[Retired] The LCD Thread

[sandorski]

and why we neeed new? today is more harder than ever to enlighten buyers to steer away from TN.

They are much improved from the early days. Doesn't make much sense to obsess over this.

 

[hawtdawg]

Asus VE248H
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236102

or

SAMSUNG BX2431

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001440

 

[ClockHound]

They are much improved from the early days. Doesn't make much sense to obsess over this.

And still much, much more improvement required before TN panels can compete on anything but price. The viewing angles are still horrible and still 6 bit panels with dither.

Not obsessive, just basic observation. At least now we have low cost eIPS as options. I'd select the $199.00 2209A over any TN in that price range. And did.

 

[sandorski]

And still much, much more improvement required before TN panels can compete on anything but price. The viewing angles are still horrible and still 6 bit panels with dither.

Not obsessive, just basic observation. At least now we have low cost eIPS as options. I'd select the $199.00 2209A over any TN in that price range. And did.

Good for you. Srsly though, there isn't a current Panel type that hasn't some major flaw when compared to CRTs. Competing on Price alone is very valid when everyone else has sinned.

 

[C1]

Yup. I agree. (Have certificates in electronics with a specialty in TV repair.) The display of a system is so incredibly important and such a major feature. There are many aspects that a good display (of any type) must fulfill.

Been shopping a long time for an LCD. Many are called, but few are able to be chosen (stomached?). So far ALL LCD are shown to be compromises over high end CRT.

 

[vshin]

And still much, much more improvement required before TN panels can compete on anything but price. The viewing angles are still horrible and still 6 bit panels with dither.

Not obsessive, just basic observation. At least now we have low cost eIPS as options. I'd select the $199.00 2209A over any TN in that price range. And did.

I've seen IPS displays and quite frankly I think TN panels are more suited for the typical PC gamer. The advantages of IPS doesn't really outweigh the input lag and lack of deep blacks I see on many IPS screens. Viewing angle is never an issue for me (because I sit in front of my monitor) and color precision isn't essential since most of us don't do graphic work. I'm not trying to begrudge IPS monitors but just wanted to make clear that these panels are better suited for non-gamers.

The only thing I like about IPS panels is that they come in 16:10 rather than the ubiquitous 16:9 aspect ratios for TN.

 

[C1]

I second that and would add that there are also a few 16:10 TN panels (eg, Asus VW266H and which has a bit better vertical viewing angle - 170 deg - than the run of the mill TN panel).

 

[nvn88]

Asus VE248H
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236102

or

SAMSUNG BX2431

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001440

I cannot suggest the ve248h, I'm having bad ghosting issues (check this video, not by me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZxJMJxWVFk). I'm considering returning it for another monitor, at the moment checking if all the ve248h are affected by this problem (actually 7/7 people I know reported it).

Looking for another 24 gaming monitor atm.

 

[GZFant]

I've seen IPS displays and quite frankly I think TN panels are more suited for the typical PC gamer. The advantages of IPS doesn't really outweigh the input lag and lack of deep blacks I see on many IPS screens. Viewing angle is never an issue for me (because I sit in front of my monitor) and color precision isn't essential since most of us don't do graphic work. I'm not trying to begrudge IPS monitors but just wanted to make clear that these panels are better suited for non-gamers.

The only thing I like about IPS panels is that they come in 16:10 rather than the ubiquitous 16:9 aspect ratios for TN.

This is where I would completely disagree with you. With the benefits of color accuracy and pure beauty that IPS panels offer over TN panels, as well as the negligible input lag and response times that I have witnessed first hand between the two, quality IPS panels far outweigh TN panels in every single aspect except cost. Truly, except cost. Furthermore, until you see an IPS without the matte finish that hinders even more color, I personally feel again that IPS is superior in every way shape and form and will continue to be.

I also completely agree with all comments based upon the display of a system apart from a quality PSU being the single most important aspect.

Now, this is all based off of casual/not pro gamers. Which we all are. If you are truly a professional gamer and play games for a living, then yes a TN panel is in your best interest because those thousands of a second in that instance might matter. Otherwise, without a doubt IPS is superior in every aspect.

 

[PUNKem733]

Asus VE248H
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236102

or

SAMSUNG BX2431

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001440

It's down to those two myself now. I'll probably go Sammy since it's cheaper, and name brand.

 

[C1]

In general,TN panels are faster than IPS. If viewing angles are not important, then there are many fine TN panels that are better suited to fast gaming. I mean, com'on, where you gonna find an IPS panel spec'd at 2ms? Besides, there can be other issues with IPS such as "the classic IPS dirty" look.

 

[vshin]

I wouldn't say the input lag is negligible as the delay for some IPS monitors can be as high as 30ms, which may be subtle but is still noticeable even for casual gamers. It's probably one of the most important features for gaming, and certainly more important than a marginal improvement in color accuracy.

