[Retired] The LCD Thread

[zod96]

I am returning my U2410. The grainy dirty coating on the screen made text look really fuzzy imo. I think it was worse on the U2410 then it was on the 2209WA. I am going to try the 23 inch NEC IPS. From what I have read the grainy coating is much much less on that one then the Dell's..

 

[log1kq2]

Originally posted by: ExcaliburMM
Was looking for a 1900x1200 gaming solution, ~300$ at 24" or over and decided on the ASUS VW266H Black 25.5". I saw it listed in the gaming section here and figured its probably going to be a good buy. Any other suggestions meeting the criteria?

I just got this monitor about a week ago. games play perfectly. I mainly play FPS games and I've noticed no input lag or ghosting. I think newegg has a good deal on it right now....

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ZealPath
Well after all of my bad experiences with viewing angles and text reading on cheap TN panels, it seems clear that I need to start looking beyond the local Best Buy and ordering some higher quality monitors. Can I safely assume the majority of my concerns with the top half of the lcd looking darker than the bottom half would be addressed by using say, IPS instead of TN?

Yeah, definitely.

I have also been mostly annoyed by wide gamut monitors, which from what I've seen, seems to be all that one can find these days. That said, some research shows that there are still a lot of non-wide LCDs being sold, they just aren't what you'll likely bump into in the stores.

The biggest problem I've probably had with the LCDs I've tried in the past is when transitioning from say, a darker game screen, to a mostly-white explorer window, my eyes have been overwhelmed by the brightness of the white. However, when turning down the brightness, I would find that most of the other colors would look washed out, to the point where I could not really justify having the new monitor as it didn't really feel like it was any nicer than my CRTs, and caused my eyes problems for the most part.

Perhaps you need to turn down contrast, not brightness? I'm not sure. You've probably tried both...

My top priority is just having something that I can read off of easily with minimal eyestrain. I think my CRT is finally starting to die on me and I'd love to replace it before its gone, it deserves some rest. Being able to play games without ghosting is important, but it does not have to be focused entirely on gaming (long as it can play an fps without ghosting, should be fine).

You should be able to use an intermediate brightness of about 120 or 140 nits. That's a little brighter than a CRT but it should be suitable for a myriad of purposes including general use, gaming, watching movies, and editing photos. If this still hurts your eyes you may consider asking an optometrist but I think that at this brightness your eyes should be very comfortable.

Some reading has suggested that a simple monitor like the Dell UltraSharp 2007FP (S-IPS version anyway) might be the kind of thing I'm looking for (not wide, supposedly easy on the eyes, not the best but not impossible to game on). I believe this is a somewhat older monitor though, and I have also read that it is subject to panel lottery so I may not even get what I want if I were to order one.

I would definitely appreciate some suggestions from anyone more in the loop on what might make sense here, I just need something simple that won't hurt my eyes, and it's been a challenge so far.

I suggest that you consider a Dell 2209WA, HP LP2475w, or Dell U2410. Your eyes are priceless and these IPS-based monitors should deliver a high degree of viewing comfort. The first one is my favorite choice because it's cheaper, it's not wide gamut, and it's still an IPS.

You are not confusing wide gamut with widescreen, right? If I understand correctly, you would prefer a normal gamut monitor in either normal or widescreen form factor.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: aequasi
ok since this thread is a little older than the current lcd monitors, what is the best 24in monitor for hardcore gaming?

I do have some discontinued models I should remove like the G2400WD and G24. And I would also like to add the G2410HD, I think, after some more verification.

I like the 24": ASUS VK246H, 1920x1080 (16:9) for 24" gaming. Right now there are no 1920x1200 TN panels that I am confident in. They are mostly being discontinued.

The BenQ E2400HD is another choice, but I think it's also only sold on overstock, clearance, or refurb now. Last I looked, it is much pricier than it is worth, these days.

I am seeking some new 24" monitors, that's for sure. However, the ASUS VK246H is very much a one-size-fits-all gamer monitor right now.

The BenQ G2411HD will likely be recommended soon. This is the successor to the E2400HD and it has a pretty good review from prad.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...view-benq-g2411hd.html

There is only about one frame of input lag on the G2411HD. The VK246H peaks at 2 frames but that's not a big deal. It is mostly one frame as well.

I don't know where the stock for the G2411HD is. It's probably about the same as the G2410HD. May want to just look up a bit on that...

I update the list as much as I can. Rest assured I am trying to keep up on all the new LCDs out there and I will recommend you guys via the forum if it is not posted on the sticky yet. If there is bad information is it removed immediately but I am not in a hurry to post new LCDs because they come and go, a lot, especially BenQ monitors.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Sportsshooter
LCD2490WUXi2 vs. LCD2690WUXi2? (even LCD2490WUXi vs. LCD2690WUXi)

I just found this thread and based on the recommendations for RAW image editing for print, the LCD2690WUXi2 is the recommended option for my photo editing priorities. Better yet I suppose would have been a model with the filter but since I edit while sitting directly in front of the monitor this should not be a significant issue.

