[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Ingenuitor]

Originally posted by: brencat
I personally like glossy screens -- still using a 10yr old CRT (not for much longer...BenQ V2400W on the way!). Then again, my monitor is in a corner office cabinet away from sunlight. Only in mid summer when the sun is at high noon does it come through the skylights in the office and annoy me.

But it also depends on HOW glossy. For example, the hp 2408h is excessively so IMO, whereas the LG L227WTG-PF is just right. I recently saw these 2 monitors in person so that is why I made this particular comparison.

So many choices, this tasks is really difficult as I know just about nothing on LCD screens. Other than using laptops. Good luck...

 

[you2]

The only options I saw were dell, hp, viewsonic and nec. It seems that 20 inch (1600x1200) is no longer a popular size. Nec has one low end model (below $500) but it availability is scarce. I'm unsure if it is IPS. Viewsonic has a model that is around (slight more) than $500. A few reviews complain about the durability of this model (i.e, it died prematurely and service was rather poor). I tried to check the health of viewsonic but it seems to be a private company so that couple with the above issues was enough to spook me). I would either gamble on the dell or the hp. As I noted I'm very unhappy with the issue I have with the hp but unsure it is worth $27 to return it. Also I do not know if my case is typical.

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor

Originally posted by: weh
Ingenuitor,

Check out the HP LP2065. It is a very high quality H-IPS panel (best for photo and sRGB work) and it is very reasonable in price.

I will look into this, thank you for the info, seems some others are not satisfied. What about NEC or Acer even? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[Ingenuitor]

Originally posted by: brencat
I personally like glossy screens -- still using a 10yr old CRT (not for much longer...BenQ V2400W on the way!). Then again, my monitor is in a corner office cabinet away from sunlight. Only in mid summer when the sun is at high noon does it come through the skylights in the office and annoy me.

But it also depends on HOW glossy. For example, the hp 2408h is excessively so IMO, whereas the LG L227WTG-PF is just right. I recently saw these 2 monitors in person so that is why I made this particular comparison.

Why LG with all the choices available out here? Is that a IPS panel? I'm only asking because I'm searching myself for three monitors and not sure what to look at yet. Thanks and good luck.

 

[Ingenuitor]

Originally posted by: you2
The only options I saw were dell, hp, viewsonic and nec. It seems that 20 inch (1600x1200) is no longer a popular size. Nec has one low end model (below $500) but it availability is scarce. I'm unsure if it is IPS. Viewsonic has a model that is around (slight more) than $500. A few reviews complain about the durability of this model (i.e, it died prematurely and service was rather poor). I tried to check the health of viewsonic but it seems to be a private company so that couple with the above issues was enough to spook me). I would either gamble on the dell or the hp. As I noted I'm very unhappy with the issue I have with the hp but unsure it is worth $27 to return it. Also I do not know if my case is typical.

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor

Originally posted by: weh
Ingenuitor,

Check out the HP LP2065. It is a very high quality H-IPS panel (best for photo and sRGB work) and it is very reasonable in price.

I will look into this, thank you for the info, seems some others are not satisfied. What about NEC or Acer even? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Seems to me Nec may still be the best, but really cost allot $800 each with very slow response time. I have seen one HP that costs $2500 it was manufactured for Dream Works Studios. That's a pricey meatball.

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor

Originally posted by: brencat
I personally like glossy screens -- still using a 10yr old CRT (not for much longer...BenQ V2400W on the way!). Then again, my monitor is in a corner office cabinet away from sunlight. Only in mid summer when the sun is at high noon does it come through the skylights in the office and annoy me.

But it also depends on HOW glossy. For example, the hp 2408h is excessively so IMO, whereas the LG L227WTG-PF is just right. I recently saw these 2 monitors in person so that is why I made this particular comparison.

Why LG with all the choices available out here? Is that a IPS panel? I'm only asking because I'm searching myself for three monitors and not sure what to look at yet. Thanks and good luck.

Not saying the LG is right for you at all. I merely was comparing the glossy screens of the 22" LG and the 24" HP, that's it. I'm a gamer so response time is most important to me. And the LG I mentioned is xt's #1 pick in the Hardcore Gaming category. If your needs are for photos and/or non-gaming, you should probably be looking IPS or VA panels. Check the OP and look at the top pics in each category.

