[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

More info on differences between G2400WD and V2400W: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032779655

Allegedly the input lag hits 33 ms. http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...-v2400w-part8.html#Lag

I am thinking my cut-off for gaming should be 33 ms, but I am afraid that would just annoy people who want only 1 frame, for whatever reason. If you want my personal opinion on it, the V2400W will be a great gaming monitor.

I could change the rules to:

min: <=1frame
avg: <=1frame
max: <=2frames

And the V2400W would fit. I will do this because the gaming list is getting painfully short.

Originally posted by: dark2phoenix
Hello.

I'm also in the market for a 24" Display. I appear to always have the financial means when the monitors go EOL. I tried at Christmas to order a BenQ 241VW and ended up getting strung along till April when I finally canceled the order.

After trying to get caught up on this thread (it's August and new $$ from birthday) I eventually settled on the BenQ G2400WD which PCNation said they had in stock. I found out today that they actually don't and I'm afraid that I'm going to be going for another "we do expect to get them" ride because BenQ's own website doesn't seem to be selling them anymore.

I see that the guide hasn't been updated since July. Is that because there's a lull in the display market (or possibly xknight has a life )? I've got a Samsung 245BW at work and I like it. I see a few of them are still on sale at Amazon but I kept reading that the G2400WD is a better monitor.

Is there a current recommended list for 24" displays for gaming? I'm really interested in a display that can do 1920X1200 and works well for PC Shooters. I've got a Nvidia 8800GTX so I should be good for processing power at home.

Yeah, try the BenQ V2400W.

The guide indeed hasn't been updated, 90% because there are no monitors worth recommending and 10% because I've been too lazy to remove old models and update prices (this does take a lot of time and focus and I dislike that with Fusetalk I cannot simply update it from a price engine).

I've suggested the HP LP2475W to a couple people, but I'm not sure yet about putting it on the list because of supposed colorized uniformity issues. The DS-265W will probably go up soon, and the G2400WD will be changed to the V2400W. Additionally, the ASUS PW201 will be recommended. Eventually. The prices, hmmmmm..

Originally posted by: ninethirty
Yeah, I know that the G2400WD is highly recommended here and elsewhere, but I don't know exactly what sets it apart from other 24" TN panels -- is it just that it has been professionally reviewed, and most haven't, or is its panel really superior to others? I guess the TN monitors don't get quite the level of critical attention that the MPVA and IPS monitors get.

It's the successor the G2400W which was widely renowned and well-reviewed in all aspects like scaling and default color accuracy.

I emailed Benq sales to see if the G2400WD was likely to come back in stock, or whether it was discontinued; they referred me to the "presales" department at 1-866-600-2367. I have not called yet.
I've been waiting for a consensus on the new IPS monitors (HP LP2475w, DoubleSight 265w) but in the meantime I'm trying to gauge how much I'm giving up by going with a TN. Given the lack of unavailability of the G2400WD, I'm especially curious about the Acer P243WAid -- I like glossy screens, but there's just no professional reviews and I have no way to gauge whether it's inferior to the G2400WD in some way.
So all that is to say, I'm not much help. I think xtknight was waiting on a few more reviews on some of the recently released monitors before updating the list -- I wouldn't say it's a lull, rather we seem to be recently coming out of a lull. That, and he probably has a life.

Unfortunately, the latter is part of the problem. Gone are the days of singlehandedly looking through every HardForum thread grasping for a consensus on two LCDs released a week ago. I am still human ( well 90% ).

I don't put much priority on the list anymore because I think it's much more beneficial to have discussions here. That doesn't mean I don't update it, as I certainly do and will, but it is only a small complement to the forum we have here. It may take a little longer than usual for me to get around to it. I'll admit I have the time, but it's the laziness too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Araemo

Originally posted by: xtknight
The high end monitors are not going to better than the VX900. They will probably be a little slower. That doesn't mean it will be very serious and unless you're badly addicted to games, frankly you probably won't care about it or even notice it.

That surprises me.. but if that's the case... then I think I'm going to put my tax refund toward a DSLR instead of a fancy ass monitor...

If you think you fit into that category, then steer clear of it and get a TN panel instead.

I don't think the LCD2090 has as much input lag as the LCD2490. I'm not sure. It's a lot to spend for a 20" monitor, especially these days.

