[Retired] The LCD Thread

[imported_Filbert]

Well it's my birthday today and what gift does my monitor bestow upon me? A row of stuck red pixels near the bottom.

I have one of the P-MVA 24" Soyo monitors and after I bought it my dad went out and bought one as well. After only two months his got a stuck row of red pixels near the top. Well mine finally joined his.

Does anyone know if this is a common problem or if there's a way I could fix it without sending my monitor in? I'd rather not risk getting a TN in return.

 

[BD2003]

Just picked up a dell E228WFP.

This is a horrible monitor, for one reason, and one reason alone - it seems to have some internal sharpening circuitry that you cannot turn off. Its basically the same thing as turning the sharpness level on your TV way up, where black text and other hard edges have little halos around them. Any display that does this has no right calling itself a monitor. Unbelievable.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
xtknight, ive made the decision to go for the Dell 2408WFP, but according to my company, i can get the Dell 2709W for the same price. I can still change the order from 2408wfp to 2709W. Ive read only one review of it (no more can be found?), on prad.de:

http://prad.de/new/monitore/te...8/test-dell-2709w.html

The monitor gets 'Very Good' as a result, apart from the size, is it any better then the 2408WFP? Both are the same price, which surprises me cause the 27'' is alot bigger. If it does have the same or better image quality, ill swap it for the 24'' dell, i mean, why not? same price, i only need to make space at my desk

Well, here's another review for you, from cnet.

I just bought this monitor myself ($849 -$212.25 [live cashback] -$8.50 [cc cashback] = $628.25) and I must say it's easily the nicest monitor I've ever experienced. Coming from a Samsung 204B and I couldn't be happier with the upgrade. Beautiful screen, lots of room for everything, and I can finally read text again (20.1" @ 1600x1200 makes for some tiny fonts).

Just a note, I haven't noticed the input lag they complain about in the review, maybe I just overlook it but it hasn't been an issue for me (played WoW and STALKER on it so far).

EDIT: And now all my friends are jealous, so it was totally worth it!

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: Denithor

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
xtknight, ive made the decision to go for the Dell 2408WFP, but according to my company, i can get the Dell 2709W for the same price. I can still change the order from 2408wfp to 2709W. Ive read only one review of it (no more can be found?), on prad.de:

http://prad.de/new/monitore/te...8/test-dell-2709w.html

The monitor gets 'Very Good' as a result, apart from the size, is it any better then the 2408WFP? Both are the same price, which surprises me cause the 27'' is alot bigger. If it does have the same or better image quality, ill swap it for the 24'' dell, i mean, why not? same price, i only need to make space at my desk

Well, here's another review for you, from cnet.

I just bought this monitor myself ($849 -$212.25 [live cashback] -$8.50 [cc cashback] = $628.25) and I must say it's easily the nicest monitor I've ever experienced. Coming from a Samsung 204B and I couldn't be happier with the upgrade. Beautiful screen, lots of room for everything, and I can finally read text again (20.1" @ 1600x1200 makes for some tiny fonts).

Just a note, I haven't noticed the input lag they complain about in the review, maybe I just overlook it but it hasn't been an issue for me (played WoW and STALKER on it so far).

EDIT: And now all my friends are jealous, so it was totally worth it!

Many thanks for your input, im considering either the 2408WFP or the 2709W.
I think both use the same panel? can you verify what panel it uses or cant consumers find out within the menu/backside of the monitor?

Also, 27'', that is really large, ive calculated its about 68cm, dont pixels look abit large in games when you run on 1600x1200 for example? like Crysis, there is no way my 9800GTX will run that game at 30fps @1920x1080.
The Cnet review gives only a 7,9, while the older 2408WFP gets a 8,5 there.... Strange as both are same panels basicly?

Anyway, the 2709W is a steal for 620 euro's, cheaper then the 800 euro's 2408WFP atm.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ati666
i just bought a benq e900w which has a native res of 1440x900, i would like to know what type panel it is using and what sort of dac does it have 6-bit or true 8-bit.

i am also using vista 64 with a 8800gts512 card using dvi, my question is how can i get 64bit color depth? if there is a way please tell me.
anyone, please

thanx

Your E900W is very likely 6-bit since it's a TN.

