[Retired] The LCD Thread

[hotnikkelz]

ok
WIth BOTH profiles there's a clear difference between firefox and Internet explorer. However the differences are inversed depending on which profile i use i.e With Dell'sprofile, the colours look more vivid than IE, while with tft's profile, they look more realistic, but less vivd than IEs. Will try to posts pics showing this as soon as i can.

With the Dell profile...
Fails the aforementioned lagom tests regardless of how i try to change brightness and contrast
Colours look very vivid and to me they're kinda nice, seems very 'lush'
May not be accurate though, but i can't say to be honest

With tftcentral profile...
Passes all lagom tests
Colours are less vivd, more balanced, no colour stands out, before red and green were especially strong.

I wanted to clarify if that's how colour correct LCDs usually are basically as i have no way to see how accurate the colours are. They do looks much more realistic with the tftcentral profile though. The dell profile is indeed working asi noticed a huge difference before i wasn't using any profile at all. So i'm really just comparing differences between tftcentrals colour accurate one, and the Dell one which i'm not really sure where it stands where accuracy is concerned although it looks very pleasing

 

[egroeg555]

I'm looking for a 24" screen with 1920x1200 resolution. My primary interest is to have good quality display color and contrast. I realize that the less expensive TN screens are limited to some extent, but I'd like to get a decent quality image without getting an expensive professional display.

So, is anyone familiar with these screens? Please comment on which of these likely have better image quality. Feel free to suggest other similar monitors that might be good.

SAMSUNG 2443BWT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001323

LG W2452V
http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/w2452v.jhtml

SAMSUNG T240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001275


Thanks,
Curtis

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: hotnikkelz
ok
WIth BOTH profiles there's a clear difference between firefox and Internet explorer. However the differences are inversed depending on which profile i use i.e With Dell'sprofile, the colours look more vivid than IE, while with tft's profile, they look more realistic, but less vivd than IEs. Will try to posts pics showing this as soon as i can.

With the Dell profile...
Fails the aforementioned lagom tests regardless of how i try to change brightness and contrast
Colours look very vivid and to me they're kinda nice, seems very 'lush'
May not be accurate though, but i can't say to be honest

With tftcentral profile...
Passes all lagom tests
Colours are less vivd, more balanced, no colour stands out, before red and green were especially strong.

I wanted to clarify if that's how colour correct LCDs usually are basically as i have no way to see how accurate the colours are. They do looks much more realistic with the tftcentral profile though. The dell profile is indeed working asi noticed a huge difference before i wasn't using any profile at all. So i'm really just comparing differences between tftcentrals colour accurate one, and the Dell one which i'm not really sure where it stands where accuracy is concerned although it looks very pleasing

My guess is the tft central is more accurate. Whatever looks more realistic is what I would use.

 

[hotnikkelz]

i believe so as well, when i play warcraft 3, the colours are quite deep and rich, basically perfect. I think cuz of the sRGB std of the interweb why there's a reduction in the vibrancy, but i'm assuming that's how it is supposed to be, cuz it is indeed more realistic.
Thanks a lot PurdueRy for your guidance, thank you xtknight for the advice, the recommendation and the thread, i learnt a heap

I have another question though heh heh heh.
Why is it that LCDs, and HD tvs do not look good as generic crt tvs when i'm watching cable for eg. The colours look washed out and stuff. Is it cuz it's not HD cable why it shows like that? I tested my monitor out to watch TV connected via composite, and although it's supposed to be higher quality than a CRT tv, it is worse. It only becomes comparable when the watchable area is shrunk due to PiP

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: hotnikkelz
i believe so as well, when i play warcraft 3, the colours are quite deep and rich, basically perfect. I think cuz of the sRGB std of the interweb why there's a reduction in the vibrancy, but i'm assuming that's how it is supposed to be, cuz it is indeed more realistic.
Thanks a lot PurdueRy for your guidance, thank you xtknight for the advice, the recommendation and the thread, i learnt a heap

I have another question though heh heh heh.
Why is it that LCDs, and HD tvs do not look good as generic crt tvs when i'm watching cable for eg. The colours look washed out and stuff. Is it cuz it's not HD cable why it shows like that? I tested my monitor out to watch TV connected via composite, and although it's supposed to be higher quality than a CRT tv, it is worse. It only becomes comparable when the watchable area is shrunk due to PiP

Warcraft looks good because its not color managed. Therefore the color profiles at that point have no effect on the image displayed on screen.