I'm definitely an avid gamer, but I'm also a digital photography buff, so I want the good color reproduction of the PVA/IPS (Seemingly particularly IPS) monitors as well.

Chances are, you either game or edit photos more. If you can't decide what's more important, then DSLR it is.

 

[bottl3]

Ok this seems like a dumb question but I read something that now makes me wonder.

I have two computers that each have 1 DVI-D out video port.

If I were to buy this monitor:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2...,2213483,00.asp

Would I be able to connect one computer to the DVI-D port and then the other computer to the HDMI port using a DVI-D to HDMI cable?

I was pretty certain this would work until I read this on about.com:

?In addition, while a monitor with a DVI connector can connect to a HDMI graphics port on the computer, a HDMI monitor cannot connect to a DVI graphics port on the computer.?

http://compreviews.about.com/od/video/a/HDMI.htm



Also anyone know of any good 22" - 26" monitors that have dual DVI in case this actually doesn't work?

 

[Ayim]

Hey everyone,

I'm looking for a good 24" monitor to get. I currently have a Sony 19" S-MVA Glossy monitor, and I'm planning on getting an TN monitor. I seen them in stores and I don't really see much difference besides the viewing angles, but I'm wondering about Glossy Vs. Matte, the reflection in my glossy has always bothered me but I have gotten use to it, and I heard matte screens have worse quality is this true? Oh, I was also wondering if my current 19" Sony monitor was Wide Gamut or not, I cannot seem to find out. It's model number is SDM-HS95P

Anyway I read through the monitor recommendations on the first page, and I've spotted a few, and some that weren't there that might meet my needs.

Mainly what I'll be using the monitor for is for watching movies and playing games. I play some fast FPS's, but watching movies are more important to me. (Note, I mostly watch anime though, also planning on installing a blu ray drive on my computer so I can watch HD Films)

These are the monitors I was looking at:
T240 / T240HD (HD version supposedly has high input lag)
Samsung 245BW
Samsung SM2493HM
G2400W / V2400W (Is there really any difference between image quality on these?)

My budget is around 400-500$ Which of these do you think would best fit me? Most of them arn't in my local stores so I can't check them out. If you guys know of any other good 24" please recommend them!

-ayim

 

[Araemo]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Araemo

Originally posted by: xtknight
The high end monitors are not going to better than the VX900. They will probably be a little slower. That doesn't mean it will be very serious and unless you're badly addicted to games, frankly you probably won't care about it or even notice it.

That surprises me.. but if that's the case... then I think I'm going to put my tax refund toward a DSLR instead of a fancy ass monitor...

If you think you fit into that category, then steer clear of it and get a TN panel instead.

I don't think the LCD2090 has as much input lag as the LCD2490. I'm not sure. It's a lot to spend for a 20" monitor, especially these days.

I'm definitely an avid gamer, but I'm also a digital photography buff, so I want the good color reproduction of the PVA/IPS (Seemingly particularly IPS) monitors as well.

Chances are, you either game or edit photos more. If you can't decide what's more important, then DSLR it is.

While I do game more, the color accuracy is a lot less subjective - if I'm sending pictures to people, or saving them for posterity, I'd rather the colors be balanced right when I finish editing them. I guess I should have bought that first-gen (IPS?) 2005fpw when I had the chance. ;P I still drool over it whenever I'm visiting the friend who has it..

I may make a compromise and get a second, smaller monitor, and just run dual-display.. one for gaming, one for photo editing. You seem to think that the VX900 is a pretty good compromise, but which is it weaker in, response time, or color reproduction?

Originally posted by: bottl3
Ok this seems like a dumb question but I read something that now makes me wonder.

I have two computers that each have 1 DVI-D out video port.

If I were to buy this monitor:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2...,2213483,00.asp

Would I be able to connect one computer to the DVI-D port and then the other computer to the HDMI port using a DVI-D to HDMI cable?

I was pretty certain this would work until I read this on about.com:

?In addition, while a monitor with a DVI connector can connect to a HDMI graphics port on the computer, a HDMI monitor cannot connect to a DVI graphics port on the computer.?

http://compreviews.about.com/od/video/a/HDMI.htm



Also anyone know of any good 22" - 26" monitors that have dual DVI in case this actually doesn't work?

HDMI is basically DVI + audio + content protection(Called HDCP).

If your video card supports HDCP-out, you can DEFINITELY hook up the monitor to the DVI port w/ a DVI-to-hdmi adapter. If it doesn't support HDCP-out, you can probably still hook up the monitor, but you won't be able to play HD content on vista on that monitor.

So, About.com is inaccurate, if not outright wrong.

 

[hishadow]

Any recommendations on upgrades from the NEC 20WGX2? I've been scouting the new HP 24" with H-IPS panel. Besides a larger screen surface, are there any pro/cons compared to the old NEC? My problems with the NEC, besides the faulty powerbutton , is lack of details in the lower part of a black-white gradient.

 

[dule1183]

All panels <a target=_blank class=ftalter...ter_lcd_panels.htm</a>http://gblcd.com/data_center_lcd_panels.htm

 

[suklee]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: FordGT
Here's a video showing what my HP w2207h does. Anyone ever see anything like this?

Notice when something light is placed under the green sub pixel it becomes brighter and then dims as soon as I remove the window from under it. It's located 2 1/2 inches down from the top near the middle on the screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UETE2kmI0k

Never seen it before, but it's probably because whatever addresses that column of transistors has a problem.

Originally posted by: Kai920

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Kai920
I still don't know what I am going to get... I am basically looking at this page (click on LCD from the drop down).

Asus 24" MK241H - Newegg - built-in webcam

BenQ FP241VW - Newegg

Samsung 2442BW - Newegg

Viewsonic 25.5" VA2626WM - Newegg

The VW is the only model I know, but it's a great choice *(VA panel).

That's great to hear... spec page says 25.5" Wide Color a-Si TFT Active Matrix.

The price is actually cheaper than the other choices so I was a bit "worried" - because it's larger than the others as well. I'll do a bit more research on the VA2626WM. (full specs)

The VA2626WM is a TN. (The VA at the beginning does not mean it has a Vertical Alignment panel.)

The FP241VW, does however have a Vertical Alignment panel.

Oh, whoops - I totally mis-read your response. I thought you were referring to the Viewsonic but in fact you were talking about the FP241VW

edit - wow, had no idea the FP241VW looks like this:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/7/benq-fp241vw.jpg

Microsite: http://benq.com/product/lcd/FP241VW/

I might just go for this. Looks a bit radical but hey it's what on the inside that counts...

 

[Chriz]

Anyone have the HP LP2275w (22 inch PVA panel)? Curious to know if the input lag/ghosting is bad in games.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: dule1183
All panels http://gblcd.com/data_center_lcd_panels.htm

That's pretty awesome. Thanks! Will be added to OP.

 

[darXoul]

Yesterday, after finally having seen all monitors from my potential purchase list, I decided to pull the trigger on the 2690WUXi. Good thing is that I was able to check input lag, backlight uniformity and dead pixels in store. I hope I'll be happy with it. Due to lack of spare time and the fact that I'm still waiting for my video card (280 GTX - BFG OCX and Zotac AMP! - canceled my orders since both are out of stock everywhere in PL; ordered eVGA FTW which should arrive tomorrow), I'll be able to test the NEC next week. I'll post my mini review this time for sure.

If I don't get the GeForce, I'll simply buy the widely available 4870x2, although I much prefer single GPU solutions.

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: xtknight
More info on differences between G2400WD and V2400W: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032779655

Allegedly the input lag hits 33 ms. http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...-v2400w-part8.html#Lag

I am thinking my cut-off for gaming should be 33 ms, but I am afraid that would just annoy people who want only 1 frame, for whatever reason. If you want my personal opinion on it, the V2400W will be a great gaming monitor.

I could change the rules to:

min: <=1frame
avg: <=1frame
max: <=2frames

And the V2400W would fit. I will do this because the gaming list is getting painfully short.

Do you happen to know whether the G2400WD has the same levels of input lag, or is it closer to the near-zero input lag on the G2400W? Some people have speculated that it's really just a V2400W with a different stand, so I was thinking it might -- I haven't been able to find any information on it myself, though.

I was considering trying the V2400W, but if that 33ms figure is accurate it's just a bit too high for me. All of the input lag measurements done on the V2400W so far have seemed to be wildly different from each other, so I don't know whether it is correct or not. If the G2400WD has less however, I think I'll wait for that to come back in stock before doing anything.

 

[nixter]

xtknight I have been looking for an good LCD for photography. I really only care about color depth being able to actually see the millions of colors. I will be connecting it to a Apple G5 along with a 19" Sony Trinitron CRT. I have narrowed it down to two but I also wanted your opinion on one you recommended for photography at the begining of this thread.

HP LP2065 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176053
NEC LCD2070NX-BK-2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002375
and the last one which you recommend as a budged photo lcd
ASUS VW222U http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236028

I also just found this one while looking around Newegg.com
NEC ASLCD24WMCX-BK http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002359
it seems to have a good viewing angle 178x178

I am willing to spend the extra coin for the top two but I really wanted to keep the cost down as much as possible so if the HP is good or just as good as the NEC let me know and if you have another recommendation that could work better please inform.

 

[suklee]

Originally posted by: Kai920
Microsite: http://benq.com/product/lcd/FP241VW/

I might just go for this. Looks a bit radical but hey it's what on the inside that counts...

So I went out tonight and got to see in person the G2400W, FP241W, FP241VW, and V2400W.

FP241VW: way too big for my liking. 70cm width. You'll need plenty of desktop space for this! Local price: $515

G2400W: Cheapest of the lot. Under $300

V2400W: Looked a bit better quality wise. $465

FP241W: $515 (same price as FP241VW). Liked the adjustment options - height, tilt, even rotation. After looking & comparing between this and the G & V2400, I decided to go with this but to my disappointment the shop had just "sold out"... a previous buyer checked two other FP241Ws which he rejected due to dead pixels. The FP series are being phased out, so I'm not sure if I will be able to find another one.

Bummer. The search continues...

 

[xtknight]

The OP has been updated (V2400W and PW201 now up), but the jury's still out on the 265W due to the severe dearth of reviews, and I'm waiting to see how the LP2475W uniformity issue pans out, although the entries for those LCDs have already been created.

 

[Ayim]

Originally posted by: xtknight
The OP has been updated (V2400W and PW201 now up), but the jury's still out on the 265W due to the severe dearth of reviews, and I'm waiting to see how the LP2475W uniformity issue pans out, although the entries for those LCDs have already been created.

Argh, so does this mean the V2400W is actually a better screen in image qualities and everything then the G2400WD? Because I realllllly hate the V2400W's look, and was hoping to get the G2400WD thinking it was the same, but just different stands.

 

[nixter]

In reference to my last post how do I tell if it has S-IPS if it isn't listed on newegg as S-IPS? Would viewing angle be a good reference point?

 

[Tofucube0]

Originally posted by: Ayim
Argh, so does this mean the V2400W is actually a better screen in image qualities and everything then the G2400WD? Because I realllllly hate the V2400W's look, and was hoping to get the G2400WD thinking it was the same, but just different stands.

From what i've been reading and seeing the V2400W isn't really better than the G2400wd, but the G2400WD is being phased out and replaced by the v2400w. The G2400wd has already been taken off of the Benq online store and its starting to get hard to find on the web. It bums me out because i wanted the G24000wd as well and the V2400W doesn't have the VESA mounting option i kind of want if i want to change the stand out or wall mount

It seems like finding a decent 24 inch monitor with a hdmi port at a good price is kind of hard.

 

[Ayim]

Originally posted by: Tofucube0

Originally posted by: Ayim
Argh, so does this mean the V2400W is actually a better screen in image qualities and everything then the G2400WD? Because I realllllly hate the V2400W's look, and was hoping to get the G2400WD thinking it was the same, but just different stands.

From what i've been reading and seeing the V2400W isn't really better than the G2400wd, but the G2400WD is being phased out and replaced by the v2400w. The G2400wd has already been taken off of the Benq online store and its starting to get hard to find on the web. It bums me out because i wanted the G24000wd as well and the V2400W doesn't have the VESA mounting option i kind of want if i want to change the stand out or wall mount

It seems like finding a decent 24 inch monitor with a hdmi port at a good price is kind of hard.

