[Retired] The LCD Thread

[C1]

Depends on how desperate one is.

 

[dud]

Depends on how desperate one is.

If this comment:

"Im happy for you dude. But put up a BW PIX (eg, a movie) and sit down in your easy chair and observe the shades of gray changing octaves. Been there done all that testing at Frys. TN is okay if you glue your nose to the screen or if you just dont care about anything except narrow/nitch utilization."

... was meant for me I could care less about watching movies on a computer monitor ... I just use it to surf shopping sites such as QVC.com, HSN.com, etc.

 

[craftech]

is Acer G245Hbmid Olympic Edition 24" Widescreen LCD Display

the same as 24": Acer G24, 1920x1200 (16:10)?

No. That one is 16:9

John

 

[craftech]

Has anyone tried the el-cheapo 28" at $250 from Microcenter? I can't seem to find anyone else who sells this or a review.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0350533

Granted it only does 1920x1200, but it seems to be rare to find 16x10 monitors anymore - and at 28" - its a pretty sweet deal.

agressiv

Did you buy it? Give us a report if you did.

John

 

[craftech]

who the fuck is going to watch a TN monitor from an easy chair?

Didn't you know? The industry has decided that computer monitors are now televisions. Thus 16:9. Makes me want to hook up my 42 inch Panasonic plasma to my computer and throw away my 16:10 monitor just to get with the times.

John

 

[efficacyman]

Greetings, all - I'm shopping for a new monitor and getting very frustrated. My tastes are apparently way out of the mainstream, as I love high-PPI panels. I've built myself a new "chair side" PC to replace the laptop (ThinkPad T40) I've been using in my easy chair, and the only piece left is the monitor, which will be installed on an arm. As the display will be quite close up, I don't want something enormous - but I refuse to back down in resolution from the 1400x1050 display I have on the T40 - especially in terms of vertical resolution.

Given this use, a VESA mount is absolutely essential, and I would really prefer an HDMI interface; the PC has VGA, DVI and HDMI - but HDMI cables are less bulky and remove the need for a separate audio cable. For cable bulk reasons, I'd prefer an external power brick to a direct AC connection. Speakers in the monitor would be a plus, but I can live without them. I'd prefer LED illumination, but I'll tolerate CCFL. I prefer 16:10 displays, but under the circumstances will grit my teeth and accept a 1920x1080 if all the other features are right. IPS is preferred, TN is a no-go. Oh yes - and I'm a matte/anti-glare person... I really can't stand glossy.

I really, REALLY wish I could get a 17" IPS 1920x1200 for this purpose, if that gives you an idea where my preferences are.

Any pointers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Try this monitor which has high PPI for the medical market - however the price is also medical (3,500) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824002481 2048 x 1536 23" IPS display. Alternatively you could look for a 2048 x 1152 TN panel which used to run ~ $300 but they are apparently out of production eg. SAMSUNG 2343BWX or Acer B233HUbmidhz.

Edit:
You may want to look out for a used T220 or T221 - 3,840 x 2,400 resolution, albeit with a low refresh rate and graphics card problems (needs 4 dvi inputs). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors

 

[Aristotelian]

So, I'm building a new multimedia (photo editing, video editing, movie watching, gaming) rig, and I'm having a tough time deciding on a monitor.

I think 30 inches might be too big for me, and was looking at 27 inch monitors. The Dell U2711 seemed good until I read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2922/4 re: ghosting/lag.

Am I asking too much for:
i) Good build quality
ii) Good picture quality
iii) Not laggy
iv) In a roughly 1000 dollar budget?

Do any of you game on the U2711? I'd like IPS for the picture quality but would like to game on the monitor too. I'm looking for a 24 inch and up monitor, preferrably around the 27 inch range.

I'd appreciate any/all suggestions.

 

[sandorski]

So, I'm building a new multimedia (photo editing, video editing, movie watching, gaming) rig, and I'm having a tough time deciding on a monitor.

I think 30 inches might be too big for me, and was looking at 27 inch monitors. The Dell U2711 seemed good until I read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2922/4 re: ghosting/lag.

Am I asking too much for:
i) Good build quality
ii) Good picture quality
iii) Not laggy
iv) In a roughly 1000 dollar budget?

Do any of you game on the U2711? I'd like IPS for the picture quality but would like to game on the monitor too. I'm looking for a 24 inch and up monitor, preferrably around the 27 inch range.

I'd appreciate any/all suggestions.

You could, instead, get 2 Monitors. An IPS for your Work, a decent and cheap TN for Gaming/Other less important tasks. Just an idea to consider.

 

[Aristotelian]

You could, instead, get 2 Monitors. An IPS for your Work, a decent and cheap TN for Gaming/Other less important tasks. Just an idea to consider.

