[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well the "best 1920x1200 gaming monitor" is subjective. The BenQ G2400WD, probably, but that's mainly because it has more scaling options that work properly than some other 24" TN panels of its size, not because it has better image quality.

I think the HP w2408h and G24 probably have as good of image quality as the G2400WD does, but do realize the former are glossy panels.

I'd take IPS/PVA 24" panels if I were gaming just because I hate TN viewing angles, especially when I have to pay $400 for those types of viewing angles. So if you want *my* opinion of the best gaming monitor, then probably the NEC LCD2490WUXi (true sRGB/application-independent calibration) followed by the HP LP2475w. In my list I try to cater to what "others" think matters in gaming, which is allegedly response time and input lag. Personally I don't really care about these, but I'm not a "competitive" or clan gamer (anymore) either. And let's face it, we have to enumerate the fastest LCDs somewhere, and where else is that more appropriate than the Gaming category? I'd always look at the Multimedia category if I were looking for a panel for myself.

If you want a "great" gaming monitor then look for an NEC 20WMGX2. Most pro gamers probably wouldn't use anything over 1680x1050, anyways. All you get with a higher resolution is a tad more detail, which can be emulated at subpixel level with 2xSSAA if you really want it, but I don't think they'd ever, ever use AA either due to the performance hit. I think 24" is too big for gaming since it's hard to see the whole screen as easily.

I see.

Well, using input lag as the only (or the most major) criteria, would the BenQ G2400WD still be the best, in all of history (as far as you know)?

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Kaido
Yeah, 2408WFP.

Hmmm, well it's up to you I guess. I'm not sure it's worth you spending that much even though you're stepping up to an IPS panel with roughly the same gamut (LP2475w), or less in the case of the LCD26.

If I were you I would hold out for LED IPS panels. Are you not getting satisfactory performance from your current panel? Is there something in specific that you are looking for? Wider gamut is good but it's not always going to help you.

The LCD2690 may be worth it due to its great grayscale performance. But it's a little less gamut.

The HP doesn't have the LUT that the LCD26 does, but it has a little higher gamut and an IPS panel. And unfortunately, some uniformity problems sometimes...

At least if I were in your position I might consider the Apple LED IPS 24" panel. http://www.google.com/products...60&sa=title#ps-sellers

Surprisingly, its price is rather reasonable for LED and IPS. Maybe I should have that on my list, but I haven't seen any pro reviews of it or anything. You need an adapter to hook it up to a DVI port.

Well, the ultimate goal is getting the perfect monitor for color-correction and print design, so if my current 2408WFP is the best, I can certainly stick with that!

It's definitely not the best, especially if you haven't calibrated it. However, it is no slouch either. It all depends on your expectations.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Kaido
Yeah, 2408WFP.

Hmmm, well it's up to you I guess. I'm not sure it's worth you spending that much even though you're stepping up to an IPS panel with roughly the same gamut (LP2475w), or less in the case of the LCD26.

If I were you I would hold out for LED IPS panels. Are you not getting satisfactory performance from your current panel? Is there something in specific that you are looking for? Wider gamut is good but it's not always going to help you.

The LCD2690 may be worth it due to its great grayscale performance. But it's a little less gamut.

The HP doesn't have the LUT that the LCD26 does, but it has a little higher gamut and an IPS panel. And unfortunately, some uniformity problems sometimes...

At least if I were in your position I might consider the Apple LED IPS 24" panel. http://www.google.com/products...60&sa=title#ps-sellers

Surprisingly, its price is rather reasonable for LED and IPS. Maybe I should have that on my list, but I haven't seen any pro reviews of it or anything. You need an adapter to hook it up to a DVI port.

Well, the ultimate goal is getting the perfect monitor for color-correction and print design, so if my current 2408WFP is the best, I can certainly stick with that!

It's definitely not the best, especially if you haven't calibrated it. However, it is no slouch either. It all depends on your expectations.

It isn't the best...but it's not far from it. The LP2475w is probably the best. Both the 2408WFP and LP2475w have unusually large gamuts. But I mean VA has some advantages too like darker black level. IPS just has more stable viewing angles. The real 'best' would be something like the NEC LCD3090WQXi but that's not 24", either. This is because it has a high res calibratable LUT along with a big gamut.

