[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: zod96
I was going to get the U2410 until I saw a monitor with the A-TW polarizer screen treatment. I knew then I would much rather have a screen that has that then without. My friend got the U2410 and I have the doublesight 265. We had them mext to each other. The U2410 has that dirty grainy feel to the screen while my doublesight with the A-TW polarizer is smooth and clear. I just wish I could adjust the brightness on the doublesight :-( a little lower. This thing is like a supernova....

A-TW has nothing to do with the anti-glare coating of the screen actually. A polarizer is something that modifies light, not physical texture.

Also, A-TW is no longer in production because the producer is out of business. Even some DoubleSight DS-265Ws did not have A-TW, as far as I know.

 

[zod96]

That is what I heard. I got lucky and mine came with it

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bruinwar

After lurking here for.. years?... I am getting close to replacing at least one of our 21" CRTs. My wife's is taking quite some time to warm up so I believe it's going.

Problem is I hesitate to mail order, although I am a good customer of Newegg & Newegg has always been good to me, but the LCD return policy makes me nervous. So I started to look around locally (not a lot of choices)

Same here, fortunately I've been lucky with Newegg.

Best Buy (hate) has NO monitors with 1920x1200 & the kid thought I was nuts asking for it. It seems like maybe 1920x1200 is going away? Costco has a Vizio 25.5 at 1920x1200 that might be OK for $300. High gloss panel. It's no longer on their website though so I can't link it. Sam's is supposed to have a 25.5 Samsung for $350 but now we are getting close to the $400+ for the Dell everyone is recommending.

Some people might not agree, but I think it's good we're getting HD standard 1920x1080 panels. Would be best however if both existed.

After searching around a bit more I find the Samsung was commented on here in this thread before & not recommended. The Vizio (VMM26?) was reviewed at
Extremetech Feb09 & was not recommended. I found a post or two here on this forum of people that liked it. It seems that it is a TN panel, decent response time but with some color issues. It's likely we could live with that.

It appears I am leaning towards the Vizio unless I can find some more choices locally. CompUSA & Circuit City are gone, I do have a Microcenter but again no 1920x1200 monitors, no Fry's, very little choices. Maybe I should reconsider mail order.

I guess I am just looking for thoughts, comments, & suggestions.
Thanks
Joe S.

The Samsung T260 (25.5") has sloppy color setup and slower response time. Therefore, being a TN, it simply has no deeming qualities. I don't like it that much.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/m...ng-topaz_10.html#sect0

I'm not sure but I think some other retailers other than Newegg allow returns. Amazon? Dell.com? Buy.com? Check them out, as I say I think at least one does. I know Dell.com at least allows exchanges for refurbs if you've got quality issues with your new unit.

I have two dead pixels on my LCD2690WUXi and I find it perfectly usable. I wouldn't exchange it. But, it depends where they are. One time I had a white dead pixel in the letterbox area and that drove me nuts. Fortunately that went away and now I'm left with two colored ones positioned off-center.

Although non-officially as of now, I recommend the new Dell U2410 from Dell personally. It seems like a sure winner. I'm about to put it up but I just want to make sure there are no serious problems yet. Nothing reported so far though.

If you're looking for a 26" TN, get the ASUS VK266H. I don't know how ASUS's policies are but generally you deal with the manufacturer directly, not the merchant (e.g., Newegg) anyway. So unless a merchant has their own policy like Dell.com, you're stuck with the same policies like Newegg's.

 

[bruinwar]

Thanks Xknight for your input. The Vizio & the Asus are about the same price, so I am torn. Sooner or later I will pull the trigger one something, when I do I will be sure to add my input on this thread.

regards,
Joe S.

 

[bcowdery]

Originally posted by: xtknight

I can't vouch yes or no for the 2209WA issues but the U2410 looks like a promising monitor. I don't know what its lag will be, but IPS panels have less lag than VAs in almost every case. Frankly I think 32ms input lag will be fine for you.

BTW, the 245T and U2410 are also wide gamut.

Due to the wide gamut issue, you can use the U2410 with a color profile in Firefox and Photoshop, but that can be annoying. You may try the Samsung F2380 but the 2209WA or two of them looks like the best option for you right now.

Thanks for the advice.

I ended up ordering 2 of the Dell 2209WA's. The Dell sales rep was kind enough to give me %20 off my order which really helped make the decision for me. I've found plenty of good reviews and I find I'm more tolerant of minor product flaws when I haven't paid an arm and a leg. So all-in-all I think it will work out nicely.

I figure the 2209 will give me a good entry point into professional level equipment and I can always upgrade to something like the NEC 2490wuxi later if/when I find I need better.