Thanks for this. I'm going to take a bit of time to test things out. If you had a minute I would appreciate you checking out my thread in General Hardware for overall build advice.

I'm coming close to pulling the trigger but I want a monitor that'll live up to the rest of the build and not let me down. I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I find this kind of thing difficult.

 

[Kaido]

Time for my own upgrade!

I'm switching to a laptop. I want a 23"/24" IPS at home for color work (Video color grading & Photoshop, etc.). 4 options on the table that I'm aware of:

1. 24" HP ZR24w
2. 23" Viewsonic VP2365wb
3. 23" NEC EA231WMI-BK
4. 23" Dell U2311H

Open to other options. Just want whatever's best in that size range (I don't want anything bigger than about 24").

 

[C1]

Tough call.

The order of recommendation for IPS monitors is (low to high):

- NEC EA231WMI-BK
- HP ZR24w
- NEC 2490WUXI2

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

Finally, most everybody that reports in seems to really like their Viewsonic VP2365wb.

To me, it seems to have a low defect rate and I would feel safest ordering that one sight unseen off the internet, but you'd be better off paying a bit more & buying it out of Fry's Electronics. The issues with it seem to be 16:9 and not the best black levels. Tftcentral ranks that monitor last in your list, the shortfalls being cited as :
- Maximum brightness
- Black levels
- Connectivity options

In any event, good luck and let us know what you find out as Im in the same boat.

 

[craftech]

Time for my own upgrade!

I'm switching to a laptop. I want a 23"/24" IPS at home for color work (Video color grading & Photoshop, etc.). 4 options on the table that I'm aware of:

1. 24" HP ZR24w
2. 23" Viewsonic VP2365wb
3. 23" NEC EA231WMI-BK
4. 23" Dell U2311H

Open to other options. Just want whatever's best in that size range (I don't want anything bigger than about 24").

I still cannot understand how anyone doing photo work can settle for a 16:9 display over a 16:10 display? Can someone explain this to me?

John

 

[Kaido]

I still cannot understand how anyone doing photo work can settle for a 16:9 display over a 16:10 display? Can someone explain this to me?

John

Sure - it's all in your head

With a 1920x1200 vs. a 1920x1080 resolution, you're only gaining 120 vertical pixels - about the size of a banner ad on a webpage. If you factor in your OS menubar, the application toolbar, the size of the picture, the palettes that you have open, and the actual working space that you use on a regular basis...well, it's all in your head. There ya go

Personally I prefer 16:10 displays, but they're starting get a little rare. 1080p models are flooding the market. A lot of the new IPS LCD's are 1080p. It's nice for full-screen movie & TV show playback because you don't get black bars on the top and the bottom. And for fullscreen playback if you do movie editing. I'd rather have a 16:10 display and have more room to work with pixel-wise, but if the 16:9 display looks better, I'm going to go with that. Oh well.

 

[postmortemIA]

Sure - it's all in your head

With a 1920x1200 vs. a 1920x1080 resolution, you're only gaining 120 vertical pixels - about the size of a banner ad on a webpage. If you factor in your OS menubar, the application toolbar, the size of the picture, the palettes that you have open, and the actual working space that you use on a regular basis...well, it's all in your head. There ya go

after you factor all these things, then 120px of usable space is a big deal.

 

[MrCoyote]

after you factor all these things, then 120px of usable space is a big deal.

I don't get why manufacturers are sticking with only 1920x1080/1200 for 24"-27" displays? That resolution at 27" is not enough and dot-pitch is too high. I'd like to see higher resolution panels at these screen sizes and also 16:10.

 

[C1]

Certainly cost is a major factor and there probably are other issues as well (eg, getting acceptable low # of defects in a huge pixel packed panel). It would appear that if you need that much real estate then you are expected to use multiple displays vice a giant one.

The reason why there are so few high end 16:10 IPS/PVA/MVA panels is because of low demand due to cost. Look at BH Photo and NewEgg reviews for $900 and above panels (eg, NEC 2490WUXI2) and how many reviews do you see? Maybe four total. The bulk of the market is in cheap under $200 TN panels. Zillions of those are sold everyday at places like Frys Electronics.

What is so funny IMO, is that you wont find a stupid 16:9 panel in movie studio's editing room.

 

[jlee]

I don't get why manufacturers are sticking with only 1920x1080/1200 for 24"-27" displays? That resolution at 27" is not enough and dot-pitch is too high. I'd like to see higher resolution panels at these screen sizes and also 16:10.

Well there's the Dell UltraSharp U3011 at 30" 2560x1600, but it's $1499...I looked up their 27" panel and while it's better than 1080P (2560x1440), it's still 16:9.

