[Retired] The LCD Thread

[LightningRider]

I think that I have the HP 2475 at work or something similar, though I will just confirm the model number tomorrow... And the colors on it are very good.

I can't seem to find the HP 2475w on the HP Canada site though... Only the HP 2475. I wonder if they're the same?

EDIT: NVM, it seems they don't have the 2475w on the Canadian site. Only the 2465, which is the model I believe I have at work. I found the 2475w for sale in stock on a site they list as a suggested seller but I was kinda hoping to buy directly from HP for the extra warranty... I wonder if they will put the 2475w on the Canadian site soon?

 

[darXoul]

2465 is PVA, 2475 is IPS. I'd wait and get the IPS model. According to reviews, it has (as typical for IPS panels) good colors, fantastic viewing angles, very good blacks for an IPS, good response time and, unless you're a hardcore Quaker squeezing out every FPS (+) and ms (-) out of your rig, also very decent input lag (1-2 frames).

You have to consider some things though:

1. This monitor does have some issues like greenish tint on white to the left of the screen and pinkish tint to the right, plus some users report very bad text sharpness. Check the thread on Hardforum. When buying it, test it and RMA until you get a good unit, if necessary.

2. It doesn't have a polarizer so viewing darker tones from angles will reveal a milky, shimmering "veil" on the screen. Black only stays black (especially in a dark room) when viewed straight on. Not dramatic but good to know, I guess.

3. It's a wide gamut monitor so in order to get decent colors, you'll have to calibrate it or at least play around with its settings. Otherwise, colors WILL be oversaturated in general use (movies, games, internet), especially red. It can be handled though and it's far from a deal breaker IMO.

I was looking for a similar monitor myself, and I got the 2690WUXi, but it's more than twice as expensive here as the HP.

Oh BTW, if you can get the 2490WUXi for a decent price in Canada (I don't know whether it's available but I guess it is), go for it. It's still probably the best allround 24-incher on the market. I'd have gotten this one but it's unavailable here in Europe so I got its larger brother with wide gamut (2490 is normal gamut).

 

[Blackfirevatsal]

Guys could you tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming.

 

[LightningRider]

Originally posted by: darXoul
2465 is PVA, 2475 is IPS. I'd wait and get the IPS model. According to reviews, it has (as typical for IPS panels) good colors, fantastic viewing angles, very good blacks for an IPS, good response time and, unless you're a hardcore Quaker squeezing out every FPS (+) and ms (-) out of your rig, also very decent input lag (1-2 frames).

You have to consider some things though:

1. This monitor does have some issues like greenish tint on white to the left of the screen and pinkish tint to the right, plus some users report very bad text sharpness. Check the thread on Hardforum. When buying it, test it and RMA until you get a good unit, if necessary.

2. It doesn't have a polarizer so viewing darker tones from angles will reveal a milky, shimmering "veil" on the screen. Black only stays black (especially in a dark room) when viewed straight on. Not dramatic but good to know, I guess.

3. It's a wide gamut monitor so in order to get decent colors, you'll have to calibrate it or at least play around with its settings. Otherwise, colors WILL be oversaturated in general use (movies, games, internet), especially red. It can be handled though and it's far from a deal breaker IMO.

I was looking for a similar monitor myself, and I got the 2690WUXi, but it's more than twice as expensive here as the HP.

Oh BTW, if you can get the 2490WUXi for a decent price in Canada (I don't know whether it's available but I guess it is), go for it. It's still probably the best allround 24-incher on the market. I'd have gotten this one but it's unavailable here in Europe so I got its larger brother with wide gamut (2490 is normal gamut).

Hey thanks for the big reply.

Yeah I'd rather get the 2475w if I can. I would maybe get the NEC 2490WUXi as well but it is kind of expensive. The only places I've seen it have it for over $1000+. I'm not a graphic artist but I do appreciate good color, especially for web development work that I do, which does include some stuff in Photoshop sometimes. But I also appreciate clear text for the same reasons... And then there's gaming as well.

I was reading that thread on the hardforum that you were talking about. If I understand correctly, the greenish/pinkish tint on white to the sides of the screen only occurs on defective models. Same goes for the blurry text. I read the review on tftcentral for this monitor and they said that text was pretty clear, they didn't mention anything about the tints on the side of the screen either so I assume it is only on defective models.

The issue with viewing darker tones from angles doesn't really bother me, I'm sure it will be much better than TN panel viewing angles anyways.

