[Retired] The LCD Thread

[legend4life]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: legend4life
Would you be concerned about buying a BenQ G2400WD refurb in retail packaging, with manufacturer's 90 day limited (parts and labor, no replacement, no dead pixel coverage) warranty for $210?

That's a great value I'd jump on immediately...

Awesome, thank you. They had 13 in stock and I picked up 3 at that price, they were not sure when, if ever, they would get more. 1 is for the office, 2 for the multiple monitor trading setup at home. I don't absolutely NEED more right now, but may in the future, do you think its likely they will become harder to find?

I am contemplating on picking up 2 more before they run out to make it a quad setup with an aftermarket fully adjustable stand with mounting arms. Do you think the viewing angles on this monitor would make using them in a quad cube or horizontal setup on mounting arms like this not too great, or it should be okay?

Thanks!!

 

[Winterpool]

Originally posted by: wpeng
Seriously, is there no one concerned about the hp lp2475w becoming a panel lottery? Or has that rumor already been debunked? I was thinking about getting one; now, not so much.

If you look at the reactions on the Hard|Forum, they don't appear to be taking it too seriously. The fellow who started the rumour is considered an ignoramus (he didn't seem to know the difference between TFT and IPS -- ie that IPS is a subset of TFT LCD).

But I'm worried a little too. On the other hand, it's possible by the autumn we'll have 24-inch IPS displays from Dell, LG, HP, NEC, and Apple available to us, instead of just the latter three.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Kane233
Meh, now I'm considering just plunging down some bucks for a hp lp2475w. It's hard to spend $400 on a gaming monitor when an IPS is only a little bit more.

IPS monitors are not typically thought of as gaming monitors.

There's not a whole lot of difference when you apply overdrive but TNs can have maybe a 10 ms advantage in response time. Generally speaking it's rarely worth it as long as you have a lower input lag. You sacrifice a lot for other use by getting a TN panel.

Originally posted by: Kane233
Yeah, I know. But I'm going more for multimedia functions, viewing angles, accurate color reproduction, etc. Honestly, the responsiveness of the 2475 looks in line with or better than other monitors in the same range. I'm not a "hardcore' gamer in a clan...I play ArmA II, probably Starcraft II, and a couple other fps in the distant future (HL2 Ep. 3 Valve?). The viewing angles on my current monitor are starting to annoy the hell out of me. I'll be laying on my bed, shift, and suddenly I'm not level with the monitor which means I then have to sit up and put my back against the wall. And all the TNs I've seen don't do blacks good...at all. The transition and depth just isn't there. Besides, if TFT can be trusted...

TFT Central

I don't have much to worry about relative to other monitors. Only the 3007WFP, 2407 WFP, Samsung SM245B, and Hazros are any better.

I think the LP2475w is perfect for you...yes, it's not the fastest thing on the planet but it's definitely no slouch and almost any gamer should be happy with it. IPS is faster than PVA too BTW, about as much as TN is faster than IPS. But like I say, with overdrive, the difference really narrows. PVA is still slow in dark tones, where IPS doesn't have a problem. I would never get a TN above 22" as long as budget permits getting a VA/IPS or if gaming was all I did (trust me I do not yearn for this day).

Originally posted by: wpeng
Seriously, is there no one concerned about the hp lp2475w becoming a panel lottery? Or has that rumor already been debunked? I was thinking about getting one; now, not so much.

Well I've not seen a single piece of evidence about their being PVA panels in it.

Originally posted by: Hadsus
If you're laying on your bed I don't see how you could be happy with a TN. You really need to be pretty much square with the monitor as you would in the standard workstation setup. But, if you game regularly, you definitely will see the difference though. I play TF2 all the time and now it is not unusual for me to be near or over +100 kills over deaths after a couple of hours (playing mostly soldier but also pyro and demoman). I never could come close to that with my s-pva.

If I remember you had the 215TW which was an S-PVA panel unusually high in input lag. Actually a lot of the ones lower in input lag are not as much of a problem, and many IPS panels have lower input lag too.

