[Retired] The LCD Thread

[imported_mingus]

So what is the 24" LCD of choice now? in the $600usd range. mostly photography, internet etc. Is the new Dell HC not quite the older model?

 

[fillalph]

Another one of the suggestion posts.
Size wise: 19 - 24
Price: 399 or so (MAYBE a bit more if it was worth it)
Usage: I have a dSLR and want to get into some post processing (I am a hobbyist only though). Spend time doing "office" work such as surfing the net, word processing, MATLAB, I use AutoCAD a bit too. As for gaming, I don't really. It would be nice to be able to though, but I am not hardcore at all (Starcraft I is a sweet game .
Note: I move a lot (student, different dorms etc) so I think a matte screen might be better as my lighting situation will change (not a huge factor though)
Location: Vancouver, Canada (not sure if it would help)

The Samsung 215T looked alright, but the input lag was a turn off.
I gave the 226WT/WTX a good look but this thread really turned me off from it: http://forums.dpreview.com/for...=22694763&q=226wt&qf=m
I thought about the Samsung 226BW. I didn't see it listed anywhere in xtknight's recommendation list though.
(Is it worth waiting for the Samsung 226CW or the high gamut from LG?)

Any suggestion or input. Perhaps one of the monitors I listed I should relook at? Any others?

Thanks

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BernardP
Samsung 215TW is discontinued:

Confirmed by Samsung

and this retailer

Yup, I actually have a new, big list of recommendations I'm going to be posting when I get around to it. I had to lax the requirements a little because there were just too few LCDs up there. All of them have small problems, of course, but most aren't show-stoppers.

Originally I thought HC LCDs may be bad for desktop publishing (DTP) but turns out they allow easier print matching. For photo editing I am still not recommending any HC LCDs, however, because of the aRGB differences.

Expect this list to be up with all the measurements/etc in the OP sometime within the next few days. Not final quite yet, just reasonably sure this is what's going up soon.

{ updated list in OP }

47 total: 29.8% TN, 29.8% IPS, 40.4% VA (not recalc. after small modifications)

 

[DRavisher]

Forgot to say thanks for a great thread and input xtknight

Any particular reason the HP LP3065 isn't on your list? It seems likely it's the same panel as the Dell 3007WFP-HC, and has three DVI ports. Just wondering since I'll likely be buying one of these two displays soon.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: fillalph
Another one of the suggestion posts.
Size wise: 19 - 24
Price: 399 or so (MAYBE a bit more if it was worth it)
Usage: I have a dSLR and want to get into some post processing (I am a hobbyist only though). Spend time doing "office" work such as surfing the net, word processing, MATLAB, I use AutoCAD a bit too. As for gaming, I don't really.Location: Vancouver, Canada (not sure if it would help)

The Samsung 215T looked alright, but the input lag was a turn off.
I gave the 226WT/WTX a good look but this thread really turned me off from it: http://forums.dpreview.com/for...=22694763&q=226wt&qf=m
I thought about the Samsung 226BW. I didn't see it listed anywhere in xtknight's recommendation list though.
(Is it worth waiting for the Samsung 226CW or the high gamut from LG?)

Input lag is a turnoff mostly for hardcore gamers in FPS games. NCIX, in Vancouver has the 215TW for less than $500 now, so it could be an option.

As for the 226CW (Samsung) and L227WT (LG) high-gamut monitors, I think they are worth the wait, if only because initially at least, they should have true Samsung and LG-Philips panels respectively.

The 226CW has been available on BestBuy.ca for some time, and went on sale for $C 399 at some point, but now it is no longer listed. It is becoming available in the US, so I guess it will be widely available before the LG L227, which is not expected before September, possibly later. I read in an LCD industry article that LG-Philips can't produce enough 22-inch wide panels and that additional capacity for this size will only come online sometimes in August.

In my own case, I am waiting to see the LG L227 with my own eyes before I decide anything. In Canada, it is almost certain that it will be priced significantly lower than the Samsung 226CW. For some reason, LG has a very agressive pricing stategy in Canada, while Samsung seems to maintain premium prices like a Korean Sony

 

[fillalph]

The 215WT looks like a decent monitor. A bit more than I want to spend though. I would love to see what the input lag is like though. Hopefully I can find one on display somewhere or from a big box store where I can return it if it isn't up to par.