I'm sure there are quality IPS displays with very low input delay but they seem very rare and too expensive to be seriously considered by users who are not involved with graphical/professional work.

 

[craftech]

Actually, I found a TN panel that is 16:10. The User Reviews seem very good to boot:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009241

John

 

[Adul]

You accepting the torch?

I don't quiet have the time either. Top bad multiple people can't edit a post in a WIKI type of fashion. That would be a lot easier to keep guides like this up-to-date.

As for monitors I went with the Hp Zr24 and I am pretty happy with it. It sits next to my NEC 20wgmx2 monitor. ( god I wish there was a 24" version of that one )

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So, I was going to buy the Asus VH236H for my brother for Christmas, but I waited too long and the sweet deal ($129 after rebate) ended. What do you guys recommend for around $150? I'm hoping to get a 22" or 23" monitor for that price.

 

[craftech]

So, I was going to buy the Asus VH236H for my brother for Christmas, but I waited too long and the sweet deal ($129 after rebate) ended. What do you guys recommend for around $150? I'm hoping to get a 22" or 23" monitor for that price.

See my post just above regarding the Acer.

John

 

[IndyColtsFan]

See my post just above regarding the Acer.

John

Thanks. I'm debating whether to go for 1680 or go up to 1980. I am leaning towards 1980 X 1080 at a minimum.

 

[craftech]

Thanks. I'm debating whether to go for 1680 or go up to 1980. I am leaning towards 1980 X 1080 at a minimum.

The Acer is 16:10, a rarity in a TN panel these days. 1920 x 1080 is a television screen aspect ratio (16:9) and not a computer screen (16:10) aspect ratio. It is unfortunate that the industry chose to go almost exclusively with a television format for computing to save a few bucks.

John

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The Acer is 16:10, a rarity in a TN panel these days. 1920 x 1080 is a television screen aspect ratio (16:9) and not a computer screen (16:10) aspect ratio. It is unfortunate that the industry chose to go almost exclusively with a television format for computing to save a few bucks.

John

Newegg had an "Encore Tuesday" deal on the Acer G235HAbd 23" monitor for $140 so I bought it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009266

I would've preferred 1920 x 1200 to be honest, but my brother won't really care. In my case, I bought the U2410 because I did care.

 

[Luddite]

Furthermore, until you see an IPS without the matte finish that hinders even more color, I personally feel again that IPS is superior in every way shape and form and will continue to be.

I totally agree. But who makes a glossy IPS monitor besides Apple?

 

[PUNKem733]

After all this time, I finally got my Asus VW246H. Got it for 169 on new egg, and just got it today, and all I can say is WOW. Going form an 8 year old 17 incher to this 24 inch widescreen beauty is amazing.

 

[craftech]

Newegg had an "Encore Tuesday" deal on the Acer G235HAbd 23" monitor for $140 so I bought it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009266

I would've preferred 1920 x 1200 to be honest, but my brother won't really care. In my case, I bought the U2410 because I did care.

Great deal and nice reviews. Congrats!

Regards,

John

 

[dud]

I'm looking for a larger TN monitor for general purpose use (surfing/MS Office work/some gaming) and found this 27" Viewsonic for $239 with free shipping. What does the community think? And I thank you ...

http://www.pcconnectionexpress.com/...-_-New-_-WN486&ci_src=5784816&ci_sku=11997459



Color Black
Performance
Horizontal Frequency (kHz) 30-82
Response Time/Rate 3 ms
Dot Pitch .3114 mm
Vertical Frequency (Hz) 56-75
Color Support 16.7 million colors
Image Brightness 300 nit(s)
Internal Resolution (max) 1920 x 1080
Contrast Ratio 1200:1
Contrast Ratio 60000:1
Digital Video Standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Display Size 27 in
Display Technology TFT
Display Type Widescreen
Viewing Angle (H/V degrees) 170/160
Actual Weight 12.80 lb(s)
Contents Monitor, VGA cable, DVI-D cable, power cable, CD, documentation
Physical Dimensions 15.7"h x 25.5"w x 2.6"d
Ports/Connectors (1) HDDB15 VGA
(1) DVI-D
(1) Power in

 

[StrangerGuy]

How's the Dell U221H for gaming? My current LG L227WTG is simply stellar for gaming but I thinking of trying out IPS first-hand since I can get it shipped for only $190 here.

 

[akrobet]

I have recently bought an HP LP2475w but can't get used to its black. It is too bright even when brightness set to ca. 20, it changes rapidly with different angles and there is visible blacklight bleeding from all corners of the screen.
I have documented the issue with some pictures:

Pic1
Pic2
Pic3
Pic4

And a video:

Video


I have the latest drivers on a Mobility 4670 and tried another PC too, via HDMI. Tried to reset to factory settings... Nothing helps.

Is this all I can get from this screen or do I have a faulty model?