The viewing angles of TNs aren't really that bad with compensation film added, but the constant shifting is so distracting and annoying sometimes. I like my L227WT a lot, especially for response time. Unfortunately its shifting just drives me crazy a lot of the time. And it just doesn't have the good, detailed color depth of a PVA/IPS either for some reason. Overall, it's a great display, but little things make all the difference for me. It's funny, I don't think a lot of people even care or notice though, which is why I continue to recommend TNs and even use them myself off and on. For general use they can be a little ugly, although I don't think the glossy over TN helps either.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: legend4life

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: legend4life
Would you be concerned about buying a BenQ G2400WD refurb in retail packaging, with manufacturer's 90 day limited (parts and labor, no replacement, no dead pixel coverage) warranty for $210?

That's a great value I'd jump on immediately...

Awesome, thank you. They had 13 in stock and I picked up 3 at that price, they were not sure when, if ever, they would get more. 1 is for the office, 2 for the multiple monitor trading setup at home. I don't absolutely NEED more right now, but may in the future, do you think its likely they will become harder to find?

Well when they reach EOL (end of life), yes, of course they will be quite hard to find. But I'm not sure when this is happening or whether it already has. LCDs frequently go in and out of stock.

I am contemplating on picking up 2 more before they run out to make it a quad setup with an aftermarket fully adjustable stand with mounting arms. Do you think the viewing angles on this monitor would make using them in a quad cube or horizontal setup on mounting arms like this not too great, or it should be okay?

Thanks!!

I wouldn't recommend using several TNs in a setup like that, personally, at least if you need good visibility and gamma. But if you have bright stock tickers everywhere then it probably doesn't matter that much. You should still be able to see something.

 

[legend4life]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: legend4life

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: legend4life
Would you be concerned about buying a BenQ G2400WD refurb in retail packaging, with manufacturer's 90 day limited (parts and labor, no replacement, no dead pixel coverage) warranty for $210?

That's a great value I'd jump on immediately...

Awesome, thank you. They had 13 in stock and I picked up 3 at that price, they were not sure when, if ever, they would get more. 1 is for the office, 2 for the multiple monitor trading setup at home. I don't absolutely NEED more right now, but may in the future, do you think its likely they will become harder to find?

Well when they reach EOL (end of life), yes, of course they will be quite hard to find. But I'm not sure when this is happening or whether it already has. LCDs frequently go in and out of stock.

I am contemplating on picking up 2 more before they run out to make it a quad setup with an aftermarket fully adjustable stand with mounting arms. Do you think the viewing angles on this monitor would make using them in a quad cube or horizontal setup on mounting arms like this not too great, or it should be okay?

Thanks!!

I wouldn't recommend using several TNs in a setup like that, personally, at least if you need good visibility and gamma. But if you have bright stock tickers everywhere then it probably doesn't matter that much. You should still be able to see something.

It's mostly for charting and looking at screens like these:
http://content.screencast.com/...c5/2009-07-15_1726.png

http://content.screencast.com/...66/2009-07-15_1728.png

http://content.screencast.com/...8f/2009-07-15_1730.png

I don't really care too much about color, but visibility yes, need to be able to clearly see everything. Should I stick with the 2 for now in a dual setup, and then upgrade to IPS later on, or go for the 4 cube or horizontal setup now with these?

Also what is the compensation film to improve TN viewing angle, would that benefit me and where can I find some?

 

[DevourerofPancakes]

I hate to be another user who asks questions, but I am looking for a monitor primarily for gaming. Currently I have an old CRT that is dying, and a Dell 2408WFP (A01), in a dual screen setup. The 2408 works fine for everything but gaming. When not gaming, I do various things on the CRT, actually I am typing this on the CRT. But movie watching, and most basic usage gets done on the LCD as it is pretty, and larger.

Size isn't hugely important, as my CRT that I am happy with is 17". I have space for another 24" or so on my desk, a 30" may be pushing it though, but I don't really want to spend 30" monies. I just want a decent screen, that would work ok for gaming.

The Samsung 2233rz 120hz screen, looks interesting, especially at some of the prices I have found it for (without the glasses). I don't really need the 3D function, but maybe in the future. The 120hz feature seems kinda cool, and logically makes sense as to how it would help with gaming. Viewsonic Fuhzion vx2265wm also is a 120hz, yet not as highly rated.

