[Retired] The LCD Thread

[imaheadcase]

What's the cheapest price for this U2410? I think I'll take my chances and order one...

The have random deals on it for $495. But they come like once every 6 months on high end monitors. They also do random $50 off ones more often than that.

The best you can get now is $15 off orders over $150 coupon that they have all the time.

 

[xtknight]

Actually I totally was, my mistake. I don't hate hate hate widescreen but I think transitionally I might do better if it were normal form factor. Thanks a lot for the suggestions, if my confusion in regards to gamut leads you to suggest other models, please do so. That said, it sounds like wide gamut comes with some annoyances of it's own (though I am not a photo editor), so perhaps what you've suggested is what I should look at anyway.

It seems like getting an IPS panel is the biggest key for me, I hope I have better experiences this time around.

Also, is there a good way to compare brightness statistics, usually they seem to say things like "300cd/m2 brightness," whereas you mentioned values in nits.

nits is actually a short way of saying candelas per square meter.

These ratings don't mean a whole lot. It depends on how much the monitor lets you control the brightness, and the transmissivity of the panel! Are they measuring the backlight or the light transmitted by the matrix? Who really knows, but you should look at reviews for actual brightness ratings. Typically VA matrices are a good amount brighter than IPS or TN ones.

I still recommend VA or IPS panels to avoid the viewing angle issue.

Unfortunately, with VA or IPS you are nearly forced into getting a widescreen. There are a few models that are standard aspect, but they don't have a great performance-value ratio.

The HP LP2065 is one such LCD.
The 2007FP is another.

They come in either VA or IPS. Neither panel will have the viewing angle issue, and I think you will be happy with either at this size. There is not a whole lot of difference for most purposes.

 

[isp]

If anyone interested, I'm trying to get a separate subforum for display discussion...I'd like to have your opinion

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2019919

 

[xtknight]

xtknight:
2209WA is E-IPS, yes? But has a much wider pixel pitch than the 2007 series. Combined w/ greater viewing area, I see no way the txt could be anywhere near as sharp or clear, thus, probably not as easy on the eyes either. I'm sure you read my comments about eye strain on the 2410, yes? I've used the 2 of them side by side and I simply cannot handle the 2410. Even on low brightness/contrast levels it's still too much pain for my head. Last night I tried watching movies on it in the various gaming, multimedia, standard, and custom modes from nearly 3 ft away and I STILL got headaches from the thing. FWIW, my nearly 10 yr old 27" Sony Trinitron CRT won't give me headaches and even brighter levels.

I don't know what's going on w/ the 2410's H-IPS panel, but if you truly believe your eyes are priceless, maybe it's worth putting a * in there to warn potential migraine/high index glasses/light sensitive folks. Bottomline, the 2410 is the sun to me.

Jodiuh,

Generally speaking, 22" LCDs are easier on the eyes because of lower pixel density. One won't have to squint as much to read the text. Few people use a high enough DPI to reap the benefits of higher pixel density, in terms of readability, thus it is better to have lower pixel density. Raising DPI in the control panel often causes issues with UI dialogs.

I'm sorry you get headaches with the U2410. You are probably sensitive to the screen door effect of IPS LCDs due to their wider pixel lining.

The U2410 (as do many IPS-based panels due to lower transmissivity) does however offer very good brightness settings, which is the particular reason I recommended it. It offers a setting of 115/0.21 (546:1). That's almost perfect for text. A CRT is around 80-100, and the U2410 does go down to 97 while maintaining 541:1 contrast. [1]

[1] http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm

So you were probably talking about SDE, but many people don't have issues with SDE. This is an individual thing.

If you are getting headaches from 3 feet away, I might even hesitate to believe it's SDE. Does that happen with your other LCDs? You must have superior visual acuity..any idea what exactly yours is?

I stare at an H-IPS from about a foot away for long periods of time and my eyes feel great, so I really cannot relate to this. I have corrective lenses though, and I'm not sure of my exact acuity rating, either.

 

[xtknight]

I too would like to know which of these two monitors is the clear winner.

I don't know. Both have had issues with uniformity.

There is a higher resolution LUT and updated panel in the U2410, the benefits of which are questionable. But they certainly aren't making it worse. The LUT should result in improved grayscale performance.