At this point I doubt it's worth him spending the extra on an LCD that's going to give him marginal improvements. Going for an LED panel like the Apple is probably the best idea. That's an IPS at least, and the LED gives you a yet bigger gamut. (Even then, I think buying the Apple is a bit overkill at $800 but hey at least you get more improvement.)

Getting a colorimeter should be his first goal. You're going to have to make sure you get one that's good with wide gamut (i1 Display 2 or Spyder3) and calibrate it to the right targets.

 

[Luddite]

Does the HP LP2475w have a wider gamut than the NEC LCD 2690WUXi2 Wide Gamut?

http://www.necdisplay.com/Prod...484f-a4de-14309a636738

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Kaido
Yeah, 2408WFP.

Hmmm, well it's up to you I guess. I'm not sure it's worth you spending that much even though you're stepping up to an IPS panel with roughly the same gamut (LP2475w), or less in the case of the LCD26.

If I were you I would hold out for LED IPS panels. Are you not getting satisfactory performance from your current panel? Is there something in specific that you are looking for? Wider gamut is good but it's not always going to help you.

The LCD2690 may be worth it due to its great grayscale performance. But it's a little less gamut.

The HP doesn't have the LUT that the LCD26 does, but it has a little higher gamut and an IPS panel. And unfortunately, some uniformity problems sometimes...

At least if I were in your position I might consider the Apple LED IPS 24" panel. http://www.google.com/products...60&sa=title#ps-sellers

Surprisingly, its price is rather reasonable for LED and IPS. Maybe I should have that on my list, but I haven't seen any pro reviews of it or anything. You need an adapter to hook it up to a DVI port.

Well, the ultimate goal is getting the perfect monitor for color-correction and print design, so if my current 2408WFP is the best, I can certainly stick with that!

It's definitely not the best, especially if you haven't calibrated it. However, it is no slouch either. It all depends on your expectations.

It isn't the best...but it's not far from it. The LP2475w is probably the best. Both the 2408WFP and LP2475w have unusually large gamuts. But I mean VA has some advantages too like darker black level. IPS just has more stable viewing angles. The real 'best' would be something like the NEC LCD3090WQXi but that's not 24", either. This is because it has a high res calibratable LUT along with a big gamut.

At this point I doubt it's worth him spending the extra on an LCD that's going to give him marginal improvements. Going for an LED panel like the Apple is probably the best idea. That's an IPS at least, and the LED gives you a yet bigger gamut. (Even then, I think buying the Apple is a bit overkill at $800 but hey at least you get more improvement.)

Getting a colorimeter should be his first goal. You're going to have to make sure you get one that's good with wide gamut (i1 Display 2 or Spyder3) and calibrate it to the right targets.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, except that the HP is the best. Maybe within a price range but I would put these above the HP:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002168

for standard gamut

or any EIZO or Lacie 24" display

I know I know...I broke the price barrier

Also, like you said, PVA is good at some things that IPS isn't so great at. I personally think there is a bit too much IPS love out there right now and that PVA is a better option for most people. That's just me and I don't think being IPS makes a display the best. I would say both PVA and IPS displays can currently be top in their category.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
I agree with pretty much everything you said, except that the HP is the best. Maybe within a price range but I would put these above the HP:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002168

for standard gamut

or any EIZO or Lacie 24" display

I know I know...I broke the price barrier

Also, like you said, PVA is good at some things that IPS isn't so great at. I personally think there is a bit too much IPS love out there right now and that PVA is a better option for most people. That's just me and I don't think being IPS makes a display the best. I would say both PVA and IPS displays can currently be top in their category.

Yeah since he's doing print work though the 2408WFP is probably better than the LCD2490...at least for that purpose exclusively. But for [sRGB] photo editing alone, yeah the LCD2490 is better.

Originally posted by: Luddite
Does the HP LP2475w have a wider gamut than the NEC LCD 2690WUXi2 Wide Gamut?

http://www.necdisplay.com/Prod...484f-a4de-14309a636738

I don't know...perhaps a little bit.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: dandv
@xtknight: Indeed, LaCie is missing from the recommendations post. With their zero-tolerance dead pixel policy and A-TW-IPS panels, they could be the #1 choice for professional color work.

Also, the lcdresource.com website linked to in the first post is DNS-parked.