For the color calibration, I don't mind playing around with the colors and I read on tftcentral that this monitor has one of the best color reproduction once it's been properly calibrated as you said. So I guess I can't complain that much.

The only thing is I wish HP's Canada store had this on their site, instead of having to buy from a 3rd party retailer, especially if some users are reporting defective units. Playing LCD lottery worries me a bit because I know the shipping could be expensive if I have to keep sending them back till I get a good one... But even if I do buy it 3rd party retailer it still comes with 3 year warranty...

Anyways, I'm not sure. I hate the thought of getting a lemon...

 

[LeoM]

I'm posting this for any photo buffs who like me have little to spend right now on hardware. If you can pick up an NEC 20WMGX2 from a vendor with a good return policy, or even used if you can check it out first, give it a shot. This LCD is a real treat, and compares favorably to my NEC FE791 Diamondtron CRT.

Budget constraint made any 24"> IPS-variant LCDs out of the question. But I found a refurbed NEC 20WMGX2 and based on info from this thread (thank you xtknight) bought it. This after testing an LG L227WTG extensively, and all I can say is ... wow. I can move my head around and the gamma doesn't shift. :sun: From any angle. In fact nothing shifts, no tinting at all unless viewed from nearly parallel to the screen.

I wanted glossy because the matte screens look flat to my eye, which is why I even tried a TN panel at all -- the LG L227 is glossy, plus wide-gamut. (But the screen stability -- forget it.) I am just accustomed to the CRT depth I guess, and this NEC 20WMGX2 looks for all the world like a widescreen version of the NEC FE791 tube. I don't have a colorimeter yet, but based on gamma, gradient, and contrast images, I can say that visually at least, the dynamic range and gamma adherence can be adjusted very close to the accuracy of the Diamondtron. Running it in Native mode, basically all I did was tweak the gamma with a custom curve, set the contrast at 45, and brightness at 25. Greys look subjectively true and are visible down to 2,2,2 and up to 254,254,254 (very faintly). Some gradient banding at contrast 45, very minor, hardly worth mentioning.

When I get the cash to upgrade, without a doubt it's going to be another IPS panel, unless new tech comes along that provides even better screen stability.

 

[M0RPH]

Guys, there's a deal on a 24" non-TN LCD that some of you may be interested in.

It's the SVA (Sylvania) 2400w which can be had at CompUSA for $280 +ship, or $260 after Paypal rebate. Text

It has been confirmed to use an MVA panel, specifically CMO-M240J1-L02. You can find more info about the deal in this thread: Text People that bought the LCD seem to be happy with the image quality.

The most interesting thing to me is that some people are reporting that the monitors they received have a GLOSSY screen panel. Others are reporting that they received a matte anti-glare screen. I've been looking for a large (22-24") non-TN glossy panel and this would be the first that I know of, if it is actually being manufactured as a glossy screen. I'm not sure why only some people are getting the glossy screen, maybe the manufacturer switched from matte to glossy or vice-versa and there are units out there with both panels?

Anyway, I will most likely buy one soon in the hopes of getting the glossy screen version. I'll post again here after I get it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ayim
Hey everyone,

I'm looking for a good 24" monitor to get. I currently have a Sony 19" S-MVA Glossy monitor, and I'm planning on getting an TN monitor. I seen them in stores and I don't really see much difference besides the viewing angles, but I'm wondering about Glossy Vs. Matte, the reflection in my glossy has always bothered me but I have gotten use to it, and I heard matte screens have worse quality is this true? Oh, I was also wondering if my current 19" Sony monitor was Wide Gamut or not, I cannot seem to find out. It's model number is SDM-HS95P

I believe this is an old model, so it would be normal gamut.

Matte panels don't have inherently less quality. Glossy ones can increase the perceived contrast of your screen, though. For me, the extra contrast outweighs the reflections by a good amount.

Anyway I read through the monitor recommendations on the first page, and I've spotted a few, and some that weren't there that might meet my needs.

Mainly what I'll be using the monitor for is for watching movies and playing games. I play some fast FPS's, but watching movies are more important to me. (Note, I mostly watch anime though, also planning on installing a blu ray drive on my computer so I can watch HD Films)

These are the monitors I was looking at:
T240 / T240HD (HD version supposedly has high input lag)
Samsung 245BW
Samsung SM2493HM
G2400W / V2400W (Is there really any difference between image quality on these?)

