[Retired] The LCD Thread

Page 328 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

SpicyCurry

Guest
Aug 25, 2009
45
0
0
Hi, I'm looking for a new monitor. My preference is 27" with 1920x1200 resolution and decent response time. The monitor will be used for gaming, surfing, and multimedia. One of my requirements would be a glossy finish; I really like the vibrant colors of these finishes and I use an adjustable lamp so there won't be any glare problems.

I'm willing to spend $300 for a TN panel type, and I'm willing to spend much more if there is a glossy finish IPS monitor. The only glossy IPS monitor I know of are the Apple displays, and the 27" glossy IPS Apple display is $999. I'm having lots of trouble finding glossy IPS panels, so if anyone has found any that are cheaper than $999, I'd appreciate it.
 

icanhascpu2

Senior member
Jun 18, 2009
228
0
0
I need a 23" 1080p IPS LCD for previewing HD videos out of Final Cut Pro and for doing color grading in Apple Color. What's better - the NEC or Viewsonic screen?

NEC for $330:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824002524

Viewsonic for $290:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116421

It will be mounted on an Ergotron arm, so the stand doesn't matter.
I'd get the Viewsonic.


NEC EA231WMi 14ms 23"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM230WF2-SLA1)
ViewSonic VP2365wb 14ms 23"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM230WF2)

"Horizontal IPS H-IPS 2007 Improves contrast ratio by twisting electrode plane layout. Also introduces an optional Advanced True White polarizing film from NEC, to make white look more natural. This is used in professional/photography LCDs.
Enhanced IPS E-IPS 2009 Wider aperture for light transmission, enabling the use of lower-power, cheaper backlights. Improves diagonal viewing angle and further reduce response time to 5ms."
 
Last edited:

Innuendo_

Junior Member
Jun 12, 2010
11
0
0
While I don't mind the colors on this TN panel, I think I might like to see what I have been missing with a IPS panel, but I am not sure it is the right choice for me (slower response times? input lag?).

I know this reply is a little late in coming, but I'm going to reply anyway on the off-chance you have not bought a new monitor yet.

If you miss the days of CRTS, especially Trinitron/Diamondtron displays, you deserve to check out what an IPS display will look like. Response times & input lag often have more to do with the electronics in a display rather than the technology of the panel used.

Another thing that I 'think' I want is 1920 x 1200 minimum resolution. I think that going from 1200 vertical to 1080 vertical will bother me to no end as I try and read forums.

Listen to me & listen well for I have experience directly related to what you want to do. Your current monitor is a 20.1" viewable 4:3 monitor. My last monitor was an NEC F2141SB with roughly the same viewable area & let me tell you that I bought this HP zr24w and coming from a 4:3 monitor to a 16:10 monitor I *lost* physical screen height. The increased physical screen width more than makes up for it, but if I had gone with a 16:9 screen I would not have been happy at all.

I've been reading up (in this thread) on the HP ZR24w monitor and I was considering it.

I love mine. It's literally without competition. There are no other monitors that are 24", 16:10, IPS panel, and standard gamut in its price range. You'd have to pay at least double to buy one that wasn't the zr24w.
 

Innuendo_

Junior Member
Jun 12, 2010
11
0
0
Ive been eying HP ZR24w too. Dont understand why newegg wont adjust the price down to reflect HPs price ($100 less ask by HP).

The reason for the discrepancy, as I understand it, is that when HP releases new products in its business line (and the ZR24w is a business line monitor), they release it under their Smart Buy program which gives the product promo pricing. Not all merchants qualify to participate in the Smart Buy program so therefore not all merchants have access to the lower price.

The product doesn't stay in the Smart Buy program forever and when the promo price is gone it's gone. Just witness the HP LP2475W. When it was released you could find it for ~$400, too, with Smart Buy pricing, but now it no longer qualifies and you can't touch a new 2475 for anywhere near that low price.

Who knows when the promo pricing for the ZR24w will expire? It might be an argument to buy one sooner rather than later.