I suppose you're right, but it's a shame I really don't see any data or reviews on the LaCies anymore. I did hear that in other countries, they are cheaper than the NEC, so that's why I'm going to recommend them but in second place just due to lack of solid data on which ones are better, and the fact that I've had experience with an NEC personally.

I'm a little hesitant to believe the 0 dead pixel policy for LaCie. I cannot find anywhere on the US site where it states this. And, the page you linked essentially has conflicting info on it. Perhaps they will only replace black and white pixels, or at least this is what I gathered out of it. The red, green, blue 'stuck' pixels are just as bad. On my LCD2690 I received a red at off center and another green a ways up from that.

http://www.hardforum.com/showp...032751110&postcount=25

Anyway I don't care so much about dead pixel policies. Generally what a lot of people do is just exchange for a refurb, which most manufacturers will let you do after a little or not much hassling. AFAIK NEC America has basically always allowed that, and so do Dell and HP.

I don't know what to do about the LCD2490WUXi2 and LCD2690WUXi2 models, but I do know they lack the A-TW polarizer, because the supplier of A-TW polarizers is out of business. I'm pretty sure that means nothing has A-TW anymore, except overstock.

I'm still trying to get ahold of the guy who registered lcdresource.com (and for a long time at least provided my hosting). I was going to transfer the hosting to a free hosting site but I can't get the domain name right now.

There's something in the specs of the LaCie 526 that I don't quite understand. It says 12-bit gamma correction with 16-bit calculation precision. I assume this means it has a 12-bit LUT but uses data from a 16-bit LUT (ICC profile). So it would have a slightly less precise LUT than the LCD2690, which is 14-bit, but 12-bit vs 14-bit shouldn't be noticeable. Both are so huge. Eizo has 16-bit. I've heard that the LaCie is just a rebranded LCD2690 for a higher price (now it's about the same price).

I don't think I will ever recommend Eizo because IMO they are way too expensive for what they are worth. Most of them are S-PVA now too and although IPS isn't that much better, stable viewing angles do matter a bit and when you can get IPS for hundreds cheaper then why not...I do have a method to my madness.

So as far as the OP goes, hopefully within the next week I'm going to do another typical "big update" which includes:
- BenQ E2400HD (G2400WD is going out of stock)
- LaCie 526 (essentially rebranded LCD2690 and no compelling reason not to recommend it in at least 2nd place)
- ASUS VW246H or VK246H (it's decent and one of the few 24" TNs we have good data on)
- Still thinking about the BenQ E2200HD, but I like the mostly favorable AnandTech review.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well the "best 1920x1200 gaming monitor" is subjective. The BenQ G2400WD, probably, but that's mainly because it has more scaling options that work properly than some other 24" TN panels of its size, not because it has better image quality.

I think the HP w2408h and G24 probably have as good of image quality as the G2400WD does, but do realize the former are glossy panels.

I'd take IPS/PVA 24" panels if I were gaming just because I hate TN viewing angles, especially when I have to pay $400 for those types of viewing angles. So if you want *my* opinion of the best gaming monitor, then probably the NEC LCD2490WUXi (true sRGB/application-independent calibration) followed by the HP LP2475w. In my list I try to cater to what "others" think matters in gaming, which is allegedly response time and input lag. Personally I don't really care about these, but I'm not a "competitive" or clan gamer (anymore) either. And let's face it, we have to enumerate the fastest LCDs somewhere, and where else is that more appropriate than the Gaming category? I'd always look at the Multimedia category if I were looking for a panel for myself.

If you want a "great" gaming monitor then look for an NEC 20WMGX2. Most pro gamers probably wouldn't use anything over 1680x1050, anyways. All you get with a higher resolution is a tad more detail, which can be emulated at subpixel level with 2xSSAA if you really want it, but I don't think they'd ever, ever use AA either due to the performance hit. I think 24" is too big for gaming since it's hard to see the whole screen as easily.

I see.

Well, using input lag as the only (or the most major) criteria, would the BenQ G2400WD still be the best, in all of history (as far as you know)?

Yeah, as far as I know. But there are many 24" TNs with next to zero input lag. A lot of these "8 ms" input lag figures you're a little skeptical of, because how can you have half a frame of buffering? It doesn't really make any sense.