LCD TVs look worse because of two main reasons. First, they have to scale the image to a resolution that is much higher(and no longer the native resolution of the source). Second, you are inputting an analog signal into a mainly digital display. This circuit will likely be as cheap as possible because very few people will actually end up using it.

 

[hotnikkelz]

ah, exatly as i thought, now that brings me to the next question. What is the native res for CRT tvs....is tehre any way to adjust the monitor res when it receives the analog signal from the cablebox thingy? or am istuck with that quality period. Would buying a high quality TV card sllow me to watch TV at a good quality at the res i want it?

 

[uberowo]

Why are there no reviews available on the NEC 2490WUXi² monitors? (Or the 2690WUXi²) Anyone know how they fit into the picture?

 

[Zuhhhm]

Hi, could someone explain me the difference between the BenQ G2400WD and BenQ V2400W ? I'd like to buy a screen for my PC and PS3 (1:1 and low lag is important) and as fair as I know the G2400WD is very good for gaming. Does the V2400W has the same panel, because I can't find any shop that sells the G2400WD in the UK?

OR if the V2400W is not the same (panel) what would you guys recommend? I have about 220 pounds to spend (I know it is not a lot).

Thanks

 

[zod96]

So Dell is releasing their 24 inch finally it looks like

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfo/...nitor-dell-u2410&s=dfo

And the price it seems will be $750 so forget that :-(

 

[Winterpool]

I believe the Dell 2408WFP was initially listed for a suggested retail price of $699. Apparently it was soon available for less than $600, and of course a year later it was usually in the 400s with some deals taking it below $400.

Perhaps we could expect an initial market price of about $600 for the UltraSharp 2410? In which case I really ought to have bought that $374 HP LP2475w, heh... especially since it's quite possible they'll be using the same IPS panel.

Edited: just read the latest Hard|Forum posts. Snowdog points out that it's 12-bit (I missed that initially perusing the tech specs) and so it may not be quite as low-priced as the 2408WFP or the HP LP2475w. TDoran, on the other hand, expects prices in the $500s to compete with the HP.

If the Dell proves a better display overall and esepcially if there's superior QC, paying an extra $50 or so over the LP2475w seems reasonable. On the other hand I dunno if I could justify paying $100 to $200 more (I'm poor!).

 

[zod96]

I didn't even see that. the 12 bit I mean. Well all the LCD I have seen that were like that were well over $1000. In today's economy Dell is really lame to put out a monitor that will sell for that much. They could have made the exact same monitor as the 2209WA with a E-IPS panel and 24 inch for around $400 and that would have sold in very very high numbers I believe.

 

[DaveLessnau]

Originally posted by: zod96
I didn't even see that. the 12 bit I mean. Well all the LCD I have seen that were like that were well over $1000. In today's economy Dell is really lame to put out a monitor that will sell for that much. They could have made the exact same monitor as the 2209WA with a E-IPS panel and 24 inch for around $400 and that would have sold in very very high numbers I believe.

But, I think the low price was one of the reasons that lead to the discontinuation of the 2209WA. The demand was so high that the panel manufacturer couldn't keep up with it. Of course, if that were true, then it would have been smarter to bump the price until the supply and demand curves crossed instead of just dumping the whole product.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: egroeg555
I'm looking for a 24" screen with 1920x1200 resolution. My primary interest is to have good quality display color and contrast. I realize that the less expensive TN screens are limited to some extent, but I'd like to get a decent quality image without getting an expensive professional display.

So, is anyone familiar with these screens? Please comment on which of these likely have better image quality. Feel free to suggest other similar monitors that might be good.

SAMSUNG 2443BWT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001323

LG W2452V
http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/w2452v.jhtml

SAMSUNG T240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824001275


Thanks,
Curtis

Have you considered the BenQ G2400WD or E2400HD? The ASUS VK246h is a great choice too.