On the subject of Newegg, why would anyone want to buy a monitor from them at any price? They have one of the absolute worst monitor return policies in the business. Last I heard you had to have no less than EIGHT dead pixels to qualify for a return. Eight!!

An issue with HP ZR24w might be "the dirty look" reported for its IPS implementation.

I don't know if I would call it a 'dirty look'. Some forums and web sites will look 'subdued' in color due to how I have the brightness set on my monitor, but I like that as it promotes less eyestrain. Any subdued colors disappear as soon as I fire up a game anyway. The ZR24w is capable of very vibrant, breath-taking color. If you're worried, buy from a vendor with a good return policy, but unless you are unlucky & get a bad unit, I'm willing to wager you'll never take advantage of being able to return it.

In your case, inherent slowness of the IPS type panel could be an issue. If your really set on gaming, I dont know why you would need an IPS necessarily. There are some nice five star TN with 170/160 viewing angles which people seem satisfied with.

I may just not be senstive to it, but I experience no lagging/ghosting when I game, but it may be the games I play. Most people, honestly, really need an IPS panel. However, I think most people (myself included) would greatly prefer one once they see an IPS panel next to a TN.

I am interested in hearing respondents of HP ZR24w experience. I think we will not see too much HP ZR24w action on newegg till they move the pricing for this LCD commensurate with the manufacturers.

I love mine. With coming from a 22" Diamondtron CRT monitor I was a hard sell, too. I came to the land of LCD monitors with extremely high expectations including the expectation that nothing was going to live up to my outrageous, unreasonable demands.

I purchased my ZR24w from a merchant with a great return policy because I knew I would be sending it back & swearing off crappy LCD monitors for another 5 years. Now here it is weeks later & the ZR24w is still sitting on my desk.

Maybe I just received an exceptionally good unit. Maybe I mistakenly took delivery of a 'golden sample' that was supposed to be destined for a reviewer's hands, but I haven't experienced any of the problems that have been reported by users on the internet. My experience has been flawless and I love this monitor. Please pardon me, as I have to pause to take a drink of water as these words I am choking on in my throat as I despise HP as a company, its business practices, and everything it stands for as a company, but damn! This is a fine monitor.

I even like the company logo on the bezel. It's nice and small...very innocuous & blends in while you're viewing the screen rather being huge, silver, and in your face like the logos on most Dell monitors.
 

Innuendo_

Junior Member
Jun 12, 2010
11
0
0
I need a 23" 1080p IPS LCD for previewing HD videos out of Final Cut Pro and for doing color grading in Apple Color. What's better - the NEC or Viewsonic screen?

Don't know if it interests you or not, but Dell has the U2311H on sale again for $239 till the end of the month. Supposedly uses the exact same panel the NEC you are looking at does.
 

gtexan

Junior Member
Aug 27, 2010
1
0
0
I currently have 2 computers, both of which have crappy monitors.

The first monitor is a [FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Times New Roman]Lenovo 6135AB1. Its 19" with max resolution of 1200 x 1024 or so. The monitor is so contrasty, even when calibrated, that I lose a LOT of details.

The second monitor is an XGen something or other. Also 19". Also max 1200 x 1024. When calibrated the colors are ok, but the monitor is pretty old and disappointing overall. When I go to calibration websites, its fails miserably on many of the tests.


So I'd like to upgrade. I'd like a widescreen display, but don't want to lose a lot of height from my 19" display. I guess this means I need somewhere around 20-23" 16:10 or slightly larger 16:9

I don't game. I rarely watch movies. I use my computer for photo editing (leisure, for family, not for sale) and for work related purposes.

Is there an upgrade for sub $150 I can get that will fulfill these requirements?
[/FONT]
 

Winterpool

Senior member
Mar 1, 2008
830
0
0
Isn't this alarmingly inexpensive? MacMall offers the HP ZR24w for $300 after $50 rebate.