 

[you2]

I really wish there was a decent 4:3 (1600x1200) monitor on the market.... HP's is not bad 'cept for the horrible bleeding (maybe I had a bad unit?) but there doesnt' seem to be any other options

 

[looper]

You2...

Don't know if it's still available, but the dell #2001FP 20"... native res 1600x1200...I really enjoyed that monitor for 4 yrs, and now my wife uses it...

 

[WowbaggerTIP]

I'm building a PC for my wife now and need another monitor for it. I'm using it as an excuse to get a new one for myself and give her my Dell 2005FPW. I'm trying to find a 24" monitor that will be good for both gaming and work (software development). I've been reading through this thread and have seen some recent suggestions, but I'm having trouble pinning down what I can get for a decent price. I was planning to try to stay around $300-$400, but I'm not sure I'll be able to get a good one in that price range.

I looked into the BenQ G2400WD, but the places that had it for a good price seem to be out of stock, and the other places are asking closer to $600. The Dell u2410 looks like it might be really nice too, but it's also $600. Anyone got some suggestions that I should look into that are more in my price range?

 

[looper]

Last week I got the Dell U2410f for $479. w/ 20% coupon...

 

[WowbaggerTIP]

@looper: That's not bad. Where did you get the coupon?

 

[looper]

It was mentioned here in this thread!! Great monitor...IPS / 1920x1200 / hdmi-dvi, etc /

 

[WowbaggerTIP]

Apparently that coupon code "has expired or reached its redemption limit". :-/

 

[ExcaliburMM]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824254040
Thoughts on this one guys? No idea what type of panel but from the specs and the sale it looks good.

 

[ChorniyVolk]

Hey, I need a new monitor for a new build. I read most of the OP but my lack of knowledge makes some of it confusing, and it seems impossible for me to choose a monitor.

Basically, I need something that is 24" or more, preferably 16:10 at 1920x1200+.

My budget is between $300-$500, I really don't want to spend $500 but as I don't know anything and want quality, not to mention that I'm okay with spending a few hundred (don't buy anything else), I figure I shouldn't set too low a target for money. Plus, it's staying with me for longer than most PC parts eh? I guess if it costs more than $500, let me know, but only if it's really worth the price and not some enthusiast sort of pick.

As far as what I'm using it for, basically general stuff. I'll be gaming on it, and watching plenty of movies/shows, apart from that it's really just basic stuff like web browsing, some photoshop work (not professional at all, just casual stuff), you know, average. I'd like some alternative input options so that I could, say, hook up a 360, wii, or ps2/ps3 to the monitor without any problems, you know, so it's not just a badass monitor but a great TV as well.

I'm pretty sure I've only ever used TN panels, so I suppose getting a decent one would fit my needs very well and I'll be happy with it, but knowing that there's a better option like an IPS, and thinking about what I'm missing out on, I don't think it's worth it to save a few hundred bucks. I may not be doing anything professional or truly need great quality/colors, but I'm the sort of person who notices the little details, especially when they're pointed out, and I think I could appreciate what an IPS could give me over a TN. Let me know your opinion on this, because as I don't know shit, I'd like a viewpoint of someone who does, especially someone who was in my shoes once (ie is it worth it, will I notice, etc).

So, with all that in mind, what are my options? And please, if the recommendation is expensive, tell me what I'm getting for the price, and if it's cheaper, tell me what I'm missing out on. Otherwise, I hope I'm not asking the wrong question in the wrong place, and let me know if I fucked up in any way.

 

[you2]

That's the monitor I'm replacing; mine (4 years old) wasn't that great; but it is a panel lottery with dell, anyways it died when 1/6 of the screen developed green vertical bars; a google search indicate this is a common failure of the model so it is some sort of component defect (4 years is a pretty short life for the electronics). I did replace it with a 22inch dell which has an eips; backlight is decently uniform (not perfect but i'm not that picky); but colours are just kind of off; hard to describe but something about blue/red shift. Anyways, I much rather have 4:3 for this computer.

Not really sure what panel dells current 1600x1200 monitor uses; the hp was very nice 'cept for the bloody right corner which had horrible bleed. I tried tweaking the screws on the back to adjust tension but it didn't seem to help much so I returned it.

Originally posted by: looper
You2...

Don't know if it's still available, but the dell #2001FP 20"... native res 1600x1200...I really enjoyed that monitor for 4 yrs, and now my wife uses it...

 

[Tuffrabbit]

LCD's for TV viewing have progressed from 60Hz to 120Hz and now to 240Hz refresh rates ? What about computer monitors ? Anyone have any input about this ?

 

[theslug]

Originally posted by: Tuffrabbit
LCD's for TV viewing have progressed from 60Hz to 120Hz and now to 240Hz refresh rates ? What about computer monitors ? Anyone have any input about this ?

120Hz allows a TV to natively display 24p content, like from most blu-rays. There is no real point to 240hz, so I wouldn't worry about it. I guess manufacturers of computers monitors have not implemented 120.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bruinwar

Thanks Xknight for your input. The Vizio & the Asus are about the same price, so I am torn. Sooner or later I will pull the trigger one something, when I do I will be sure to add my input on this thread.

regards,
Joe S.

I'd just go for the ASUS due to brand name. I'm far more confident about the ASUS than Vizio.

Originally posted by: WowbaggerTIP
I'm building a PC for my wife now and need another monitor for it. I'm using it as an excuse to get a new one for myself and give her my Dell 2005FPW. I'm trying to find a 24" monitor that will be good for both gaming and work (software development). I've been reading through this thread and have seen some recent suggestions, but I'm having trouble pinning down what I can get for a decent price. I was planning to try to stay around $300-$400, but I'm not sure I'll be able to get a good one in that price range.

I looked into the BenQ G2400WD, but the places that had it for a good price seem to be out of stock, and the other places are asking closer to $600. The Dell u2410 looks like it might be really nice too, but it's also $600. Anyone got some suggestions that I should look into that are more in my price range?

Look for deals on the U2410. The LP2475w is another albeit expensive choice.

The G2400WD is out of stock. I need to remove it from the list.

There's always the Dell 2408WFP too.

You can also try the ASUS VK246h, it's 1080p though not 1920x1200. I'm not sure how that would settle with you but at least 1080p material plays well and it shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't mind the slightly lower vertical resolution.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ExcaliburMM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824254040
Thoughts on this one guys? No idea what type of panel but from the specs and the sale it looks good.

TN, and probably bad news if it's HannStar and that cheap.

Remember, there's two components to a good deal: low price, and good quality. This satisfies only the first criterion...

It's not that bad, but there are better choices like the Acer G24 (1920x1200), ASUS VK246h, and BenQ E2400HD, all of which may be well worth the extra cash.

The ASUS is nearly the same price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6048&Tpk=ASUS%20VK246h

Reason I view HannStar badly is due to their previous products. ASUS on the other hand has a better track record and many experienced people have vouched for the VK246h.

The E2400HD is probably better than any of these but I can't find it in stock. The G24 is also very good, but personally I don't like its design. I rate on image quality.

 

[xtknight]

It appears some people are confused about the 10-bit and 12-bit components of the Dell U2410. Here's how I think everything works.

The U2410 uses the LG Display H-IPS LM240WU4-SLB1 panel (unlike the 8-bit LM240WU4-SLA1 in the LP2475w). This new panel revision receives a 10-bit signal for each shade of gray. The panel displays the signal using an 8-bit + A-FRC (advanced frame rate control) method. That's why you see dithering on the darker gray shades of the U2410 (only in sRGB mode?) Perhaps not a great implementation.

So here's how everything may go down.
1) User sends display an 8-bit signal.
2) Monitor linear upscales 8-bit to 12-bit, then looks up desired color from LUT (maps 8-bit color to 12-bit voltage value).
2.5) Primitive sRGB gamut transformation is performed if needed.
3) Downscales 12-bit matrix LUT value to 10-bit, and sends signal to monitor.

I'm not sure if the monitor accepts 10-bit signals from the computer. At best it would only be possible from HDMI and/or DisplayPort.

The 12-bit LUT will provide a palette of 68.7 trillion colors, from which the monitor can cherry-pick the best values pertaining to the 10-bit input of the LG Display panel. This means very smooth grayscale and reduced banding due to a high precision LUT and dithering on the output side. I'm not sure how the sRGB gamut transformation is performed. It's probably not as high quality as the 3D transformation demanded by the ICC typically performed in software. I'm not sure how easy it is to do that in realtime but it's unlike the monitor uses that technology.

The game mode (akin to NEC's "through mode") probably reduces the overdrive buffer by one frame, reducing input lag by (1000/60) ms, or 16.67ms. That may increase streaking and lower overdrive quality. This probably doesn't affect color processing, but I'm not sure.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

 

[Cheex]

Given the differences between the Gateway 24" FHD2400 and the new FHD2401...

Would you say that @ $190 (@ the time of this post) .... the FHD2401 is a good purchase??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824113019

BTW: I'm currently using a 19" widescreen Hanns-G monitor @ 1440x900.

 

[Internets]

Hello all, after doing much research I have come to one conclusion. The monitor market is a sticky industry .. so many options, choices, pros, and cons it makes my head spin!