Something I read the other day (by a monitor designer) pretty much confirmed that the input lag was due to a frame buffer used for overdrive, and nothing else. And since S-PVA has such a hard time with the lower dark tones, the buffer had to be made larger in order to improve overdrive accuracy in this area. Otherwise you got streaking like on early revisions of the Dell 2407WFP-HC.

S-IPS only has a tilt angle of 45 degrees as opposed to the 90 degrees of S-PVA.

?????????VA?????????90°,??????IPS?????????????45°,??????????

( http://www.lgdisplay.com/homeC...g/tech/tech540_p_c.jsp )

= (thank you Google)

"Arranged in vertical movement of the VA is the largest angle of 90 °, but the level of the IPS with the molecular motion required for the largest angle is 45 °, so faster response."

In other words:

The highest tone for a VA panel is generated at 90 degrees, but the highest tone of IPS is generated at just 45 degrees. It takes a shorter period of time to go from 0-45 than 0-90. So, of course, you're going to need more overdrive for S-PVA especially when there's that pesky dark tone range.

http://www.lgdisplay.com/homeC...g/tech/tech530_p_c.jsp

Look at the red-outlined star shape at "Gray 42" on the VA graph.

If you look at some old X-Bit reviews of VA monitors, you can tell that's not propaganda.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/m...display/samsung_3.html

In fact, in many cases VA panels hit 80 ms or higher at dark gray at 60 Hz.

 

[imported_Kane233]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Kane233
Has anybody used the Acer G24? I'm looking for a solid 24" with all around acceptable multimedia functions but I'll be using it most for gaming, browsing, and word documents. I know that some have a backlight issue but it looks like Acer is willing to take them back and replace them if that arises.

Any other suggestions for a 24" that meets these demands? I chose the G24 due to the price/available reviews. I was interested in the BenQ G2400WD but I haven't seen much feedback on that model. I wanted to try out an IPA panel but all of them look like they're out of my price range...I need under $400 MSRP.

Much appreciated.

Well the G24 seems to be an acceptable choice for you. I recommend it particularly for gaming, but it's also good for multimedia. You might also look at the HP w2408h.

Well, I've got a Samsung 206BW and I'm looking for substantial improvement in the multimedia area with a fast enough response time and little input lag. In terms of the G24 v. the BenQ2400 I decided to go with the Acer because of the wider color gamut. Why would you recommend the 2408?

 

[albovin]

User's review of the samsung F2380 - new c(?)PVA

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Josh7289
xt,

What do you see in the future for 1920 x 1200 resolution monitors, especially for gaming-happy models? Is the horizon basically filled with 1080p only?


I'm wondering if I should bite the bullet and hunt down a BenQ G2400WD now, or wait until October to buy a new monitor as I was originally going to do.

There are many 1080p models but I'm sure a few other 1920x1200 LCDs will be coming out.

You could get an HP w2408h or Acer G24 for gaming. These are decent.

Alright alright, then how about good ones, not just decent ones?

Well actually, it's pretty hard to find the G2400WD right now, so if I'm going to be looking at buying a hard-to-find monitor, I might as well look all the way into the past.

What I mean is, what's the best 1920 x 1200 monitor for gaming (low input lag) that you've ever heard of, xtknight?

Well the "best 1920x1200 gaming monitor" is subjective. The BenQ G2400WD, probably, but that's mainly because it has more scaling options that work properly than some other 24" TN panels of its size, not because it has better image quality.

I think the HP w2408h and G24 probably have as good of image quality as the G2400WD does, but do realize the former are glossy panels.

I'd take IPS/PVA 24" panels if I were gaming just because I hate TN viewing angles, especially when I have to pay $400 for those types of viewing angles. So if you want *my* opinion of the best gaming monitor, then probably the NEC LCD2490WUXi (true sRGB/application-independent calibration) followed by the HP LP2475w.

Oi. Been there done that with the s-pva (Sammy 215tw). You know more than I do obviously about the world of LCDs and their place in gaming, photo editing, movie viewing, et. al. But if my s-pva was in any way typical you don't want to game on it with something moving on your screen than you need to be shooting at. Too much blurring. My LG TN destroys the Sammy and makes me feel like I'm sitting at my CRT like in the good ole days. If I want a good viewing experience, I sit on my comfy couch in front of my 50" panny plasma or 32 inch Toshiba LCD. But if I have a mouse in my hand in front of a computer shooting moving things, I eschew the perfect image for a monitor to keep up with the task at hand. And the only time I notice viewing angle issues is when I'm looking for them. There is only so much surface space your eye can focus on at one time and when it's a foot or two in front of a 24" inch screen viewing angle issues are practically nill.