The HP has a soft anti-glare coating, while the Dell's is aggressive. I might go for the HP for that reason. But I rate Dell higher due to the larger LUT and its Game Mode that reduces input lag to 1 frame. Plus it has a couple more inputs and Dell seems more likely to fix problems through revisions than HP. There is always quite an active forum at Dell.

 

[xtknight]

Not sure if cause of new forum or what, but a couple of the recommended monitors are discontinued that are listed.

That said, how does dell decide when it will discount its top of the line monitors? That $599 price has been up to long for the 24inch. I want it for 2nd monitor

It's because I've been lazy, but I promise that this will be updated when I feel like it. And the post will be formatted much better for the new forum. I will get around to this, because I hate the way it looks right now and I would like to use some of the new forum features like pictures.

 

[xtknight]

When looking at the recommended lcd's for gaming, the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA was ranked 3rd on the list... I'm looking at buying a new LCD monitor, as my Samsung SyncMaster 204B is dying, and is (of course) two months past warranty date.

While this was ranked under gaming, the specs say it has an input lag of 20 ms. I was under the impression that 20 was enormous.

Also, if there are any recommendations for a gaming monitor with average multimedia usage, please let me know. I'm a grad student, so I'm unfortunately on a budget if I want to avoid eating ramen for the next few months.

20 ms is really not enormous. That's just over one frame average (of course, you cannot lag by only part of a frame). So we should probably look at the "mode", which is likely 16 ms. Not bad at all. I'd certainly give it a try if I were you. Very unlikely you will experience any lag.

 

[xtknight]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/18.htm#dell_u2711

Any reality in this?

Likely, because Apple is coming out with a 27" at the same time. Coincidence? Nope, LG Display just released a 27" H-IPS panel (LM270WQ1). That will be implemented by a few select brands, and I have little doubt one of these will be Dell especially after seeing that leak on the website.

 

[xtknight]

Hi xtknight

I've been following this thread for a little while, just starting to decide on getting a gaming LCD to replace my CRT. I'm not really up to date on what the better gaming LCD's are, but seeing as you've mentioned the ASUS VK246H is the way to go, I was wondering what the 22" equivalent is, and perhaps is there any promising new better 22" LCD's on the horizon?

I'm not sure that 22" LCDs can get any better right now. Not practically, at least...

The Samsung 2233rz and Dell 2209WA are your best gaming choices, as listed.

ASUS's 22" equivalent is the VW224u, but I'm not exactly sure about its performance. Try the recommended 22" panels instead.

Looks like the L227WTG-PF is going out of stock too...yet another one to remove.

 

[xtknight]

I wish I could see the HP and Dell side by side to see some of the screen 'roughness' people have mentioned. I am still debating finding a 2408FPW as well.

What would be the best choice around $500 or less and would the Planar 2611 be an upgrade at the higher cost?

I am coming from a Sony G500 21" CRT and had debated going FW900 (24" wide CRT), there are two in orlando for $400 pickup in a professional gear case. I'd need a truck and it's 2 hours+ away though...I'd still be into an older screen that may die soon.

I do gaming a little (crysis, farcry, quake/etc, and WoW), I do web design and print work but nothing mission critical, and a lot of surfing/documents. I can read text fine on most screens though.

It's confusing the choices. The Hyundai W241D I was interested in, but they stopped making it and the W242D seems a lot different even though its the same panel technology.

I'd like to come in as cheap as possible, but at the same time I don't want to under buy. I don't think I'd benefit from dropping $1000+ on a LCD.

I'd like to stay 24" or larger.

I would look into the U2410 or LP2475w. The PX2611W has a disturbing lack of connectivity for its price, and it's certainly not better than the Dell or HP in image quality (quite the opposite, perhaps?) As for coating, well I really cannot tell you. I don't think it really matters. You may get used to it anyway. But if I were in your position I might even be gravitating towards the HP due to softer coating. But if I got a good deal on the Dell I'd surely just go for that. What I'd do depends on a lot of things.