 

[aceO07]

Originally posted by: you2
I'm rather unhappy with the HP LP2065 I received from amazon week of dec 24. The issue is backlight is excessively too bright in one corner (about 15% of the screen). For games (like witcher) which want to paint that corner black it stands out like a sore thumb. for text work, art work or games that paint the entire screen it is not noticable.

If I apply pressure to the bazel in the corner that fixes the problem but i don't see a way to apply the pressure perm. Does anyone know if i remove the four outer screws (on the back) if there are inner screws connecting the front bazel?

Anyways I've used quite a few lcds over the years and I'm not that picky. This one is exceptionally poor. I'm not sure if it is specific to this monitor or all hps.

I'm inquiring with amazon about a possible return but I'm not sure I want to go through the hassle/expense.

The 2065 is part of the small business section. HP business side is supposed to have good customer service. Give them a call and see if they can help you out or exchange it for you.

I ordered the HP LP2475 from Amazon today. I'm hoping for it to arrive by Friday. Unless it seems like the LCD might be slow to move from supplier since I do have 2 day prime shipping. So this Friday or Monday. I paid the NY tax and slightly higher price, but Amazon has been good to me so I don't mind once in a while.

 

[Ingenuitor]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor

Originally posted by: brencat
I personally like glossy screens -- still using a 10yr old CRT (not for much longer...BenQ V2400W on the way!). Then again, my monitor is in a corner office cabinet away from sunlight. Only in mid summer when the sun is at high noon does it come through the skylights in the office and annoy me.

But it also depends on HOW glossy. For example, the hp 2408h is excessively so IMO, whereas the LG L227WTG-PF is just right. I recently saw these 2 monitors in person so that is why I made this particular comparison.

Why LG with all the choices available out here? Is that a IPS panel? I'm only asking because I'm searching myself for three monitors and not sure what to look at yet. Thanks and good luck.

Not saying the LG is right for you at all. I merely was comparing the glossy screens of the 22" LG and the 24" HP, that's it. I'm a gamer so response time is most important to me. And the LG I mentioned is xt's #1 pick in the Hardcore Gaming category. If your needs are for photos and/or non-gaming, you should probably be looking IPS or VA panels. Check the OP and look at the top pics in each category.

What is a OP? < noob... =)

 

[Bryson777]

What is a OP? < noob... =)

OP = Original Post, as in the first post of this thread.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Gautama2
I'm at a crossroads. I'm looking to buy a new 22" monitor. Black levels, backlight bleeding, color reporoduction, and ghosting are all important issues to me. I'm willing to go up to $300, but I've found these three deals:

Dell Ultrasharp 2208WFP for $202 with free shipping, there is a $50 off Dell monitors coupon floating around, too.
http://accessories.us.dell.com...bsd&cs=04&sku=320-6107

ViewSonic VX2255wmb for $230 + $25 shipping
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O...t75910-20&linkCode=asn

HP W2207H for $250 with free shipping
http://www.amazon.com/W2207H-2...3U6/ref=dp_ob_title_ce


I'm learning towards the HP right now, but which one is the best? And is it worth it over the cheap Dell?

Yeah, it probably is worth it. The ViewSonic is actually a really good choice too, but I guess I'd go for the HP. I'm not that crazy about ViewSonic anymore, and the HP really is a good bundle.

I also had to choose between the L227 and w2207h and the w2207h looked to be a close second. But I didn't examine it in depth and a lot of people said it had a lot of backlight bleeding. Perhaps the h (HDMI) panels are better than the original w2207.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor
Hello all I'm looking for three higher end monitors that are no more than 20". My mounting apparatus will only accept three 20" or two 26". http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st....rtechcorp_2036_2988345 I think I have decided to go with three bringing the total to 60" of monitors. This will be plenty to look at I think. Plus it will be a more well balanced in function and looks as well.

What would you recommend for a fulltime graphic designer that is also a software programmer and a part time photographer? I need to buy three monitors and the ideal in my mind would be three 20" that can be rotated easily for reviewing very long coded documents of programming and high resolution portrait images in CS4, video and web pages.