Now comes some odd questions. Now my question about it. First off I have a kind of odd setup. Currently I have a 9800 GTX, but I just got a GTX 260 when I found a great deal on one, which I am probably going to install either tonight or tomorrow.

Graphics card > DVI to VGA adapter > CRT
Graphics card > DVI to HDMI cable > HDMI switch
HDMI switch > HDMI to DVI cable > Dell 2408WFP
HDMI switch > HDMI cable > Samsung LN46a650

I know to get 120hz you would need dual DVI setup, but being that I have 2 other screens that I like to use for things could I either somehow use the switch, making the 2233rz 60hz then going back to 120hz when gaming. Or use my 9800GTX as a secondary graphics card (is this even possible?). I have another PCI-E x 16 slot, and could just use it to display the 2408 and my TV. Then use the GTX 260 to be for the 2233rz. If this does work, would this cause problems? I am not talking about SLI of course.

Otherwise a lot of the ones on the hardcore gamers list is either really expensive 400+ or tough/impossible to find. I am not really looking to pay 400+ for a TN monitor. I also have read reviews dispersed about the internet, I tend to over research/think/analyze my purchases. A few of the screens there get mixed reviews, including the 2233rz. Of course everything is going to get mixed reviews, but I have seen some supposedly non-subjective tests performed on some of those monitors that had some less than desirable results. The LG L227WTG seems kinda promising, and it's price is definitely appealing. The Viewsonic VX2260wm also seems nice, although I read a couple reviews that made me think less of it. Acer G24 looks quite promising, although I read a few unimpressed reviews on it as well. Also Acer just equates to cheap in my mind. I know they are probably coming up in the world and probably making nice products now, but they basically strike me as an e-machine type deal. Also the Dell SX2210 looks promising. I am a fan of Dell, both of my current displays are Dells and I like them both. I really wanted the Dell 2209wa, but my CRT started dying too late.

Thanks for any help and replies. This thread is great, it has been a huge help to me.

*Edit* Fixed a few typos, amended my links to fit formatting.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Hadsus
If you're laying on your bed I don't see how you could be happy with a TN. You really need to be pretty much square with the monitor as you would in the standard workstation setup. But, if you game regularly, you definitely will see the difference though. I play TF2 all the time and now it is not unusual for me to be near or over +100 kills over deaths after a couple of hours (playing mostly soldier but also pyro and demoman). I never could come close to that with my s-pva.

If I remember you had the 215TW which was an S-PVA panel unusually high in input lag. Actually a lot of the ones lower in input lag are not as much of a problem, and many IPS panels have lower input lag too.

Alot of people complained of it....I never noticed it despite looking for it actively (ie, trying sniper class in TF2....some seem more sensitive than others). What was very obvious is the image blurring. The s-pva simply couldn't keep up with image refreshes and, of course, with FPSs you're screen is always changing. RTSs and strategy games.....anything with static or slow change screens are bearable.

 

[goodCat]

xtnight, is banding a common issue with non-tn panels? From what I read this was only a problem with 6 bit panels that used dithering. I have an HP LP2465, manufactured in april 2008, so it's not an early revision, but it shows visible banding in gradients, especially in grey tones. Is there anything I can due to reduce it (adjusting gamma or contrast?)? thanks!

 

[remety]

Ordered the LG from newegg.. Should get it sometime next week .

 

[Xazzu]

Been looking the last few days for a monitor, could use some advice. I'm looking for around a 24" that does a 16:10 ratio (1920x1200) for $200 range. TN is fine since it's just a computer monitor, I have my 32" for watching movies or tv shows. This is just for light gaming (TF2/L4D-type, RTS, etc), browsing, and word/excel.

Prefer if it doesn't have speakers or cameras or any extra junk on it, but don't really care either way, just won't pay extra for it. Don't care if it's adjustable height, that's what a monitor stand is for. Prefer matte, but won't quibble if the price is right.

All the monitors in the OP are relatively expensive and mostly beyond what I need. I have a buyer for my old Samsung 19", but I need a new monitor first! Thanks for any help.

Edit:
Monitors I've looked at on Newegg:
ASUS MK241H - Webcam, little expensive
SAMSUNG 2433BW (where'd the 2443BW go?) - Some bad reviews on newegg, little expensive
Gateway FHD2401 - Some bad reviews on newegg, little expensive

 

[Crono]

Got my 2209WA yesterday. I am very happy with the contrast, brightness, and overall quality and performance so far. Thanks for the recommendation

 

[The111]

Wow, I can't believe the 2209WA is discontinued already.