The 64-bit of Vista doesn't have anything to do with the 64-bit of color, since the former refers to the length of memory structures and alignments with code. I don't believe there is a standard for 64-bit color yet, but if there is, none of the consumer monitors would support it.

Medical displays (X-Ray, CT, MRI, etc) may have a connection or system to accommodate more levels of grayscale. The video cards themselves support, I believe, 10-bit color although there is no way to get this without special, very expensive displays and software.

Since all material on the web and games is currently 8-bit, there is not a benefit you could reap by using 10-bit here. You would have to be using special software that supports 10-bit color, which would mean radiological or scanned imaging right now.

I don't think 64-bit color exists, but currently we are really using 24-bit (excluding the alpha channel). Using 10-bit per channel would make this 30-bit or 40-bit after an alpha channel if you want to compare it to the current 24+(24/3) = 32-bit. I hope that makes sense. (There are currently three channels and the alpha channel is the same resolution as the R,G,B channels.) And the primary reason for the alpha channel is for shading and smooth transparency. But you could represent an ARGB (alpha+RGB) color in RGB (at least as accurately as it could ever be displayed) after calculation.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: hsbyl
the thing is, i'm only 16, and don't have a lot to spend
and from what I've read, don't VAs also have a bad angle view?
i game for fun, never competitively, and when i watch movies, i'll be sitting in a slight angle and at the most about 125(?) degrees angle
and what are PVAs? those seem expensive ><

VAs are probably overkill in your situation then.

PVAs are just a derivative of VAs. They are called patterned vertical alignment and are aligned slightly better than MVAs, which have more 'leaking'. Anyway, what that means is that PVAs have a slightly darker black, but not by much.

And there aren't any "regular" VAs (which I assume would be single domain) on the market right now so you just have to worry about the MVA and PVA types.

VA panels have a quick drop-off in accuracy in smaller angles. So maybe TNs would be better for you anyway. VAs will show a brighter image if you're way at the side, or shifting in the vertical plane a lot.

In essence, VA panels are slightly better than TNs but not in all cases, and for you it seems like TNs would be fine. I recommend VAs if you edit photos a lot (which requires greater accuracy) but not usually because they have a "slightly" better viewing angle for purposes like this.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
Many thanks for your input, im considering either the 2408WFP or the 2709W.
I think both use the same panel? can you verify what panel it uses or cant consumers find out within the menu/backside of the monitor?

Also, 27'', that is really large, ive calculated its about 68cm, dont pixels look abit large in games when you run on 1600x1200 for example? like Crysis, there is no way my 9800GTX will run that game at 30fps @1920x1080.
The Cnet review gives only a 7,9, while the older 2408WFP gets a 8,5 there.... Strange as both are same panels basicly?

Anyway, the 2709W is a steal for 620 euro's, cheaper then the 800 euro's 2408WFP atm.

Yep, it's really large, all right. But it's like they say: size does matter. :laugh:

Seriously though, I've played a few games on this thing at 1680x1050 and it scales really nicely (my vid card won't really handle 1920x1200 either...time for an upgrade). But WoW really looks amazing on a 27" at 1920x1200 (even if it is a slideshow in Shat). Talk about immersion...

It does look like they use the same model (albeit different size) for these two monitors. I can definitely tell you text is nice and sharp, no problems there. My girlfriend came in last night while I was watching Apollo 13 on HD DVD and she was blown away (she sat down and watched it, then complained that our TV downstairs [32" Sony Bravia] is worse quality on picture than the new monitor).

 

[leftheaded]

Originally posted by: xtknight
-----------------------------------------------
V. Recommendations
-----------------------------------------------

• 30": NEC MultiSync LCD3090WQXi, 2560x1600 (16:10)
  • Panel: WG H-IPS (LG.Philips LM300WQ5); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
  • Image Delay (rt+lag): ~2 frames
  • Specifications: NEC MultiSync LCD3090WQXi
  • HDCP Compliant: Yes
  • More Info: prad.de
  • Notes: H-IPS photo editing display without A-TW polarizer.
  • Price: ~$2,200 USD
• 30": Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC, 2560x1600 (16:10)
  • Panel: WG S-IPS (LG.Philips LM300WQ1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
  • Image Delay (rt+lag): 0 - 11.5 - 27
  • Specifications: Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC
  • HDCP Compliant: Yes
  • More Info: prad.de
  • Price: ~$1,399 USD
• 30": Samsung SyncMaster 305T, 2560x1600 (16:10)
  • Panel: WG S-PVA (Samsung LTM300M1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
  • Image Delay (rt+lag): 22 - 29.3 - 33
  • Specifications: Samsung SyncMaster 305T
  • HDCP Compliant: No
  • More Info: prad.de
  • Price: ~$1,300 USD

First, Great thread.. thanks for keeping it updated!!

