[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Considering pulling the trigger on HP's 8-bit H-IPS 24" LCD, the $650 LP2475W due to the Dell 2408WFP A01 being a lottery (since people seem to be getting the inferior A00 still)

Few Questions:

• Would this monitor be worse (as far as lag goes) for first person shooters than my current PVA panel, the Dell 2001FP?

• 
  
  It should be the same speed.
  
  

  [*]Does it have 1:1 pixel mapping?

  
  Yes (read TFT central review).
  
  

  [*]Is it glossy? (it does not appear to be based on a review that I read)

  
  No.
  
  

  [*]I assume that it has less input lag than the Dell 2408WFP A01 since it is IPS instead of VA?

  
  Yes, 25 ms vs. 48+ for 2408 (A01?). http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm
  
  

  [*]Any major vendor in the US selling it for MSRP or less?
  [*]Are there two different models of the LP2475w? CDW has one for $759.99 and another one for $629.99 and they appear identical...

Thanks!

This happened with the LP2065 as well. I believe one is a "Home" model and one an "Office" model. Warranty difference? You may have to ask HP to be sure.

And it'll probably be in stock at HP for about MSRP, soon.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: LightningRider
I'm pretty sure that the HP2475w has more lag than the Dell you have since I think it's a TN but the average lag is only around 25ms which is IMO not that bad and probably not noticeable unless you are super picky about those things.

It does have 1:1 pixel mapping.

95% sure it's not glossy.

As I said before, it only an average input lag of around 25ms, which is pretty decent, I know there are a lot of complaints about the Dell input lag, which is why I didn't go with a Dell.

Not sure about the US but I know that it was very hard to find one in Canada, HP had only one vendor listed for Canada on their site. I ordered mine from there this afternoon at $750 CDN after taxes and shipping. I wish I could have gotten it at a local store since I always feel more comfortable if I can just directly bring it back to the store, but I guess if you want a good quality monitor you have to go outside of Futureshop and BestBuy... It's too bad though, store warranties rock. At least HP still gives you a 3 year warranty on this monitor. The only catch is that you have to ship it back to them if something goes wrong...

They are not different models, just one is listed with a promotional price and the other is regular price.

I ordered this monitor this afternoon I have been following it very closely in the huge thread on www.hardforum.com. Some people complained about difficulty reading text, while others had no issues whatsoever. Some resolved their text issues by tweaking gamma settings and ClearType. Others talked about having slight color temperature differences on different sides of the screen, again, others did not. And still others complained of slightly greenish tints to the left and slightly pinkish tints to the right of the screen when viewing full white backgrounds... while again others said they had no issues. Some sent their monitors back to HP for a replacement and the replacements did not have these problems. So I don't know, I'm just hoping I don't get a lemon when I receive mine... I really don't want to send it back.

Thanks for the info about this model, it's quite a bit more than I can provide at the moment and I am sure this will be helpful to Schadenfroh.

Originally posted by: gsa
xtknight/other elite members/experienced users

REALLY need your help. am not technologically very literate. i currently have a 24" IMAC. i needed a second monitor and got the 26" westinghouse - it is terrible in every way, except how it looks when switched off it suddenly goes blank when I am working, then comes back in 2-3 seconds - very irritating. anyway, i plan to return it.

i use my computer primarily for surfing the web and using word/excel.

i love LOVE the apple display. can you please recommend just 1 or 2 monitors that meet the following criteria:
-24-26 inches
- works out of the box (I do not understand most of the color calibration/gamut etc etc issues that so many users on this forum discuss)
- price preferably not more than 700 area (+/- 100)
- is like the IMAC (why does it take apple to make a perfect display, at least perfect to me)
- minor preference it can pivot (not a dealbreaker)

HP LP2475w. I swear, you'll love it. It should be basically the same as the iMac 24", less a couple issues with tinting on the left/right sides of the panel. I am not sure yet if this is rampant or just a defect. Failing that, the Planar PX2611W is available. And the DoubleSight DS-265W (although their service isn't as good, there might be an A-TW polarizer on this model??) http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824185010&Tpk=ds-265w

I'd check if it has a polarizer or not, but HardForum is down now for me.