I noticed that some monitors that were listed on the first page in the recommended section aren't there any longer (Samsung215WT) for instance. Any particular reason for removing it?

Thanks

 

[lowboyee]

I think he took the 215TW out of the running because it's discontinued.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: fillalph
The 215WT looks like a decent monitor. A bit more than I want to spend though. I would love to see what the input lag is like though. Hopefully I can find one on display somewhere or from a big box store where I can return it if it isn't up to par.

I noticed that some monitors that were listed on the first page in the recommended section aren't there any longer (Samsung215WT) for instance. Any particular reason for removing it?Thanks

I have posted a link just above showing the 215TW is discontinued. As for input lag, it has to be put in perspective. You could find this XBit Labs article about input lag (on the 215TW even), interesting.

 

[fillalph]

Thanks BernardP. That link was really helpful.

Now that it is pointed out, it makes sense why the 215wt was removed. I have been searching for it online and found quite a few retailers that were carrying it so ... I figured it would still be on the list . My bad

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: xtknight


HOME THEATER PC

Westinghouse LVM-37W3
Sceptre X37SV-Naga

47 total: 29.8% TN, 29.8% IPS, 40.4% VA

As one of the first ones to utilize the Westy's and Sceptres here, I would recommend you include my present 1080p HTPC LCD nowadays: Westy 47" LCM (or even the newer TX models with built in tuners).....easily better picture then my previous 37" Sceptres / Westys.

 

[xtknight]

The milliseconds "response time" measurement was removed from each entry because it was useless and not necessarily representative of real-world performance. The "image delay" entry will be the new measurement.

The 214T was removed because it was too expensive for what it was. Even though the recommendations are supposed to be "regardless" of price, there is no world where price doesn't matter and I don't think the 214T is a remotely good deal.

The 215TW was removed because it was discontinued.
The 2407WFP was removed because it was discontinued.
The FP241WZ has replaced the FP241W in gaming because it has less input lag and a faster response time at only a slightly higher price tag.

Photo editing was remerged back into one section. I did actually find some LCDs very suitable for it that had reviews, but most of the LCDs are quite expensive.

I made the whole list from scratch so there may be a few rearrangements of the ones that were up there, but nothing huge. If it was up there a day (or 3 years) ago, it was still a great LCD, so don't worry about that.

The 226BW isn't up there because of the panel lottery. Same goes for the 2007WFP, 2007FP, and LP2065.

And if all that's not enough say hello to your 30" friends, the Dell 3007WFP-HC and Samsung 305T (both wide gamut).

The NEC 20WMGX2 (silver) is available for $430 now, which is a great deal.

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: xtknight


HOME THEATER PC

Westinghouse LVM-37W3
Sceptre X37SV-Naga

47 total: 29.8% TN, 29.8% IPS, 40.4% VA

As one of the first ones to utilize the Westy's and Sceptres here, I would recommend you include my present 1080p HTPC LCD nowadays: Westy 47" LCM (or even the newer TX models with built in tuners).....easily better picture then my previous 37" Sceptres / Westys.

Ah, awesome. That'll be added, then. I'm assuming pretty much all of the Westys make good HTPC LCDs? Is there really such a thing as a "bad" HTPC LCD? You mentioned some don't always do 1080p and that was a no-no for HTPCing (and I agree there). For the ones that do mention 1080p, that doesn't necessarily mean they do it perfectly due to overscan, is that correct?

Do you have any other HTPC LCDs 37" < x < 47" that you would recommend (for x)?

I actually had a chance to hook up my Mitsubishi 42" 1080p LCD TV to this PC via DVI and it wasn't all that bad. Video playback and Google Earth were awesome. It wasn't as good as the 20WMGX2 for most things (e.g. skin tones), at least in PC mode, which was disappointing. On the good side, it was a lot bigger and brighter (VA panel). It doesn't make a good monitor nearly as well as it makes a good TV. Response time seems very high also, even for a lot of TV programs. How is response time/lag on your 47"? And do you have any idea about the panel used inside?

