[Retired] The LCD Thread

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GTaudiophile

Lifer
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So what is the final verdict on the ZR24w? I remember it received luke-warm reviews when it first came out.

I am still debating whether to go 2x 24" or 1x 27", for around $1000.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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So what is the final verdict on the ZR24w? I remember it received luke-warm reviews when it first came out.

I am still debating whether to go 2x 24" or 1x 27", for around $1000.
 

Winterpool

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Mar 1, 2008
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I've not read all 100+ pages of the Hard|Forum yet, but it seems the ZR24w has the advantage of sRGB and perhaps less dodgy panels than, say, the Dell U2410 (fewer shortcomings in tinting and uniformity). Depending on where you live and shop, HP service might be superior to Dell's, especially when it comes to replacement.

The main weakness of the ZR24w is the black level. IPS panels are never going to get as dark as PVA (let alone plasma), but out of the box the ZR24w is blinding. Even setting the brightness down to 0 isn't sufficient in some cases to get the black levels and contrast to satisfactory levels. Users often have to bring down the RGB levels as well, though you should have proper calibration tools if you're going to do this. TFT Central was able to get an acceptable black level for the ZR24w after bringing down brightness and increasing contrast to 100, then calibrating.

My present brightness is set to 5. So far, I don't notice any dead pixels or uniformity issues (touch wood). I haven't spent too much time judging the black levels on my display, but I'm used to IPS (have a Dell 2209WA and an iMac). At the other extreme, the telly here is a Pioneer plasma, so any LCD is going to fall short in regard to blacks when watching movies, etc.

Of course, I paid only $300 for my display, so if it's not as superb a monitor as an NEC LCD2490WUXi, I won't count it a great tragedy.
 

Winterpool

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Yes, the UltraSharp 2209WA has an 'e-IPS' panel; it was one of the first of the affordable e-IPS displays that were released in the past couple of years. Like almost all current non-Apple IPS monitors, it has a matte coating. It's also only 1680x1050 (unlike the recent 1920x1080 21.5-inch IPS panels).
 

Luddite

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Nov 24, 2003
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Thanks. I was hoping it would be glossy.

My search for a glossy IPS screen (non-Apple) continues.....
 

ibex333

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Hey guys, please help me pick out an inexpensive monitor. I am looking to spend $200 max including shipping.

This will be used for mostly general browsing, basic movie watching, word processing, HEAVY gaming and some Photoshop. From my research it looks like ASUS monitors offer the best deals in this category, however, I have an Asus VH226H and although it is a nice monitor it FEELS cheap. I am pretty sure there are other options that feel slightly better made in this price range.... Any ideas?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Is there at least 1 Website with a good track record of Reviewing Monitors? Customer Reviews are numerous, but I don't trust them as much as a good Professional/Experienced source. I've been looking at numerous Monitors(LED Backlit TN Panels) and have found only 1 Review of 2 models of Monitor of 3 or 4 that's available to me. It's really frustrating as I don't like buying things blindly.

Specifically, these are the monitors in question:

LG E2340T-PN 23IN Widescreen LED Backlit LCD Monitor === No Reviews found

BenQ V2410 24IN LED LCD === 1 Review found


ASUS MS238H 23IN Widescreen Ultra Slim LED === 1 Reviews found<<<Leaning towards this Monitor at the moment
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Can anyone help me pick out a new monitor? My CRT is getting a little long in the tooth. I've been out of the loop for quite a while. I mostly play games and occasionally watch movies on monitor. I mostly play at night if that matters any. I'm unsure how LED and LCD stack up against each other in picture quality, but I currently am looking at these two. I would of course consider other options that are exceptional.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236049

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236075

My budget is about 170-230 including tax and shipping. Any advice would be most helpful.
 

C1

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LED backlighting in low end monitors is not the best. Ive seen quite a few with a seeming color cast & reviews have cited uniformity issues. But LED shouldnt have the CFL issue of warm up delay before achieving full brightness.
 

Innuendo_

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To reiterate what others have said, any monitor bought through the Smart Buy program is *not* a refurb. If someone bought one & received a unit that was less than 100% brand new was either the victim of a misleading merchant or not paying enough attention to the item description.

HP has promo (Smart Buy) pricing on a lot of their products. Their popular smart switch the ProCurve 1810G is also available through Smart Buy pricing and those units are no less new than any other ProCurve switch.

