[Retired] The LCD Thread

[suszterpatt]

Quick question, just to be sure before I go out and buy anything: the LG L207WT is the 20" version of the L227WT recommended for gaming in this very thread, right? No other differences?

 

[Shears]

Originally posted by: PreachTru
I took the plunge and snagged a BenQ FP241VW for $449 shipped.
http://store.benq.us/benq-us/product.aspx?sku=3269055

Xtknight,

How come you don't have the BenQ FP241VW on your list? I'm just now received one to test out.

I've been trying to find a good deal on the Palnar PX2611W but have yet to find a place where I can purchase one to test out without being charged 30% restock if I dont like it.

 

[zod96]

FYI BestBuy has the LG L227WTG for $259 now...

 

[ati666]

what is ddc? and what do they mean by when they say ddc/ci or tact type?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ati666
what is ddc? and what do they mean by when they say ddc/ci or tact type?

DDC/CI is display data channel/command interface, part of the VESA video standard. In layman's terms, it's just a way to have the computer control the monitor's brightness and contrast by communicating through the wire.

And DDC without CI is just a means of determining the monitor's resolutions and refresh rates/frequency ranges. In other words, it tells the computer how well it can operate and at what parameters.

I am not sure what you mean by 'tact type' though. DAC type?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Shears

Originally posted by: PreachTru
I took the plunge and snagged a BenQ FP241VW for $449 shipped.
http://store.benq.us/benq-us/product.aspx?sku=3269055

Xtknight,

How come you don't have the BenQ FP241VW on your list? I'm just now received one to test out.

I've been trying to find a good deal on the Palnar PX2611W but have yet to find a place where I can purchase one to test out without being charged 30% restock if I dont like it.

The FP241VW was out of stock in most US retailers until BenQ opened a US store. It will be re-added.

Let us know how the FP241VW works out for you.

Originally posted by: suszterpatt
Quick question, just to be sure before I go out and buy anything: the LG L207WT is the 20" version of the L227WT recommended for gaming in this very thread, right? No other differences?

The L207WT is not necessarily a 20" version of the L227WT. It's probably not a bad monitor, but I haven't seen any reviews of it so I cannot tell you for sure.

Originally posted by: Liquidus
Hey xtknight, I took a look at your list of recommended monitors and I plan to buy a 24 inch TN LCD for gaming and movies within the next year. I see that Benq v2400W is both the cheapest and #1 recommended LCD on your list. What are the differences between the $400 Benq V2400 and the Soyo 24 inch LCD I've seen for around $200 on sale in the past? What are the major factors I should be looking at within TN LCDs? Thanks.

The Soyo has a higher chance of failure but has an 8-bit panel. It may have more lag. Can I substantiate the latter claim? Not really but a lot of VAs panels do have more lag, and almost all are inherently slower than TNs when it comes to response time. In general, I recommend TNs for gamers over VA panels. It's always hard to weight the risks of getting a less reliable higher quality panel with a lower quality one. That just depends on the person. If it were me I'd get the BenQ given only those two choices. What I'd really do is save up for an HP LP2475w.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Just picked up the LG227WT from Best Buy for $259 per xtnight's recommendation, and it is rock solid.

 

[ivan2]

Can anyone update me on the current leader of standard gamut 24" for photo/web editing? I also do some light gaming (TF2) so the less input lag the better. Thanks.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ivan2
Can anyone update me on the current leader of standard gamut 24" for photo/web editing? I also do some light gaming (TF2) so the less input lag the better. Thanks.

The OP isn't out of date; the NEC LCD2490 is still the leader. Since, LaCie has come out with the 324 but this is an S-PVA panel, which causes more gray shift than the IPS panel so it has not been recommended above the LCD2490 (actually not recommended at all since it is pricey for what it is).

IPS panels also have less input lag than VA panels, by and large. You can expect roughly 2-3 frames with the LCD2490 which is not terrible and should suffice for light gaming.

 

[ivan2]

xtknight, thank you for the reply. I was under the false impression that it wasn't up to date because a lot of them were deactivated from newegg. I just found them available in Dell and others.