 

[amking]

alright xtknight i guess i'm finally going to make the transition to an lcd (been looking on and off @ them + this thread for well over a year now). the main reason i'm now actively looking (again) to purchase is b/c the 20wmgx2 is down to $430 + shipping, as you know. however i havent just gone and purchased one because i recently have had the chance to extensively use a couple different lcd's (mostly TN panel samsungs) and i thought they looked very good. i'm more or less thinking that if i cant even tell the difference, why spend extra money just for a panel that resides in a ***** case with poor design/ergonomics? i believe the model i used the most was the samsung 226bw.

last year when i got into all this lcd research (and trying out some models) i picked up a 2007wfp (pva) and returned it b/c it (to me) had a nasty screen door look to it and i couldnt stand it. it really did have a great design tho... such a shame. anyway i wanted to ask, have TN panels/technology improved at all since then? why do you think the samsung looked so acceptable to me? given the specs of my ideal monitor below, what do you recommend?

1680x1050
20.1"-22"
fast enough for fps games
height adjustment

the last one can be left off i guess... but i really prefer 1680x1050 to 1920x1080 and will be playing games like 2142, cs/hl2, and cod4. i noticed the pixel pitch on the smaller monitors is lower... is it a huge difference? is a 21" an acceptable middle ground?

so far i have noted the following models with some interest:

LCD2070WNX-BK
225BW/216BW/226BW
L206WTY

Is there anything "wrong" with any of those lcds? What do you think my chances of getting a good 2007wfp are these days?

 

[goldpete]

I've been researching for a 22" LCD and happened to stumble upon this thread and I must say that this has been the most comprehensive source of information that I could ask for; kudos to you xtknight for your extensive wealth of data.

Originally, I was leaning towards the Samsung 226BW but after reading this thread it sounds like my choice will be a LG L226WT variant, which brings me to my question: what do you recommend as the minimum for videocards for gaming on a 22" and a 24" LCD respectively?
I also looked at the 24 inchers from Dell, HP, and Samsung but I couldn't justify the $200+ for the additional 2 inches, power consumption, and lag, comparatively.

Currently, I have an aging system (2.0 P4, 1G RAM, 7600GT (agp), VP930b) that I will replace in the future.

 

[fillalph]

For a 22", I would recommend a 8800gts.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: mingus
So what is the 24" LCD of choice now? in the $600usd range. mostly photography, internet etc. Is the new Dell HC not quite the older model?

The new HC covers a wider gamut but is less accurate, so it's not up to the 2407's quality in photo editing.

The BenQ FP241W is the current 24" star for <$700.

Originally posted by: fillalph
Another one of the suggestion posts.
Size wise: 19 - 24
Price: 399 or so (MAYBE a bit more if it was worth it)
Usage: I have a dSLR and want to get into some post processing (I am a hobbyist only though). Spend time doing "office" work such as surfing the net, word processing, MATLAB, I use AutoCAD a bit too. As for gaming, I don't really. It would be nice to be able to though, but I am not hardcore at all (Starcraft I is a sweet game .
Note: I move a lot (student, different dorms etc) so I think a matte screen might be better as my lighting situation will change (not a huge factor though)
Location: Vancouver, Canada (not sure if it would help)

The Samsung 215T looked alright, but the input lag was a turn off.
I gave the 226WT/WTX a good look but this thread really turned me off from it: http://forums.dpreview.com/for...=22694763&q=226wt&qf=m
I thought about the Samsung 226BW. I didn't see it listed anywhere in xtknight's recommendation list though.
(Is it worth waiting for the Samsung 226CW or the high gamut from LG?)

I was going to say go for the deal on the NEC but I don't think that's available in Canada.

The 226BW from Samsung was in a panel lottery, so it was removed.

I have tried the L226WT (L226WTX) myself and I strongly disagree with his sentiments. Its contrast was better than the 20WMGX2 and its color accuracy wasn't that far behind. My main gripe was just viewing angles, but most people are fine with TNs, I'm just picky. He probably just had it in the wrong F-engine mode. I guess for midtones it had a little trouble but still a good overall LCD IMO. Probably better than this P-MVA VP930b I have here in all categories except viewing angle.

The L226WT was the best LCD I've ever used when it came to office work, so clearly me and him got ahold of a different unit.

The high gamut 226CW and L227WT? I don't think they're worth it right now. They'll be more expensive, and they're still TNs.

You may also consider the Samsung 971P. It also has great color, but gaming and multimedia won't be so good since it has some response time control problems. It won't be that bad for occasional multimedia.

P.S. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...77503230&ref=06&loc=01

The 226CW is available for $380 USD, but compared to the 226BW that's a $60+ premium. Besides, you'd get much better image accuracy/contrast with the Samsung 971P hands down, even though it's a 72% gamut monitor.