 

[DaveLessnau]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau
Has anyone heard anything about Dell discontinuing the 2209WA? Since yesterday, Dell's product page has basically said there's no such thing. Searching and browsing their site also results in nothing.

It looks like they aren't selling it right now. No idea if it's permanently discontinued, but my guess is they are just experiencing problems keeping it in stock. I don't think they were expecting the volume of orders they received. I ordered it on the 18th, still waiting for them to ship. I think calling them might be best way to find out if they are continuing sales by phone at least.

EDIT: Talked to sales support online. Rep said that it is unlikely that the model is continued as it is new, and they are "extremely backordered" for that model. Not surprising, since everyone is recommending this monitor and it is priced very well. I read on another forum that people were getting expected delivery days in September right before the item was taken off, lol. That trumps my 3-5 weeks, July 16th date by a bit.

Too bad, I was hoping to order another monitor soon for dual setup if the first one met my expectations.

According to:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19283170.aspx

it looks like Dell might have actually discontinued the 2209WA. Hard to believe since it's so new and (from the material I've seen around the web) so well received.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau
Has anyone heard anything about Dell discontinuing the 2209WA? Since yesterday, Dell's product page has basically said there's no such thing. Searching and browsing their site also results in nothing.

It looks like they aren't selling it right now. No idea if it's permanently discontinued, but my guess is they are just experiencing problems keeping it in stock. I don't think they were expecting the volume of orders they received. I ordered it on the 18th, still waiting for them to ship. I think calling them might be best way to find out if they are continuing sales by phone at least.

EDIT: Talked to sales support online. Rep said that it is unlikely that the model is continued as it is new, and they are "extremely backordered" for that model. Not surprising, since everyone is recommending this monitor and it is priced very well. I read on another forum that people were getting expected delivery days in September right before the item was taken off, lol. That trumps my 3-5 weeks, July 16th date by a bit.

Too bad, I was hoping to order another monitor soon for dual setup if the first one met my expectations.

According to:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19283170.aspx

it looks like Dell might have actually discontinued the 2209WA. Hard to believe since it's so new and (from the material I've seen around the web) so well received.

That's messed up. My guess (only a guess) is they realized they could make a lot more money on their e-IPS (or they were losing money as it is), and will repackage it as a different LCD monitor instead of continuing the great value 2209WA. Now I'm not sure if they will even ship out the monitor I ordered nearly a month ago (Order status still reads "In Production" with a ship date of 7/10). I'm going to call them tomorrow morning. I was hoping to get a second monitor straight from Dell at a later date, but it's looking like that's not an option.

 

[mcvickj]

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau
Has anyone heard anything about Dell discontinuing the 2209WA? Since yesterday, Dell's product page has basically said there's no such thing. Searching and browsing their site also results in nothing.

It looks like they aren't selling it right now. No idea if it's permanently discontinued, but my guess is they are just experiencing problems keeping it in stock. I don't think they were expecting the volume of orders they received. I ordered it on the 18th, still waiting for them to ship. I think calling them might be best way to find out if they are continuing sales by phone at least.

EDIT: Talked to sales support online. Rep said that it is unlikely that the model is continued as it is new, and they are "extremely backordered" for that model. Not surprising, since everyone is recommending this monitor and it is priced very well. I read on another forum that people were getting expected delivery days in September right before the item was taken off, lol. That trumps my 3-5 weeks, July 16th date by a bit.

Too bad, I was hoping to order another monitor soon for dual setup if the first one met my expectations.

According to:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19283170.aspx

it looks like Dell might have actually discontinued the 2209WA. Hard to believe since it's so new and (from the material I've seen around the web) so well received.

I believe it. This is one of four monitors I've been looking at purchasing to replace my current monitor and have been having a heck of a time finding it. Looks like your link confirms it.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau
Has anyone heard anything about Dell discontinuing the 2209WA? Since yesterday, Dell's product page has basically said there's no such thing. Searching and browsing their site also results in nothing.