 

[TheUnk]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ati666
can anyone tell me which type of DAC does LG w2234s-bn lcd uses, is it 6-bit or true 8-bit?

i have already looked over the internet and did not get any info or reviews.

The w2234s is a TN panel so it very likely uses 6-bit.

Originally posted by: TheUnk
So is the BenQ V2400W still ranked #1 for 24 inch long "hardcore" gaming?

Is there a NON-glossy 24" LG to match the LG L277WT?

I just can't decide on a new 24" gaming monitor.

Yes the BenQ is still at the top.

Why not the V2400W? The 245BW is also another good choice.

Was gonna get the V2400W but NewEgg no longer carries it, same for 245BW =/

 

[mrtastee]

I am interested in purchasing a ~19-20" widescreen display that will be used for the purpose of displaying video content at a small trade show. I would like to spend ~$200 but can budge a bit.

I checked the multimedia section, but it seems as though most of the displays listed are significantly larger than what I need and/or are out of my price range.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

 

[Tasiin]

Hi xtknight,

I ordered a V2400W about a month ago, and despite not being terribly impressed by it I'd decided that I would keep it since even halfway decent monitor choices seem to be disappearing rapidly.

However, I've found that I'm pretty annoyed by the TN viewing angles and the somewhat washed out and dull look of the display during desktop usage. It's not an issue in games or movies (where it actually looks quite good -- much better than I'd been expecting), but the poor desktop performance is a real hindrance when doing programming or web browsing, which is about 50% of what I'd be using this monitor for.

I'm not sure if I even can or should return it at this point -- I'm past the 30-day return period, but there's some chance I could take it back anyways. I think I've exhausted almost of the available options for a non-TN display now though: I've tried the NEC 20WMGX2, Dell 2007WFP, and HP LP2065. All of the new IPS panels are wide gamut and too bright, and the DS-263N (which was the best of them by far) is now discontinued. The BenQ seemed to be the best TN option for a standard gamut, gaming-capable display at the time and still does now.

If I were to return this, the only IPS panel that I haven't tried yet is the Dell 2007FP. I returned my 2007WFP because of some truly awful backlight flickering at mid to low brightnesses, dead pixels, and the annoying "sparkly" anti-glare coating that Dell seems to use all on their monitors. I also wasn't thrilled with the amount of ghosting in games, but I could probably get used to it eventually. It's hard to say whether it was better or worse than the BenQ though, even with all of those problems.

The BenQ is obviously a better gaming display, but I wouldn't have to deal with restrictive viewing angles on the Dell and it would definitely have better overall image quality than the V2400W. The biggest negatives to trying the 2007FP in my mind would be the panel lottery and potential to get a flickering unit again (which could turn into a lot of trouble), and the usual 20" IPS pitfalls such as the purple glow when viewing it off center and the grainy coating.

Do you think it would be worth bothering with the Dell, or should I just keep this in light of my very limited options? If you were in my position, which do you think you would go with?

Thanks again for your help, and sorry for the rather long post.

(By the way, going back to something I asked you about before, I can confirm that the V2400W has a maximum of about 33ms of input lag. digitalversus.com's 20ms figure is wrong. The average amount of input lag does seem to be quite low though, and was often 0 in the shots I took. I can't honestly say that I can feel it, so it doesn't bother me too much.)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ivan2
xtknight, thank you for the reply. I was under the false impression that it wasn't up to date because a lot of them were deactivated from newegg. I just found them available in Dell and others.

Ya I will get rid of these. Sometimes Newegg just says deactivated when it's out of stock though and other retailers have the monitors in stock. AnandTech Forums doesn't make dynamic updating of a post very easy, so I usually am too lazy to manually go thru them all.

 

[bruceyg]

I just bought a new Dell 2408wfp for my fiancee. She is very happy with this monitor since she just uses it for internet surfing. No back light bleeding, good contrast ratios, and the texts look pretty sharp. Compared with my old 22'' TN panel LCD, it is much nicer. I was debating myself on choosing a HP LP2475W and this one. Finally got this one for less than $400.