All these reports of the 971P's ghosting/ringing are kind of scaring me too, though. So, for gaming, treat it like your normal 25 ms response time monitor (don't use it for that.)

For editing photos it should be awesome. I should probably add that it can only be controlled via software too. Official software is available for Windows and Mac I think with decent video card compatibility (and other "MCCS" software can also control this monitor). Linux support is available through a few unofficial apps. The 971P's image quality is just too good to knock it for its response time issues. It still has better response time than the other half of the monitors I recommend for photo editing.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DRavisher
Forgot to say thanks for a great thread and input xtknight

Any particular reason the HP LP3065 isn't on your list? It seems likely it's the same panel as the Dell 3007WFP-HC, and has three DVI ports. Just wondering since I'll likely be buying one of these two displays soon.

Hmm...there are no images of the LP3065 on DigitalVersus. It hasn't been reviewed by BeHardware yet. Its global availability isn't as good as the 3007WFP-HC, which is available almost everywhere in the world AFAIK. It's a bit more expensive, also. That's about it. I'm not aware of any serious issues with the LP3065, and it's very likely its performance is similar.

 

[Skott]

Circuit City is selling the LG L226WTQ-BF and NewEgg Has the LG L226WTY. Both list for $349. No idea which is the better model. Hard to keep up with all these new subtle changes they keep adding to the L226 line . I do know they are starting to run out of the alphabet numbering system though. <g>

 

[fillalph]

xtknight: thanks for your reply. Super helpful! Since my monitors are multipurpose, the 971P won't be a good match for me. If I could get an S panel with the 226BW from Samsung, how would that stack up against the L226WT from LG? The one thing I like better in the LG is the matte screen

Thanks

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: amking
alright xtknight i guess i'm finally going to make the transition to an lcd (been looking on and off @ them + this thread for well over a year now). the main reason i'm now actively looking (again) to purchase is b/c the 20wmgx2 is down to $430 + shipping, as you know. however i havent just gone and purchased one because i recently have had the chance to extensively use a couple different lcd's (mostly TN panel samsungs) and i thought they looked very good. i'm more or less thinking that if i cant even tell the difference, why spend extra money just for a panel that resides in a ***** case with poor design/ergonomics? i believe the model i used the most was the samsung 226bw.

last year when i got into all this lcd research (and trying out some models) i picked up a 2007wfp (pva) and returned it b/c it (to me) had a nasty screen door look to it and i couldnt stand it. it really did have a great design tho... such a shame. anyway i wanted to ask, have TN panels/technology improved at all since then? why do you think the samsung looked so acceptable to me? given the specs of my ideal monitor below, what do you recommend?

TNs actually have improved quite a bit. The only outstanding issue with them these days is viewing angle. Color reproduction is quite good.

1680x1050
20.1"-22"
fast enough for fps games
height adjustment

the last one can be left off i guess... but i really prefer 1680x1050 to 1920x1080 and will be playing games like 2142, cs/hl2, and cod4. i noticed the pixel pitch on the smaller monitors is lower... is it a huge difference? is a 21" an acceptable middle ground?

I'd actually prefer a 21" or 22" screen myself. The 20.1" is too small for text.

so far i have noted the following models with some interest:

LCD2070WNX-BK
225BW/216BW/226BW
L206WTY

Is there anything "wrong" with any of those lcds? What do you think my chances of getting a good 2007wfp are these days?

The Samsung 226BW might be your best choice since you can get color profiles for all panel variations of it.

The L226WTQ/L226WTY would be my choice. It doesn't have height adjustment, however.

Getting an S-IPS in a 2007WFP today is probably less likely, but again I don't read up on it everyday. I'm still not going to recommend it ever again until it is all S-IPS. Check HardForum.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: amking
alright xtknight i guess i'm finally going to make the transition to an lcd (been looking on and off @ them + this thread for well over a year now). the main reason i'm now actively looking (again) to purchase is b/c the 20wmgx2 is down to $430 + shipping, as you know. however i havent just gone and purchased one because i recently have had the chance to extensively use a couple different lcd's (mostly TN panel samsungs) and i thought they looked very good. i'm more or less thinking that if i cant even tell the difference, why spend extra money just for a panel that resides in a ***** case with poor design/ergonomics? i believe the model i used the most was the samsung 226bw.

last year when i got into all this lcd research (and trying out some models) i picked up a 2007wfp (pva) and returned it b/c it (to me) had a nasty screen door look to it and i couldnt stand it. it really did have a great design tho... such a shame. anyway i wanted to ask, have TN panels/technology improved at all since then? why do you think the samsung looked so acceptable to me? given the specs of my ideal monitor below, what do you recommend?