I have spent hours reading this forum and hardforum - think I am even more confused now - first i thought the DS265w is perfect, then the LP2475W, then the planar. Anyway, can you please recommend 1/2 monitors for me.

thanks much

Those are the same ones I recommended to you. They should all be good choices.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: LeoM
xtknight, now that I'm using the NEC 20WMGX2 I'm noticing that it gets fairly hot after a half-hour or so, as has been reported in this thread. In one post you mentioned that you might put a cooling fan on yours, don't know if you did or not, but I'm thinking seriously about doing that.

I never did once I figured out that the panel staining was a problem with liquid or sealing of the panel and not heat. I no longer use the 20WMGX2 on a daily basis (it is at home and now I use a Xerox 17" and LG L227WTG 22").

The lower 2/3 of the rear monitor housing is much cooler to the touch, and the heat is concentrated really in the uppermost 3 inches of the case. I'm thinking that heat builds up in that zone due to the small size of the ventilation slits at the top rear, and also because there are no vent slits at the bottom -- only along the sides. With the end result that there is not enough airflow through the case, and hot air concentrates at the top.

A small exhaust fan mounted up there would alleviate this. Do you think there is any risk of damaging the panel by introducing (slight) forced air flow through the case, and are there any other considerations? Or is the heat at the top even anything to worry about .. I gotta admit I'm a little paranoid about babying this thing, since it's only under a refurb warranty.

I doubt that's going to damage anything. And the heat at the top probably isn't something to worry about. If you get the panel staining at the top, cooling won't help.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys i want to buy a monitor, So could anyone tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming & watching movies. My usage is in 60:40 ratio for gamimg & watching movies.

There are no 3:2 ratio consumer LCDs, but only 16:10, 16:9, 4:3, 5:4. The L227WTG-PF is a good choice for you.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: palouse
Uhg! Severe analysis paralysis headache, here. Requst some help and simple advice.

Need additional monitor. Used for gaming, occasional DVD movies from computer and N64/Wii/360Xbox, even homework. Alternatively, writing code and reports, or surfing the web. House does not have a TV. Limited space and budget, 20-22" preferred over most 24". Tough to find short-list monitors in local retailers. Room light OK for glossy panel.

Must Have:
Good text viewing.
Widescreen.
Rich, vibrant colors, no washed out blacks or tinted whites.
Very nice to have:
Wide angle viewing - nicer to view movies, and share monitor with game consoles.
Component In for Wii monitor and other non-HDMI devices.
Adequate gaming response time.

Budget? Well, if I can get 2 good monitors for the price of one great monitor, then I will likely buy good. $200 to $350. (Possibly buy 3 monitors over course of next year.)

Primary question: "Will I get better results from very current TN technology or 2.5+ year old P/MVA technology for about the same price?" Do the latest TN panels give as good of viewing experience as the older P/MVA?

Newer TNs at the size 20-22" give a better experience than older VAs. I can almost guarantee that. I much prefer the LG L227WT over the 19" VA I have (older ViewSonic VP930b). It's just better in every aspect, except for viewing angle. Newer VAs that have good contrast might be preferable, but there are very few at 20-22".

ASUS PW201 20" 8ms Widescreen is "old" technology, 6 bit P/MVA, has the functional features I want, and from very old reviews colors and text are good with decent response time. It was a pricey monitor, in it's day. $210 A/R.

It's an ok choice.

LG L227WTG-PF 22" 2ms Widescreen is latest/greatest Wide Gamut TN. Rave reviews on picture quality, ignoring TN view angle issues. No component in. $280 or so. I assume best TN picture quality available for the price.

Now we're talkin! I own this LCD and love it. However the viewing angles might sway some people to the PW201 instead. Honestly, I think the L227WT is better overall for my personal needs. I only notice viewing angles in general use with big solid colors.

BTW, contrast and blacks are "sick" on the L227WT. And it's great at revealing darker tones. VAs have more trouble with that.

I actually rate the PW201 higher, but I guess it's because of the viewing angles. VA panels certainly do have their strengths. But I am finding TNs more preferable for me, and may consider changing the order of that ranking. Since it's Multimedia, I will change that ranking now, although the PW201 will excel for general use.

Now, I just read in this thread about sources for "refurbished NEC 20WMGX2". (Ow! Headache!) All the features of PW201, but "better". (Ow!)

Yeah, the 20WMGX2 is very good and it's the best choice if you can find it.

ASUS MK221H has stats similar to L227WTG-PF, sans Wide Gamut, I assume. $230 A/R. Gets me closer to preferred budget.

Not sure about this one.

Monitor must last 3-4 years, so I am trying to get best features/quality for the budget. Boys are satisfied using 3 year old 4:3 17" Jetway AVIDAV M1731D-F (12ms), so the they are not that sophisticated regarding response time. Wonderful monitors for the intended purpose, and still are. I use a laptop panel, and am going to a separate monitor; maybe AvidAV, maybe new. I have RTFM'd, (and my head hurts.)

Also ran: ASUS PG221H 2ms $350; SAMSUNG TOC T200HD 5ms $320; NEC ASLCD22WMGX-BK 5ms $281.

Yeah...blehhhh on the last few. Samsung has made a poor reputation for themselves because all of their recent monitors have bluish tints. Either the L227WT or 20WMGX2 refurb. The 20WMGX2 would also satisfy your component-in needs.

 

[LightningRider]

Well as I said I ordered the LP2475w yesterday.

So I read a lot of the thread they have on the monitor on hardforum, lots of good info and user reviews of the monitor there. The thread is like 55 pages.

 

[zephyrprime]

Well I just ordered myself the 26" KDS that was on sale at newegg this week. I'll let everyone know how it is when I get it. I'm not expecting super awesome visual quality since it is a tn and a low priced monitor but I hope it doesn't suck. By the way, are all 26" monitors TN?

 

[ninethirty]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Well I just ordered myself the 26" KDS that was on sale at newegg this week. I'll let everyone know how it is when I get it. I'm not expecting super awesome visual quality since it is a tn and a low priced monitor but I hope it doesn't suck. By the way, are all 26" monitors TN?

Nope. The Planar PX2611W and DoubleSight DS-265W are both well-respected IPS monitors.

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys i want to buy a monitor, So could anyone tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming & watching movies. My usage is in 60:40 ratio for gamimg & watching movies.

There are no 3:2 ratio consumer LCDs, but only 16:10, 16:9, 4:3, 5:4. The L227WTG-PF is a good choice for you.

he meant that he uses PC for 60% gaming and 40% watching movies

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: ninethirty

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Well I just ordered myself the 26" KDS that was on sale at newegg this week. I'll let everyone know how it is when I get it. I'm not expecting super awesome visual quality since it is a tn and a low priced monitor but I hope it doesn't suck. By the way, are all 26" monitors TN?

Nope. The Planar PX2611W and DoubleSight DS-265W are both well-respected IPS monitors.

also all 26" are actually 25.5"...
low end company KDS probably doesn't have monitor that isn't TN.

 

[Blackfirevatsal]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys could you tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming.

Look at the gaming section...L227WT.

The VW222u should also be fast but I never saw input lag measurements on it so I didn't put it up yet. I may, anyway, as I've never seen TNs with much input lag.

Bro LG one is not available in india & the asus have very very bad after sales service in india, can you recommended anything else?
& bro can you give link to the gaming section because i don't understand what you mean

 

[ninethirty]

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys could you tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming.

Look at the gaming section...L227WT.

The VW222u should also be fast but I never saw input lag measurements on it so I didn't put it up yet. I may, anyway, as I've never seen TNs with much input lag.

Bro LG one is not available in india & the asus have very very bad after sales service in india, can you recommended anything else?
& bro can you give link to the gaming section because i don't understand what you mean

The first post in this thread has a lot of background information about LCDs; the second post has a list of recommended monitors, grouped by use. One of those is gaming. xtknight updates it occasionally.

 

[Carnivore99]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Guys, there's a deal on a 24" non-TN LCD that some of you may be interested in.

It's the SVA (Sylvania) 2400w which can be had at CompUSA for $280 +ship, or $260 after Paypal rebate. Text

It has been confirmed to use an MVA panel, specifically CMO-M240J1-L02. You can find more info about the deal in this thread: Text People that bought the LCD seem to be happy with the image quality.