My budget is around 400-500$ Which of these do you think would best fit me? Most of them arn't in my local stores so I can't check them out. If you guys know of any other good 24" please recommend them!

-ayim

I recommend the V2400W, but if that's unsuitable for some reason, the 245BW. The V2400W is good on all aspects though.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Araemo
While I do game more, the color accuracy is a lot less subjective - if I'm sending pictures to people, or saving them for posterity, I'd rather the colors be balanced right when I finish editing them. I guess I should have bought that first-gen (IPS?) 2005fpw when I had the chance. ;P I still drool over it whenever I'm visiting the friend who has it..

I may make a compromise and get a second, smaller monitor, and just run dual-display.. one for gaming, one for photo editing. You seem to think that the VX900 is a pretty good compromise, but which is it weaker in, response time, or color reproduction?

The VX900 is definitely weaker in color reproduction but stronger in response time since it's a TN panel. Maybe keep your VX900 around for gaming and use something else for photo editing? Not too shabby of a concept is it?

Originally posted by: hishadow
Any recommendations on upgrades from the NEC 20WGX2? I've been scouting the new HP 24" with H-IPS panel. Besides a larger screen surface, are there any pro/cons compared to the old NEC? My problems with the NEC, besides the faulty powerbutton , is lack of details in the lower part of a black-white gradient.

The LCD2690WUXi is basically "the" step up (or the LCD2490WUXi). The HP LP2475w is also a good idea but I'll have to see how the uniformity problems pan out on that model before I recommend it.

The HP 24" is wide gamut, while the NEC 24" is not. The NEC 26", however, is wide gamut.

All these other panels will be better than the 20WMGX2 and doing the extremely dark tones. (Even my L227WT is better at that.)

Originally posted by: Tasiin

Originally posted by: xtknight
More info on differences between G2400WD and V2400W: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032779655

Allegedly the input lag hits 33 ms. http://prad.de/en/monitore/rev...-v2400w-part8.html#Lag

I am thinking my cut-off for gaming should be 33 ms, but I am afraid that would just annoy people who want only 1 frame, for whatever reason. If you want my personal opinion on it, the V2400W will be a great gaming monitor.

I could change the rules to:

min: <=1frame
avg: <=1frame
max: <=2frames

And the V2400W would fit. I will do this because the gaming list is getting painfully short.

Do you happen to know whether the G2400WD has the same levels of input lag, or is it closer to the near-zero input lag on the G2400W? Some people have speculated that it's really just a V2400W with a different stand, so I was thinking it might -- I haven't been able to find any information on it myself, though.

I was considering trying the V2400W, but if that 33ms figure is accurate it's just a bit too high for me. All of the input lag measurements done on the V2400W so far have seemed to be wildly different from each other, so I don't know whether it is correct or not. If the G2400WD has less however, I think I'll wait for that to come back in stock before doing anything.

I usually get the data from prad.de or DigitalVersus, but neither has data on G2400W vs G2400WD.

I think that people make way too big of a deal about this input lag thing. I just don't buy into it that much until it hits 3 frames or higher (48ms+).

As long as people claim to notice 2 frames though that's just going to have to be the cut-off. My opinion doesn't factor into this and I keep it separate from the actual data as much as possible.

I wouldn't hesitate at all to recommend any TN panel to a gamer. I have never heard of a TN panel feeling laggy, although reports of VAs being laggy are rampant. IPSes are usually in the middle somewhere. But the notion that a TN will lag a lot is a bit crazy.

Just remember that those who report the lag are also human. They will try to convince you that you feel it, and start a crusade against it maybe because they are the only ones who actually notice it. But don't go into this thinking you will notice 33 ms of input lag. I'd wager that it's extremely rare it will affect your performance, unless you are at the top of competition in a fast-paced game like Quake 3. There aren't many games that fast anymore. In fact, DigitalVersus has reported the L227WT as 27 ms of lag avg(40 max), and the LCD2690 (reported as 33 ms or 48 ms) feels considerably slower. A lot of these measurements are downright inaccurate. (prad however reported the L227WT to be 0 frames, which I believe to be the case.) Why do I have it in the OP? Because people want to see numbers regardless of what they mean, how it will affect them, and how accurate they are.

I think that you will be very happy with the V2400W.