I ordered my first one at the end of May (slickdeal!) and received it in early June. I knew I should have just ordered two then but I wanted to be sure I liked it. Of course I did, so in June I ordered another one (another slickdeal!), and I received it yesterday.

I was a little disappointed that the brightness varied significantly between the panels. Looking at the info printed on the units I see one was made in China in April and the other was made in Mexico in June, and the rev levels were different (A00 and A01, IIRC). After calibrating/profiling both with Spyder2Pro there was still a drastic brightness difference so I hand adjusted the brightness and contrast as close as I could get them and then profiled again. If I look at a color calibration chart on both screens at once I can notice very subtle differences... but they're pretty close and I guess I'm better off than if I hadn't got the second one at all before the discontinuation, even if it is slightly different (it also goes about .25" higher on the height adjustment).

That thread on the Dell forum is entertaining. A lot of people pissed about this. The Dell tech says if your 2209WA has to be warrantied you will receive an "equivalent or better" replacement. There is no such thing when talking about the 2209WA. It was the best. If one of mine ever breaks I will be pretty bummed out. Why must all products have such a short life span these days? They should seriously discontinue every other crappy TN based 22" display they have and focus all their power on getting the 2209WA back in business, there is no reason to have any other alternatives.

Of course, the U2410 (24" e-IPS) is now rumored. My guess is it will be $450+, and a new 22" e-IPS will come out soon at $350+. :-(

 

[tdoran1]

Originally posted by: The111
Of course, the U2410 (24" e-IPS) is now rumored. My guess is it will be $450+, and a new 22" e-IPS will come out soon at $350+. :-(

It now seems to be more than a "rumor" . . .

It seems like Dell has ?indirectly? three days ago confirmed the existence of the forthcoming of a new display, the Dell UltraSharp 2410W.

Dell Forum Moderator ?Chris M? in a posting on July 14th, 2009 at 12:59 in a topic ?Dell Monitor Defective Pixel Policy? the following:

For UltraSharp flat panel monitors (for example, U2410, U2710, 2208WFP, 2408WFP), Dell will replace the monitor if it has ANY defective pixels as covered by the Premium Panel Guarantee.

Please note the mode number example U2410. URL for above:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19284439.aspx

And another item found on another forum there has been a Certificate No. 50153811 for a GS-Mark for a Dell u2410f, please see both URL below:

http://www.tuvdotcom.com/pi/we...and=&sLang=&searchbox=

http://www.tuvdotcom.com/pi/we...and=&sLang=&searchbox=

Also, note in the second UR, this new product makes use of the LM240WU4 panel, this is a LG IPS panel.

It is fairly obvious that with the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA, also an IPS monitor, that Dell was ?too aggressive? in pricing, and positioning this new 24? model is going to be ?tricky? as the closest competition is the IPS based HP LP2475w and Dell own S-PVA based UltraSharp 2408WFP. Moreover, this area could become even more competitive if the LG W2420P is imported to North America.

From another source, ordering should be mid-August, with delivery by late August.

Also there was a second ?hint? about another new model UltraSharp 2710W, is this the ?refresh? for the UltraSharp 2709W?

I think August 2009 is going to be real fun . . .



Tim

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: tdoran1
Dell Forum Moderator ?Chris M? in a posting on July 14th, 2009 at 12:59 in a topic ?Dell Monitor Defective Pixel Policy? the following:

For UltraSharp flat panel monitors (for example, U2410, U2710, 2208WFP, 2408WFP), Dell will replace the monitor if it has ANY defective pixels as covered by the Premium Panel Guarantee.

This is how is should be....for all panels. Especially since the technology isn't wizbang new anymore. Would you buy a car with a small ding in it? Maybe, if it is discounted. They should rebate a portion of the purchase price or simply switch out panels with bad pixels. They clearly aren't as desireable as panels with no bad pixels and should be priced accordingly.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I would buy the new DELL at $450...no brainer...if the reviews are good.

 

[damocles]

I need to buy a Viewsonic monitor (Viewsonic is is all I can get at the moment).

I want a 22" that is good for gaming (RTS and FPS) and has accurate colours for photo-editing. Can anyone suggest which models would be ok? Cheaper is better

Cheers

 

[hotnikkelz]

Hello gentlemen, new guy here. I'm looking for a 24"monitor, i'm not a hardcore anything, i browse a lot and i play a few games casually, my hobby is pixelart and a lil photoshopping. I intend to do slight video editing as well, and i would like the monitor to display HD movies as well as perfect PS3/xbox 360 resolutions and also use it as my television. Viewing angles not much of an issue for me but i'd like a decent deal of colour accuracy (cuz of the pixelart thing). SO basically a good monitor of correct balance that's capable of everything fairly decently. I'm fond of good ergonomics as well.

What do you guys recommend?
So far from what i've gathered from the dozens of pages in this thread, ps3/xbox 360 uses a res o 1920x1080 but 1900x1200 monitors don't unless 1:1 or something like that? anyone care to elaborate a bit. I don't want the black bars at all.

Anyway I've narrowed it down to these choices
benq e2400HD
Dell 2408 (cuz i can get it for around 300 something)
benq g2400WD
Dell s2409W but lacks some ergonomic functions it seems

Orr...for a cheaper set
asus vw246h
Samsung 2333SW
ASUS VH242H

I'm looking at the contrast ratios and price, and res...does the contrast ratio even matter?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: goodCat
xtnight, is banding a common issue with non-tn panels? From what I read this was only a problem with 6 bit panels that used dithering. I have an HP LP2465, manufactured in april 2008, so it's not an early revision, but it shows visible banding in gradients, especially in grey tones. Is there anything I can due to reduce it (adjusting gamma or contrast?)? thanks!

Banding can occur on any panel at all, and it's usually due to digital "enhancement" features that can't be turned off for whatever reason.

I doubt what you're talking about is really banding. It may be gradation or discoloration. The only way to really reduce it is to get a colorimeter. Anything else is rather futile. I would not highly recommend adjusting gamma in a non-linear fashion on your own (it usually makes things worse), but nevertheless I have a guide on my website of how to do it with RivaTuner.

http://www.lcdresource.com/adjust.php

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DevourerofPancakes
I hate to be another user who asks questions, but I am looking for a monitor primarily for gaming. Currently I have an old CRT that is dying, and a Dell 2408WFP (A01), in a dual screen setup. The 2408 works fine for everything but gaming. When not gaming, I do various things on the CRT, actually I am typing this on the CRT. But movie watching, and most basic usage gets done on the LCD as it is pretty, and larger.

Size isn't hugely important, as my CRT that I am happy with is 17". I have space for another 24" or so on my desk, a 30" may be pushing it though, but I don't really want to spend 30" monies. I just want a decent screen, that would work ok for gaming.

The Samsung 2233rz 120hz screen, looks interesting, especially at some of the prices I have found it for (without the glasses). I don't really need the 3D function, but maybe in the future. The 120hz feature seems kinda cool, and logically makes sense as to how it would help with gaming. Viewsonic Fuhzion vx2265wm also is a 120hz, yet not as highly rated.

Now comes some odd questions. Now my question about it. First off I have a kind of odd setup. Currently I have a 9800 GTX, but I just got a GTX 260 when I found a great deal on one, which I am probably going to install either tonight or tomorrow.

Graphics card > DVI to VGA adapter > CRT
Graphics card > DVI to HDMI cable > HDMI switch
HDMI switch > HDMI to DVI cable > Dell 2408WFP
HDMI switch > HDMI cable > Samsung LN46a650

I know to get 120hz you would need dual DVI setup, but being that I have 2 other screens that I like to use for things could I either somehow use the switch, making the 2233rz 60hz then going back to 120hz when gaming. Or use my 9800GTX as a secondary graphics card (is this even possible?). I have another PCI-E x 16 slot, and could just use it to display the 2408 and my TV. Then use the GTX 260 to be for the 2233rz. If this does work, would this cause problems? I am not talking about SLI of course.

I highly recommend the dual video card route if you're driving that many monitors, for bandwidth reasons. And no, you don't need to enable SLI. Installing a single NVIDIA driver will cause enumeration of any and all NVIDIA card(s) on your PC.

