[Retired] The LCD Thread

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xtknight

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Originally posted by: Vaktathi
So I've been using the LG L227 now for about a week and a half, and I've been extremely impressed so far, the colors are extremely vibrant, the response times unnoticeable, and all in all a suitable upgrade from my NEC 90GX2 (which I'm now using as a 2nd Monitor).

-thanks to xtnight for the help in choosing this monitor!

Glad it worked out for you.

Originally posted by: Tofucube0
how much of a difference is it between 22in and 24 in monitors in terms of delivering HD quality? on the net i keep reading people say that 24inch is the way to go since it can display HD at its native resolution. I'm wondering because i notice that there is a big price jump between many of the 22inch and 24 inch monitors. I'm also thinking about a dual monitor set up with makes that price jump times 2 if i opt for two 24 inch monitors.

22" monitors can display HD material fine since they can downscale it. It usually does not look bad at all. I don't necessarily recommend 24" panels over 22" ones for HD, for any particular reason. Usually the compression of HD makes native resolution look a little smudgy anyway and you may benefit from the downscaling.

Originally posted by: zod96
What is the best 19 inch non wide screen right now? I'd prefer glossy screen but non glossy is also ok. It would be for my sister...

I would suggest the HP LP1965.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: PreachTru
Thinking about purchasing the Dell 2408WFP for gaming. Any thoughts?

The BenQ V2400W may be faster for gaming alone due to having less input lag. The 2408WFP will offer a slight viewing angle improvement though, as well as more vibrant colors for a slight sacrifice in speed.
 

LightningRider

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Yeah, I noticed it just after he left...

Anyways they are gonna send another one in a few days. Gotta take more time off work, which angers me.

So annoying... THIS NEXT ONE BETTER WORK! lol
 

Neodymium

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Hey xtknight, I would also appreciate hearing your thoughts on Apple's new 24" LED Cinema Display. Rumour is it's S-IPS with a 14 ms response time. Throw in the built-in iSight camera, mic, and speakers and it sounds like too good of a deal to be Apple ($999 here in Canada).

My last two monitor purchases were based on your advice. I'm currently running a S-IPS 2007WFP and I remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time I switched it on (actually, that happened many times over the first 6 months). I'm now interested in making the jump into the 24-26" range, but I need something at least comparable to the stunning picture on my 2007WFP.

Oh, and I'll be using this on a PC....I'm assuming that Apple will offer an outrageously priced Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter that won't degrade the picture (being digital to digital).

Thanks as always...this thread is the best LCD source on the net.
 

JaBro999

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I'll be paying close attention to the Apple LED Cinema Display when it's released in Nov.

There's no official word at this time on whether the LED Cinema Display is PVA or IPS, but it definitely is glossy which may be a deal breaker for some folks.
 

PreachTru

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: PreachTru
Thinking about purchasing the Dell 2408WFP for gaming. Any thoughts?

The BenQ V2400W may be faster for gaming alone due to having less input lag. The 2408WFP will offer a slight viewing angle improvement though, as well as more vibrant colors for a slight sacrifice in speed.

I *hate* the design of the BenQ V2400W. Any other solid recommendations in the 22-24" range for PC gaming?
 

M0RPH

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Originally posted by: Neodymium
My last two monitor purchases were based on your advice. I'm currently running a S-IPS 2007WFP and I remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time I switched it on (actually, that happened many times over the first 6 months). I'm now interested in making the jump into the 24-26" range, but I need something at least comparable to the stunning picture on my 2007WFP.

Have you actually compared your 2007WFP to any other good monitors? The reason I ask is because I had been using one (the IPS version) until recently when I got a NEC 20WMGX2 (also IPS) because I wanted to try a glossy screen. I was shocked to see how much better the NEC looked, with a much clearer and brighter picture, brilliant whites and better black level. I tried every possible adjustment but the Dell was just clearly inferior, and although I planned to run dual monitors I couldn't stand to look at the 2007WFP any more and now it's in the closet.