TNs actually have improved quite a bit. The only outstanding issue with them these days is viewing angle. Color reproduction is quite good.

1680x1050
20.1"-22"
fast enough for fps games
height adjustment

the last one can be left off i guess... but i really prefer 1680x1050 to 1920x1080 and will be playing games like 2142, cs/hl2, and cod4. i noticed the pixel pitch on the smaller monitors is lower... is it a huge difference? is a 21" an acceptable middle ground?

I'd actually prefer a 21" or 22" screen myself. The 20.1" is too small for text.

so far i have noted the following models with some interest:

LCD2070WNX-BK
225BW/216BW/226BW
L206WTY

Is there anything "wrong" with any of those lcds? What do you think my chances of getting a good 2007wfp are these days?

The 225BW uses a CMO panel and it's just in general poor quality. No outstanding issues with the other ones AFAIK.

The Samsung 226BW might be your best choice since you can get color profiles for all panel variations of it.

The L226WTQ/L226WTY would be my choice. It doesn't have height adjustment, however.

Getting an S-IPS in a 2007WFP today is probably less likely, but again I don't read up on it everyday. I'm still not going to recommend it ever again until it is all S-IPS. Check HardForum.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: goldpete
I've been researching for a 22" LCD and happened to stumble upon this thread and I must say that this has been the most comprehensive source of information that I could ask for; kudos to you xtknight for your extensive wealth of data.

Originally, I was leaning towards the Samsung 226BW but after reading this thread it sounds like my choice will be a LG L226WT variant, which brings me to my question: what do you recommend as the minimum for videocards for gaming on a 22" and a 24" LCD respectively?

I also looked at the 24 inchers from Dell, HP, and Samsung but I couldn't justify the $200+ for the additional 2 inches, power consumption, and lag, comparatively.

Currently, I have an aging system (2.0 P4, 1G RAM, 7600GT (agp), VP930b) that I will replace in the future.

My GeForce 7800GT works fine with the L226WT. But, I only tried UT2004 and a little BF2. STALKER runs like crap (no surprise there). I'm sure there's a better card out today, such as the mentioned 8800GTS. Today, that's going for the same $ I paid for my 7800GT. I don't know if they fixed the LCD scaling with the 8 series though.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: lowboyee

Originally posted by: xtknight
Hmm..sorry, I don't know much about laptop LCDs. I knew IBM had some IPS ones in some of their Thinkpads, but that's about it. Laptop LCDs are almost never tested, although AnandTech had one small round-up ending in disappointing results.

The IPS was marketed as the Flexview, which was widely regarded as a great screen. It's a shame that it was only a 4:3 panel and they discontinued offering it in the last generation of laptops. It's a sad state of affairs in the laptop screen world...

In better news, I need a monitor for development, design, and photo editing. From what I've read (this guide and otherwise), I'm leaning towards the Samsung 215TW or NEC 20WMG, but the glossy screen on the NEC is somewhat worrying.

The NEC is a dream monitor for what you're doing...I have similar hobbies and I love it for those purposes. The primary advantage of a glossy screen is that it increases transmissivity, possibly making it easier on the eyes. Plus you don't see that typical matte pattern when you're reading the screen.

Just to give you an idea, looking at my VP930b (matte P-MVA) from a slight angle causes more light reflection than does looking at my NEC at any angle. Although it glares more on the glossy screen, it still feels better on the eyes.

As it stands, I can barely see a single reflection in the daytime. I actually have a window (the light shades help a bit) behind me too. It is never bothersome to my eyes. At lower brightnesses (they weren't lying when they said 470 nits) and normal distance viewing the NEC is great. My only gripe is small font size (which is more a software issue anyway). Contrast isn't perfect (it's about 700:1 in reality), but colors (and even midtones) sure do pop out. Other LCDs with higher contrasts still don't have the vibrance of the NEC even if they have purer whites.