Otherwise a lot of the ones on the hardcore gamers list is either really expensive 400+ or tough/impossible to find. I am not really looking to pay 400+ for a TN monitor. I also have read reviews dispersed about the internet, I tend to over research/think/analyze my purchases. A few of the screens there get mixed reviews, including the 2233rz. Of course everything is going to get mixed reviews, but I have seen some supposedly non-subjective tests performed on some of those monitors that had some less than desirable results. The LG L227WTG seems kinda promising, and it's price is definitely appealing. The Viewsonic VX2260wm also seems nice, although I read a couple reviews that made me think less of it. Acer G24 looks quite promising, although I read a few unimpressed reviews on it as well. Also Acer just equates to cheap in my mind. I know they are probably coming up in the world and probably making nice products now, but they basically strike me as an e-machine type deal. Also the Dell SX2210 looks promising. I am a fan of Dell, both of my current displays are Dells and I like them both. I really wanted the Dell 2209wa, but my CRT started dying too late.

Thanks for any help and replies. This thread is great, it has been a huge help to me.

*Edit* Fixed a few typos, amended my links to fit formatting.

Well, if you're into gaming, the 2233rz is awesome. Under $400 there's really nothing better for gaming, period. I hope this answers your questions and quells your overanalyzation...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Xazzu
Been looking the last few days for a monitor, could use some advice. I'm looking for around a 24" that does a 16:10 ratio (1920x1200) for $200 range. TN is fine since it's just a computer monitor, I have my 32" for watching movies or tv shows. This is just for light gaming (TF2/L4D-type, RTS, etc), browsing, and word/excel.

OK, that's pretty cheap for a 24"!

Prefer if it doesn't have speakers or cameras or any extra junk on it, but don't really care either way, just won't pay extra for it. Don't care if it's adjustable height, that's what a monitor stand is for. Prefer matte, but won't quibble if the price is right.

All the monitors in the OP are relatively expensive and mostly beyond what I need. I have a buyer for my old Samsung 19", but I need a new monitor first! Thanks for any help.

Edit:
Monitors I've looked at on Newegg:
ASUS MK241H - Webcam, little expensive
SAMSUNG 2433BW (where'd the 2443BW go?) - Some bad reviews on newegg, little expensive
Gateway FHD2401 - Some bad reviews on newegg, little expensive

The ASUS VK246H (same idea, webcam-less) and MK241H are my picks, then. These will be on my list as soon as I stop being lazy about making the info block.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236048
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236033

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: tdoran1

Originally posted by: The111
Of course, the U2410 (24" e-IPS) is now rumored. My guess is it will be $450+, and a new 22" e-IPS will come out soon at $350+. :-(

It now seems to be more than a "rumor" . . .

It seems like Dell has ?indirectly? three days ago confirmed the existence of the forthcoming of a new display, the Dell UltraSharp 2410W.

Dell Forum Moderator ?Chris M? in a posting on July 14th, 2009 at 12:59 in a topic ?Dell Monitor Defective Pixel Policy? the following:

For UltraSharp flat panel monitors (for example, U2410, U2710, 2208WFP, 2408WFP), Dell will replace the monitor if it has ANY defective pixels as covered by the Premium Panel Guarantee.

Please note the mode number example U2410. URL for above:

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19284439.aspx

And another item found on another forum there has been a Certificate No. 50153811 for a GS-Mark for a Dell u2410f, please see both URL below:

http://www.tuvdotcom.com/pi/we...and=&sLang=&searchbox=

http://www.tuvdotcom.com/pi/we...and=&sLang=&searchbox=

Also, note in the second UR, this new product makes use of the LM240WU4 panel, this is a LG IPS panel.

It is fairly obvious that with the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA, also an IPS monitor, that Dell was ?too aggressive? in pricing, and positioning this new 24? model is going to be ?tricky? as the closest competition is the IPS based HP LP2475w and Dell own S-PVA based UltraSharp 2408WFP. Moreover, this area could become even more competitive if the LG W2420P is imported to North America.

From another source, ordering should be mid-August, with delivery by late August.

Also there was a second ?hint? about another new model UltraSharp 2710W, is this the ?refresh? for the UltraSharp 2709W?