The most interesting thing to me is that some people are reporting that the monitors they received have a GLOSSY screen panel. Others are reporting that they received a matte anti-glare screen. I've been looking for a large (22-24") non-TN glossy panel and this would be the first that I know of, if it is actually being manufactured as a glossy screen. I'm not sure why only some people are getting the glossy screen, maybe the manufacturer switched from matte to glossy or vice-versa and there are units out there with both panels?

Anyway, I will most likely buy one soon in the hopes of getting the glossy screen version. I'll post again here after I get it.

People who bought this over in the SD forum seem to be giving high praise to this monitor, except for some transformer buzz for one or two people. Did anyone here buy one and if so, what do you think? I don't play games, so suitability for amateur-level photo editing would be the most important thing to me.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys i want to buy a monitor, So could anyone tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming & watching movies. My usage is in 60:40 ratio for gamimg & watching movies.

There are no 3:2 ratio consumer LCDs, but only 16:10, 16:9, 4:3, 5:4. The L227WTG-PF is a good choice for you.

he meant that he uses PC for 60% gaming and 40% watching movies

haha boy do I feel dumb now. Sorry about that. I get ahead of myself sometimes.

In that case, I still have the same recommendation. The L227WTG will be great for gaming (fast response, allegedly 0 input lag) and movies (high contrast, gamut, f-Engine modes). I think that these are both strengths of the L227WTG, versus general use.

 

[Usama H]

I have been looking at monitors for days but cant find any good reviews on the monitors im looking at. I ordered a new PC a few days ago. It should be here in 1 week. And I need a monitor. I want a 20", 22" or maby a 24" if it's a good offer.

This seems good i have found 1 review on it and they say it is good.

Dell SP2208WFP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...=Dell%20SP2208WFP%2022

But there is also this 22" Dell, but I can't find any reviews on it.

Dell Ultrasharp 2208WFP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...rasharp%202208WFP%2022

Many people have 22" Samsung's, would something like a Samsung T220 or 226 be better then the Dell SP2208?

Recently I saw the Dell S2409W it seems good spec and really cheap.

Dell S2409W

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...rodid=MO-029-DE&tool=3

Would the Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP be alot better then the Dell S2409W?

Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...rasharp%202408WFP%2024

And is there any other good 24" monitors?

Here is my PC's spec that I have ordered.

Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 overclocked to 3.4GHz
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler
Asus P5Q Deluxe Motherboard
4GB DDR2 Ram
Nvidia Geforce GTX 280
500GB HDD
Thermaltake High Performance 850W PSU
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard
Razer Diamondback 3G Mouse

 

[LeoM]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: LeoM

The lower 2/3 of the rear monitor housing is much cooler to the touch, and the heat is concentrated really in the uppermost 3 inches of the case. I'm thinking that heat builds up in that zone due to the small size of the ventilation slits at the top rear, and also because there are no vent slits at the bottom -- only along the sides. With the end result that there is not enough airflow through the case, and hot air concentrates at the top.

A small exhaust fan mounted up there would alleviate this. Do you think there is any risk of damaging the panel by introducing (slight) forced air flow through the case, and are there any other considerations? Or is the heat at the top even anything to worry about .. I gotta admit I'm a little paranoid about babying this thing, since it's only under a refurb warranty.

I doubt that's going to damage anything. And the heat at the top probably isn't something to worry about. If you get the panel staining at the top, cooling won't help.

Thanks and I'm grateful for all of your help. I believe I have made the best LCD choice possible for my needs, due to your efforts in establishing this thread. :beer: :thumbsup:

 

[LightningRider]

Usama, you might look at the HP LP2475w, though it is not the cheapest monitor.

 

[GrimWarrior]

Hello xtknight! Thanks for making this thread! I've read through a lot, but still confused. I made this post over on Hardforum, but pasting it here so you can help also if you could?

3 moniter setup (24" + or maybe 22) - need help - am I over analyzing?


Hello everyone,

(I know it's a giant wall-of-text, but I'm trying to give all info possible you would need to help me. Thanks!)

I've been reading Hardforum for about a week and a half now, diving through all sorts of links to panel type descriptions, side by side comparisons, etc. I think I've read so much that it's all turned to mush in my brain and I'm lost. I would REALLY appreciate everyone's help in deciding what to get.