I have had a few QC-related issues with the NEC such as the heat burn-in problem at the top of the screen (described a few pages prior). Also normal burn-in can occur after awhile. The heat problem seems to have not gotten any worse. I rarely notice burn-in on a regular basis, and it only occurs on high-contrast black against white, from what I can tell. Sure I probably wish these things wouldn't have happened, but they have been rather minor issues in my day-to-day usage of this monitor. Maybe later revs have fixed the problems. Besides, maybe the heat problem is isolated to my unit, because I've never heard of anyone else having the problem. I have heard of (possibly worse) general burn-in on other models.

The first time I turned on this LCD I was amazed, and I still am to this day.

P.S. I should probably mention the glare is a lot more evident on darker images, but I actually prefer it anyway to how the light affects a matte screen in the same conditions. It adversely affects a matte screen's image, while it only adds a reflection to the glossy panel. Your opinion may vary.

 

[amking]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: amking
last year when i got into all this lcd research (and trying out some models) i picked up a 2007wfp (pva) and returned it b/c it (to me) had a nasty screen door look to it and i couldnt stand it. it really did have a great design tho... such a shame. anyway i wanted to ask, have TN panels/technology improved at all since then? why do you think the samsung looked so acceptable to me? given the specs of my ideal monitor below, what do you recommend?

TNs actually have improved quite a bit. The only outstanding issue with them these days is viewing angle. Color reproduction is quite good.

1680x1050
20.1"-22"
fast enough for fps games
height adjustment

the last one can be left off i guess... but i really prefer 1680x1050 to 1920x1080 and will be playing games like 2142, cs/hl2, and cod4. i noticed the pixel pitch on the smaller monitors is lower... is it a huge difference? is a 21" an acceptable middle ground?

I'd actually prefer a 21" or 22" screen myself. The 20.1" is too small for text.

so far i have noted the following models with some interest:

LCD2070WNX-BK
225BW/216BW/226BW
L206WTY

Is there anything "wrong" with any of those lcds? What do you think my chances of getting a good 2007wfp are these days?

The Samsung 226BW might be your best choice since you can get color profiles for all panel variations of it.

The L226WTQ/L226WTY would be my choice. It doesn't have height adjustment, however.

Getting an S-IPS in a 2007WFP today is probably less likely, but again I don't read up on it everyday. I'm still not going to recommend it ever again until it is all S-IPS. Check HardForum.

i'll check around at hardforum/etc to see what dell is shipping more of right now. any particular reason you can think of that the pva 2007wfp i picked up last year had such a "screen door" look to its matte finish? is that common? the 226bw i'm looking @ right now doesnt have it and its matte.

as for the screen sizes, i would have figured that you'd recommend the smaller size for the smaller pixel pitch... wasnt really considering the 21/22" ones. guess i'll have to look into that a bit more... any other 20.1" vs 22" pros/cons?

both the 226bw and the L226 would be fine for gaming, right? (response time/lag wise). thoughts on the 2070wnx? given the specs i mentioned above, whats the best lcd with height adjustment?

as always thanks a million for the info and dedicated responses... this thread is above and beyond the best source for lcd info on the web.

 

[amaranth]

Hello,

Google took me here - I was searching for possible panels the HP w2207 could have. On the first page it is said that w2207 has an unknown panel.

I'd just like to add that at least my w2207 has the LG.Philips LM220WE1 panel. I got this info from the Service menu.

 

[jyeager]

First, I need to say that this is the single greatest link I've ever had forwarded to me. Thanks for creating it, xt.

Now, it appears after brushing up on this thread that for my purposes (Graphic Design, Multimedia) the standout 24" choices are the BenQ FP241WZ and Dell 2407WFP-HC.

These are listed as ~$790 USD and ~$679 USD respectively, with the BenQ over $110 more than the Dell HC.

Here in Canada however, NCIX offers the BenQ WZ @ $690 CND (ie, $650 USD... that's $140 below market value). Meanwhile, Dell.ca sells the HC at $800 CND ($754 USD), which is over $100 more than the estimated market value listed by xtknight.

I realize estimates are just estimates, but am I crazy for even hesitating to pull the trigger on the BenQ given the price it's going for as a NCIX special of the week... or are there better deals I can get for the Dell HC that I don't know about? If I can get the Dell for roughly the same price as the WZ (which is supposed to be over 100$ pricier than the Dell in the first place) then I may very well go Dell instead of BenQ.

Thanks.

(I posted this as a new thread but it seems xtknight only hangs out in this one so... haha)