ( l227wt for example ) will also be able to run @75hz. To set the custom refresh rate i use powerstrip. The only problem is that "advanced timing options" menu in powerstrip works only with ATI cards and older nvidia cards. Newer nvidia cards use some algorithm within the driver and it`s not possible to change the refresh rate with powerstrip ( this was written on the nvidia forums). But feel free to try it and post the results here. The difference in 60 and 75hz in FPS is huge !

1)Download powerstrip from here. Install it. Remove it from the auto start up programs list ( start > run > msconfig > start up > uncheck "pstrip".
2)Start the program, enable the hotkeys and have restore adapter defaults hotkey binded!!! Default hotkey is ctrl+alt+s. It is very important to have hotkeys enabled !!! http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2970/hotkeyssi3.png
3)Right click on the icon in the taskbar > display profiles > configure > set the resolution to the desired one and refresh rate to custom timing. Enter advanced timing options and set the options as in this picture
http://img137.imageshack.us/im...384/refreshrateqn6.png
4)Change only the refresh rate hz. This values 75,056 75,156 76,009 and many other work with my l226wtq. Try them. If the lcd goes in stand by press ctrl+alt+s to swtich to default resolution and refresh rate.
5)If this exact values do not work with you you can try typing custom refresh rate value and click the arrow up/down without moving your mouse ! If the monitor goes in stand by mode click again without moving your mouse, so your pointer is again on the arrow. Repeat clickin untill the screen turns on.
If this doesn`t work press ctrl+alt+s for defaults again. If something goes wrong and you can`t bring the defaults back simple restart will do the job, because the program won`t start next time with windows. If you have not removed the program from the start up list the screen will go in stand by after every restart. Then you should enter safe mode and uninstall it!

Setting my l226wtq to refresh rate which is not supported by my lcd does not damage it. It simply goes to stand by, but please use this method at your own responsibility!
I`m thinking of buying l227wt, but i`ll be happy if some of its owners can post if he managed to set it @75hz, because as a cs freak, this is very important for me

 

[zod96]

I can set my L227WTG to 75hz in the nvidia control panel when setting up a custom resolution, but the OSD of the LCD still shows 60hz, so I have no idea if my display is running 75hz or 60hz since 2 are reporting two different numbers..

 

[HuKuTo]

Originally posted by: zod96
so I have no idea if my display is running 75hz or 60hz since 2 are reporting two different numbers..

If your monitor OSD is showing 60hz, then it`s running on 60. When i set my lcd the way I said in my previous post, the OSD is showing 75hz.

 

[zod96]

I have the newer nvidia drivers and I don't think powerstrip will work. And do you need it to be running all the time in order for it to run at 75hz if it worked?

 

[HuKuTo]

No, after you set your lcd to 75hz you can turn powerstip off. But you have to do it everytime you start windows.
edit: when you set powerstip to 75hz, you need only to start it and your lcd automatic will go to 75hz. If you want to run at 60hz, just don`t start powerstip. But it`s important to remove powerstip from the programs list, which start automatic with windows.

 

[Rur0ni]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Rur0ni
I've been shopping for a new gaming monitor, and it would appear I'm stuck with my 90GX2.

This 90GX2 can do 75Hz native, and it's a night and day difference in FPS (CSS specifically). The L227WTG apparently cannot do 75Hz at native resolution (according to zod96). Before pulling the trigger on the LG, I've tried putting my 90GX2 at 60Hz, and it's just awful to try and play a game. If I enable V-Sync, it's still rough movement looking. Plus added input lag. I've tried playing with rendering buffers, and it helps, but it's still a very faint input lag added. If I go back to 75Hz, and enable V-Sync, it's very very silky smooth, but again, a faint input lag is introduced because of V-Sync. Unplayable for FPS. Any twitch shooter that is. So in sum, I prefer no vsync, and 75Hz.

I'm worried if I order the L227WTG, at 60Hz I will be disappointed if it looks like the 60Hz on this 90GX2.

So basically, am I stuck with this until some new widescreens can handle 75Hz+ at native?

If you can't stand 60 Hz, then I guess so. But I find that hard to believe. I think you'd get used to it. You may have to if you want to upgrade at all later, because I don't think more support for 75 Hz is planned.