I think August 2009 is going to be real fun . . .



Tim

Well, this is very exciting. IPS is not dead. eIPS and cPVA will revive the IPS/PVA market. They better not discontinue these ones just as fast...

Originally posted by: damocles
I need to buy a Viewsonic monitor (Viewsonic is is all I can get at the moment).

I want a 22" that is good for gaming (RTS and FPS) and has accurate colours for photo-editing. Can anyone suggest which models would be ok? Cheaper is better

Cheers

The VX2255wmb is probably the most promising. At least there are reviews on it. This might be OK (VX2260wm). Only get it if you can't get the VX2255wmb. The VX2255 probably has better colors. It happens to be among the best for a TN. http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...c-vx2255wmb-part8.html

VX2260wm ("other" model)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: hotnikkelz
Hello gentlemen, new guy here. I'm looking for a 24"monitor, i'm not a hardcore anything, i browse a lot and i play a few games casually, my hobby is pixelart and a lil photoshopping. I intend to do slight video editing as well, and i would like the monitor to display HD movies as well as perfect PS3/xbox 360 resolutions and also use it as my television. Viewing angles not much of an issue for me but i'd like a decent deal of colour accuracy (cuz of the pixelart thing). SO basically a good monitor of correct balance that's capable of everything fairly decently. I'm fond of good ergonomics as well.

What do you guys recommend?
So far from what i've gathered from the dozens of pages in this thread, ps3/xbox 360 uses a res o 1920x1080 but 1900x1200 monitors don't unless 1:1 or something like that? anyone care to elaborate a bit. I don't want the black bars at all.

I don't have any experience hooking up consoles to monitors, actually, so others can help you here. Maybe on HardForum, too.

Anyway I've narrowed it down to these choices
benq e2400HD
Dell 2408 (cuz i can get it for around 300 something)
benq g2400WD
Dell s2409W but lacks some ergonomic functions it seems

Orr...for a cheaper set
asus vw246h
Samsung 2333SW
ASUS VH242H

I'm looking at the contrast ratios and price, and res...does the contrast ratio even matter?

Specs don't tell the truth much. But anyway these don't vary in contrast by a whole lot, except that the Dell 2408WFP is far beyond the others in contrast. I guess I'd recommend the 2408WFP first because it's an S-PVA panel and it's just better overall for viewing angle stability. It also has lots of scaling options, but I'm not sure how well they work or on what resolutions or inputs they work. This is a case-by-case basis with monitors.

Otherwise, I'd go for the E2400HD or G2400WD depending on what res you want (recommend E2400HD for true 1080p), or last but not least one of the ASUSes.

 

[xtknight]

I've got a question...

Has anyone successfully used the 'eZ Zooming' feature on LG monitors? On my dad's L226WT it will not work whatsoever on VGA or DVI. On my L227WT, it won't do anything, either, although I didn't try VGA. Manual says nothing special. This is how it's supposed to work:

At the current display, Use 'ez Zooming' Key, then the display
resolution is transferred to the one step low resolution.
Use 'ez Zooming' Key one more, the display is back to the
original display.

I'm wondering if this just flat out doesn't work on everyone's LG unit(s).

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I've got a question...

Has anyone successfully used the 'eZ Zooming' feature on LG monitors? On my dad's L226WT it will not work whatsoever on VGA or DVI. On my L227WT, it won't do anything, either, although I didn't try VGA. Manual says nothing special. This is how it's supposed to work:

At the current display, Use 'ez Zooming' Key, then the display
resolution is transferred to the one step low resolution.
Use 'ez Zooming' Key one more, the display is back to the
original display.

I'm wondering if this just flat out doesn't work on everyone's LG unit(s).

I did read this at a different forum,

Download forte manager to get ez zooming to work, all the monitor controls can be adjusted through forte manager.

So maybe try latest version,any luck with that?

 

[hotnikkelz]

Thank you for your advice xtnight, i bought the Dell 2408 based on what you said, hopefully i would walk away a happy man. One thing thoug after checking some reviews i see conflicting information. Anandtech states that the monitor before calibration i s better than monitors after calibration averaging around 1.7 dE, however tftcentral states it's colour accuracy is awful at factory settings. Am i missing something here? who is correct?