All this will be mounted on a tri monitor mount and attached to an ergonomic pneumatic desk unit. I assume nor more than $1000 tops each for the panels but would like to pay less if I can. From what I read NEC are the best way to go, but is there better or similar for less money. Acer looks nice, but not 100% sure. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009126

Here is a whole mess of 20's i found on New Egg http://www.newegg.com/Product/...&bop=And&Order=REVIEWS

Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Yea I don't think there's a good reason to spend over $500 on each panel. Three HP LP2065s or Dell 2007FPs should be just fine.

If it needs to be widescreen, the decision's harder due to the lack of non-TN widescreen panels. I'm actually not sure if there are any widescreen non-TN 20" panels whatsoever, at least in North America.

You could consider two Planar PX2611Ws if you wanted to, as well. However, these are wide gamut. What I'd really recommend is to get three 20" standard size panels and a good colorimeter because you will be doing graphics design. I think you will be pleased with the performance you can get by saving ~$400 getting an LP2065 over a higher end NEC.

If you don't want to sacrifice anything, you can get three 20.1" NEC LCD2090UXi panels. They also come in 21.3" standard size, LCD2190UXi. The LCD2090 is cheaper and a lot faster.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: NTB

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: NTB
How bad is a glossy-style screen in an office environment? I've wanted a larger monitor at work for quite a while and I really like the HP w2207h that I just recently bought for home use - especially the fact that it can be rotated and used in portrait mode

And, while I'm thinking about it: my PC at work is a ~3-year old, Pentium4-based dell with built-in Intel graphics...would that be enough to drive a monitor like this?

Nathan

I'm not sure; I've never used a glossy display in an office environment. I assume the standard office is just fluorescent-lit from the ceiling. It really depends on a lot of things too like how picky you are. Personally I think I'd do fine in that environment with a glossy panel.

The HP w2408h is the obvious 24" glossy equivalent to what you have.

If your built-in Intel graphics provide a DVI port, then probably. If it only provides a VGA port, then probably not.

Boo on the graphics I checked this week, and my work PC only has VGA output. As for the monitor, I *was* looking at the 2408h until I found the 2207. The higher resolution in the 24" model would have been nice, but the price was a bit steep - I only paid ~$250 for the 22", while most places are asking $400+ for the 24".

Hmm would they let you put in another video card? Not sure what interface your computer would take.

 

[Ingenuitor]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Ingenuitor
Hello all I'm looking for three higher end monitors that are no more than 20". My mounting apparatus will only accept three 20" or two 26". http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st....rtechcorp_2036_2988345 I think I have decided to go with three bringing the total to 60" of monitors. This will be plenty to look at I think. Plus it will be a more well balanced in function and looks as well.

What would you recommend for a fulltime graphic designer that is also a software programmer and a part time photographer? I need to buy three monitors and the ideal in my mind would be three 20" that can be rotated easily for reviewing very long coded documents of programming and high resolution portrait images in CS4, video and web pages.

All this will be mounted on a tri monitor mount and attached to an ergonomic pneumatic desk unit. I assume nor more than $1000 tops each for the panels but would like to pay less if I can. From what I read NEC are the best way to go, but is there better or similar for less money. Acer looks nice, but not 100% sure. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824009126

Here is a whole mess of 20's i found on New Egg http://www.newegg.com/Product/...&bop=And&Order=REVIEWS

Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Yea I don't think there's a good reason to spend over $500 on each panel. Three HP LP2065s or Dell 2007FPs should be just fine.

If it needs to be widescreen, the decision's harder due to the lack of non-TN widescreen panels. I'm actually not sure if there are any widescreen non-TN 20" panels whatsoever, at least in North America.

You could consider two Planar PX2611Ws if you wanted to, as well. However, these are wide gamut. What I'd really recommend is to get three 20" standard size panels and a good colorimeter because you will be doing graphics design. I think you will be pleased with the performance you can get by saving ~$400 getting an LP2065 over a higher end NEC.

If you don't want to sacrifice anything, you can get three 20.1" NEC LCD2090UXi panels. They also come in 21.3" standard size, LCD2190UXi. The LCD2090 is cheaper and a lot faster.