Anyone know any reason I should not purchase this monitor? I get the impression the Dell U2410 might be somewhat superior, but I'd probably rather not deal with its wide gamut. Not to mention it also costs a couple hundred more, heh (even with coupons, the cheapest I've seen the Dell is $430ish).

The Dell U2311H is often round $240, but it only offers 1080 vertical pixels.
 

realjetavenger

Senior member
Dec 8, 2008
244
0
76
I see on the hot deal thread that you did purchase the zr24w from Macmall. Can you keep us posted on what you get (and your opinion on the monitor)? This deal seemed real odd, considering the price difference between the special deal and "regular" price. I am looking at the same monitors you mentioned. The u2410 and Zr24w each have their own "flaws" when compared to each other. Flaws that I really would rather not conceed. For instance according to tftcentral, the black levels on the u2410 are worse than the Zr24w but the responsiveness on the Zr24w is worse than the u2410.
The u2311 looks tempting but 1200 is preferable.
 

C1

Platinum Member
Feb 21, 2008
2,340
89
91
Yes, the MacMall is a suspicious situation regatding ZR24w. Shown are two pricings. One for $399.99 ($349.99 after rebate) and a straight $495.99 offer - same HP part number each under its own MacMall part #.

http://www.macmall.com/s/HP/navigate?man=HP&cn=Monitors

I think it was discussed why this is so, in that HP has a certain number of units released as introductory pricing (eg, the issue why newegg's price is not competitive). Let's hope that the low budget units are not refurbs or returns/open box (ie, MacMall policy to send open box units on the rebated items because of the lower profit margin).
 

C1

Platinum Member
Feb 21, 2008
2,340
89
91
Yes, the MacMall is a suspicious situation regatding ZR24w. Shown are two pricings. One for $399.99 ($349.99 after rebate) and a straight $495.99 offer - same HP part number each under its own MacMall part #.

http://www.macmall.com/s/HP/navigate?man=HP&cn=Monitors

I think it was discussed why this is so, in that HP has a certain number of units released as introductory pricing (eg, the issue why newegg's price is not competitive). Let's hope that the low budget units are not refurbs or returns/open box (ie, MacMall policy to send open box units on the rebated items because of the lower profit margin).

=============
9/14 Update

I see that the Smart Buy units have a slightly different Manufacturer Part No.

Smart Buy Units are: MacMall Part #: 8086055 ; Mfr. Part #: VM633A8#ABA

Full Price Units are: MacMall Part #: 8062441; Mfr. Part #: VM633A4#ABA

Which leads me to believe that the Smart Buys are (for what ever reason) re-issued factory returns.
 
Last edited:

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
29,767
32
81
Any comments on the DELL 27" LCD?

I am thinking of skipping the entire 24" debate and going for 27...

Unless someone wants to recommend a 24" that outperforms the DELL 27 at around the same price point or less.

What I want is color reproduction accuracy for digital photography.
 

C1

Platinum Member
Feb 21, 2008
2,340
89
91
re:ZR24w 24-inch S-IPS Widescreen LCD Monitor under Smart Buy

Smart Buy Units are: MacMall Part #: 8086055 ; Mfr. Part #: VM633A8#ABA

Full Price Units are: MacMall Part #: 8062441; Mfr. Part #: VM633A4#ABA

Well, after surfing around I find that the VM633A8 variants are factory refurbs and $340 delivered is about the right price for the refurb (eg, MacMall is $339 w/free shipping & B&H Photo is $299 + $31 shipping). (Remember that MacMall is a reseller.) A8 variants are also designated as refurbs at PC Connection.

The problem is going to be exposure to quality issues such as dead/hot pixels (see B&H Photos ad), contaminants sandwiched under the display glass (see Newegg), color cast, uniformity issues, etc. It is always possible that one might luck out & get an acceptable unit, but as usual, it looks like you just dont get something for nothing.
 