All we know for certain is that TN panels have a consistent reputation of being fast and great for gaming. There are almost no exceptions to that. VA panels have a reputation of being slow and exhibiting ghosting in darker transitions, as well as having input lag. Most IPS panels are a little faster than VAs. Why? We have no idea. And IPS panels don't have the darker transition problem. Why that happens is something to do with the crystals turning slower at lower positions but faster at the higher ones. Sometimes they are "pretilt" to fix this a little but I am not sure how that works or the consequences.

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I usually get the data from prad.de or DigitalVersus, but neither has data on G2400W vs G2400WD.

I think that people make way too big of a deal about this input lag thing. I just don't buy into it that much until it hits 3 frames or higher (48ms+).

As long as people claim to notice 2 frames though that's just going to have to be the cut-off. My opinion doesn't factor into this and I keep it separate from the actual data as much as possible.

Well, I was initially concerned about it because I know from experience that ~30ms is noticeable to me. I had an LP2065 for a while which was noticeably laggier than a Dell 2007WFP or my CRT -- it wasn't by a huge amount at all, but I could detect it without testing the input lag with a camera (which I later did, and found it had about 30-40ms). It's probably something I could live with, but I'd be disappointed just the same if it was significantly laggier than the older G2400W while offering very few advantages.

I think you may be right about the numbers on prad and DigitalVersus being bogus, though. 10e stated that there was hardly any difference between it and his G2400W in his review at Hardforum, and another user's pictures showed next to no discernible lag. I'd guess that the true number is probably somewhere between 5 and 20, but prad's 33ms just seems off.

One last question for you: do you have any idea how a modern 5ms 24" TN like the V2400W's ghosting would compare to an overdriven 2ms TN, or an IPS panel like the 20WMGX2 (which was quite fast)? I know it has an overdrive option, but some people have said that it causes noticeable artifacts. I'd hope that it's at least faster than a 2007WFP or LP2065 without it enabled, which both displayed just enough ghosting to bother me a little.

Thanks again for your help!

 

[suklee]

I finished my search and got the Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW. Cost me US$360, and I am quite pleased with it. Color reproduction is improved over my Dell 2208WFP.
thanks to xtknight and others who posted their questions!

 

[Ayim]

Is the V2400W a budget monitor? I mean like, out of all the other TN panels out there, is it one of the best? I don't want to get a budget monitor and regret it later on. As someone said (forgot who lol) Monitor is one of the items that don't get upgraded every other year, so I'll be keeping it for a while. Does 400$ for a TN 24" Sound about the right price? I know the high end 22" tns are around 300$

 

[hedgehog87]

I've been reading this thread for a couple of months trying to decide what monitor I want for when I go back to uni (next week). I'm in the UK, so am not blessed with the very cheap prices that you seem to be getting over the pond.

I have been able to find a G2400WD for around £250 (approx $460) and was wondering if it was worth going for that or spending a little more for a Samsung. I can't tell if you are recommending the Benq as it's reasonably priced in the USA, or if it is also a high quality monitor. Also, how far can the G2400WD be tilted downwards as I like to watch movies from my bed, which is slightly lower than the height I'd be sitting at my desk?

Also, thanks a lot xtknight for all your input in this thread!

(ps I will be using this monitor for casual gaming / movies)

 

[ChargerBolts]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the forums and am in the market for a 24" monitor. I'm going to use the monitor mainly for programming and similar office related work, but am also interested in hooking up a playstation 3 to the monitor for some gaming. I originally was looking at the TN panels for their price, but it seems that PVA and IPS are the way to go. My main concern with hooking up a console to a monitor with a 1920 x 1200 resolution is the scaling to 1920 x 1080. It seems like the HP L2475w is a good monitor based on TFT Central's review, but they also said it had poor color out of the box. I understand that almost all monitors need to be calibrated, but with the limited research I've done on colorimeters, they run about $200 for a somewhat decent one. Any ideas, or monitors with some decent color out of the box? $650monitor + $200colorimeter is a little high, has anyone heard of the Lenovo 2440x monitor (not out til end of Oct)?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Considering pulling the trigger on HP's 8-bit H-IPS 24" LCD, the $650 LP2475W due to the Dell 2408WFP A01 being a lottery (since people seem to be getting the inferior A00 still)

Few Questions:

• Would this monitor be worse (as far as lag goes) for first person shooters than my current PVA panel, the Dell 2001FP?
• Does it have 1:1 pixel mapping?
• Is it glossy? (it does not appear to be based on a review that I read)
• I assume that it has less input lag than the Dell 2408WFP A01 since it is IPS instead of VA?
• Any major vendor in the US selling it for MSRP or less?
• Are there two different models of the LP2475w? CDW has one for $759.99 and another one for $629.99 and they appear identical...