IMO the 2007WFP is an overrated monitor, and I think a lot of people here tend to think that just having an IPS panel makes a monitor great. IPS is definately great for viewing angles but there is much more to a great picture than viewing angles.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Neodymium
Hey xtknight, I would also appreciate hearing your thoughts on Apple's new 24" LED Cinema Display. Rumour is it's S-IPS with a 14 ms response time. Throw in the built-in iSight camera, mic, and speakers and it sounds like too good of a deal to be Apple ($999 here in Canada).

Seeing as it's not even released yet, it is not easy to give my thoughts on it! Like you, I hope it will be a great display, but it's pricey (not a surprise for a 24" IPS). Is it going to be much better than the LP2475w? Doubtful. Do I think it will be IPS? Yes I do, because every Cinema Display has been.

My last two monitor purchases were based on your advice. I'm currently running a S-IPS 2007WFP and I remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time I switched it on (actually, that happened many times over the first 6 months). I'm now interested in making the jump into the 24-26" range, but I need something at least comparable to the stunning picture on my 2007WFP.

Check out the aforementioned LP2475w. I wouldn't bother waiting for the Apple display. I don't think it will have local dimming or huge arrays of LEDs so it won't take full advantage of LED technology. That's speculation though.

Oh, and I'll be using this on a PC....I'm assuming that Apple will offer an outrageously priced Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter that won't degrade the picture (being digital to digital).

Thanks as always...this thread is the best LCD source on the net.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: PreachTru
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: PreachTru
Thinking about purchasing the Dell 2408WFP for gaming. Any thoughts?

The BenQ V2400W may be faster for gaming alone due to having less input lag. The 2408WFP will offer a slight viewing angle improvement though, as well as more vibrant colors for a slight sacrifice in speed.

I *hate* the design of the BenQ V2400W. Any other solid recommendations in the 22-24" range for PC gaming?

The G2400WD from BenQ is another good choice if you can find it available anywhere.

The next best is the Samsung 245BW, not bad in and of itself. And maybe the HP w2408h but it didn't make the 'hardcore gaming' list because of its slightly above average input lag. But it will have less lag than the 2408WFP, and a glossy wide gamut panel.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Neodymium
My last two monitor purchases were based on your advice. I'm currently running a S-IPS 2007WFP and I remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time I switched it on (actually, that happened many times over the first 6 months). I'm now interested in making the jump into the 24-26" range, but I need something at least comparable to the stunning picture on my 2007WFP.

Have you actually compared your 2007WFP to any other good monitors? The reason I ask is because I had been using one (the IPS version) until recently when I got a NEC 20WMGX2 (also IPS) because I wanted to try a glossy screen. I was shocked to see how much better the NEC looked, with a much clearer and brighter picture, brilliant whites and better black level. I tried every possible adjustment but the Dell was just clearly inferior, and although I planned to run dual monitors I couldn't stand to look at the 2007WFP any more and now it's in the closet.

IMO the 2007WFP is an overrated monitor, and I think a lot of people here tend to think that just having an IPS panel makes a monitor great. IPS is definately great for viewing angles but there is much more to a great picture than viewing angles.

That's true. Sometimes I like my TN panel better than my IPS (contrast), although I still have to say the IPS is overall superior because the viewing angles of it don't annoy me no matter what I'm viewing.
 

PreachTru

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Originally posted by: xtknight

The G2400WD from BenQ is another good choice if you can find it available anywhere.

The next best is the Samsung 245BW, not bad in and of itself. And maybe the HP w2408h but it didn't make the 'hardcore gaming' list because of its slightly above average input lag. But it will have less lag than the 2408WFP, and a glossy wide gamut panel.

Can't really seem to find the G2400WD or the 245BW available anywhere. I appreciate your help so far though.