Last edited:

Winterpool

Senior member
Mar 1, 2008
830
0
0
As far as I'm aware, the VM633A8 does not indicate it's a refurb. HP Business typically sells higher end displays under two SKUs, one of which is always quite a bit cheaper than the other ('Smart Buy'). I don't really understand this, but I recall reading somewhere it's to do with the way businesses submit and pay for orders.

I just looked up the 'A8' SKU on PCconnection for $406 and didn't find a refurb unit. Also if you search for the 'A8' model on HP's website, it comes up with a 3-year warranty and nothing about refurb. The price there is $425.

My monitor arrived on Monday. There's nothing on the packaging or in the documentation suggesting it's a refurb. It was made in China, supposedly in May 2010. I've had indifferent (okay, supercrappy) Intarweb access at my parents' house all week, so I've not been able to test it very much, but it looks good so far.

Edited: on the B&H website, there are both new and used ZR24ws but both bear the same manufacturer number (VM633A8); the prices are $390 and $300 respectively.
 
Last edited:

Winterpool

Senior member
Mar 1, 2008
830
0
0
Right, here's an explanation by Snowdog, one of the monitor gurus on the Hard|Forum.

Almost every HP business monitor has two prices. The higher price is essentially never used: it's a 'retail' price for businesses from which they negotiate a lower quote depending on order size.

As Snowdog observes, the confusion over the two prices and SKUs is revisited with almost every new HP display...
 

C1

Platinum Member
Feb 21, 2008
2,340
89
91
In every case of full retail price ($499 - $529) the variant is A4. In cases of the A8, the prices are lower, but mixed and some of the units are designated as refurbs or used.
It may well be that HP simply uses the AX designator for the smart buy program releases.
 

Winterpool

Senior member
Mar 1, 2008
830
0
0
Here is a transcript of a chat with an HP rep (though I realise many of us don't consider customer service representatives terribly well informed).

'Both the models have same specifications only difference is smart buy.'

Some thought the Smart Buy promo would last only a few initial months, but the SKU is obviously still available nearly 6 months later.

Almost every single punter on the Hard|Forum thread has bought the 'A8' SKU.

Debating whether I should shell out for a calibrator. Maybe for Christmas, heh...
 

C1

Platinum Member
Feb 21, 2008
2,340
89
91
Thanks for the info update.
Im leaning pretty much toward ZR24w. Wide gamut (WG) is more trouble than its worth, but all the units with composite/component input are WG. (Thought it would be nice to be able to use the monitor with a DvD player.) In addition, Im not interested in 16:9.

Im fussy about dead/hot pixels as Ive had (and seen) my share of notebooks & monitors with them and or vertical color stripes. Also when testing various floor models at Frys, it is amazing how bad LCD can be (brightness & color non-uniformities). It is tough to have to purchase a display without being able to have a chance to see it first. The display is such a big deal, not only because of cost, but it's such a critical system feature.

If (when?) I get one I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out.

PS: ZR24w doesnt have 1:1 option. Is this something to be concerned with (I watch a lot of 4:3 too).
 

C1

Platinum Member
Feb 21, 2008
2,340
89
91
Thanks for the info update.
Im leaning pretty much toward ZR24w. Wide gamut (WG) is more trouble than its worth, but all the units with composite/component input are WG. (Thought it would be nice to be able to use the monitor with a DvD player.) In addition, Im not interested in 16:9.

Im fussy about dead/hot pixels as Ive had (and seen) my share of notebooks & monitors with them and or vertical color stripes. Also when testing various floor models at Frys, it is amazing how bad LCD can be (brightness & color non-uniformities). It is tough to have to purchase a display without being able to have a chance to see it first. The display is such a big deal, not only because of cost, but it's such a critical system feature.

If (when?) I get one I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out.

PS: ZR24w doesnt have 1:1 option. Is this something to be concerned with (I watch a lot of 4:3 too).
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
29,767
32
81
So what is the final verdict on the ZR24w? Initial reviews were luke-warm.

I am still debating on whether to get two 24" at around $500 each or one 27" at around $1000. Or perhaps a REALLY high quality 24" for $500-1000?
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |