[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ky
I have a chance to get the old 2405 for $350... I haven't found it in the thread but is the 2405 a worthy 24" for gaming?

Yeah it's a pretty good choice actually, but it has input lag much like the 2407WFP. That input lag is unavoidable as long as you're not willing to spend mucho on IPS panels, or settle for viewing angles on TN panels.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ericinho
@ All with experience with a wide-gammut monitor:

I am actually curious how wide-gammut performs in practice... Is WG something to avoid if you use your computer for a broad range of activities (so watching movies, internet browsing, office work and administration) besides sRGB design work???

It's really not that bad for anything except editing sRGB work (even then, you can use profiles). I don't like it when people say wide gamut is bad for normal desktop use, because it most certainly isn't. Many web browsers offer the option of loading in a color profile to correct colors, and most other colors don't matter. I don't think that you will think they are that oversaturated.

There is simply more demand for wide gamut monitors and very soon, I believe that new sRGB monitors will cease to exist probably even in the photo editing sector. More software will incorporate better color management to deal with the "Wide Gamut Problem".

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: ericinho
@ All with experience with a wide-gammut monitor:

I am actually curious how wide-gammut performs in practice... Is WG something to avoid if you use your computer for a broad range of activities (so watching movies, internet browsing, office work and administration) besides sRGB design work???

I think the whole wide gamut thing is a bit exaggerated. If you do color-critical work, then it might be a problem, but I actually prefer it, especially in games and movies. For office work, I don't see how it would even matter, and for browsing you might notice that images are more saturated...but comparing my Planar (WG) to my Dell at work, I really don't see a huge difference when browsing except that reds are more vibrant, even though I think most of the extended gamut is greens and cyans (XT, please correct me if I'm wrong).

Ultimately, if it was as bad as certain people make it sound on HardForum, then why are all the new monitors wide gamut?

Wide gamut does offer a little more coverage in the reds, but considerably more in the greens and cyans. Check it out here (left: normal, right: wide): http://www.digitalversus.com/d...5&mo2=349&p2=3278&ph=7

That also means white will appear more green than you're used to, since the increase in green exceeds the increase in red.

 

[Centurin]

Yeah, I agree with the washed out look. It's weird because in games I don't notice it. I always set the gamma correction option in nhancer anyways to make sure it stays at 2.2. I have the settings pretty much where I like them atm. I have no regrets about the purchase.

 

[CampinKarl]

Hello, I'm also a first time LCD buyer for personal use. Mainly for online first person shooters like counter strike and such. With the information I collected from this site and others, my choices ultimately have come down to these two monitors:

VX2255wmb

L227WT

What caught my eye mainly about the vx2255wmb is it's ability to hit 85hz refresh rate while most LCD's can only hit a max of 75hz. I do know since all I've owned were CRTs is that 85hz and up had very smooth gameplay. I have also played on an LCD before and I remember there was a minor difference going from 60hz to 75hz. What I want to know is,

1. Should I just get the LG with 2ms response time over the 5ms Viewsonic since the LG is rated according to this buyers guide as number one for gaming.

2. Should I just get the viewsonic with the higher refresh rate or is it just really all about response time when it comes to gaming on LCDs?

I really would just like to limit that blurring affect when objects move fast or when your screen has to change when playing first person shooters. My previous experience was with the viewsonic vx922 and samsung 204b, lots of blurring with those monitors =/.

EDIT: I'm also considering this model
HP w2207h

Mainly because it comes with an HDMI port but would like to know how this would do for gaming as well.



Thankyou

 

[invincibul]

Hello, first time LCD buyer here.. Mainly gonna be using it for Gaming, Movies, Consoles(X360).. I'm a bit of a over the top gamer, sucking in all the latest games and stuff.. Problem is i'm stuck in India =(..

We've got LG, Samsung, ViewSonic, Dell, HP, etc here.. I'd been reading this thread for a while now and had narrowed down my choices to LG226WTQ, VX2255wmb.. Problem is, it seems L226WTQ and L227 are discontinued and unavailable here. I'm left with ViewSonic now. And how does Dell SP2208WFP fare against the ViewSonic? It would be great if someone did an apples to apples comparison of the above mentioned Monitors.