You have been very very helpful and I thank you for that, since this is for business use I need solid support as well and am leaning toward three NEC LCD2090UXI-BK at $400 each new from a wholesaler this may be the best price as well. HP and Dell concern me a little when it comes to warranty issues and overall quality control. Thanks again.

 

[you2]

Do you have a contact number for hp? Newegg reviews indicated that folks had bad luck with hp but i should give them a call anyways - can't hurt. Also 3 or 4 newegg review reported problem similar to mine (impossible from the review to tell if it was worse or better than mine - but most folks did not report this specific problem).

Originally posted by: aceO07

Originally posted by: you2
I'm rather unhappy with the HP LP2065 I received from amazon week of dec 24. The issue is backlight is excessively too bright in one corner (about 15% of the screen). For games (like witcher) which want to paint that corner black it stands out like a sore thumb. for text work, art work or games that paint the entire screen it is not noticable.

If I apply pressure to the bazel in the corner that fixes the problem but i don't see a way to apply the pressure perm. Does anyone know if i remove the four outer screws (on the back) if there are inner screws connecting the front bazel?

Anyways I've used quite a few lcds over the years and I'm not that picky. This one is exceptionally poor. I'm not sure if it is specific to this monitor or all hps.

I'm inquiring with amazon about a possible return but I'm not sure I want to go through the hassle/expense.

The 2065 is part of the small business section. HP business side is supposed to have good customer service. Give them a call and see if they can help you out or exchange it for you.

I ordered the HP LP2475 from Amazon today. I'm hoping for it to arrive by Friday. Unless it seems like the LCD might be slow to move from supplier since I do have 2 day prime shipping. So this Friday or Monday. I paid the NY tax and slightly higher price, but Amazon has been good to me so I don't mind once in a while.

 

[imported_mostlyprudent]

Just wanted to report that I purchase an HP LP2065 from Provantage (part# EF227A8#ABA). It arrived today and my wife called to say the sticker on the box indicated REV. GSM003. From what I have read that should mean S-IPS. Looks like I won the lottery!

 

[you2]

Are there any good ips panels @ 19 inch? I've sort of decided to return the hp and i'm not overly eager to pay $450 for a dell which might be no better. I was wondering if i step down to the 1280x1024 (19 inch) if the options were more appealing ?

 

[Ingenuitor]

Originally posted by: you2
Are there any good ips panels @ 19 inch? I've sort of decided to return the hp and i'm not overly eager to pay $450 for a dell which might be no better. I was wondering if i step down to the 1280x1024 (19 inch) if the options were more appealing ?

Go with a brand new NEC LCD2090UXi- for around $400 if you look seems like a really good deal to me. Not sure if your a gamer, if so it may not be the best then. Good luck.

 

[10e]

I do know that it is a glossy 2048x1152 panel from Samsung in that Dell. It is definitely a TN monitor, and it comes with a web cam and 1xDVI, 1xHDMI, and 1xVGA ports.

Having seen the Samsung 2343BW, I can confirm it is 100% TN, and the Dell is extremely likely the same. For a TN panel, the impression was pretty favorable IMHO.

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon

Originally posted by: paperfist
Does anyone own a Dell SP2309W 23" LCD or consider it a gaming LCD?

Thanks

This LCD also caught my eye recently. Given the cost, it's almost certainly a TN panel, which would be good for gaming, but the high resolution could require quite a bit of graphics horsepower to run at native resolution, depending on the game.

I'm definitely interested to hear if anyone else has experience with this monitor.

 

[ZetaEpyon]

Thanks for the information, 10e. It'd been my guess that the Dell uses that Samsung panel; the release timing of these two monitors was too coincidental to be anything else.
Where did you happen to see the 2343BW? I'd like to see one in person myself, if possible.

 

[10e]

I'm Canadian, so I found it at a big box Canadian store called Future Shop. I actually bought it to try it out. It only cost me $249.99 Canadian, which in my opinion is very cheap.