I am currently seeking to upgrade my 19" Samsung Syncmaster 971P (read, OLD) to a 24" variant @ 1920 x 1080. I am a heavy gamer but also develop websites/photography as a side job -- an easy 20-25hrs a week.

I know that IPS panels are the new rage at the moment for their excellent color reproduction and good response time. I do not mind spending extra for quality products and rather enjoy sticking with name brand for less headaches down the road.

My only criteria are these:
23-24"
1920x1200

pretty simple! What do you recommend? I will not do much multimedia viewing aside from gaming/web development/photo editing

 

[Teej]

Hey guys...I'm totally confused about gamut and what it means to me. I'm looking to get a 24" 1920x1200 IPS display for working on (NOT graphics work) but also for watching movies/TV and playing the occasional game.

1) If I go with a wide gamut screen (is that 102% NTSC?), will movies and TV look oversaturated and will the colours be different from watching it on a really good TV?
2) For my uses, am I better off with a 72% NTSC screen (and is that "standard gamut")?
3) What kind of colour gamut do most HD television screens have, or does it vary?
4) If I am better off with a 72% NTSC, does all this mean that the only screen which optimally fits my needs is the NEC MultiSync LCD2490WUXi-BK, or have I missed something?

Thanks...it's been difficult figuring some of this stuff out.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ChorniyVolk
Hey, I need a new monitor for a new build. I read most of the OP but my lack of knowledge makes some of it confusing, and it seems impossible for me to choose a monitor.

Basically, I need something that is 24" or more, preferably 16:10 at 1920x1200+.

My budget is between $300-$500, I really don't want to spend $500 but as I don't know anything and want quality, not to mention that I'm okay with spending a few hundred (don't buy anything else), I figure I shouldn't set too low a target for money. Plus, it's staying with me for longer than most PC parts eh? I guess if it costs more than $500, let me know, but only if it's really worth the price and not some enthusiast sort of pick.

As far as what I'm using it for, basically general stuff. I'll be gaming on it, and watching plenty of movies/shows, apart from that it's really just basic stuff like web browsing, some photoshop work (not professional at all, just casual stuff), you know, average. I'd like some alternative input options so that I could, say, hook up a 360, wii, or ps2/ps3 to the monitor without any problems, you know, so it's not just a badass monitor but a great TV as well.

OK, I'm thinking HP LP2475w or Dell U2410, then...

I'm pretty sure I've only ever used TN panels, so I suppose getting a decent one would fit my needs very well and I'll be happy with it, but knowing that there's a better option like an IPS, and thinking about what I'm missing out on, I don't think it's worth it to save a few hundred bucks. I may not be doing anything professional or truly need great quality/colors, but I'm the sort of person who notices the little details, especially when they're pointed out, and I think I could appreciate what an IPS could give me over a TN. Let me know your opinion on this, because as I don't know shit, I'd like a viewpoint of someone who does, especially someone who was in my shoes once (ie is it worth it, will I notice, etc).

So, with all that in mind, what are my options? And please, if the recommendation is expensive, tell me what I'm getting for the price, and if it's cheaper, tell me what I'm missing out on. Otherwise, I hope I'm not asking the wrong question in the wrong place, and let me know if I fucked up in any way.

Heheh...I love posts like this, because you admit what everyone else is afraid to admit, I guess.

I think that a 24" IPS would do you good, as in the HP LP2475w or Dell U2410. Maybe around $500 or $600 depending on the deal you get. There's nothing else that's under $500 that's as good, really. You are getting quite a bit more quality with IPS, the most of which includes better viewing angle. Of course, these new HP and Dell panels have even more to offer in the way of inputs and color gamut as well. I think they are worth it for anyone, not just enthusiasts.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Internets
Hello all, after doing much research I have come to one conclusion. The monitor market is a sticky industry .. so many options, choices, pros, and cons it makes my head spin!

I am currently seeking to upgrade my 19" Samsung Syncmaster 971P (read, OLD) to a 24" variant @ 1920 x 1080. I am a heavy gamer but also develop websites/photography as a side job -- an easy 20-25hrs a week.

I know that IPS panels are the new rage at the moment for their excellent color reproduction and good response time. I do not mind spending extra for quality products and rather enjoy sticking with name brand for less headaches down the road.

My only criteria are these:
23-24"
1920x1200

pretty simple! What do you recommend? I will not do much multimedia viewing aside from gaming/web development/photo editing

Again I think HP LP2475w and U2410 are the best here. There are no other 24" IPS options at least in North America. The Apple Cinema Display is one, perhaps, as well, but not really worth it over the HP or Dell IMO.