Any recommendations for 22" gaming LCD?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: PreachTru
Originally posted by: xtknight

The G2400WD from BenQ is another good choice if you can find it available anywhere.

The next best is the Samsung 245BW, not bad in and of itself. And maybe the HP w2408h but it didn't make the 'hardcore gaming' list because of its slightly above average input lag. But it will have less lag than the 2408WFP, and a glossy wide gamut panel.

Can't really seem to find the G2400WD or the 245BW available anywhere. I appreciate your help so far though.

Any recommendations for 22" gaming LCD?

LG L227WT is a great one.
 

Tofucube0

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Originally posted by: PreachTru
Originally posted by: xtknight

The G2400WD from BenQ is another good choice if you can find it available anywhere.

The next best is the Samsung 245BW, not bad in and of itself. And maybe the HP w2408h but it didn't make the 'hardcore gaming' list because of its slightly above average input lag. But it will have less lag than the 2408WFP, and a glossy wide gamut panel.

Can't really seem to find the G2400WD or the 245BW available anywhere. I appreciate your help so far though.

Any recommendations for 22" gaming LCD?

Go to the Benq website and check the Benq store for the G2400WD
its suppose to come back into stock today but who knows if thats really going to happen, but it might. If you use the code thankyou10 you can get a additional 10% off the price of the purchase. it will cover shipping and a little bit more.
 
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Is there any information yet about the Viewsonic VX2265wm? Supposedly it's a 22" 120Hz LCD, but all I've been able to find are dozens of copies of the same press release.

I'm still using CRTs, mainly for the high refresh/frame rates (gaming) - I had a 2005FPW for a while but I ended up selling it. I'm aware that the so-called "120Hz" HDTVs are basically fake 120Hz in that they don't accept any >60Hz inputs - would this Viewsonic monitor be similar?

More generally (and I apologize if this has already been discussed), are there any >=20" LCD monitors that will properly accept and display signals greater than 60Hz? I'm still searching for a Sony GDM-FW900 (95lb. 24" widescreen CRT), but I'm a little afraid of breaking my desk (and back).
 

WaitingForNehalem

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My current monitor is a 17 inch KDS Rad 7si. Honestly, it's perfect despite it being only VGA. Text is very sharp, black levels are great, don't notice any motion problems, there is no grainy image. It is as if I'm on a CRT. What is weird is that I bought it in February 2005 and you'd think LCD's back then were really poor. I bought an extremely defective 245BW followed by another defective/or just horrible LG 2452T and both were returned. I couldn't believe the image quality difference. None could come close. If only my monitor was bigger I wouldn't replace it.

BTW, I prefer 5:4 to 16:10. Does anyone else share that opinion?
 

LightningRider

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Well I got my NEXT LP2475w replacement.

This one doesn't have any black things in the middle of the screen. The panel uniformity appears to be slightly better than the first one I had and hopefully it will also improve with more backlight hours as the other one did. Overall I think that it is just an issue with this monitor, though it is not very apparent and is very minor detail.

I guess I will just be happy with it now!
 

rxtrom

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Hi Guys,
Great Thread..like many others have allready stated I need to make a multiuse/gaming monitor purchase and there is not definitive source. Except here.

A couple observations, correct me if wrong.

A solid 24" gaming monitor is the HP LP2475w

Dell used to be the top choice for monitors, but not anymore it seems because of lag.

It seems people are using 1080p LCD tvs and using them as monitors. Whats the advantage besides gaming from your fav recliner.

My question.

For just 100-150 more I can get a 3007WFP-HC is that a better monitor than the HP?
Do I need a SLI setup or just a higher end card to game on that display smoothly, cna you recommend a card too?


I have a 1080p 36" LCD tv, should i just use that?

Thanks in advance
 

cronos003

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I've noticed a lot of people recommending the LG L227WT, but that particular model doesn't seem to exist in the US. Are most people here actually discussing the LG L227WTG which is the glossy screen version, or is their a supplier in the US that sells the LG L227WT (matte model) ?
 