One recommendation - It would be a huge help to people shopping for current 30" displays to be informed about the visual effect of the anti-glare coating used on all 30" IPS panels. Maybe just a quick note about it under the "More Info" or "Notes" bullets? Maybe also mention the "IPS Glow" effect since none of these have A-TW polarizers to prevent/mitigate it (just like it's listed for the 26" varieties LCD2690 etc...)

Personally, I never would have bought a 30" panel if I knew about the effects of the anti-glare coating; the IPS glow I can live with. Anyway, I think enough people refer to this thread that you'd save a lot of people a lot of time & money. Here's more info on the issue from ToastyX at hardforum

 

[Aggressor22]

An question about the 2709w, looking on tftcentral, the panel types used:

2709W : 27"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM270CS01)
2408WFP: 24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240CS05)

The 2709 has 'CS01', while the 2408 have 'CS05'. Does this mean the 2709 is infrior in technology? older?

According to this site:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q...=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nl

The CS05 has 400(Glare), while the 2709's panel doesnt. What is this glare thing?

 

[hsbyl]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: hsbyl
the thing is, i'm only 16, and don't have a lot to spend
and from what I've read, don't VAs also have a bad angle view?
i game for fun, never competitively, and when i watch movies, i'll be sitting in a slight angle and at the most about 125(?) degrees angle
and what are PVAs? those seem expensive ><

VAs are probably overkill in your situation then.

PVAs are just a derivative of VAs. They are called patterned vertical alignment and are aligned slightly better than MVAs, which have more 'leaking'. Anyway, what that means is that PVAs have a slightly darker black, but not by much.

And there aren't any "regular" VAs (which I assume would be single domain) on the market right now so you just have to worry about the MVA and PVA types.

VA panels have a quick drop-off in accuracy in smaller angles. So maybe TNs would be better for you anyway. VAs will show a brighter image if you're way at the side, or shifting in the vertical plane a lot.

In essence, VA panels are slightly better than TNs but not in all cases, and for you it seems like TNs would be fine. I recommend VAs if you edit photos a lot (which requires greater accuracy) but not usually because they have a "slightly" better viewing angle for purposes like this.

so then, what should i go with?
any recommendations?
i believe i currently have a matte,
which would you prefer? i dont really like my sisters laptop(which is clear)
can you give me some recommendations! thank you :]

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eddiebravo
Wow, this thread is HUGE. I am totally clueless when it comes to LCD's and this thread is a bit overwhelming so I'd appreciate it if you guys could help simplify things for me and make a few recommendations based on my needs. I am using a super old school samsung crt that is getting blurry, and while I was generally anti-LCD(for gaming reasons), it seems like they are the best choice now, even for gaming. So, I am looking for something that will provide the absolute best image quality for gaming(pretty much every type of game, but especially fps's like crysis, cs: source, cod4, etc.) and movies. How does widescreen work for older games that do not support widescreen(will they still work)? I'd prefer something in the 20-22inch range with a maximum budget of approximately $750. Thanks for any suggestions!

I recommend you read the section about Native Resolution and Scaling in the original post. Most games will support a mode that's satisfactory. I don't think you would be disappointed but there may be a few exceptions, check Wide Screen Gaming Forum. Depends on what "old" means.

This is a pretty high budget for a 20-22" monitor. You may as well stretch it and get the $800 S-IPS LCD2090UXi. There is nothing else I can think of that would be worth your money in this range at that size.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002137

This is a great LCD though. See here. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...20inch-5_17.html#sect0

Besides, it is standard aspect so you won't have to worry about widescreen problems.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, I am overwhelmed as well, I have been doing quite a bit of research, going on Anandtech's 24" LCD Review article, reading Custom PC UK, reading bit tech, etc, I'm somewhat in the dumps.