As mentioned, I'm looking to do a 3 monitor setup - the basic middle panel with two slightly angled inwards on the side. I"m sure you can imagine what I"m talking about, but here's a pic of what I'd like to do if you can't (just minus the 4th monitor)
http://img157.imageshack.us/my...81863d05837343bam1.jpg

More information: I have a height adjustable desk so I can stand at it, or sit. Right now I'm sitting because I have a 21" CRT, and it's just HUGE and too close when I stand at it. I'm going to be doing the whole "treadmill desk" thing, where you put a treadmill in the center of the desk and walk at 1mph while working, and build a subfloor that is flush with the treadmill so if I want to sit, the chair glides seamlessly over it all. (not the main topic of discussion here, but look up "walking while working" if you're interested in the concept)

Why I need help
-------------------------

I have been using a 21" CRT monitor for about 7 years now, because it is a very high quality CRT. (at least, that's what I was led to believe when I did my research) I never upgraded to a LCD, because I thought they looked like crap compared to this CRT. (it's a Hitachi SuperScan Supreme 803) It's sort of been on it's last leg for a while, and as mentioned in the last paragraph, it will NOT do for my standing/walking while at the desk application. I have ALWAYS wanted to do the whole multi-monitor setup, and think that 3 lcd's is the way to go - this way I can look at a main panel in the middle to do most of my work on, have directions/comparisons/reference material on the second, and even more on the third or chat programs, etc.

I've read so much on here about the different panel types, and the color shifting, viewing angles, backlight glow, etc... I think I'm lost now. I didn't really want to spend a TON of money on lcd's, but I DO want quality, because really, no matter what you are doing on your computer, you are looking at the screens all the time.

I'm worried that getting a lower quality monitor will affect me with the two side monitors angled in like they will be so that I can glance over at them while working in the middle one (and the reason I gave the info about the treadmill workstation is that I won't be moving to the side to look at it, it will just be a head turn)

I went into Best Buy and Circuit City to look at monitors, and the TN screens mostly looked like crap. However, almost none of them where set at native resolution. The ones that where hooked up to computers and running at native res didn't really impress me either. The Imac 24" was AWESOME looking, but it's also glossy. It is an H-IPS monitor though, so that is mostly what I was looking at. I made a spreadsheet comparing the different monitors I was looking at to compare strong/weak points, etc.

My main uses for lcd
-------------------------------

I do a LOT of web browsing, reading, writing. I read a lot of pdf's, and also getting into writing pdf's, articles, etc. Internet Marketing. I'm also looking into building web pages, so that involves looking at code and reference material/guides, etc. I might get into doing some movie making/pictures (not massive photoshop stuff, just putting images together/editing movies - yes, pr0n). I do a little bit of gaming, but not much, and no, not FPS stuff - really I got addicted to MMORPG's, and now I tend to stay away from games, because I can't control myself with them. HD tv stuff isn't that important, but I would like to be able to use my computer as a DVR to record tv shows.

The MOST important thing is reading/writing text on websites and pdf's, etc.
70% - text
15% - images/websites/movies
10% - tv DVR
5% - games

That should give you an idea of my uses and what is important to me hopefully. I started out looking on NewEgg at the Samsung 2693HM. It's a 25.5" TN panel. After checking out TN's in BB and CC, thought "eh". Unfortunately they don't have that model. I do like that it can pivot though!

From reading here I came to the conclusion that I think a TN would NOT be good for me, and also that Wide Gamut would NOT be good.

Do I really have to spend the money for an NEC 2490wuxi (x3) to be happy? The 2690 is wide gamut. The Planar PX2611W is wide gamut and no polarizer so it has white issues in the corners. Same thing with HP LP2475w. If I'm spending the cash for the NEC's, should I just get 30" Dell 3007WFP-HC ? (or is quality not near NEC and will have issues with the angles I'll be using the side monitors at?)

Those are what I was looking at. Also the Samsung 245t or 275t+, but those are s-pva and will have horizontal color shifting, which will be bad for the angles of the side monitors, yes?

AM I OVER ANALYZING all this, and for my applications I don't NEED a top of the line IPS monitor, and a s-pva/mva or TN would be ok for me? There would be a huge difference in price between 3 TN lcd's, and 3 NEC 2490's... (and, here's a pic of someone's setup of 3 2490s - http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32490s01yi6.jpg )

If you could help, I'd greatly appreciate it!