And if there are any other monitors in the market, please let me know.

Thank you.

 

[LeoM]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: LeoM
xtknight, many thanks for the advice. I have two further questions if you can help me on these:

1) I'm concerned about black point and dynamic range. Most of the photos I edit are architectural, which means lots of shadows, contrasty images, and detailed wood grain in closeups. I understand that LCD blackpoints in general can't equal CRT, but how do the black values and dynamic range compare between the LG L227WTG and the NEC 20WMGX2 in your experience?

The LG has a slightly lower actual black point (say the LG is about 0.20 nits, while the NEC is roughly 0.28 nits), but this is nearly irrelevant when you realize that the viewing angles of the LG will immediately crush dark details.

The dynamic range (ratio between actual white, actual black) is about the same when you look at it, but I think that the contrast (ability to distinguish one tone from another) is significantly better on the NEC because of the viewing angle.

2) Factory refurb is apparently my only option for the NEC. Am I likely to get a functionally "like new" unit going that route, or is that pretty much a gamble in the LCD market?

You are quite likely to get a "like new" unit, so it's a viable path. Obviously, there's always the possibility of risks but I don't think I had to tell you that.

I tested the L227 again paying close attention to dark details and it's true, just scrolling an image element from the top of the screen to the bottom changed the contrast ? at the top the dark details were crushed just as you said, and at the bottom the same element was significantly flatter and lighter than at the middle of the screen.

Well, that's unsuitable for accurate editing to say the least. How can I set correct levels if I can't tell what the real level is! Too bad, this LCD really does have gorgeous color.

Looks like I'll take a chance on the NEC refurb. At least the reseller has a 30 day satisfaction guarantee, and they pay postage.

Thanks again, I really appreciate your help.

 

[xiaobao12]

Hey guys,

Can you tell me if the Acer V223wbmd is a good monitor? I've searched most of the recommended sites in the guide and I can't really find any thing on it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009149

Thank you for your help.

 

[darXoul]

xtknight, how would you evaluate the 2690 as a gaming/allround use monitor? I'm still hesitating whether I should get it or the S-PVA Eizo S2431. In store, I didn't have the possibility to check a lot, just dead pixels and input lag in Windows/overall image quality. Subjectively, the 2690 felt slightly less laggy than PVAs, although IMO it's not an issue on the Eizo, and tests say lag on both monitors is around 2 frames. Do you think that without a hardware calibrator I'll be able to make the LCD display natural, not too oversaturated colors in sRGB apps (internet, games) and do you consider it a capable gaming monitor (FPS, RTS)?

I'd be coming from Samsung 226BW, 2ms TN panel. I've read your review but specifically, do you think 2690 is fast enough in games? You have the direct comparison to 20WMGX2 which is pretty much on par with the fastest TNs out there.

I'd simply get the Eizo (a bit cheaper, better contrast, finer pixel structure) but I'm a bit afraid of black crush and contrast shift in day-to-day use... The main factor that makes me want to get rid of my TN and never again purchase an LCD based on such panel is the crappy vertical viewing angle. If I find out PVA has a contrast shift even viewed directly from a center position, I'll go mad

 

[invincibul]

Guys, I've got my PC up and ready.. Only the Monitor is yet to be bought, could u guys gimme ur suggestions on the mentioned monitors and other suggestions, if any..

P.S. Could someone make a comparison of the VX2255wmb and the Dell SP2208WFP?

 

[suklee]

I still don't know what I am going to get... I am basically looking at this page (click on LCD from the drop down).

Asus 24" MK241H - Newegg - built-in webcam

BenQ FP241VW - Newegg

Samsung 2442BW - Newegg

Viewsonic 25.5" VA2626WM - Newegg

 

[M0RPH]

Guys, I'm looking for a glossy screen LCD that does not use a TN panel, any size. Anyone know of such a beast? I've had no luck finding one.

Like some others have been saying, I absolutely hate the vertical viewing angle issue with the TN panels.

 

[aramando]

I received an HP LP2475w yesterday. I had been very happy with it until I read on another forum about the pink tint towards the right of the screen which, now that I'm aware of it, is often very obvious. This forum is a particularly good highlighter of it, funnily enough, due to the very pale grey background of the posts. It probably won't be noticeable on most of my photos, but I'm not sure I can keep this monitor when it will display even some of my photos with a visible pinkish cast towards one side

I read somewhere else that this is something which can affect IPS panels in general, not just this LG one; is this true?