Here's what I am looking for: a 24" LCD that is not exorbitantly priced, yet not shitty looking when viewed from too far away, and works nicely for games. It doesn't need to have extra USB ports or anything, but something along those lines.

Any advice or help would be much appreciated.

I have to say the BenQ G2400WD is probably what you're looking for. TN image stability doesn't depend on distance, but rather angle.

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: prodavacho
I have always been happy with Samsung.

I have been looking on bit-tech.net, and they were discussing the Samsung 245T and they said

If you are serious about you shooters or indulge in online fragging to any significant extent, it seems that the 245T would sadly not be a good choice.

So I don't know what to think...I'm surprised it's harder to find a good gaming 24" LCD.

Any other recommendations, from 24" users or people in general who might willing to dispute this claim?

I am pretty sure this LCD had a very high input lag, so that's a correct assessment.

Originally posted by: zod96
Looking for a glossy screen 19 inch LCD, are their any? I know the Nec 90GX2 is one, but their impossible to find..

Check the Glossy LCDs Listing (Appendix E.) in the OP. That is all I know of for glossy LCDs.

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
xtknight, ive made the decision to go for the Dell 2408WFP, but according to my company, i can get the Dell 2709W for the same price. I can still change the order from 2408wfp to 2709W. Ive read only one review of it (no more can be found?), on prad.de:

http://prad.de/new/monitore/te...8/test-dell-2709w.html

The monitor gets 'Very Good' as a result, apart from the size, is it any better then the 2408WFP? Both are the same price, which surprises me cause the 27'' is alot bigger. If it does have the same or better image quality, ill swap it for the 24'' dell, i mean, why not? same price, i only need to make space at my desk

There's probably not much difference. Just pick the size you prefer.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
The only thing I don't like on TN panels is when viewing solid colors, the color on the top of the display is richer, darker than the color at the bottom of the display. I read where this was common to every TN display. It isn't a huge deal, but no matter what angle you view the display it, it will always be darker on the top than the bottom.

Other than, I find TN to be just fine for head on viewing. I am very, very, very impressed with my LG227WTG. BTW, I do believe NewEgg sells the matte version, whereas the B&M stores sell the glossy version. Also, I think the review that someone posted here from that international site reviewed the matte version of the 227 as well. Anyway, the gloss really makes for a rich gaming experience. Been playing HL2:EP1 & EP2 and have been very impressed. Feels just like a CRT, except no head-ache from refresh rate, and also it has perfect geometry.

Thanks for the review. I also find my 22" TN (L226WT) fine for most purposes. I suppose that people think 24" TNs are worse than the 22" ones for viewing angle.

Originally posted by: Filbert
Well it's my birthday today and what gift does my monitor bestow upon me? A row of stuck red pixels near the bottom.

I have one of the P-MVA 24" Soyo monitors and after I bought it my dad went out and bought one as well. After only two months his got a stuck row of red pixels near the top. Well mine finally joined his.

Does anyone know if this is a common problem or if there's a way I could fix it without sending my monitor in? I'd rather not risk getting a TN in return.

Originally posted by: BD2003
Just picked up a dell E228WFP.

This is a horrible monitor, for one reason, and one reason alone - it seems to have some internal sharpening circuitry that you cannot turn off. Its basically the same thing as turning the sharpness level on your TV way up, where black text and other hard edges have little halos around them. Any display that does this has no right calling itself a monitor. Unbelievable.

It's funny because people ask about this monitor all the time and I tell them to avoid it just because it's a Dell E series. But I didn't know it had that kind of trouble as well. Are you hooked up digitally or with analog? Hopefully you can get it solved or return it. It is sad to know that some people still can't make monitors right.

Originally posted by: Aggressor22

Originally posted by: Denithor

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
xtknight, ive made the decision to go for the Dell 2408WFP, but according to my company, i can get the Dell 2709W for the same price. I can still change the order from 2408wfp to 2709W. Ive read only one review of it (no more can be found?), on prad.de:

http://prad.de/new/monitore/te...8/test-dell-2709w.html

The monitor gets 'Very Good' as a result, apart from the size, is it any better then the 2408WFP? Both are the same price, which surprises me cause the 27'' is alot bigger. If it does have the same or better image quality, ill swap it for the 24'' dell, i mean, why not? same price, i only need to make space at my desk

Well, here's another review for you, from cnet.