I wanted to see how well it worked with my PS3 even though it is only DVI and VGA, but with HDMI to DVI adapter it works perfectly due to the 16:9 ratio being the native ratio of 480p, 720p, and 1080p. It does scale everything up to 2048x1152 with the PS3, but there is no visible distortion or cutting off of the picture (ie. overscan) so I am actually inclined to keep it as a small console monitor. It is also very low in the input lag category from what I can tell (and I'm sensitive to input lag).

It also worked perfectly with Xbox 360 over HDMI to DVI, and worked very well at 720p with Xbox 360 over VGA. 1920x1080 worked over VGA, but cut a small portion off of the bottom of the screen (about half inch), but these are Samsung specific characteristics, and I doubt the Dell would have any scaling issues over DVI, HDMI, or VGA.

Alternatively with PC it will do 1:1 pixel mapping with my ATI 4870 card from Asus with no issues, so that is nice too, and I had no issues detecting the new resolution of 2048x1152 over DVI.

Visually it is pretty good, and compares quite well with the BenQ E2400HD which I have in my possession. Both are solid TN panels with no issues with dithering or banding. I did actually test the color calibration and it is also good. With the glossy coating, I'm assuming the Dell would be razor sharp with good perceived contrast.

Originally posted by: ZetaEpyon
Thanks for the information, 10e. It'd been my guess that the Dell uses that Samsung panel; the release timing of these two monitors was too coincidental to be anything else.
Where did you happen to see the 2343BW? I'd like to see one in person myself, if possible.

 

[Ingenuitor]

Now I am wondering if I should go with three NEC LCD2090UXi or just one of those for the center and two other ones for other tasks such as video and faster responses. Seems all monitors have some sort of trade off. Compared to CRT anyway. =)

 

[cmv]

Any thoughts on the SVA 2400W? Here is one thread about it that I'll snag the review links from:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/892788/
Reviews:
http://www.behardware.com/arti...th-iolair-vs-dell.html
Manufacturer page:
http://www.sva-usa.com/2400W.html

The lack of adjustment on the stand and (if I recall correctly) the uncertainty of getting glossy or matte is a bit disturbing. But perhaps it is a good ultra budget buy for beginning photographers?

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: cmv
Any thoughts on the SVA 2400W? Here is one thread about it that I'll snag the review links from:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/892788/
Reviews:
http://www.behardware.com/arti...th-iolair-vs-dell.html
Manufacturer page:
http://www.sva-usa.com/2400W.html

The lack of adjustment on the stand and (if I recall correctly) the uncertainty of getting glossy or matte is a bit disturbing. But perhaps it is a good ultra budget buy for beginning photographers?

I have one, or rather I bought one and gave it to a casual user. (It came with 3 dead pixels and the recipent didn't care, that's how casual.)

Black level is uninspiring. Not the worst I have ever seen, but somewhere below mediocre. It has disturbingly few controls on the OSD. It does feel very cheap, but at least the panel is secure in the frame, which is more than I can say for some monitors that cost 3x as much. I can't say anything about the color accuracy, but if it's off you certainly won't get any help from the OSD. It does have good image stability though, which is of course the sole reason you are considering it.

Depending on how serious a photographer you are, you may want to settle for a TN, or else hold out for a factory refurbished unit of a nicer display at a big discount. Or save up for something more expensive.

 

[aceO07]

Originally posted by: you2
Do you have a contact number for hp? Newegg reviews indicated that folks had bad luck with hp but i should give them a call anyways - can't hurt. Also 3 or 4 newegg review reported problem similar to mine (impossible from the review to tell if it was worse or better than mine - but most folks did not report this specific problem).

There's a long long thread at hardforum.com. The posters seem to like their support. I don't have any personal experience, but hopefully it'll be good if I need it.

 

[Exclusive]

http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...155/index1543675.shtml
http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...155/index1543682.shtml

OR

http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...186/index1851888.shtml
http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...186/index1851889.shtml



Which looks more correct and accurate with the colors?

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Exclusive
http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...155/index1543675.shtml
http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...155/index1543682.shtml

OR

http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...186/index1851888.shtml
http://detail.zol.com.cn/pictu...186/index1851889.shtml



Which looks more correct and accurate with the colors?

Rhetorical question but the answer is the first set -- and by a country mile too.

Have you calibrated the V2400W? It shouldn't be that far off. Disabled AMA and DC?