I've spent 18 months coming to a decision on a new monitor and I though this new HP was the answer to my problems, so I'm absolutely gutted I'm going to have to go back to the drawing board

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: laikinasis
Please help me to pick a 22-24" LCD....

The requirements:
1. sRGB only. That means no wide gamut (DELL 2408, Lenovo L220X and so on are out). I would use it with winXP, so major problems with colors on vast programs and I'd be forced to buy a wide-gamut supporting calibrator.
2. Decent response time + input lag (up to 40 ms). Fps gamer, but not hardcore.
3. DVI connection.
4. Good colors when calibrated. I have access to Spyder 2 calibrator.
5. MVA / PVA / IPS only. No TN.

My current search result (Europe, Lithuania):

BenQ FP241W / Z - discontinued.
LG L245WP-BN - discontinued. Found one left in a shop, but could not connect digitally (the view was shifted to the left and could not be corrected).
Viewsonic VX2435WM - discontinued.
Acer AL2623W - poor performance on every aspect.
NEC 2470WNX - don't know if discontinued, but major reports on poor homogenuity.
NEC 2490WUXi - very good, but USA only !
Samsung 245T - laggy, poor color quality.

Lacie 324 - wide gamut, though comes with a calibrator. Out.
Apple 23" - wide gamut. Out.
Lenovo L220x - wide gamut. Out.
DELL 2408WFP - wide gamut, A01 revision is still not in Europe, locally no one knows when or where should look for A01. Out.
HP LP2475W - wide gamut, although everything else is too good to be true ;/ Anyway, out.
Eizo - virtually insane prices. Out.

Sadly, there's no way to buy Hazro, Doublesight and Planar in our country.

Is the BenQ FP241VW available? It is not discontinued.

Also, HP LP2465?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: pdp76

Originally posted by: pdp76
Thanks for the reply, just to clear things up a little, the AL2051W is my wife's, I'm currently using a Dell 1703FP. Great little monitor, they don't make them like this anymore, but the problem is, it is "little", I'm dying for a little more desktop space nowadays.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions, I took a look at the PW201, it does look pretty decent. I'll definitely take it into account because the price is certainly right! If it's as good as the AL2051W, I'll probably get that one, do you think any stores still carry them so I can take a look in person? Those monitors are about 2 years old now.

Well I ended up finding a used 2007WFP for $225 and I'm so glad I got it because it turns out to be one of the S-IPS ones, woohoo! I've been reading about banding issues and whatnot about the 2007WPFs, can the S-IPS ones also exhibit banding? What's a sure way to test it for banding? Also, how can I find out which revision I have? (A2, A3, or A4?) I thought it would be printed on the sticker on the back but I can't seem to find any reference to revision.

You can test for banding with gradient test images ( try http://lagom.nl/lcd-test )

Revision is in the service menu, the instructions for which you can google. The revision may also be on the packing material somewhere or the back of the monitor?

Originally posted by: jlanza
Hey Guys I have been reading this forum trying to figure out which 24" monitor I should upgrade to. I currently have a dell 2005wfp and it has been a really great monitor. I feel like I can use the extra 4 inches now. Could anyone recommend a monitor that is similar (same or better brightness, contrast, viewing angle, etc) to this one but 24"s. When I bought this one Dell was the best top of the line and I was thinking of going with a 2408wfp, but after digesting all this board's information I don't know. Any suggestions of where to begin my search would be great!

Thanks

The LP2475W is the nearest equal because it's also IPS like your 2005. There do seem to be some minor problems with it, but I think it should be a great LCD regardless. Wait it out for reviews of the LP2475W. It's not all that more expensive than the 2408, and probably worth the extra due to the IPS panel.

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I just ordered my Planar from CDW yesterday, but found out today it was backordered so I won't get it until next week

Does the fact that it is backordered at CDW, and out of stock at other places like Amazon, indicate that a new model is about to be released? And if so should I cancel my order and wait?