Zarakiteque

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I'm looking for a 24" LCD to replace my old 19", mostly for some gaming, movies and regular use, nothing fancy.

I read quite a bit of reviews and only recently stumbled upon this forum thread. To make it short, I can't decide between the BenQ V2400W or the Samsung T240.

As I was recently informed by my computer shop, their prices for the BenQ are a bit higher then for the Samsung (they actually recently just increased the price of the BenQ, I guess due to dollar going up - I'm from Europe), but the price difference is minimal and doesn't bother me at all. I just need a recommendation, personally I'm leaning more towards the BenQ when it comes to performance etc., even tho I like the desing of the Samsung one better, but that is sorta secondary to me.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Edit: Just stumbled upon more information, apparently the Samsung T240 has some lag.
 

JRW

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My brother recently bought a Samsung 2232BW+ to replace his 17" CRT, He's happy with everything EXCEPT for black level performance, especially in darker games & movies .. I know this is a common complaint (its what keeps me using my CRT most the time) but is there anything out there in the 22" - 24" range with decent black levels?
 

us3rnotfound

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I just bought a 22" Samsung T220 to replace my 19" Viewsonic VP930b. I only did it for the extra viewing area. It was not worth it, I am taking the T220 back. It was an atrocity to LCD panels everywhere. Going into the purchase, I knew it used TN fillm technology (I'm coming from a very nice *VA), but I wanted a little extra reactivity and definitely wanted Widescreen, so it wouldn't feel like I had tunnel vision in FPS games.

Well out of the box the picture was very harsh and with poor color. I went to Anandtech Forums and was greeted by high intensity whites I have never seen before. After literally an hour of tweaking its settings, what I concluded was that without having the gamma, brightness and contrast up, you could see the many flaws associated with RTA, the overdrive component that speeds up response times. Artifacts with black text against a grey background (AT) while scrolling was an obvious thing that I saw.

Any text I read on this monitor made me want to gouge out my eyeballs, making it awful for school work. Basically, if you have black text on a white or any shade of grey background, you're screwed. I turned on cleartype and that helped slightly but it still didn't seem "focused" (Makes me think back to the old CRT days). The search function on Firefox highlights text as bright green, and makes the text white. On my VP930b, it is a warm, comfortable green that is easy on the eyes, but with the T220, it was literally a neon green with white text that was very hard to read. That combination right there stressed my eyes pretty badly. Just highlighting text with the mouse in Firefox made the text pretty unreadable because the highlighting is a light blue and the text is white. Those 2 colors seemed to merge together as a bright neon green or something, depending on the height at which you are looking at the monitor.

The monitor is so bright it feels like you are staring into a 2x4 fluorescent light fixture. OK, tone down the brightness, and all sorts of color and uniformity issues are revealed. After properly adjusting the color, the picture still doesn't look as crisp as if the brightness and contrast were jacked up to 80-100. Which is unbearable without sunglasses. Major BLB on the top and bottom of the screen. I ran the hidden menu check, and it is a CMO panel. That would explain its tendency to display too much blue, as I've read around the web.

Alright, there are a few pros to this monitor. There is absolutely no hint of input lag whatsever, and games and movies look pretty spectacular on it. Those two things are about all that I can think of. Otherwise, I'd resort to describe the colors that this monitor outputs as bright neon pos.

So have caution if you want to purchase this screen. The sleek rose red bezel is the only slightly good thing about this monitor. Maybe if you get a true Samsung panel, things will work out, but I'm not willing to spend anymore time on this thing other than a quick RMA refund.

I am staying with my VP930b for now (Xtknight actually recommended it to me about 2 years ago, great monitor) and it's absolutely awesome now that I have experienced the illustrious "gamer LCD," which I will never again buy into. I will keep my eyes on good IPS/*VA panels only from now on.
 
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