 

[Blackfirevatsal]

Originally posted by: ninethirty

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys could you tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming.

Look at the gaming section...L227WT.

The VW222u should also be fast but I never saw input lag measurements on it so I didn't put it up yet. I may, anyway, as I've never seen TNs with much input lag.

Bro LG one is not available in india & the asus have very very bad after sales service in india, can you recommended anything else?
& bro can you give link to the gaming section because i don't understand what you mean

The first post in this thread has a lot of background information about LCDs; the second post has a list of recommended monitors, grouped by use. One of those is gaming. xtknight updates it occasionally.

Bro i have seen it but it recommend only one 22inch monitor for gaming L227WT which is not available in India.

so XKNIGHT could you recommened two three more 22inch models which are also good for gaming acc to there performance.

 

[semisonic9]

Originally posted by: GrimWarrior
AM I OVER ANALYZING all this, and for my applications I don't NEED a top of the line IPS monitor, and a s-pva/mva or TN would be ok for me? There would be a huge difference in price between 3 TN lcd's, and 3 NEC 2490's... (and, here's a pic of someone's setup of 3 2490s - http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32490s01yi6.jpg )

If you could help, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Yes, you are over-analyzing. Even if you "need" a NEC 2490, you certainly don't need three of them.

Get a grip.

-S

 

[Usama H]

Originally posted by: LightningRider
Usama, you might look at the HP LP2475w, though it is not the cheapest monitor.

I've looked at it a bit bit it's too much around £410. Looks like a very good monitor tho.

 

[ninethirty]

Originally posted by: GrimWarrior

I have been using a 21" CRT monitor for about 7 years now, because it is a very high quality CRT. (at least, that's what I was led to believe when I did my research) I never upgraded to a LCD, because I thought they looked like crap compared to this CRT. (it's a Hitachi SuperScan Supreme 803)

I had a Hitachi Superscan for a long time. Good monitor.

Originally posted by: GrimWarrior

I'm worried that getting a lower quality monitor will affect me with the two side monitors angled in like they will be so that I can glance over at them while working in the middle one (and the reason I gave the info about the treadmill workstation is that I won't be moving to the side to look at it, it will just be a head turn)

Turning your head vs. turning your body doesn't matter. As long as your position relative to the monitor does not change, the viewing angles stay the same.
If, however, you'll sometimes be very close to the desk, and sometimes be a bit farther back (on the treadmill perhaps), then viewing angles become an issue.

Originally posted by: GrimWarrior

I went into Best Buy and Circuit City to look at monitors, and the TN screens mostly looked like crap. However, almost none of them where set at native resolution. The ones that where hooked up to computers and running at native res didn't really impress me either. The Imac 24" was AWESOME looking, but it's also glossy. It is an H-IPS monitor though, so that is mostly what I was looking at. I made a spreadsheet comparing the different monitors I was looking at to compare strong/weak points, etc.

....
From reading here I came to the conclusion that I think a TN would NOT be good for me, and also that Wide Gamut would NOT be good.

Do I really have to spend the money for an NEC 2490wuxi (x3) to be happy? The 2690 is wide gamut. The Planar PX2611W is wide gamut and no polarizer so it has white issues in the corners. Same thing with HP LP2475w. If I'm spending the cash for the NEC's, should I just get 30" Dell 3007WFP-HC ? (or is quality not near NEC and will have issues with the angles I'll be using the side monitors at?)

This issue is near and dear to my heart, because I go through the same mental gymnastics. Forums are dangerous -- they make us picky about things we'd never be picky about on our own, and critical about things that we would have been quite happy about if someone else hadn't found it inferior. So in short, yes, I think you're over-analyzing.

"Do I really have to spend the money for an NEC 2490wuxi (x3) to be happy? " -- only if you've decided that you need to get what other people consider to be The Best Screen in order to be happy. Even though the things that make it Better than any other screen to them are likely not things you would have paid more for yourself.