I currently use an NEC MultiSync LCD 2180UX and calibrate it with SpectraView II software and an eye-one Display Puck, which I understand is the same model that ships with SV model monitors. I've just upgraded my home built PC to Windows 7 Ultimate 64.

The i1 Display 2 is uploaded with custom primaries or some type of tuning when it is shipped in the SVII Kit, but it's basically the same thing I think... I use SVII software and a stock i1 Display 2 probe that I had, and it works well. However, in the calibration software, you should choose to use manufacturer primaries instead of calculated primaries if you are using a stock colorimeter.

I am considering adding a second monitor for Photo Editing. I shoot RAW in Adobe 1998 and edit the RAW file first in Nikon Capture NX2 and then open as tiff in Adobe PS CS4 for final cropping and editing until I save the final file as a jpg before submitting to wire services.

While publications do pick up images from the wire services for Web, magazines that license the images for print are the priority.

I also do on site printing with an Epson 4880.

Thanks.

Then you definitely want a wide gamut monitor and color management capability.

You should consider the LCD2690WUXi2 or LCD3090WQXi.

The 2490 is not wide gamut, and it is not very good for your purposes. If you want a 24" or cheaper equivalent, the Dell U2410 is not hardware calibratable but is still very wide gamut and quite suitable. I hope this helps.

P.S. The gamut of your monitor (ideally) needs to match the highest gamut of the work you do, which in this case is Adobe RGB 1998. You should have a monitor that roughly matches or exceeds this. The 2690 and 3090 should do this gamut decently well, or at least a lot better than the LCD2490.

 

[ZealPath]

You are not confusing wide gamut with widescreen, right? If I understand correctly, you would prefer a normal gamut monitor in either normal or widescreen form factor.

Actually I totally was, my mistake. I don't hate hate hate widescreen but I think transitionally I might do better if it were normal form factor. Thanks a lot for the suggestions, if my confusion in regards to gamut leads you to suggest other models, please do so. That said, it sounds like wide gamut comes with some annoyances of it's own (though I am not a photo editor), so perhaps what you've suggested is what I should look at anyway.

It seems like getting an IPS panel is the biggest key for me, I hope I have better experiences this time around.

Also, is there a good way to compare brightness statistics, usually they seem to say things like "300cd/m2 brightness," whereas you mentioned values in nits.

 

[Sportsshooter]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Then you definitely want a wide gamut monitor and color management capability.

You should consider the LCD2690WUXi2 or LCD3090WQXi.

The 2490 is not wide gamut, and it is not very good for your purposes. If you want a 24" or cheaper equivalent, the Dell U2410 is not hardware calibratable but is still very wide gamut and quite suitable. I hope this helps.

P.S. The gamut of your monitor (ideally) needs to match the highest gamut of the work you do, which in this case is Adobe RGB 1998. You should have a monitor that roughly matches or exceeds this. The 2690 and 3090 should do this gamut decently well, or at least a lot better than the LCD2490.

Thanks. As clear as that recommendation was already made on page one I wanted to double check before I made a purchase decision.

 

[Jodiuh]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ZealPath
Some reading has suggested that a simple monitor like the Dell UltraSharp 2007FP (S-IPS version anyway) might be the kind of thing I'm looking for (not wide, supposedly easy on the eyes, not the best but not impossible to game on). I believe this is a somewhat older monitor though, and I have also read that it is subject to panel lottery so I may not even get what I want if I were to order one.

I suggest that you consider a Dell 2209WA, HP LP2475w, or Dell U2410. Your eyes are priceless and these IPS-based monitors should deliver a high degree of viewing comfort. The first one is my favorite choice because it's cheaper, it's not wide gamut, and it's still an IPS.

Zealpath: As you can see from my experience of 3 yrs, I would wholeheartedly recommend the Dell 2007WFP or FP S-IPS for "easy on the eyes" webbing and FPS shooters. UT2K4 Instagib, COD4, L4D, those are my games and the Dell handles them just fine. Sure, when I set it up next to a friends 100lb 120+hz CRT monster, I definitely noticed less mouse snap, but on its own, it's completely gameable and I'm very competitive.

xtknight:
2209WA is E-IPS, yes? But has a much wider pixel pitch than the 2007 series. Combined w/ greater viewing area, I see no way the txt could be anywhere near as sharp or clear, thus, probably not as easy on the eyes either. I'm sure you read my comments about eye strain on the 2410, yes? I've used the 2 of them side by side and I simply cannot handle the 2410. Even on low brightness/contrast levels it's still too much pain for my head. Last night I tried watching movies on it in the various gaming, multimedia, standard, and custom modes from nearly 3 ft away and I STILL got headaches from the thing. FWIW, my nearly 10 yr old 27" Sony Trinitron CRT won't give me headaches and even brighter levels.

I don't know what's going on w/ the 2410's H-IPS panel, but if you truly believe your eyes are priceless, maybe it's worth putting a * in there to warn potential migraine/high index glasses/light sensitive folks. Bottomline, the 2410 is the sun to me.

 

[ZealPath]

Sounds like the problem with the 2007(W)FP is just the fact that it's not guaranteed to be IPS (unless it is now?). I would probably give it a go if I knew I'd be getting the IPS version.

Jodiuh: How is the readability at the max resolution?