I just bought this monitor myself ($849 -$212.25 [live cashback] -$8.50 [cc cashback] = $628.25) and I must say it's easily the nicest monitor I've ever experienced. Coming from a Samsung 204B and I couldn't be happier with the upgrade. Beautiful screen, lots of room for everything, and I can finally read text again (20.1" @ 1600x1200 makes for some tiny fonts).

Just a note, I haven't noticed the input lag they complain about in the review, maybe I just overlook it but it hasn't been an issue for me (played WoW and STALKER on it so far).

EDIT: And now all my friends are jealous, so it was totally worth it!

Many thanks for your input, im considering either the 2408WFP or the 2709W.
I think both use the same panel? can you verify what panel it uses or cant consumers find out within the menu/backside of the monitor?

Also, 27'', that is really large, ive calculated its about 68cm, dont pixels look abit large in games when you run on 1600x1200 for example? like Crysis, there is no way my 9800GTX will run that game at 30fps @1920x1080.
The Cnet review gives only a 7,9, while the older 2408WFP gets a 8,5 there.... Strange as both are same panels basicly?

Anyway, the 2709W is a steal for 620 euro's, cheaper then the 800 euro's 2408WFP atm.

Both the 2408 and 2709 use Samsung S-PVA class panels. They probably have very similar characteristics. High contrast, wide viewing angle, tad bit of color shifting, more input lag, wide gamut.

You should look into CNET's detailed reviews to reveal where the discrepancy lies.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Aggressor22
An question about the 2709w, looking on tftcentral, the panel types used:

2709W : 27"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM270CS01)
2408WFP: 24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240CS05)

The 2709 has 'CS01', while the 2408 have 'CS05'. Does this mean the 2709 is infrior in technology? older?

According to this site:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q...=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nl

The CS05 has 400(Glare), while the 2709's panel doesnt. What is this glare thing?

CS01 vs CS05 is just a revision. The 24" panel had to be fixed several times so it's at version 5. The 27" is still at version 1. But that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, the 27" version 1 could still be better. You just have to look at subjective reviews for that. All it is, is a model number.
400(Glare) probably means 4H Anti-Glare coating, and I can tell you for sure the 27" also has this. It is standard. Do keep in mind Dell anti-glare coatings can hazier than others.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: leftheaded

Originally posted by: xtknight
-----------------------------------------------
V. Recommendations
-----------------------------------------------

• 30": NEC MultiSync LCD3090WQXi, 2560x1600 (16:10)
  • Panel: WG H-IPS (LG.Philips LM300WQ5); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
  • Image Delay (rt+lag): ~2 frames
  • Specifications: NEC MultiSync LCD3090WQXi
  • HDCP Compliant: Yes
  • More Info: prad.de
  • Notes: H-IPS photo editing display without A-TW polarizer.
  • Price: ~$2,200 USD
• 30": Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC, 2560x1600 (16:10)
  • Panel: WG S-IPS (LG.Philips LM300WQ1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
  • Image Delay (rt+lag): 0 - 11.5 - 27
  • Specifications: Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC
  • HDCP Compliant: Yes
  • More Info: prad.de
  • Price: ~$1,399 USD
• 30": Samsung SyncMaster 305T, 2560x1600 (16:10)
  • Panel: WG S-PVA (Samsung LTM300M1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors
  • Image Delay (rt+lag): 22 - 29.3 - 33
  • Specifications: Samsung SyncMaster 305T
  • HDCP Compliant: No
  • More Info: prad.de
  • Price: ~$1,300 USD

First, Great thread.. thanks for keeping it updated!!

One recommendation - It would be a huge help to people shopping for current 30" displays to be informed about the visual effect of the anti-glare coating used on all 30" IPS panels. Maybe just a quick note about it under the "More Info" or "Notes" bullets? Maybe also mention the "IPS Glow" effect since none of these have A-TW polarizers to prevent/mitigate it (just like it's listed for the 26" varieties LCD2690 etc...)

Personally, I never would have bought a 30" panel if I knew about the effects of the anti-glare coating; the IPS glow I can live with. Anyway, I think enough people refer to this thread that you'd save a lot of people a lot of time & money. Here's more info on the issue from http://www.hardforum.com/showp...32721907&postcount=354">ToastyX at hardforum</a>

Thanks for the info. I will definitely incorporate glow/coating for these panels. For some of them, I simply don't know, but I do know Dell uses the hazy anti-glare coating on a lot of theirs.