I highly recommend trying the Dell 2408WFP, but it's a little more expensive. The LP2475w is good too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: uberowo
Why are there no reviews available on the NEC 2490WUXi² monitors? (Or the 2690WUXi²) Anyone know how they fit into the picture?

I have a review of the LCD2690WUXi on my website http://www.lcdresource.com/

They are highly recommended for photo editing. The 90 series NECs are high quality pro monitors. They have a bit of input lag but they can suffice for gaming too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Zuhhhm
Hi, could someone explain me the difference between the BenQ G2400WD and BenQ V2400W ? I'd like to buy a screen for my PC and PS3 (1:1 and low lag is important) and as fair as I know the G2400WD is very good for gaming. Does the V2400W has the same panel, because I can't find any shop that sells the G2400WD in the UK?

OR if the V2400W is not the same (panel) what would you guys recommend? I have about 220 pounds to spend (I know it is not a lot).

Thanks

Yes, the V2400W is more or less the same panel wise. I believe both are standard gamut AU Optronics TNs. The ASUS VK246H is another good choice.

The G2400WD has VESA mounting unlike the V2400W.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Zuhhhm
Hi, could someone explain me the difference between the BenQ G2400WD and BenQ V2400W ? I'd like to buy a screen for my PC and PS3 (1:1 and low lag is important) and as fair as I know the G2400WD is very good for gaming. Does the V2400W has the same panel, because I can't find any shop that sells the G2400WD in the UK?

OR if the V2400W is not the same (panel) what would you guys recommend? I have about 220 pounds to spend (I know it is not a lot).

Thanks

G2400WD here in the UK for 223 quid or here for 220. .

 

[plethora87]

Hello,

What are the recommendations for non-widescreen 21" LCDs these days? Seems everything is moving towards widescreen -- I couldn't even find a 21" non-widescreen on Samsung's site.

Thanks!

 

[imported_Kurse]

Greetings,

In the market for my first LCD for a new PC so I can enjoy some of the new games ( I guess this would then fall under Hardcore Gaming monitor? ). Not that I will be playing hardcore but the requirements of the individual games dictate this?

Looking at the recommendations for 24" monitors I see the BenQ 2400WD and Acer G24 are highly recommended. What alarms me though is what Prad pointed out - very little in the way of ergonomic options. Although I rarely adjust my CRT monitor this will be and LCD and therefore be placed differently on my desk. Is this something common with high end 24" monitors? It just seems there aren't many very good 24" monitors that are affordable and ergonomic. I would peg my price range at < $600 CAD.

Thanks
Kurse

 

[looper]

kurse...

BenQ 2400WD and Acer G24 not 'high-end'... far from it.

 

[imported_Kurse]

looper,

Sorry - would these be low end? Or Mid-range?

 

[looper]

Are 'TN' panels....fast for gaming, but color reproduction and contrast not good.

I'm considering are the HP 'LP2475w' and the brand new Dell, both 24" / 1920x1200 / HDMI-DVI / IPS panels I believe / not quite as fast as the TN's, but much better in color & contrast... It's always a compromise. (these two between $535. and $650. I think...)

 

[imported_Kurse]

xtknight,

For Hardcore gaming your recommendation lists in the #1 spot the Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ and mentions it is bundled with the NVIDIA 3D Vision. I think I have found the monitor by itself on the Canadian site www.memoryexpress.ca. They have the bundled version as well.

Link http://www.memoryexpress.com/P...s/PID-MX23730(ME).aspx

Hopefully that news to you

Kurse

 

[looper]

Kurse...

Thought you wanted a 24"... that Sammy is a 22"

 

[Zuhhhm]

Thanks xtknight and Mem. It is really hard to decide and not just because of the money but because of the contradicts between reviews.

looper: xtknight suggested the Asus VK246H 24" as well

 

[Zuhhhm]

Thanks xtknight and Mem. It is really hard to decide and not just because of the money but because of the contradicts between reviews.

looper: xtknight suggested the Asus VK246H 24" as well

btw what do you guys think about the SM2443BW ? I know there is no HDMI but afaik there is a cable to solve this issue.