I think the 226BW (or maybe one of the newer Samsung 22"s) can do 75 Hz?

It's amazing really. I didn't know I could go to 75Hz. And I played with 60Hz for the longest time. Then I noticed I could enable 75Hz, and it was just eye opening. I cannot believe the difference.

In CSS, if I don't cap the FPS, I get several hundred fps (100-400), depending where and what's going on. Without v-sync, it's smooth... At 75Hz. If I drop down to 60Hz, no fps cap, it's somewhat jittery, a real visual difference compared to 75Hz. Enable V-Sync on 75Hz, and it's like oil slick smooth. But input lag. I imagine people can adjust to slight input lag, but not when you have to be super fast.

 

[Rur0ni]

Originally posted by: zod96
I can set my L227WTG to 75hz in the nvidia control panel when setting up a custom resolution, but the OSD of the LCD still shows 60hz, so I have no idea if my display is running 75hz or 60hz since 2 are reporting two different numbers..

I think I had this problem, I had to select a different mode under timing standard. GTF maybe. I just know, the monitor has to flash to change Hz, and if it doesn't flash on and off, it hasn't changed Hz. It wasn't changing for me for some reason, but I played with the timing standard and it worked.

Edit: If it doesn't show up in the thing, or flash your monitor, it still seems to write to the tray icon, so if you right click the nvidia panel tray icon, you should be able to change the Hz. I did this, then check the OSD, and it should be a higher Vertical Hz.

 

[rrm]

Does anybody know if the Samsung 2253BW is a good choice? I plan to use it mainly for gaming, web surfing and some 3d work. I can´t find reviews anywhere and the LG 227WT is not available

 

[zod96]

See that's the weird but, when I change it to 75hz it does flash. And windows reports the refresh rate at 75hz, but on the LCD OSD it still says 60hz

 

[zod96]

When an image appears washed out or faded what setting do you use to make it more crisp?

 

[xxceler8]

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[xxceler8]

Originally posted by: 10e
120hz is not a standard of video broadcast, it uses a processor to create "intermediary" frames.

I thought 120hz was just a refresh rate, and frame interpolation is something different. Because of the way its marketed, many people make this mistake. I believe you can have a 120hz refresh rate without inserting blank frames.

 

[xxceler8]

Originally posted by: xtknight

What features are you talking about that the G2400W has that the DS-263N doesn't? The BenQs are indeed well-rounded but I thought the DS-263N was also up to par in that regard; I'm not sure though.

Well, aside from the 120hz refresh rate, it has a lot of video processing functions, such as frame interpolation.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: xxceler8

Originally posted by: xtknight

What features are you talking about that the G2400W has that the DS-263N doesn't? The BenQs are indeed well-rounded but I thought the DS-263N was also up to par in that regard; I'm not sure though.

Well, aside from the 120hz refresh rate, it has a lot of video processing functions, such as frame interpolation.

I haven't seen anywhere where it said the G2400W supported 120 Hz, BFI (black frame insertion), or MPA (frame intercalation). I believe you mean the FP241WZ.

 

[xxceler8]

Yea it must be the FP241WZ I am refering to. Now, if that were an IPS panel, I would order it in a sec.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Hey guys I just picked up the LG 227WTG and am wondering where I might be able to find some profiles for the monitor color settings. I suck at modifying these.

The one thing I notice about having a widescreen is that it expands my field of vision from left to right. It makes looking at AT a bit more difficult because of the white background imho. I guess what I'm saying is the obvious: it expands the area in which you can be out of the 'sweet spot' for a TN panel and is more obvious on a widescreen. Love it for gaming though.

 

[chaohuei]

I'll admit that I've been rather lazy and haven't read any posts in this thread in a while, though I did read the ones from last summer and earlier.

Anyway, I'm looking to replace a school-use Samsung 170N with a 20"-25" LCD. I think I'd prefer a monitor that's more for multimedia, as I only really turn-based and real-time strategy games (And turn-based RPGs). I dabble a little in Photoshop, but more out of curiosity and hobby than anything close to professional-level work.