Originally posted by: hsbyl

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: hsbyl
the thing is, i'm only 16, and don't have a lot to spend
and from what I've read, don't VAs also have a bad angle view?
i game for fun, never competitively, and when i watch movies, i'll be sitting in a slight angle and at the most about 125(?) degrees angle
and what are PVAs? those seem expensive ><

VAs are probably overkill in your situation then.

PVAs are just a derivative of VAs. They are called patterned vertical alignment and are aligned slightly better than MVAs, which have more 'leaking'. Anyway, what that means is that PVAs have a slightly darker black, but not by much.

And there aren't any "regular" VAs (which I assume would be single domain) on the market right now so you just have to worry about the MVA and PVA types.

VA panels have a quick drop-off in accuracy in smaller angles. So maybe TNs would be better for you anyway. VAs will show a brighter image if you're way at the side, or shifting in the vertical plane a lot.

In essence, VA panels are slightly better than TNs but not in all cases, and for you it seems like TNs would be fine. I recommend VAs if you edit photos a lot (which requires greater accuracy) but not usually because they have a "slightly" better viewing angle for purposes like this.

so then, what should i go with?
any recommendations?
i believe i currently have a matte,
which would you prefer? i dont really like my sisters laptop(which is clear)
can you give me some recommendations! thank you :]

Yes, I think the ASUS VW222u (order-able from Newegg) is a great choice (matte).

I'd probably prefer the glossy LG L227WTG-PF simply because glossy helps contrast.

 

[hsbyl]

ignore this ><

 

[hsbyl]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: hsbyl

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: hsbyl
the thing is, i'm only 16, and don't have a lot to spend
and from what I've read, don't VAs also have a bad angle view?
i game for fun, never competitively, and when i watch movies, i'll be sitting in a slight angle and at the most about 125(?) degrees angle
and what are PVAs? those seem expensive ><

VAs are probably overkill in your situation then.

PVAs are just a derivative of VAs. They are called patterned vertical alignment and are aligned slightly better than MVAs, which have more 'leaking'. Anyway, what that means is that PVAs have a slightly darker black, but not by much.

And there aren't any "regular" VAs (which I assume would be single domain) on the market right now so you just have to worry about the MVA and PVA types.

VA panels have a quick drop-off in accuracy in smaller angles. So maybe TNs would be better for you anyway. VAs will show a brighter image if you're way at the side, or shifting in the vertical plane a lot.

In essence, VA panels are slightly better than TNs but not in all cases, and for you it seems like TNs would be fine. I recommend VAs if you edit photos a lot (which requires greater accuracy) but not usually because they have a "slightly" better viewing angle for purposes like this.

so then, what should i go with?
any recommendations?
i believe i currently have a matte,
which would you prefer? i dont really like my sisters laptop(which is clear)
can you give me some recommendations! thank you :]

Yes, I think the ASUS VW222u (order-able from Newegg) is a great choice (matte).

I'd probably prefer the glossy LG L227WTG-PF simply because glossy helps contrast.

thanks a lot!
i've decided to buy the asus, since it was in my budget range
i was going to buy from newegg, but then total came out to be around 290~
i found a cheaper one at ZipZoomfly.com
i saved around 30~ dollars,
i really hope i didnt make a mistake on choosing a different merchant than newegg...
thank you for all your support
[/quote]

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: BD2003
Just picked up a dell E228WFP.

This is a horrible monitor, for one reason, and one reason alone - it seems to have some internal sharpening circuitry that you cannot turn off. Its basically the same thing as turning the sharpness level on your TV way up, where black text and other hard edges have little halos around them. Any display that does this has no right calling itself a monitor. Unbelievable.

It's funny because people ask about this monitor all the time and I tell them to avoid it just because it's a Dell E series. But I didn't know it had that kind of trouble as well. Are you hooked up digitally or with analog? Hopefully you can get it solved or return it. It is sad to know that some people still can't make monitors right.