It looks like they aren't selling it right now. No idea if it's permanently discontinued, but my guess is they are just experiencing problems keeping it in stock. I don't think they were expecting the volume of orders they received. I ordered it on the 18th, still waiting for them to ship. I think calling them might be best way to find out if they are continuing sales by phone at least.

EDIT: Talked to sales support online. Rep said that it is unlikely that the model is continued as it is new, and they are "extremely backordered" for that model. Not surprising, since everyone is recommending this monitor and it is priced very well. I read on another forum that people were getting expected delivery days in September right before the item was taken off, lol. That trumps my 3-5 weeks, July 16th date by a bit.

Too bad, I was hoping to order another monitor soon for dual setup if the first one met my expectations.

According to:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19283170.aspx

it looks like Dell might have actually discontinued the 2209WA. Hard to believe since it's so new and (from the material I've seen around the web) so well received.

Maybe they are bringing out 16:9 version later?..I would not be surprised since most new LCDs are going 16:9 format,anyway e-PS 16:9 format LCD should sell well in my books,be interesting to see what Dell does down the road.

The first company to bring out a 24" 16:9 non TN panel ie e-PS/cVA etc... will have a nice head start for awhile and market to themselves for a bit.
I'm surprised they have not seen that hole in the market earlier.

 

[Crono]

At the last possible second before they were supposed to ship my 2209WA, Dell changes expected delivery date from 7/16/09 to 9/18/09.
Thanks, Dell, for not contacting me directly about the change, and waiting 1 month to figure out you don't have the item in stock. Great service

 

[Winterpool]

A Dell rep has responded in the aforementioned forum. He claims that the e-IPS manufacturer (LG Display?) cannot keep up with demand. He also states, in response to a punter's speculation, that the 2209WA was not priced too low.

I dunno, first-year microeconomics might suggest otherwise. If demand has been this high, clearly Dell (or LG) could have charged a higher price given the limited supply. Conversely, why hasn't LG Display been able to ramp up production. One would think in a worldwide recession that they'd be glad of the additional orders.

The Dell liaison does recommend the current orders be cancelled... and available monitors be ordered instead.

 

[Winterpool]

I think the odds of a panel lottery for this display have markedly increased, given the end-of-summer expected order fulfilment. Has it been confirmed that the fellow who was insisting the HP LP2475w would stop using H-IPS panels, was misinformed or deluded?

The existence of a sub-$400 IPS monitor always seemed something too good to be true.

And there won't be any more A-TW polarisers? Is this market getting worse instead of better?

 

[NTB]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: DaveLessnau
Has anyone heard anything about Dell discontinuing the 2209WA? Since yesterday, Dell's product page has basically said there's no such thing. Searching and browsing their site also results in nothing.

It looks like they aren't selling it right now. No idea if it's permanently discontinued, but my guess is they are just experiencing problems keeping it in stock. I don't think they were expecting the volume of orders they received. I ordered it on the 18th, still waiting for them to ship. I think calling them might be best way to find out if they are continuing sales by phone at least.

EDIT: Talked to sales support online. Rep said that it is unlikely that the model is continued as it is new, and they are "extremely backordered" for that model. Not surprising, since everyone is recommending this monitor and it is priced very well. I read on another forum that people were getting expected delivery days in September right before the item was taken off, lol. That trumps my 3-5 weeks, July 16th date by a bit.

Too bad, I was hoping to order another monitor soon for dual setup if the first one met my expectations.

According to:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19283170.aspx

it looks like Dell might have actually discontinued the 2209WA. Hard to believe since it's so new and (from the material I've seen around the web) so well received.

That's messed up. My guess (only a guess) is they realized they could make a lot more money on their e-IPS (or they were losing money as it is), and will repackage it as a different LCD monitor instead of continuing the great value 2209WA. Now I'm not sure if they will even ship out the monitor I ordered nearly a month ago (Order status still reads "In Production" with a ship date of 7/10). I'm going to call them tomorrow morning. I was hoping to get a second monitor straight from Dell at a later date, but it's looking like that's not an option.

Did they actually ship anything today? Just curious.

On a similar note, I searched Dell's website for the 2209wa, and came up empty; but when I ran the model # through google, I got the following:

UltraSharp 2209WA

Looks like that is Dell Canada though, and not the US

 

[cerebrus]

I live in Singapore, received my Dell 2209WA about a week ago. Was looking at the HP LP2475w, ended up with the 22" Dell due to cash shortage.