Ideally, I'm looking to stay under or around $600, but I'm not too sure if that's restricting myself too much.

Thanks!

 

[cracwarrior]

I bought the DS-N26 from Newegg last week. It has dot pitch of .287mm.

I want to build a triple-monitor display for flight sims (was going to go 3x 20.1" LG) and don't know how important it is to match the dot-pitch among the monitors. I will be viewing the screens from a distance 3 to 5 feet.

Other ISP panels are .255mm: LG 20.1"; HP2065; ?Dell2007wfp? $300-$600

22" monitors with .282mm: Acer v223wbd; HP2207h; Samsung T220; LG227WTG-pf $250-$350

19" monitors with .294mm: HP lp1965; $300

24" monitors seem to be in a panel lottery and are $450-$600. HP2408 can be .27mm or .282; LG245wp is supposed to be an MVA panel at .282mm but I have seen one at Best Buy and was unimpressed.


Is .255mm HP2065 to much of a mismatch or just to small of a dot-pitch from that distance?

Many, many thanks to Xtnight for an incredible job. 10e for your many insights and swift responses and all the others who make this an invaluable resource.

cw

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[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Hey guys I just picked up the LG 227WTG and am wondering where I might be able to find some profiles for the monitor color settings. I suck at modifying these.

The one thing I notice about having a widescreen is that it expands my field of vision from left to right. It makes looking at AT a bit more difficult because of the white background imho. I guess what I'm saying is the obvious: it expands the area in which you can be out of the 'sweet spot' for a TN panel and is more obvious on a widescreen. Love it for gaming though.

There's one here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2002685&enterthread=y

You might check HardForum for more.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: cracwarrior
I bought the DS-N26 from Newegg last week. It has dot pitch of .287mm.

I want to build a triple-monitor display for flight sims (was going to go 3x 20.1" LG) and don't know how important it is to match the dot-pitch among the monitors. I will be viewing the screens from a distance 3 to 5 feet.

Other ISP panels are .255mm: LG 20.1"; HP2065; ?Dell2007wfp? $300-$600

22" monitors with .282mm: Acer v223wbd; HP2207h; Samsung T220; LG227WTG-pf $250-$350

19" monitors with .294mm: HP lp1965; $300

24" monitors seem to be in a panel lottery and are $450-$600. HP2408 can be .27mm or .282; LG245wp is supposed to be an MVA panel at .282mm but I have seen one at Best Buy and was unimpressed.


Is .255mm HP2065 to much of a mismatch or just to small of a dot-pitch from that distance?

Many, many thanks to Xtnight for an incredible job. 10e for your many insights and swift responses and all the others who make this an invaluable resource.

cw

I would avoid 22" monitors since TNs may shift a lot in configs like that.

I have a 20.1" next to a 26", and I have to say it's not that bad. The main thing that bothers me is the height mismatch. I barely notice text size difference. So I say just go for the panel with the biggest height, which is the 20.1" standard HP LP2065. Plus you'll have three IPS panels that way. The size difference is only about 10%.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: chaohuei
I'll admit that I've been rather lazy and haven't read any posts in this thread in a while, though I did read the ones from last summer and earlier.

Anyway, I'm looking to replace a school-use Samsung 170N with a 20"-25" LCD. I think I'd prefer a monitor that's more for multimedia, as I only really turn-based and real-time strategy games (And turn-based RPGs). I dabble a little in Photoshop, but more out of curiosity and hobby than anything close to professional-level work.

Ideally, I'm looking to stay under or around $600, but I'm not too sure if that's restricting myself too much.

Thanks!

If you're willing to push that a little and spend $700 or so, the DoubleSight DS-263N is the indisputable champion. You'll have to wait until it comes back in stock, though. But talk about an upgrade. I think you'll be flabbergasted. (25.5")

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824185007&Tpk=ds-263n

If not that, the Dell 2408WFP is a decent choice. Keep in mind it may have color shifting, a lot more so than the DS-263N so I believe the DS-263N is worth the price.

 

[Rocketlucco]

Does anyone know anything about this monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009125

It's cheaper then the BenQ and it's glossy. I wonder how the quality stacks up though. It has nothing but great reviews from newegg so far