Well, I got an serious discount on it, and the two dell LCDs I had beforehand E193fp (Analog) and 1905FP (Digital) did not have this "feature". I'm not really looking for hardcore color accuracy or .1ms input lag or anything, I just need a cheap, decent monitor. But artificial sharpening that I can't disable is over the line. This "feature" is present on both the analog and digital connection, and under certain circumstances, such as thin black text on a grey background, it's fairly outrageous. I've never in my entire life come across a *monitor* that has undefeatable sharpness. TVs? Sure. But monitors....no way.

I bought it with a desktop as part of a discounted package, so I think my exchange/return options are limited. Although now I'm quite wary that any Dell LCD I switch it for will have this "feature" as well, because its "sharper". All over the net I read "omg its so sharp"...now I know why.

 

[Aggressor22]

Many thanks xtknight, ive ordered the Dell 2709W with 25% off (624 euro's).
Should arrive on or before august 1 according to the status tracker.

 

[Denithor]

Aggressor, keep us posted on how you like your new screen.

I played some more last night with mine and I just cannot believe how much better it is than the old Samsung 204B I used previously. The larger field of view is just awesome!

 

[Aggressor22]

Originally posted by: Denithor
Aggressor, keep us posted on how you like your new screen.

I played some more last night with mine and I just cannot believe how much better it is than the old Samsung 204B I used previously. The larger field of view is just awesome!

Yes i will post my experiences here so people can read more about this screen, not much is known yet on this one. I will probaly like it as im on a Iiyama vision master pro 454 now (crt from 2002).

I dont care the color accuracy to be honest, i like the vividness of those wide gamut screens, even the Samsung 226CW which had many bad reviews, i loved the image quality when i saw it in a store, but i need full hd + 24'' or bigger and offcourse not TN.

I just hope this screen is as good or better then the Dell 2408WFP, cause its about the same price

EDIT:

Another thing to note on this site:
http://www.samsung.com/global/...609&partnum=LTM270CS01

Samsung specifies 1.074B(8bit+FRC) for the 2709w's panel, isnt FRC an cheap trick to get more colors? or is it a true 8bit panel+ that trick to improve even more on colors?

Another question, the bigger dotpitch versus the 2408, does that decrease the overall image quality? according to xtknights post, images will be less fine on a bigger dotpitch screen.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

 

[miken32]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I'd probably prefer the glossy LG L227WTG-PF simply because glossy helps contrast.

This seems to be your low-budget recommended monitor. I was looking at a Dell 2208WFP though. I notice the LG has a wider viewing angle of 176 degrees, but is otherwise similar. Is there a reason you like this monitor so much? Or on the other hand is there a reason you don't recommend the Dell? Thanks.

 

[Eadward1]

Hello,

I'm interested in recommendations for a 24" LCD for general use. I do digital photo editing, some video editing, and some other multi-media. Very light and occasional gaming. I'd like good color fidelity, ability to view off axis, and a good selection of inputs. Decent responsiveness but doesn't have to be the fastest given it's not for hard core gaming. I like the NEC 2490WUXi but would want more inputs, including HDMI.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

[grzequ]

Originally posted by: xtknight
But I would assume the WT-PF is of the same quality as its WTG counterpart. I say go for it. I am not sure about the return policies over there, maybe that "go for it" is a bit premature?

So, I've picked the 227WT and it has arrived today, I'm using it right now.

The screen itself is nice and I can almost say I like every single thing about it, but unfortunately there's a little thing (probably fixable) that is annoying me. I somehow cannot get rid of the red color everywhere.

That fEngine thing is being really weird to me, it changes brightness and contrast all the time for some reason, totally ignoring my settings. But when the fEngine kicks on (the screen gets really bright), my red color issues suddenly disappear.
This is really weird, I tell you, cause I seem to have no control over things at all.

Have used that forteManager tool? There's a picture used for balancing out the colors manually and I can't find any way to give those guys some nice and shiny faces. The faces remain red, no matter what I do.

Can you recommend me any good way to calibrate this screen? Or at least how to gain control over the settings.

EDIT: Damn, maybe it isn't the screen at all. The colors turn good everytime i open CCC (catalyst control center, a tool from ATI) and go bad everytime my resolution changes or I reboot the computer. So everytime I turn a game on, the colors turn pretty awful
I don't have any idea what's going on anymore.

 

[HorseFace]

Hrm I have the opportunity to grab a 24" BenQ G2400W, but I'm really in love with this new LG L227WTG. Will the BenQ show me anything better than the LG, or would I just be disapointed?