The model is listed as 2209WAf, Rev A01. Got it for SGP$350. I now cannot find it on the Dell Singapore website directly, have to search for it before it comes up.

 

[anantec]

You should add gateway FHD2401, i bought it recently and it is a very good monitor
i have the specs, if u need it

 

[tdoran1]

I have been discussing both the LG W2420P / W2220P models for the last two weeks with David Suaviso, Jr. - Eastern Territory Sales Manager, Channel Sales - Business Solutions Division ? LG Electronics USA, Inc. as no firm decision has been made either way as to if the two model should be brought in to the US for sale.

LG US is still strongly considering bringing in both the W2420P / W2220P models, and both have dual HDMI interfaces, 1920 x 1200 resolution, 5ms G2G response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio, 400 cd/m2 brightness for 24", 300 cd/m2 brightness for 22", 178/178 viewing angles, 1080p.

Their main sales office in NJ needs to be convinced that enough will sell in the US. I gather if they (LG US) think there is enough US interest LG will proceed to import the two models.

Of course, everyone who is interested in the US could, contact LG Electronics USA, Inc., 1000 Sylvan Avenue Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, U.S.A. 07632, telephone 201-816-2000. Maybe if enough calls received, they (LG US) may realize that there really is interest in this monitor line in the US.

Tim

 

[Crono]

Weird, I went to the Dell website today to look up their customer service number (to cancel the order for 2209WA), when I saw on the order status page that the order status is now SHIPPED. "Data Temporarily Unavailable" for ship date, carrier, and tracking number, but I'm hoping they post that by Monday.

 

[Winterpool]

Wasn't there a shipment of 700 Dell 2209WAs supposedly on its way from (I presume) E Asia? There was some speculation that the lucky current orders might be fulfilled.

Ah, the LG W2x20Ps... Are they H-IPS, S-IPS, e-IPS? LED-backlit? 16:9 or 16:10? Have one or more of them been cancelled? Will they ever ship (even the Europeans are still waiting)? Will LG deign to offer them in North America? Do these things really exist?

If the LG W2220P is IPS, standard gamut, 1920x1200, it could be my dream display (I want a smaller dot pitch, primarily for smooth photographs, and regret the loss of 23-inch 1920x1200 IPS monitors).

If the LG W2220P isn't vapourware, perhaps it's reasonable to speculate that the LG Display IPS factories are tooling up to produce their 22-inch panels. Dell might fall behind the mother chaebol as a customer. If the W2220P is indeed 1920x1200 (I've my doubts), perhaps the future Dell 2209WA replacement will have the same resolution?

 

[tdoran1]

Originally posted by: Winterpool
Wasn't there a shipment of 700 Dell 2209WAs supposedly on its way from (I presume) E Asia? There was some speculation that the lucky current orders might be fulfilled.

Ah, the LG W2x20Ps... Are they H-IPS, S-IPS, e-IPS? LED-backlit? 16:9 or 16:10? Have one or more of them been cancelled? Will they ever ship (even the Europeans are still waiting)? Will LG deign to offer them in North America? Do these things really exist?

If the LG W2220P is IPS, standard gamut, 1920x1200, it could be my dream display (I want a smaller dot pitch, primarily for smooth photographs, and regret the loss of 23-inch 1920x1200 IPS monitors).

If the LG W2220P isn't vapourware, perhaps it's reasonable to speculate that the LG Display IPS factories are tooling up to produce their 22-inch panels. Dell might fall behind the mother chaebol as a customer. If the W2220P is indeed 1920x1200 (I've my doubts), perhaps the future Dell 2209WA replacement will have the same resolution?

LG W2x20P e-IPS, and "bad translation"; not "canceled" (EU) but "not imported"(EU). In production for "home market" (Korea) now. LG also produces the e-IPS panel for Dell on the 22" in a slightly older revision.

Again, please call LG Electronic in NJ, write them, tell then you want to see the LG W2x20P e-IPS product line imported in to the US. Have your friends call, write, everyone in these forums!

LG Electronics USA, Inc., 1000 Sylvan Avenue Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, U.S.A. 07632, telephone 201-816-2000.

Tim