It means they don't have enough stock, that's basically it. I wouldn't cancel if I were you: the PX2611W is a known good LCD and if they are indeed coming out with a new model we don't know if it will have more problems.

Originally posted by: LightningRider
Nice thread as usual you guys got here.

I see a lot of suggestions and opinions on 24" monitors.

But what about 27"? Are there any out there that are good for games as well as movies, general usage and programming (text)?

The Dell 2707WFP stands out as alright, but it will have some lag in games. The 26" IPS panels are a much better choice than the 27"s which are all S-PVAs (2707WFP, 275T+).

Originally posted by: laikinasis
Big thanks to darXoul. Now there's only 2 monitors I'm choosing from: Eizo S2431WSE and NEC 2470WNX. If the first one's input lag is less than 2 frames, we have a winner (I've inquired the global Eizo site about this, still waiting for an answer). If it's about 2 frames, I'm getting NEC.

I am also surprised how everyone is not aware of wide gamut problem. All I see is a bunch of happy users who think that DELL 2408WFP or HP 2475W are great monitors until the purchase, and after a while everyone's whining about oversaturated colors, finding there's no simple solution to that.

Wide gamut monitors work just fine for my uses. Most apps where wide gamut makes a difference provide the option to use a color profile, which does a decent job of gamut transformation. Most apps that don't look great in wide gamut. I am not sure about the crusade against wide gamut monitors but I continue to recommend them for all uses except when sRGB photo editing is the highest priority. Most colorimeters will work with wide gamut monitors fine, but I heard the Spyder 2 has some problems with WG monitors. The OP will be updated with this info.

Things like viewing angle and response time are noticed more than gamut on a daily use basis. How much the wider gamut appears depends highly on what colors you show. Sometimes there is not much difference, although solid bright colors tend to suffer the most. Like I said, many apps allow you to use color profiles.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: laikinasis
Updated information: Eizo S2431WSE, as officials in Eizo say, has an average of 16.5 ms input lag (1 frame) when used at native resolution (1920x1200) and 33 ms (2 frames) when used at non-native resolution. That's what I'm talking about Tommorow I'm hoping to order it

Tip: I wouldn't trust Eizo. They have advertised monitors with "low input lag" before and it turns out they had just as much as others. Besides that, they've engaged in many other deceptive practices like turning settings down on other monitors to make theirs look better.

Originally posted by: mostlyprudent
LCD advice for special circumstances:

I have a neighbor with very poor vision who needs help choosing an LCD. To see his computer he uses special software that magnifies the screen. Essentially, the software zooms in on an earea of the screen and enlarges it to fill the entire screen. As the mouse move to the edge of the screen, the view shifts to another portion of the screen. He also uses inverted colors (dark background light text). He says that he has tried some cheeper LCDs and they tend to be very blurry around the center of the screen when it is enlarged, like looking through a tunnel.

Any thoughts as to what would be most important? Response time, imput lag, viewing angle all seem likely subjects. I tested a free download trial of the software on my CRT and on an Acer AL2016wbd. On the Acer LCD everything looked blurred and fuzzy to me.

Isn't the magnifying software just like the Windows magnifier where it uses a linear resize? Or does it have a more advanced resizing algorithm?

I am not sure why it would look more blurry on an LCD, because LCDs are sharper than CRTs.

Response time, input lag, and viewing angle are almost certainly not the problem, but the sharpening chip in the LCD (if there is one), DVI/VGA, and contrast could be potential factors.

Do you have a link to this software or can you take a photo or describe the problem more accurately? Are you using the LCD at native resolution? It's most likely the software's resizing algorithm doesn't work well with LCDs. LCDs don't have the smoothing capabilities like CRTs due to the way the pixels are arranged, so it's possible that the faults of the resizing algorithm are showing through.

 

[invincibul]

xtknight, would you please help with my decision, I've got everything in place, only the monitor is needed..

Thanks in Advance =)

 

[invincibul]

Btw, i'm using a LG Flatron CRT now, so equivalent or better performing LCD equivalents would be welcome. Btw, which panels should I be looking at, since TN's have worst viewing angles..

IPS, MVA/PVA, etc?

Budget is NOT a constraint, only availability is.. .. Pls, give your suggestions at the earliest.. I'd have to inquire about the models' availability here..