 

[Onita]

Just pulled the plug on the Lg 227. Lot of money to spend on a monitor (to me), but seeing as this is the first monitor I've bought in about 7-8 years, figured I might as well get the best I can afford. Hope I like it as much as others

 

[zod96]

I need a good stand to replace my LG L227WTG stand. I find that stand too wobbly. I'm looking for a solid black stand any ideas? And do all stand work with any LCD?

 

[Neodymium]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Neodymium
My last two monitor purchases were based on your advice. I'm currently running a S-IPS 2007WFP and I remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time I switched it on (actually, that happened many times over the first 6 months). I'm now interested in making the jump into the 24-26" range, but I need something at least comparable to the stunning picture on my 2007WFP.

Have you actually compared your 2007WFP to any other good monitors? The reason I ask is because I had been using one (the IPS version) until recently when I got a NEC 20WMGX2 (also IPS) because I wanted to try a glossy screen. I was shocked to see how much better the NEC looked, with a much clearer and brighter picture, brilliant whites and better black level. I tried every possible adjustment but the Dell was just clearly inferior, and although I planned to run dual monitors I couldn't stand to look at the 2007WFP any more and now it's in the closet.

IMO the 2007WFP is an overrated monitor, and I think a lot of people here tend to think that just having an IPS panel makes a monitor great. IPS is definately great for viewing angles but there is much more to a great picture than viewing angles.

Hmm, my jaw was hitting the floor before I figured out how to get into the maintenance utility and indentify the panel type, so I don't feel that my reaction was biased by "knowing" that I had an IPS panel. If your point is that other IPS panels are even better, that makes me a very happy camper

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Neodymium
Hey xtknight, I would also appreciate hearing your thoughts on Apple's new 24" LED Cinema Display. Rumour is it's S-IPS with a 14 ms response time. Throw in the built-in iSight camera, mic, and speakers and it sounds like too good of a deal to be Apple ($999 here in Canada).
[/quote]

Seeing as it's not even released yet, it is not easy to give my thoughts on it! Like you, I hope it will be a great display, but it's pricey (not a surprise for a 24" IPS). Is it going to be much better than the LP2475w? Doubtful. Do I think it will be IPS? Yes I do, because every Cinema Display has been.[/quote]

Sorry xtknight, should have added "when it becomes available" in my original post. I'm just wondering if you will be ranking it in your "Recommendations" once info is available...I don't recall ever seeing an Apple display listed.

 

[TLW]

Hi all,

Read through the (exhaustive!) first couple of posts regarding which LCD monitor to buy...

I'm looking for a 22" 1680x1050 16:10 monitor for games and video mainly, along with general internet use for my home PC

Looking at the recommendations it seems the Samsung Syncmaster 226BW gets a good write up, and it recommended by trustedreviews, however looking at the dates it was released over a year ago

Has anything released since overtaken this monitor? Not looking to buy top end stuff but willing to pay a bit more for a decent monitor

Thanks in advance

 

[Bsmooth]

Hey new guy here.Looking to get a new LCD panel and I've heard great things about the NEC 20WMGX2.Are these still available anywhere?
Also the LG L227WT looks very good too.
I am using a Mitsubishi 19" CRT,but its jumping up from the bottom sometime.
I am into race sims big time,especially iRacing and also do Photoshop.What would be your choices ?

 

[zod96]

The NEC is pretty much impossible to get now. And if you can find it they are used and go for like $500. The LG is an awesome LCD, I've got that one very pleased with it..

 

[Diocles]

Hi!

Can you tell me whether or not the HP LP2475W supports 1920x1200@75Hz through the DisplayPort connection?

Thanks in advance.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: mrtastee
I am interested in purchasing a ~19-20" widescreen display that will be used for the purpose of displaying video content at a small trade show. I would like to spend ~$200 but can budge a bit.

I checked the multimedia section, but it seems as though most of the displays listed are significantly larger than what I need and/or are out of my price range.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Yeah, umm $200 is a little low for 20" but at this price point you can't really be picky so just pick up what you can (brand names like LG, Samsung). They will all be TNs. If you can get the ASUS PW201 and glossy is acceptable, that's a good VA option, although Newegg doesn't have it at the moment.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TheUnk

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ati666
can anyone tell me which type of DAC does LG w2234s-bn lcd uses, is it 6-bit or true 8-bit?

i have already looked over the internet and did not get any info or reviews.

The w2234s is a TN panel so it very likely uses 6-bit.

Originally posted by: TheUnk
So is the BenQ V2400W still ranked #1 for 24 inch long "hardcore" gaming?

Is there a NON-glossy 24" LG to match the LG L277WT?

I just can't decide on a new 24" gaming monitor.

Yes the BenQ is still at the top.

Why not the V2400W? The 245BW is also another good choice.

Was gonna get the V2400W but NewEgg no longer carries it, same for 245BW =/

Maybe HP w2408h. Take a look at 24" TNs in the OP.

Originally posted by: Tasiin
Hi xtknight,

I ordered a V2400W about a month ago, and despite not being terribly impressed by it I'd decided that I would keep it since even halfway decent monitor choices seem to be disappearing rapidly.

However, I've found that I'm pretty annoyed by the TN viewing angles and the somewhat washed out and dull look of the display during desktop usage. It's not an issue in games or movies (where it actually looks quite good -- much better than I'd been expecting), but the poor desktop performance is a real hindrance when doing programming or web browsing, which is about 50% of what I'd be using this monitor for.

I'm not sure if I even can or should return it at this point -- I'm past the 30-day return period, but there's some chance I could take it back anyways. I think I've exhausted almost of the available options for a non-TN display now though: I've tried the NEC 20WMGX2, Dell 2007WFP, and HP LP2065. All of the new IPS panels are wide gamut and too bright, and the DS-263N (which was the best of them by far) is now discontinued. The BenQ seemed to be the best TN option for a standard gamut, gaming-capable display at the time and still does now.

If I were to return this, the only IPS panel that I haven't tried yet is the Dell 2007FP. I returned my 2007WFP because of some truly awful backlight flickering at mid to low brightnesses, dead pixels, and the annoying "sparkly" anti-glare coating that Dell seems to use all on their monitors. I also wasn't thrilled with the amount of ghosting in games, but I could probably get used to it eventually. It's hard to say whether it was better or worse than the BenQ though, even with all of those problems.

The BenQ is obviously a better gaming display, but I wouldn't have to deal with restrictive viewing angles on the Dell and it would definitely have better overall image quality than the V2400W. The biggest negatives to trying the 2007FP in my mind would be the panel lottery and potential to get a flickering unit again (which could turn into a lot of trouble), and the usual 20" IPS pitfalls such as the purple glow when viewing it off center and the grainy coating.

Do you think it would be worth bothering with the Dell, or should I just keep this in light of my very limited options? If you were in my position, which do you think you would go with?

Thanks again for your help, and sorry for the rather long post.

(By the way, going back to something I asked you about before, I can confirm that the V2400W has a maximum of about 33ms of input lag. digitalversus.com's 20ms figure is wrong. The average amount of input lag does seem to be quite low though, and was often 0 in the shots I took. I can't honestly say that I can feel it, so it doesn't bother me too much.)

I would consider the Lenovo L220X honestly. Viewing angles of VAs are not too bad.

Otherwise, keep the V2400W I think you'll get used to it. I'm a programmer too and 90% of my use is general but I use a LG 22" TN all day. And once in awhile I'll get a little annoyed by it but for the most part get used to it or don't have time to think about it to care. And the bigger size of the V2400W would also be quite important to me for general (or not-so-general) use.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Neodymium
Sorry xtknight, should have added "when it becomes available" in my original post. I'm just wondering if you will be ranking it in your "Recommendations" once info is available...I don't recall ever seeing an Apple display listed.

Whether it gets added to "Recommendations" depends on the reviews for it, which will probably follow the release of the display by about a month or more. Sorry I can't really give you any more info on that. Further than that would just be speculation.

I don't usually recommend Apple displays because they don't have easy-to-access PC controls which is quite annoying and they are also extremely pricey for what they are. When I say I don't care about price in the OP I'm lying a little...if it's pricey it had better be a professional monitor with good warranty and no serious deficiencies. If it's a really good panel maybe I'll bend that a little, it's not like my policies are black and white.