I thought the Benq store just got sold out of them atm, I heard there's a new shipment coming on Oct 20th.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: nixter
In reference to my last post how do I tell if it has S-IPS if it isn't listed on newegg as S-IPS? Would viewing angle be a good reference point?

Yes, the rules are as follows:

180/180 (5:1 or 10:1 contrast): IPS or VA-based
178/178 (5:1 or 10:1): IPS or VA-based
176/176 (5:1): TN
176/176 (10:1): VA, less likely IPS
<= 160/160 (5:1 or 10:1): TN

To get the contrast at which the viewing angle was calculated, you may need to look to the manufacturer's site. Or, plug in the panel at http://flatpanels.dk/panels.php of course.

 

[Paladin]

Originally posted by: Chriz
Anyone have the HP LP2275w (22 inch PVA panel)? Curious to know if the input lag/ghosting is bad in games.

I'd like to know that too. S-PVA 22", it's only $399

link

 

[Tofucube0]

Originally posted by: Ayim


I thought the Benq store just got sold out of them atm, I heard there's a new shipment coming on Oct 20th.

Where did you hear that? If its true that's great but it makes me wonder why they took it off of they're online store rather than just listing it as sold out. It also makes me wonder why they would release two monitors which are exactly the same but simply have a different shell.

oh well, heres to hoping that it becomes available on oct 20th

 

[StevenG]

I also was looking at the G2400WD, and am not impressed with the V2400W. I'm ready to drop the $$, just having a hard time finding a 24" monitor that meets my needs.

I'm looking to replace the 20" CRT on my gaming rig, so all I need is a 24 incher with very little or no input lag, and an HDMI port. Picture quality doesn't have to be stellar, just decent. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. But while there seem to be some 22" monitors with zero lag (e.g. LG L227WT), there are no 24's.

I want to reclaim some desk space and go widescreen, but I'm not ready to ditch my CRT for an LCD that has an average 15 ms lag (V2400W) - that's almost 1 frame. The ~1/2 frame lag (7.5 ms) of the Samsung 245BW is almost bearable, but still more than I'm willing to accept for now. A 7.5 ms response delay could easily be the difference between getting the kill or getting killed in an online game.

Don't the manufacturers know what a huge selling point this could be? None of them seem to tout input lag measurements. Seems like someone could release a zero input lag monitor, print "zero lag" and "made for gamers" logos all over the box, and they'd have a best-seller. Or do only a few of us even care?

 

[LightningRider]

For those considering a Samsung T260:

I recently bought one of these and I must say I am pretty disappointed by this monitor for basically one big reason - color. It seems that no matter what I do, I cannot get the monitor to show me an accurate mix of colors. Everything feels too blue on this monitor. Grays have a distinct blueish tint to them and some lighter shades of yellow are barely recognizable or not displayed at all. Basically, this monitor's colors are too cool. Putting the color settings to warm doesn't help much either. I just can't get rid of that bluish tint. Aside from that, the monitor is nice, though it could be a little brighter perhaps.

Either way I've decided this monitor is not for me, the coolness of colors bothers me too much so I am taking it back.

So now I'm back where I started - I need a monitor 24" - 27" that has the following:

- 24" to 27" as stated
- GOOD colors, contrast and brightness levels, no coolish tones or warm tones to them, something with enough accuracy so I'm thinking maybe it has to be a S-PVA or S-IPS panel
- Something that can be played with fast moving action games without any noticeable input lag or ghosting
- Easy to read text
- Good viewing angles are nice but not a necessity
- Price would be nice to have between 500-1000ish

Here are needs separate from the actual monitor itself:

- Something readily available in Canada
- Prefer something where a good warranty is available with it (like from Dell.ca or Futureshop etc)

I've been eyeing the Dell 2709W 27" LCD but I hear it suffers from really bad input lag (3 frames average), same with the 24" equivalent.

It just seems really hard to find a monitor that meets all of my needs. Basically, something with good colors/contrast/legibility and a solid gaming panel at the same time. And usually when I do find something, it's extremely hard to find in Canada or not available at all.

I really need you guys to push me in the right direction! Thanks a ton to anyone who can help me...

 

[Paladin]

^
Did you look at the new HP 2475w? It's an IPS panel, and supposedly good response times.

link