Thanks again in Advance.

 

[Killy]

Hey xt, I'm back for some advice.

The 931BW you recommended for me is simply wonderful.

My parents are in the market to buy a LCD TV. Budget is unsure.

Can you point me out to some resources to start my research?

 

[LightningRider]

The Dell 2707WFP stands out as alright, but it will have some lag in games. The 26" IPS panels are a much better choice than the 27"s which are all S-PVAs (2707WFP, 275T+).

Cool, thanks for replying. I was considering the Dell Ultrasharp 2709W but now I've been thinking that 27" might not be the best idea in general since it might be a little big for my desk and I'm not so sure about a .303 pixel pitch either. I sit kind of close to my monitors so a large pixel pitch like that one might be a problem... Plus as you say almost all of them have lag.

So what are some of the top 26" or 25.5" viewable LCD monitors out there? I'm in Canada by the way if that makes a difference... it seems a lot of the good models are not available here often.

Gaming is important to me so that means as low lag as possible (maybe around 1 frame max or less) is also important. Aside from that, I'm interested in a sharp image with accurate colors as well as good contrast, image quality etc. Viewing angles are a good factor too but I as long as they are not TN viewing angles it should be fine. Price between 500-1000.

Much thanks to anyone who can answer my questions...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: CampinKarl
Hello, I'm also a first time LCD buyer for personal use. Mainly for online first person shooters like counter strike and such. With the information I collected from this site and others, my choices ultimately have come down to these two monitors:

VX2255wmb

L227WT

What caught my eye mainly about the vx2255wmb is it's ability to hit 85hz refresh rate while most LCD's can only hit a max of 75hz. I do know since all I've owned were CRTs is that 85hz and up had very smooth gameplay. I have also played on an LCD before and I remember there was a minor difference going from 60hz to 75hz. What I want to know is,

1. Should I just get the LG with 2ms response time over the 5ms Viewsonic since the LG is rated according to this buyers guide as number one for gaming.

2. Should I just get the viewsonic with the higher refresh rate or is it just really all about response time when it comes to gaming on LCDs?

I really would just like to limit that blurring affect when objects move fast or when your screen has to change when playing first person shooters. My previous experience was with the viewsonic vx922 and samsung 204b, lots of blurring with those monitors =/.

EDIT: I'm also considering this model
HP w2207h

Mainly because it comes with an HDMI port but would like to know how this would do for gaming as well.



Thankyou

Response time will make the most difference, so I recommend going with the LG. I can guarantee you it is a great gaming panel and a great overall deal.

The VX922 doesn't have that much ghosting though...so I'm not sure you'll notice much improvement, but that's as good as you can get for an LCD.

HDMI is generally pointless because DVI can be converted to HDMI. The HP is a good overall panel but the LG still edges it out.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: invincibul
Hello, first time LCD buyer here.. Mainly gonna be using it for Gaming, Movies, Consoles(X360).. I'm a bit of a over the top gamer, sucking in all the latest games and stuff.. Problem is i'm stuck in India =(..

We've got LG, Samsung, ViewSonic, Dell, HP, etc here.. I'd been reading this thread for a while now and had narrowed down my choices to LG226WTQ, VX2255wmb.. Problem is, it seems L226WTQ and L227 are discontinued and unavailable here. I'm left with ViewSonic now. And how does Dell SP2208WFP fare against the ViewSonic? It would be great if someone did an apples to apples comparison of the above mentioned Monitors.

And if there are any other monitors in the market, please let me know.

Thank you.

The ViewSonic will be faster than the Dell and it probably has more accurate colors. Dell's cheaper panels like the SP series are usually pretty low quality.

The VX2255wmb is quite a decent panel. It's not the fastest ever, but it's certainly a good-speed panel and it has good color. The ASUS VW222u is the only other thing I'd suggest over the ViewSonic, if that is available. If not, don't sweat it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: xiaobao12
Hey guys,

Can you tell me if the Acer V223wbmd is a good monitor? I've searched most of the recommended sites in the guide and I can't really find any thing on it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009149

Thank you for your help.

Unfortunately, I can't tell you any more about it, other than that it is a TN panel.

How good is it? No clue... but did you check out the recommended monitors?

The best value 22" is the Acer AL2216wbd.

Originally posted by: darXoul
xtknight, how would you evaluate the 2690 as a gaming/allround use monitor? I'm still hesitating whether I should get it or the S-PVA Eizo S2431. In store, I didn't have the possibility to check a lot, just dead pixels and input lag in Windows/overall image quality. Subjectively, the 2690 felt slightly less laggy than PVAs, although IMO it's not an issue on the Eizo, and tests say lag on both monitors is around 2 frames. Do you think that without a hardware calibrator I'll be able to make the LCD display natural, not too oversaturated colors in sRGB apps (internet, games) and do you consider it a capable gaming monitor (FPS, RTS)?

I'd be coming from Samsung 226BW, 2ms TN panel. I've read your review but specifically, do you think 2690 is fast enough in games? You have the direct comparison to 20WMGX2 which is pretty much on par with the fastest TNs out there.

I'd simply get the Eizo (a bit cheaper, better contrast, finer pixel structure) but I'm a bit afraid of black crush and contrast shift in day-to-day use... The main factor that makes me want to get rid of my TN and never again purchase an LCD based on such panel is the crappy vertical viewing angle. If I find out PVA has a contrast shift even viewed directly from a center position, I'll go mad

The 2690 has noticeable input lag during gaming, so it might annoy you if you're a hardcore FPS gamer.

If you're an average guy who plays at about 45 FPS with high settings, likes taking in the good graphics, and isn't too concerned with winning, then it will surely be fine for you.

I'd say the 2690 has three frames of lag because it's quite noticeable when it does happen. My tests did show that it lagged 2 frames twice more than it lagged 3, but it's still noticeable.

For most everybody I consider it a fine gaming monitor, but if you're serious about games then you'll have to steer clear of it.

You can use the profile provided on the CD or website to do gamut transformation. Without a calibrator you will not be able to fine-tune the gamma, which really is not necessary with the NEC.

The 20WMGX2 is noticeably faster than the 2690.

I find the shift of VAs quite annoying at times, so that would make my mind up to get an IPS. VAs have particularly sensitive shift with grays, but not much else.

 

[invincibul]

Thanks xtknight, will get back after inquiring about the ASUS, if not i'll dig in deeper.. The reason for my persistence is that I'll be using the LCD Monitor which I'm getting for a variety of purposes, like Watching TV, HD flicks, Playing the Xbox 360, PC, Mac(Hackintosh), etc.. I'll also inquire about HP, NEC, if they're available..

Thanks again. =)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Kai920
I still don't know what I am going to get... I am basically looking at this page (click on LCD from the drop down).

Asus 24" MK241H - Newegg - built-in webcam

BenQ FP241VW - Newegg

Samsung 2442BW - Newegg

Viewsonic 25.5" VA2626WM - Newegg

The VW is the only model I know, but it's a great choice *(VA panel).

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Guys, I'm looking for a glossy screen LCD that does not use a TN panel, any size. Anyone know of such a beast? I've had no luck finding one.

Like some others have been saying, I absolutely hate the vertical viewing angle issue with the TN panels.

The NEC 20WMGX2 was such a panel, but it has been discontinued.

The ASUS PW201 is a glossy VA panel as far as I know.

The Apple 24" iMacs include glossy versions of H-IPS panels. Not sure about the 20"s.

Other than that, there are none that I know of.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: aramando
I received an HP LP2475w yesterday. I had been very happy with it until I read on another forum about the pink tint towards the right of the screen which, now that I'm aware of it, is often very obvious. This forum is a particularly good highlighter of it, funnily enough, due to the very pale grey background of the posts. It probably won't be noticeable on most of my photos, but I'm not sure I can keep this monitor when it will display even some of my photos with a visible pinkish cast towards one side

I read somewhere else that this is something which can affect IPS panels in general, not just this LG one; is this true?

I've spent 18 months coming to a decision on a new monitor and I though this new HP was the answer to my problems, so I'm absolutely gutted I'm going to have to go back to the drawing board

This sounds like a defect. The LCD2490 doesn't have such a thing. But this is sad if it's really a serious problem. Call HP and see what they say about it?