 

[mejobloggs]

I'm wanting to get a HP LP2475w or Dell U2410 for gaming.

Except I'm worried about how they will perform in games, and the oversaturation issue

 

[T2k]

So what's the call: if I'm to get a new 24" and later add two more - Radeon 58xx here I come - should I go with U2410?

 

[GTaudiophile]

I'm wanting to get a HP LP2475w or Dell U2410 for gaming.

Except I'm worried about how they will perform in games, and the oversaturation issue

I too would like to know which of these two monitors is the clear winner.

 

[alkemyst]

I wish I could see the HP and Dell side by side to see some of the screen 'roughness' people have mentioned. I am still debating finding a 2408FPW as well.

What would be the best choice around $500 or less and would the Planar 2611 be an upgrade at the higher cost?

I am coming from a Sony G500 21" CRT and had debated going FW900 (24" wide CRT), there are two in orlando for $400 pickup in a professional gear case. I'd need a truck and it's 2 hours+ away though...I'd still be into an older screen that may die soon.

I do gaming a little (crysis, farcry, quake/etc, and WoW), I do web design and print work but nothing mission critical, and a lot of surfing/documents. I can read text fine on most screens though.

It's confusing the choices. The Hyundai W241D I was interested in, but they stopped making it and the W242D seems a lot different even though its the same panel technology.

I'd like to come in as cheap as possible, but at the same time I don't want to under buy. I don't think I'd benefit from dropping $1000+ on a LCD.

I'd like to stay 24" or larger.

 

[xboxist]

xtknight:

I've used the NEC 20WMGX2 for about 4 years now and I'm on the verge of assembling a new machine. I want to upgrade to the 24" tier for a display, and I'm considering the Dell Ultrasharp U2410.

Can you convey to me what I can expect, in going from the NEC to the Dell, in overall terms? I paid $600 for the 20" NEC, and I'm going to pay around $600 for this new 24"... which causes me to think I simply must be sacrificing display quality if I do this. My hope is that the Dell will simply look like a 24" version of my NEC, but something tells me that is not going to be the case.

Thoughts?

PS -- in case it contributes to your reply, I'd classify myself as a "multimedia" user. I do my fair share of games, video watching and work (Excel, etc.).

 

[xtknight]

Give me awhile while I fix the first post to comply with the new forum...

 

[alkemyst]

what's the deal in releasing wide gamut monitors anyway?

 

[imaheadcase]

Not sure if cause of new forum or what, but a couple of the recommended monitors are discontinued that are listed.

That said, how does dell decide when it will discount its top of the line monitors? That $599 price has been up to long for the 24inch. I want it for 2nd monitor

 

[T2k]

What's the cheapest price for this U2410? I think I'll take my chances and order one...

 

[alkemyst]

it just came out. I'd say 10% off sooner or later.

 

[AgentCipher]

When looking at the recommended lcd's for gaming, the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA was ranked 3rd on the list... I'm looking at buying a new LCD monitor, as my Samsung SyncMaster 204B is dying, and is (of course) two months past warranty date.

While this was ranked under gaming, the specs say it has an input lag of 20 ms. I was under the impression that 20 was enormous.

Also, if there are any recommendations for a gaming monitor with average multimedia usage, please let me know. I'm a grad student, so I'm unfortunately on a budget if I want to avoid eating ramen for the next few months.

 

[alkemyst]

what budget? what resolution / size?

 

[alkemyst]

just bit on a refurb 2490wuxi for $460 shipped. Supposedly Grade A with no dead pixels or blemishes, factory refurbed.

 

[TBEasyC]

I like the 24": ASUS VK246H, 1920x1080 (16:9) for 24" gaming. Right now there are no 1920x1200 TN panels that I am confident in. They are mostly being discontinued.

I am seeking some new 24" monitors, that's for sure. However, the ASUS VK246H is very much a one-size-fits-all gamer monitor right now.

Hi xtknight

I've been following this thread for a little while, just starting to decide on getting a gaming LCD to replace my CRT. I'm not really up to date on what the better gaming LCD's are, but seeing as you've mentioned the ASUS VK246H is the way to go, I was wondering what the 22" equivalent is, and perhaps is there any promising new better 22" LCD's on the horizon?

 

[T2k]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/18.htm#dell_u2711

Any reality in this?

 

[T2k]

Saying "the NEC provides little extra value for most customers" you are making a huge mistake.
The NEC 2490WUXi with A-TW polarizer is a unique outstanding monitor - no match among other brands even for 2x, 3x price. Uncomparable picture quality is "little extra value" that it provides for all customers.
Yes, it's worth twice as much as the Dell U2410 (with 100 inputs) because the NEC 2490WUXi image quality is not achievable on the Dell U2410. Two different classes.
(...)
Weighing if the NEC 2490WUXi is better?
My friend, "NEC 2490WUXi to disappear soon! Rush and grab it while available!" - this is what should be written on top of recommendations list.
"Display du Century" comes first, "Display du Jour" comes next.

JEsus, kid, slow down, enough from the acid, you're hilarious now - do you believe anyone will believe this "2x-3x better" nonsense (let alone means nothing)?