Smart Buy pricing isn't available forever, though. While the LP2475W monitor enjoyed Smart Buy pricing for approximately a year where you could buy one for around the same price the ZR24w's are going for now these days you can't hardly find a 2475W for less than $575.

If someone wants a high-quality 24" IPS panel for under $1,000 these days one's choices are the HP ZR24w, HP LP2475W, or a Dell U2410. Unfortunately, you aren't going to get a no-compromises-made product in this price range with that feature set, but even some of the most finicky people have found happiness with me being one of them.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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Well for photowork that's a bit light on budget. You are going to want IPS technology. There is the HP and Dell mentioned here, but many are finding issues.

I picked up a refurbished NEC2490WUXi and never regreted it. It was more than $500 still.

To me dual screens don't really have an appeal since I am already running 1920x1200...I'd like to go 30" one day and run 2560. It adds a lot of overhead though if you game at all.
 

Winterpool

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Probably your best bet, at that budget, is the Dell U2410. Get some decent calibration kit and hope you don't get a dodgy panel (uniformity, tinting). If you're one of the lucky ones who get a good panel and can calibrate it properly, you'll probably be as well equipped as anyone can be at that budget.

The HP ZR24w is native sRGB (which may be an advantage if you're doing mostly photo work for the Web). Its principal weakness (indifferent blacks) should be less of an issue if you're doing mostly photo work (unless, erm, there's lots of dark photos involved, like arty b&w images) -- less than inky blacks tend to bother cinephiles more. For whatever reason it seems to suffer from a fewer percentage of flawed panels than the Dell U2410. The blacks and brightness are what make it difficult for some punters to calibrate the HP as well as other displays.

Or you can drop down to the 23-inch 1920x1080 monitors, which are much cheaper. Even if they're not ideal, you might not feel as disappointed as you would if you'd spent $400-500.
 

Systemlord

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Apr 22, 2007
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Can anyone help me pick out a new monitor? My CRT is getting a little long in the tooth. I've been out of the loop for quite a while. I mostly play games and occasionally watch movies on monitor. I mostly play at night if that matters any. I'm unsure how LED and LCD stack up against each other in picture quality, but I currently am looking at these two. I would of course consider other options that are exceptional.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236049

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236075



My budget is about 170-230 including tax and shipping. Any advice would be most helpful.

I'm in the same boat as Sophitia, I'm looking for a better than average gaming LCD with ultra fast response time and very low to no input lag. I have been waiting for a nice 120Hz LCD since most reviewers test results have shown very low RTC errors in single monitor 120Hz mode when compared with your average 60-75Hz LCD, also I must have a glossy screen as I can't go back to matte finish screens! The Asus 23" 1920x1080 120Hz has cought my eye, I'm not intrested in running three monitors nor am I intrested in 3D gaming.

Thanks for any recommendations, Systemlord.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm2233rz_10.html
It means that the RTC errors are not just lower but also vanish from the screen faster! Now take note that the interval between the two positions of the square is twice smaller at 120Hz than at 60Hz. Thus, the square moves by only half the distance, and the bright spot is only half the width!
 

C1

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Feb 21, 2008
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To reiterate what others have said, any monitor bought through the Smart Buy program is *not* a refurb. If someone bought one & received a unit that was less than 100% brand new was either the victim of a misleading merchant or not paying enough attention to the item description.

Probably the most credible explanation/rationale of "SmartBuy" Ive seen yet (from DPReview):

"SmartBuy is simply a bulk purchase discount program offered by HP to the retailer. It's the same monitor - bought in bulk or with a commitment to buy a certain volume over a period of time.

HP has used this system for marketing their monitors for years."
 

T2k

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Feb 24, 2004
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Sorry, meant the U2711.

They are pretty much the same - FYI today we just got our first Quadro 5000-series card and I can confirm that U2711 does indeed handle 10-bit just fine, whatever it is doing inside (confirmed with a simple gradient in Fusion 6.1, no banding in 10-bit vs banding in 8-bit mode.)
 

Winterpool

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Mar 1, 2008
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The Dell U2711 does seem rather like a 27-inch version of the U2410 (and so a bit different in capabilities from the 27-inch iMac and Apple Cinema Display). If you need the pixels, this may be the way to go for a photo editor.

Note that it's on sale at Dell for $900 after coupon.
 
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