Thanks!

 

[LightningRider]

I'm pretty sure that the HP2475w has more lag than the Dell you have since I think it's a TN but the average lag is only around 25ms which is IMO not that bad and probably not noticeable unless you are super picky about those things.

It does have 1:1 pixel mapping.

95% sure it's not glossy.

As I said before, it only an average input lag of around 25ms, which is pretty decent, I know there are a lot of complaints about the Dell input lag, which is why I didn't go with a Dell.

Not sure about the US but I know that it was very hard to find one in Canada, HP had only one vendor listed for Canada on their site. I ordered mine from there this afternoon at $750 CDN after taxes and shipping. I wish I could have gotten it at a local store since I always feel more comfortable if I can just directly bring it back to the store, but I guess if you want a good quality monitor you have to go outside of Futureshop and BestBuy... It's too bad though, store warranties rock. At least HP still gives you a 3 year warranty on this monitor. The only catch is that you have to ship it back to them if something goes wrong...

They are not different models, just one is listed with a promotional price and the other is regular price.

I ordered this monitor this afternoon I have been following it very closely in the huge thread on www.hardforum.com. Some people complained about difficulty reading text, while others had no issues whatsoever. Some resolved their text issues by tweaking gamma settings and ClearType. Others talked about having slight color temperature differences on different sides of the screen, again, others did not. And still others complained of slightly greenish tints to the left and slightly pinkish tints to the right of the screen when viewing full white backgrounds... while again others said they had no issues. Some sent their monitors back to HP for a replacement and the replacements did not have these problems. So I don't know, I'm just hoping I don't get a lemon when I receive mine... I really don't want to send it back.

 

[gsa]

xtknight/other elite members/experienced users

REALLY need your help. am not technologically very literate. i currently have a 24" IMAC. i needed a second monitor and got the 26" westinghouse - it is terrible in every way, except how it looks when switched off it suddenly goes blank when I am working, then comes back in 2-3 seconds - very irritating. anyway, i plan to return it.

i use my computer primarily for surfing the web and using word/excel.

i love LOVE the apple display. can you please recommend just 1 or 2 monitors that meet the following criteria:
-24-26 inches
- works out of the box (I do not understand most of the color calibration/gamut etc etc issues that so many users on this forum discuss)
- price preferably not more than 700 area (+/- 100)
- is like the IMAC (why does it take apple to make a perfect display, at least perfect to me)
- minor preference it can pivot (not a dealbreaker)

I have spent hours reading this forum and hardforum - think I am even more confused now - first i thought the DS265w is perfect, then the LP2475W, then the planar. Anyway, can you please recommend 1/2 monitors for me.

thanks much

 

[LeoM]

xtknight, now that I'm using the NEC 20WMGX2 I'm noticing that it gets fairly hot after a half-hour or so, as has been reported in this thread. In one post you mentioned that you might put a cooling fan on yours, don't know if you did or not, but I'm thinking seriously about doing that.

The lower 2/3 of the rear monitor housing is much cooler to the touch, and the heat is concentrated really in the uppermost 3 inches of the case. I'm thinking that heat builds up in that zone due to the small size of the ventilation slits at the top rear, and also because there are no vent slits at the bottom -- only along the sides. With the end result that there is not enough airflow through the case, and hot air concentrates at the top.

A small exhaust fan mounted up there would alleviate this. Do you think there is any risk of damaging the panel by introducing (slight) forced air flow through the case, and are there any other considerations? Or is the heat at the top even anything to worry about .. I gotta admit I'm a little paranoid about babying this thing, since it's only under a refurb warranty.

 

[Blackfirevatsal]

Guys i want to buy a monitor, So could anyone tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming & watching movies. My usage is in 60:40 ratio for gamimg & watching movies.

 

[Orodreth]

NOTE for those in the market for a colorimeter...

Amazon has the EYEONE Display 2 for $175 (free shipping). This thing is $220 at Newegg.

There was a note from 2 buyers that got the LT instead, but that was months ago so I figured it would be fine, especially buying from Amazon themselves who have a pretty good return policy. Got mine this week and its the Display 2 (not LT). Read many reviews and this one seems the be the best functional quality and lowest price. The only thing this lacks is the diagnostic bar chart that you get in the pro version. Other than that, it supposedly has everything else in the software (its actually same hardware as Pro version too)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

 

[palouse]

Uhg! Severe analysis paralysis headache, here. Requst some help and simple advice.

Need additional monitor. Used for gaming, occasional DVD movies from computer and N64/Wii/360Xbox, even homework. Alternatively, writing code and reports, or surfing the web. House does not have a TV. Limited space and budget, 20-22" preferred over most 24". Tough to find short-list monitors in local retailers. Room light OK for glossy panel.

Must Have:
Good text viewing.
Widescreen.
Rich, vibrant colors, no washed out blacks or tinted whites.
Very nice to have:
Wide angle viewing - nicer to view movies, and share monitor with game consoles.
Component In for Wii monitor and other non-HDMI devices.
Adequate gaming response time.

Budget? Well, if I can get 2 good monitors for the price of one great monitor, then I will likely buy good. $200 to $350. (Possibly buy 3 monitors over course of next year.)

Primary question: "Will I get better results from very current TN technology or 2.5+ year old P/MVA technology for about the same price?" Do the latest TN panels give as good of viewing experience as the older P/MVA?

ASUS PW201 20" 8ms Widescreen is "old" technology, 6 bit P/MVA, has the functional features I want, and from very old reviews colors and text are good with decent response time. It was a pricey monitor, in it's day. $210 A/R.

LG L227WTG-PF 22" 2ms Widescreen is latest/greatest Wide Gamut TN. Rave reviews on picture quality, ignoring TN view angle issues. No component in. $280 or so. I assume best TN picture quality available for the price.

Now, I just read in this thread about sources for "refurbished NEC 20WMGX2". (Ow! Headache!) All the features of PW201, but "better". (Ow!)

ASUS MK221H has stats similar to L227WTG-PF, sans Wide Gamut, I assume. $230 A/R. Gets me closer to preferred budget.

Monitor must last 3-4 years, so I am trying to get best features/quality for the budget. Boys are satisfied using 3 year old 4:3 17" Jetway AVIDAV M1731D-F (12ms), so the they are not that sophisticated regarding response time. Wonderful monitors for the intended purpose, and still are. I use a laptop panel, and am going to a separate monitor; maybe AvidAV, maybe new. I have RTFM'd, (and my head hurts.)

Also ran: ASUS PG221H 2ms $350; SAMSUNG TOC T200HD 5ms $320; NEC ASLCD22WMGX-BK 5ms $281.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: nixter
xtknight I have been looking for an good LCD for photography. I really only care about color depth being able to actually see the millions of colors. I will be connecting it to a Apple G5 along with a 19" Sony Trinitron CRT. I have narrowed it down to two but I also wanted your opinion on one you recommended for photography at the begining of this thread.

HP LP2065 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176053
NEC LCD2070NX-BK-2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002375
and the last one which you recommend as a budged photo lcd
ASUS VW222U http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236028

I also just found this one while looking around Newegg.com
NEC ASLCD24WMCX-BK http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002359
it seems to have a good viewing angle 178x178

I am willing to spend the extra coin for the top two but I really wanted to keep the cost down as much as possible so if the HP is good or just as good as the NEC let me know and if you have another recommendation that could work better please inform.

Yes, the LP2065 is definitely a good idea much like the NEC. But, the ASLCD24 is a bad choice (TN). The VW222u is TN and has a good gamma curve, but I can't guarantee that with the ASLCD24.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: StevenG
I also was looking at the G2400WD, and am not impressed with the V2400W. I'm ready to drop the $$, just having a hard time finding a 24" monitor that meets my needs.

I'm looking to replace the 20" CRT on my gaming rig, so all I need is a 24 incher with very little or no input lag, and an HDMI port. Picture quality doesn't have to be stellar, just decent. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. But while there seem to be some 22" monitors with zero lag (e.g. LG L227WT), there are no 24's.

V2400W should meet these needs fine.

I want to reclaim some desk space and go widescreen, but I'm not ready to ditch my CRT for an LCD that has an average 15 ms lag (V2400W) - that's almost 1 frame. The ~1/2 frame lag (7.5 ms) of the Samsung 245BW is almost bearable, but still more than I'm willing to accept for now. A 7.5 ms response delay could easily be the difference between getting the kill or getting killed in an online game.

The typical 10ms response time could be the difference as well yet most people don't care.

Don't the manufacturers know what a huge selling point this could be? None of them seem to tout input lag measurements. Seems like someone could release a zero input lag monitor, print "zero lag" and "made for gamers" logos all over the box, and they'd have a best-seller. Or do only a few of us even care?

As much as I wish LCDs did not have input lag, I have to say that those who really care are in the minority. I don't care. But, I don't play games anymore either. There are very few games anymore where even 30 ms would be the difference between life and death. That only is true if you are playing very fast-paced games. For RTS, Battlefield-like shooters, STALKER, etc it's not going to matter much. Most games that are really fast paced are older (say Quake 3/promode), and you should probably be willing to stick with an older monitor (TN or CRT).

It is very difficult for me to ascertain why people think they can notice 30 ms display lag, when clearly, it is a completely different ball game than network lag. When the lag gets to 45 ms+ (and add that to slightly slower response time of VA panels) then it gets to be a problem. But 5 ms response time TN + 30 ms lag is not that bad.

I think it's silly to keep going in circles. If you can't stand the lag psychologically or actually, then use an older monitor. Things aren't changing and that's become readily obvious for the past three years.

I feel lag on my LCD26 too. Maybe because it's big, has a slower response time, or actually does have input lag. That's why I'd just use my other monitors for gaming.

 

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Originally posted by: LightningRider
For those considering a Samsung T260:

I recently bought one of these and I must say I am pretty disappointed by this monitor for basically one big reason - color. It seems that no matter what I do, I cannot get the monitor to show me an accurate mix of colors. Everything feels too blue on this monitor. Grays have a distinct blueish tint to them and some lighter shades of yellow are barely recognizable or not displayed at all. Basically, this monitor's colors are too cool. Putting the color settings to warm doesn't help much either. I just can't get rid of that bluish tint. Aside from that, the monitor is nice, though it could be a little brighter perhaps.

Either way I've decided this monitor is not for me, the coolness of colors bothers me too much so I am taking it back.

So now I'm back where I started - I need a monitor 24" - 27" that has the following:

- 24" to 27" as stated
- GOOD colors, contrast and brightness levels, no coolish tones or warm tones to them, something with enough accuracy so I'm thinking maybe it has to be a S-PVA or S-IPS panel
- Something that can be played with fast moving action games without any noticeable input lag or ghosting
- Easy to read text
- Good viewing angles are nice but not a necessity
- Price would be nice to have between 500-1000ish

Here are needs separate from the actual monitor itself:

- Something readily available in Canada
- Prefer something where a good warranty is available with it (like from Dell.ca or Futureshop etc)

I've been eyeing the Dell 2709W 27" LCD but I hear it suffers from really bad input lag (3 frames average), same with the 24" equivalent.

I've heard that as well. Probably ~60 ms.

It just seems really hard to find a monitor that meets all of my needs. Basically, something with good colors/contrast/legibility and a solid gaming panel at the same time. And usually when I do find something, it's extremely hard to find in Canada or not available at all.

I really need you guys to push me in the right direction! Thanks a ton to anyone who can help me...

Yeah, being in Canada unfortunately will limit your options. The HP LP2475w should be available there? Its colors are good, I'm not sure about its uniformity, but probably not too bad.

 

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Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys could you tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming.

Look at the gaming section...L227WT.

The VW222u should also be fast but I never saw input lag measurements on it so I didn't put it up yet. I may, anyway, as I've never seen TNs with much input lag.

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Guys, there's a deal on a 24" non-TN LCD that some of you may be interested in.

It's the SVA (Sylvania) 2400w which can be had at CompUSA for $280 +ship, or $260 after Paypal rebate. Text

It has been confirmed to use an MVA panel, specifically CMO-M240J1-L02. You can find more info about the deal in this thread: Text People that bought the LCD seem to be happy with the image quality.

The most interesting thing to me is that some people are reporting that the monitors they received have a GLOSSY screen panel. Others are reporting that they received a matte anti-glare screen. I've been looking for a large (22-24") non-TN glossy panel and this would be the first that I know of, if it is actually being manufactured as a glossy screen. I'm not sure why only some people are getting the glossy screen, maybe the manufacturer switched from matte to glossy or vice-versa and there are units out there with both panels?

Anyway, I will most likely buy one soon in the hopes of getting the glossy screen version. I'll post again here after I get it.

I have no clue about this panel but it looks about as reliable as the Soyo 24" or Westinghouse 24" (both have had less than avg reliability).

 

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Originally posted by: Tasiin

Originally posted by: xtknight
I usually get the data from prad.de or DigitalVersus, but neither has data on G2400W vs G2400WD.

I think that people make way too big of a deal about this input lag thing. I just don't buy into it that much until it hits 3 frames or higher (48ms+).

As long as people claim to notice 2 frames though that's just going to have to be the cut-off. My opinion doesn't factor into this and I keep it separate from the actual data as much as possible.

Well, I was initially concerned about it because I know from experience that ~30ms is noticeable to me. I had an LP2065 for a while which was noticeably laggier than a Dell 2007WFP or my CRT -- it wasn't by a huge amount at all, but I could detect it without testing the input lag with a camera (which I later did, and found it had about 30-40ms). It's probably something I could live with, but I'd be disappointed just the same if it was significantly laggier than the older G2400W while offering very few advantages.

I think you may be right about the numbers on prad and DigitalVersus being bogus, though. 10e stated that there was hardly any difference between it and his G2400W in his review at Hardforum, and another user's pictures showed next to no discernible lag. I'd guess that the true number is probably somewhere between 5 and 20, but prad's 33ms just seems off.

One last question for you: do you have any idea how a modern 5ms 24" TN like the V2400W's ghosting would compare to an overdriven 2ms TN, or an IPS panel like the 20WMGX2 (which was quite fast)? I know it has an overdrive option, but some people have said that it causes noticeable artifacts. I'd hope that it's at least faster than a 2007WFP or LP2065 without it enabled, which both displayed just enough ghosting to bother me a little.

Thanks again for your help!

The V2400W should be fast even without the overdrive. Probably faster than the other IPS panels, just because it is a TN. But I don't know for sure, sorry.

Originally posted by: Ayim
Is the V2400W a budget monitor? I mean like, out of all the other TN panels out there, is it one of the best? I don't want to get a budget monitor and regret it later on. As someone said (forgot who lol) Monitor is one of the items that don't get upgraded every other year, so I'll be keeping it for a while. Does 400$ for a TN 24" Sound about the right price? I know the high end 22" tns are around 300$

The V2400W is the best 24" TN, but you could step up to the LP2475w if you wanted for better viewing angles and wider gamut. I think the V2400W is well-priced, and the LP2475w is as well, for what it is.

Originally posted by: hedgehog87
I've been reading this thread for a couple of months trying to decide what monitor I want for when I go back to uni (next week). I'm in the UK, so am not blessed with the very cheap prices that you seem to be getting over the pond.

I have been able to find a G2400WD for around £250 (approx $460) and was wondering if it was worth going for that or spending a little more for a Samsung. I can't tell if you are recommending the Benq as it's reasonably priced in the USA, or if it is also a high quality monitor. Also, how far can the G2400WD be tilted downwards as I like to watch movies from my bed, which is slightly lower than the height I'd be sitting at my desk?

Also, thanks a lot xtknight for all your input in this thread!

(ps I will be using this monitor for casual gaming / movies)

I don't rate by price, so the G2400WD is indeed the best. It's better than the Samsung for scaling and perhaps response time and colors.

No clue about the tilting, sorry. You will have to consult the HardForum thread on the G2400W series for that answer.

It's a great choice for your uses though.

Originally posted by: ChargerBolts
Hey everyone, I'm new to the forums and am in the market for a 24" monitor. I'm going to use the monitor mainly for programming and similar office related work, but am also interested in hooking up a playstation 3 to the monitor for some gaming. I originally was looking at the TN panels for their price, but it seems that PVA and IPS are the way to go. My main concern with hooking up a console to a monitor with a 1920 x 1200 resolution is the scaling to 1920 x 1080. It seems like the HP L2475w is a good monitor based on TFT Central's review, but they also said it had poor color out of the box. I understand that almost all monitors need to be calibrated, but with the limited research I've done on colorimeters, they run about $200 for a somewhat decent one. Any ideas, or monitors with some decent color out of the box? $650monitor + $200colorimeter is a little high, has anyone heard of the Lenovo 2440x monitor (not out til end of Oct)?

Not sure about the Lenovo, but the LP2475's default colors will not be that bad. Not worse than a lot of consumer monitors out there. And the great viewing angle and gamut will make up for it. I think that it's a good choice.