 

[imaheadcase]

Dell has the U2410 now for $529 with free shipping..a $70 savings, exp nov12th. But they put a crazy $22 tax on it, so its more like $50 savings

 

[alkemyst]

I would look into the U2410 or LP2475w. The PX2611W has a disturbing lack of connectivity for its price, and it's certainly not better than the Dell or HP in image quality (quite the opposite, perhaps?) As for coating, well I really cannot tell you. I don't think it really matters. You may get used to it anyway. But if I were in your position I might even be gravitating towards the HP due to softer coating. But if I got a good deal on the Dell I'd surely just go for that. What I'd do depends on a lot of things.

Pulled the trigger on a LCD2490WUXi refurb. Picked up a ColorMunki and ordering the Spectraview II software once I get it and know I am good to go.

Figured may as well go all in...it took me forever to get a good G500 when I was buying (three came broken due to transport issues and one came as the wrong monitor). I thought it would be my last screen, but it's dying now.

 

[T2k]

The have random deals on it for $495. But they come like once every 6 months on high end monitors. They also do random $50 off ones more often than that.

The best you can get now is $15 off orders over $150 coupon that they have all the time.

Thanks for the info. That $15 off sucks big time, I will hang on my perfectly fine 2405FPW then...

...how much better is it than HP 2475w?

 

[xtknight]

Pulled the trigger on a LCD2490WUXi refurb. Picked up a ColorMunki and ordering the Spectraview II software once I get it and know I am good to go.

Figured may as well go all in...it took me forever to get a good G500 when I was buying (three came broken due to transport issues and one came as the wrong monitor). I thought it would be my last screen, but it's dying now.

Ha, well that's better yet I suppose. When I'm indecisive, I just throw more money at the problem. That's why I have an LCD2690. I am still disappointed by the lack of analog inputs though.

 

[AgentCipher]

20 ms is really not enormous. That's just over one frame average (of course, you cannot lag by only part of a frame). So we should probably look at the "mode", which is likely 16 ms. Not bad at all. I'd certainly give it a try if I were you. Very unlikely you will experience any lag.

Thanks a lot, mate! AT $212 (via http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1181717), it seems a little hard to pass up :-D

 

[imaheadcase]

Thanks for the info. That $15 off sucks big time, I will hang on my perfectly fine 2405FPW then...

...how much better is it than HP 2475w?

Not sure, i don't have both to compare. I do however have the "old" 2407WFP-HC 24inch to compare, my U2410 comes next Friday. I will post a screenshot of both side-by-side with default factory settings to give you a idea.

I know its not a real test, but best i can offer i guess..

 

[T2k]

Thanks in advance!

FYI: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19302511.aspx

 

[imaheadcase]

Thanks in advance!

FYI: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19302511.aspx

That issue is not universal. For the few i've read about a return for new one fixed the problem. Even so, dell mentioned a fix is incoming in that post.

 

[kyle454]

great info!

I'm shopping for a new gaming monitor...
I think I've decided on the Asus VK246H or VK266H. I cant figure out which size to get!

stepping up from a 2007WFP

any thoughts or suggestions?

any other monitors I should be looking at?

thanks in advance!

 

[alkemyst]

great info!

I'm shopping for a new gaming monitor...
I think I've decided on the Asus VK246H or VK266H. I cant figure out which size to get!

stepping up from a 2007WFP

any thoughts or suggestions?

any other monitors I should be looking at?

thanks in advance!

See page one.

 

[kyle454]

I forgot to mention I have dual 9800 GT video cards...

I would like to run dual link DVI.

Does that mean I need a monitor with 120hz refresh rate?

 

[alkemyst]

I forgot to mention I have dual 9800 GT video cards...

I would like to run dual link DVI.

Does that mean I need a monitor with 120hz refresh rate?

see page one.

 

[Kostamojen]

Any word yet on when an inexpensive e-IPS LED back-lit monitor is going to arrive?

 

[Anubis]

This seems to be the right place to ask this. For the longest time all 24 in LCDs had a rez of 1920*1200, and now there are a good amount that are running 1920*1080 and im curious as to why this is, and also if it really makes any difference other then a slightly smaller viewspace. I'm most likely going to be picking up 2 new 24in LCDs around Xmass so id like to know more about this.

Im sorry if this was answered someplace in the last 77 pages but i really don't feel like reading 7000 posts to find out

 

[Kostamojen]

1920x1080, or 16x9, has be come the new "standard" due to HD resolutions.

1080p = 1920x1080