There are some people who are very particular about viewing angle -- the color shift at different angles really bugs them. There are some people who are really picky about spot-on colors (and some people rely on that for work). There are some people who are very picky about even brightness. And so on. And that's perfectly fine -- there's nothing at all wrong with being picky about these things. But on a forum, we tend to adopt each others' pickiness, even though it's not something that we would particularly care about. We have a built-in reflex to buy Better and not be happy with Worse, and we want to feel like discriminating and educated consumers. So we assume that, because Person A couldn't stand this screen, then I bet I couldn't stand this screen, so I'll have to get something better. And of course, none of us would want to be that low-class fellow that's happy with subpar technology.

So when you say "the TN screens mostly looked like crap" and "the Imac 24inch was awesome looking", what do you mean exactly? From straight-on, I'd expect the screens at Best Buy to look quite good. If they have them running at the wrong resolution... that's a pretty unfortunate splitter set-up. If it helps, my Best Buy has the wall of monitors, which is useless (they're all driven off of one VGA splitter box), but they also have a few full PCs set up that they're trying to sell as a package deal -- an HP tower with an HP monitor, for example. Those monitors are just connected directly to that computer over a digital connection, and that's a far better judge of screen quality. You can use the mouse and keyboard and navigate to a web page of all text, to get an idea.

xtknight does a good job of working around the aggregated pickiness by grouping ratings by use and giving people recommendations based on what they care about. But I think you'll have to make sure you know what you care about. So when you say "From reading here I came to the conclusion that I think a TN would NOT be good for me, and also that Wide Gamut would NOT be good." Why not? There are pros for TN screens for you: they handle text well, they can be quite high-quality for non-print-shop use, and they're economical enough to get 3. Depending on your lighting, a glossy screen could also be great for text and movies, and those are hard to find in non-TN screens. Since you're putting a treadmill in your subfloor, I assume you can adjust your lighting however you please.
Yes, they change colors with different viewing angles. Most of us, I'd venture to say, would not be bothered by that fact if we hadn't subconsciously tied it to a marker of quality. It's just how the screens work. But you have an unusual viewing angle situation, so it may bother you more.

And unless you are particularly sensitive to color, or picky about it, I wouldn't worry about wide gamut. Most people enjoy wide gamut monitors. There are some who do not. That's a perfectly valid opinion, but no need to adopt that opinion unless you look at the wide-gamut screen and really can't stand it. For web design, it will take a little more work in calibration and using a color-managed browser (Firefox 3 does it well). Personally, the fact that wide-gamut screens make flesh tones look slightly more sun-tanned is a selling point. It would make my family photos look so much better.

All that is to say, because you'll be moving in relation to your screens, TN's viewing angles may bug you. If so, the HP lp2475w or Planar or DoubleSight may work out really well for you.

Sorry for the rant. For all I know, you really will be happier with a 2490wuxi. I've just seen this mental process happen for me, and end up looking at some tech gadget and say, "Why did I mortgage my house for this???"

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Blackfirevatsal
Guys could you tell me which is best 22 inch monitor for gaming.

Look at the gaming section...L227WT.

The VW222u should also be fast but I never saw input lag measurements on it so I didn't put it up yet. I may, anyway, as I've never seen TNs with much input lag.

Bro LG one is not available in india & the asus have very very bad after sales service in india, can you recommended anything else?
& bro can you give link to the gaming section because i don't understand what you mean

Try the L226WTQ: http://www.in.lge.com/Product/...71&pid=4779&subcat=LCD

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Usama H
I have been looking at monitors for days but cant find any good reviews on the monitors im looking at. I ordered a new PC a few days ago. It should be here in 1 week. And I need a monitor. I want a 20", 22" or maby a 24" if it's a good offer.

This seems good i have found 1 review on it and they say it is good.

Dell SP2208WFP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...=Dell%20SP2208WFP%2022

But there is also this 22" Dell, but I can't find any reviews on it.

Dell Ultrasharp 2208WFP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...rasharp%202208WFP%2022

Many people have 22" Samsung's, would something like a Samsung T220 or 226 be better then the Dell SP2208?

Recently I saw the Dell S2409W it seems good spec and really cheap.

Dell S2409W

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...rodid=MO-029-DE&tool=3

Would the Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP be alot better then the Dell S2409W?

Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/...rasharp%202408WFP%2024

And is there any other good 24" monitors?

Here is my PC's spec that I have ordered.

Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 overclocked to 3.4GHz
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler
Asus P5Q Deluxe Motherboard
4GB DDR2 Ram
Nvidia Geforce GTX 280
500GB HDD
Thermaltake High Performance 850W PSU
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard
Razer Diamondback 3G Mouse

Did you take a look at the OP for recommended 22"s and 24"s, do you have different requirements or are they not available in your area?

The V2400W may be a good LCD for you. Good value.

And yes, I think the 2408WFP would be quite a bit better than the S2409 and V2400.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: GrimWarrior
I do a LOT of web browsing, reading, writing. I read a lot of pdf's, and also getting into writing pdf's, articles, etc. Internet Marketing. I'm also looking into building web pages, so that involves looking at code and reference material/guides, etc. I might get into doing some movie making/pictures (not massive photoshop stuff, just putting images together/editing movies - yes, pr0n). I do a little bit of gaming, but not much, and no, not FPS stuff - really I got addicted to MMORPG's, and now I tend to stay away from games, because I can't control myself with them. HD tv stuff isn't that important, but I would like to be able to use my computer as a DVR to record tv shows.

The MOST important thing is reading/writing text on websites and pdf's, etc.
70% - text
15% - images/websites/movies
10% - tv DVR
5% - games

That should give you an idea of my uses and what is important to me hopefully. I started out looking on NewEgg at the Samsung 2693HM. It's a 25.5" TN panel. After checking out TN's in BB and CC, thought "eh". Unfortunately they don't have that model. I do like that it can pivot though!

From reading here I came to the conclusion that I think a TN would NOT be good for me, and also that Wide Gamut would NOT be good.

Actually I think basically anything will do for text use. Unless the viewing angle of TNs becomes a problem. In which case, a VA will definitely do.

Do I really have to spend the money for an NEC 2490wuxi (x3) to be happy? The 2690 is wide gamut. The Planar PX2611W is wide gamut and no polarizer so it has white issues in the corners. Same thing with HP LP2475w. If I'm spending the cash for the NEC's, should I just get 30" Dell 3007WFP-HC ? (or is quality not near NEC and will have issues with the angles I'll be using the side monitors at?)

At most, three HP LP2475s. At least, three BenQ V2400Ws. Three 2490s is a senseless waste of money for mostly text use and would double as a furnace. And why is gamut bad for text? It's just black on white.

Honestly the LCD2690 isn't worth it for probably 80% of the people who have it. I now use the L227WT, and love it. I was like you, and I spent $600 for the best IPS panel, and then $1200 for a bigger one, then $500 for a VA panel because I wanted higher contrast. Then I tried a $340 L227WT. Guess which one I ended up using on a daily basis? The TN panel. My needs are just general use and a little multimedia and the viewing angles don't bother me enough to spend many, many more $s. Of course my IPS panels are still valuable for critical work and I would never give them away.

Unfortunately, my 20WMGX2 has heat stain at the top, and the LCD26 has a bit of input lag and a striped look to it. It also has two dead pixels. The L227WT doesn't have quality control issues like this and it was a lot cheaper. Therefore, I'm quite happy with it. Yes, I do prefer the viewing angles and stability of IPS panels, but the value of the TN panel overrode this for me. The LP2475w at the price its at may change my mind, if it doesn't have uniformity problems.

Those are what I was looking at. Also the Samsung 245t or 275t+, but those are s-pva and will have horizontal color shifting, which will be bad for the angles of the side monitors, yes?

Hmm, in niche scenarios VAs will shift a little. Not a big deal for text.

AM I OVER ANALYZING all this, and for my applications I don't NEED a top of the line IPS monitor, and a s-pva/mva or TN would be ok for me? There would be a huge difference in price between 3 TN lcd's, and 3 NEC 2490's... (and, here's a pic of someone's setup of 3 2490s - http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32490s01yi6.jpg )

If you could help, I'd greatly appreciate it!

I think three V2400s is good, especially if you don't like wide gamut. Sorry if I was harsh, I'm just trying to help set you in the right direction. VAs will maintain more brightness at wider angles than IPS (even though grays shift) so they may still be better for text. Three 2408WFPs or lower-end LP2465s can also be considered.

With LCDs, a great value is more important than a great panel.