 

[craftech]

Well there's the Dell UltraSharp U3011 at 30" 2560x1600, but it's $1499...I looked up their 27" panel and while it's better than 1080P (2560x1440), it's still 16:9.

I have the Dell 2209WA. Seemed reasonably priced and it was also IPS and 16:10. It was one of Dell's most popular models and Dell went and discontinued it to push 16:9 models instead. Sickening IMO..

But for video editing I still use a high res CRT monitor with 750 lines of horizontal resolution

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/tech_desc.jsp?model_id=MDL101461&feature_id=02

I think at the time it was around $500. Maybe less. I forget.

John

 

[d3c3p7i0n]

I am looking into purchasing a new HDTV or monitor and i had a few questions. The main use will be for games, movies, and maybe occasional work. This screen will replace my current setup as my main "entertainment" screen. I have a 6970 and a 22 inch monitor currently. As far as monitors go I am looking into a 27" or 30" maybe IPS screen or a much larger HDTV. So I am mainly just wondering what are the major differences and disadvantages for each screen. Which has the better quality and which is worth getting. I am also looking to spend 700-1000.

Thanks ahead of time for any help provided. This is my first post but i have already found plenty of answers here!

 

[Skott]

Hello all. Long time no post here. Lately I been thinking of moving up to a larger size LCD. I love my 22" but I'm considering building a new rig and I'd like to try something like a 27". Looking around and reading up on things it seems the ASUS VE278Q is getting the most recommendations. Its not too terribly high priced either it seems. A tad over $300. My only gripe with it is that its 1920x1080. I'd rather stick to 1920x1200 because I do more than just play games on my PC. Considering I want to keep to 1920x1200 resolutions what other 27" LCDs are a good choice of quality?

Edit: I see there is a I-Inc iH-282HPB 1920 x 1200 monitor going for $250 currently. I'm going to look into it. Most user reviews seem to think its decent for its price. TestFreaks gave it a 9.4 out of 10 rating. Don't know if they are a good reliable site to believe or not. Not the best 28" out there but if its good it may be what I'm looking for.

 

[GNva]

I am looking for a new gaming monitor.

There is any news about the Samsung S27A950? It uses a propietary 3D solution. Is it compatible with Nvidia´s 3D Vision?.

Another option is the new Acer HN274H, it has the Nvidia´s IR emitter incorporated.

Wich one is best?

Thanks.

 

[Red87]

I'm a little curious about monitors, IPS in particular.

I'm looking at a 27" monitor, and my 2 final candidates are the 27" Apple Cinema Display and the Dell U2711.

I currently have a 13" Macbook as my primary computer, but I'll be building a PC to play modern games and do some graphic design work as well in March.

I'm leaning towards the Apple Cinema Display (ACD) as it will work well with my current Mac, but what I'm curious is that I'll be running an AMD HD6950 (probably 2 due to monitor resolution) and I noticed most of the vendor 6950's have Mini-DisplayPort out. The ACD should work fine from the start with the PC, right, as long as I hook up the Mini-DP into the Mini-DP out on the video card? I know I'll be giving up HDMI and DVI options (and height adjustment), but I'm fine with that.

On the other hand the Dell U2711 has many more inputs, but I really am not a fan of the matte screen after seeing one in person and would prefer the glossy of the ACD. Its also guaranteed to work with the PC, which is the only reason I was weary of the ACD.

Thanks!

 

[ghoti]

Hi all,

I need a new monitor. The U2410 (ordinarily ~$600) is, for the next couple of days, apparently on sale for 25% off, at ~$450. (This is still a significant amount of $$ for me!)

I have read so many disparaging comments about 16:9. I do NO video editing or similar, BUT, on the other hand, I do not watch movies on my computer. On the rare occasions when I would like to watch something in 1080P, the narrow black bars top and bottom would not bother me. Frankly, if I had my druthers, I'd go for another 4:3. However, LCDs of that size don't seem to be widely available (except for bottom end) any more. (I've been very happy with my old Viewsonic VP930b, which my wife is now using, but something slightly larger would be nice). My eyesight is not great, and 1280x1024 on the 19" 4:3 VP930b is about all I can handle.

The U2410 looks ideal EXCEPT for the multiple comments I've seen about pink/green tint problems.

Has this problem been rectified in recent production runs? Anyone have experience with a recently-purchased NEW U2410?

Also, how is Dell about returns? Suppose I get it and hate it. Can I return it (even with a small restocking charge)?

Input and suggestions much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[GNva]

More information on Samsung's S27A950.

http://www.samsungusanews.com/2011/...2011-flagship-it-display-and-projector-lines/

 

[TridenT]

I wish there was some kind of rental for monitor calibrators.

I used some settings I got off a forum and it looks way different than what I am used to... I don't know if it's right or wrong. D: