[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Butaz]

Hi xtknight and everybody,

You knew DigitalVersus for the Face to Face, the measered image dely for each LCD too. Now there are full reviews:

22 inch LCD monitors, a review of 2007 models
They were meant to spell the end for 20 and 21 inch screens. And there is good reason. They are bigger and not more expensive (sometimes they are even cheaper). Also, recently some have cumulated advantages in design, reactivity, and colors.

30 inch monitor survey: Apple, Dell and Samsung

A 30 inch LCD is a 76 cm diagonal and has 2560 x 1600 pixels totaling more than 4 million. This is equivalent to the amount of information displayed on five 15 inch LCDs or two 24 inch screens in a dual monitor configuration.

There will be soon the 23 to 28", the 20" and 19".

 

[TVisitor]

Are the 30" displays that require a dual DVI feed simply taking 2 DVI cables and hooking them up seperately to the monitor, or does it require something special on the video card (some other strange connector)?

 

[TVisitor]

By the way, I'd read in a few places that the BenQ FP241WZ was discontinued as of August 7th. I didn't see this on the BenQ site... but just FYI, maybe it's worth looking into.

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Where sis you see the F-20 as having a TN panel? I saw the same 176/176 and ventured a guess as it having the same VA panel as the AL2051W.

Actually, I assumed from the THG review which listed 170/170 that it was a TN.

Apparently, 170/170 is also a more accurate measurement for an MVA display. I knew this...

Thanks for the advice about the NEC but I ordered the F-20 yesterday ($290USD from Tiger Direct).

I'll post back about the monitor after I get it.

Again, xtnight, thanks for the thread. I learned more reading this than I could have gotten anywhere else.

:thumbsup:

The F-20 may have been a good choice then, since it's a P-MVA. Good luck with whatever you get. Sorry for the mix-up.

Good to hear that you've learned the most here. That's the only reason I stay here, since it's still the best resource around.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I'm up and running on this and I have a few comments and a question:

* Out of the box, my first impression was WOW! The finish is certainly classy and quite a fashion statement (but this ahs nothing to do with IQ).
* My original impression of the IQ was quite high but then I borrowed a Spyder2Pro from work and calibrated it. WOW AGAIN!
* The color and detail after calibration is quite stunning.
* The speakers are horribly inadequate (but I didn't want the monitor for the speakers).

Q: You stated the panel is P-MVA while this site lists it as S-IPS. Is there a way I can clear up this discrepancy?

I'm quite satisfied with my purchase and feel I've bought a quality display at a bargain price.

xtknight, thanks once more for this thread. I would consider it required reading for anyone considering a new LCD monitor.

 

[CMar]

Originally posted by: Butaz
Hi xtknight and everybody,

You knew DigitalVersus for the Face to Face, the measered image dely for each LCD too. Now there are full reviews:

22 inch LCD monitors, a review of 2007 models
They were meant to spell the end for 20 and 21 inch screens. And there is good reason. They are bigger and not more expensive (sometimes they are even cheaper). Also, recently some have cumulated advantages in design, reactivity, and colors.

.

they are cheaper because they are, cheaper (crap) TN panels.
i wish someone made a good pva or ips 22 panel, because it is the perfect size to me.

same vert space as a 20" but but with just wider.

 

[djkilla]

BREAKING NEWS!

Lenovo's L220x Monitor the First 22-Inch with a 1920 by 1200 Pixel Count

http://tinyurl.com/yuaswp

 

[alins]

More here:
http://www.slashgear.com/lenov...ustry-first-177437.php

Is this an S-IPS panel (178 degree viewing angle)?

Originally posted by: djkilla
BREAKING NEWS!

Lenovo's L220x Monitor the First 22-Inch with a 1920 by 1200 Pixel Count

http://tinyurl.com/yuaswp

 

[ShogoXT]

Hello im new to these forums and just got done reading the first page of this thread. I was wondering if you could help me with a new monitor. Im using a CRT still and im not really convinced about LCDs, plus I have the space.

Now the original monitor I had for a LONG time (i think before i got hardcore into learning about computers and becoming a technician) was I found out recently a Radius L-1 (i think, now that i pulled it out of its hole I can see its label). I must say it was great, just pure awesomeness, but since when i originally started to see it slowly die, and couldnt find any info on its brand so I assumed it wasnt a good company (now i know better). I wasnt the one who bought it also, so I wasnt sure of its quality that way too.

Recently I got a rude awakening when I tried to buy a higher quality CRT. First I tried a Viewsonic G90FB-4, which first one had discolor problems. The second one I got had obvious quality inferiority compared to my Radius L-1. I called Viewsonic trying to figure out why my newer and yet still expensive viewsonic looked worse. They said it MUST be broken (even though i tried to tell them it looked apart of the design). Third one was the same, so I thought "maybe Viewsonic is just overhyped". Returning it and got a NEC MultiSync FE992 from newegg. It has higher res, so im closer to keeping it, but.....

My problem is I want to be able to play my games in many res's, without having to worry about "native" resolution. I play different games at different resolutions because my system is a bang for the buck system. So it can play some games at 1600x1200, some at 1280x1024, and some heavy games like oblivion at 1024x768 or so. So I hope you can see where my problems are with LCDs. I didnt want emulated pixels that look like I am running at lower resolutions than i actually am.

The problem with my new monitors? After beholding and now realizing the awesome experience that is Radius with its exact pixels seeing everything and every color exactly as its delivered from the video card, its an eyesore to see zillions of dots on my CRT that arnt actually pixels, but dots in diamond shapes making pixels. So that supposed strait lines are bumpy at close inspection, solid colors show up as almost "chain-mail" looking, and MOST of all since im a gamer my resolutions look like they have a badly done anti-aliasing put on the screen so things arnt as clear.

What is a person like me to do? I need flexible resolutions, I can fit the tube, but the actual screen I cant fit more than 20 MAYBE 21 inches. After beholding the superiority that is Radius for so long, I cant accept a downgrade so easily.

I appreciate any expertise you all can afford, I havent had to worry about monitors for a long time, so i neglected to learn much about monitors when I was heavy learning how other computer systems work. Im not liking LCDs too much, even though its many improvements over the years, but im open to the possibility if it will fit my needs.

I appologize if this is the wrong thread for this, but thank you again.

 

[DarkNovaNick]

xtknight -- Thanks for all the help. I ended up buying the Samsung 971P from CompUSA.com for $250 after rebate. I think it will work well for my purposes and am looking forward to trying it out. Thanks again!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: KGBMAN

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Where sis you see the F-20 as having a TN panel? I saw the same 176/176 and ventured a guess as it having the same VA panel as the AL2051W.

Actually, I assumed from the THG review which listed 170/170 that it was a TN.

Apparently, 170/170 is also a more accurate measurement for an MVA display. I knew this...

Thanks for the advice about the NEC but I ordered the F-20 yesterday ($290USD from Tiger Direct).

I'll post back about the monitor after I get it.

Again, xtnight, thanks for the thread. I learned more reading this than I could have gotten anywhere else.

:thumbsup:

The F-20 may have been a good choice then, since it's a P-MVA. Good luck with whatever you get. Sorry for the mix-up.

Good to hear that you've learned the most here. That's the only reason I stay here, since it's still the best resource around.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I'm up and running on this and I have a few comments and a question:

* Out of the box, my first impression was WOW! The finish is certainly classy and quite a fashion statement (but this ahs nothing to do with IQ).
* My original impression of the IQ was quite high but then I borrowed a Spyder2Pro from work and calibrated it. WOW AGAIN!
* The color and detail after calibration is quite stunning.
* The speakers are horribly inadequate (but I didn't want the monitor for the speakers).

Q: You stated the panel is P-MVA while this site lists it as S-IPS. Is there a way I can clear up this discrepancy?

I'm quite satisfied with my purchase and feel I've bought a quality display at a bargain price.

xtknight, thanks once more for this thread. I would consider it required reading for anyone considering a new LCD monitor.

If you get a purple hue on black at a wide angle then you have an S-IPS. If there's easily noticeable tone shifting on darker images (some elements of an image suddenly become visible) then it's a P-MVA.

Originally posted by: Butaz
Hi xtknight and everybody,

You knew DigitalVersus for the Face to Face, the measered image dely for each LCD too. Now there are full reviews:

22 inch LCD monitors, a review of 2007 models
They were meant to spell the end for 20 and 21 inch screens. And there is good reason. They are bigger and not more expensive (sometimes they are even cheaper). Also, recently some have cumulated advantages in design, reactivity, and colors.

30 inch monitor survey: Apple, Dell and Samsung

A 30 inch LCD is a 76 cm diagonal and has 2560 x 1600 pixels totaling more than 4 million. This is equivalent to the amount of information displayed on five 15 inch LCDs or two 24 inch screens in a dual monitor configuration.

There will be soon the 23 to 28", the 20" and 19".

Thanks for the news, I'll be reading these sometime.

Originally posted by: TVisitor
Are the 30" displays that require a dual DVI feed simply taking 2 DVI cables and hooking them up seperately to the monitor, or does it require something special on the video card (some other strange connector)?

This is something you should really Google, but it's a single dual-link DVI connector. The video card must support dual-link.

Originally posted by: djkilla
BREAKING NEWS!

Lenovo's L220x Monitor the First 22-Inch with a 1920 by 1200 Pixel Count

http://tinyurl.com/yuaswp

Wow, this is pretty neat but I can't imagine what panel it would use. S-IPS I'm guessing.

Originally posted by: ShogoXT
Hello im new to these forums and just got done reading the first page of this thread. I was wondering if you could help me with a new monitor. Im using a CRT still and im not really convinced about LCDs, plus I have the space.

Now the original monitor I had for a LONG time (i think before i got hardcore into learning about computers and becoming a technician) was I found out recently a Radius L-1 (i think, now that i pulled it out of its hole I can see its label). I must say it was great, just pure awesomeness, but since when i originally started to see it slowly die, and couldnt find any info on its brand so I assumed it wasnt a good company (now i know better). I wasnt the one who bought it also, so I wasnt sure of its quality that way too.

Recently I got a rude awakening when I tried to buy a higher quality CRT. First I tried a Viewsonic G90FB-4, which first one had discolor problems. The second one I got had obvious quality inferiority compared to my Radius L-1. I called Viewsonic trying to figure out why my newer and yet still expensive viewsonic looked worse. They said it MUST be broken (even though i tried to tell them it looked apart of the design). Third one was the same, so I thought "maybe Viewsonic is just overhyped". Returning it and got a NEC MultiSync FE992 from newegg. It has higher res, so im closer to keeping it, but.....

My problem is I want to be able to play my games in many res's, without having to worry about "native" resolution. I play different games at different resolutions because my system is a bang for the buck system. So it can play some games at 1600x1200, some at 1280x1024, and some heavy games like oblivion at 1024x768 or so. So I hope you can see where my problems are with LCDs. I didnt want emulated pixels that look like I am running at lower resolutions than i actually am.

The problem with my new monitors? After beholding and now realizing the awesome experience that is Radius with its exact pixels seeing everything and every color exactly as its delivered from the video card, its an eyesore to see zillions of dots on my CRT that arnt actually pixels, but dots in diamond shapes making pixels. So that supposed strait lines are bumpy at close inspection, solid colors show up as almost "chain-mail" looking, and MOST of all since im a gamer my resolutions look like they have a badly done anti-aliasing put on the screen so things arnt as clear.

What is a person like me to do? I need flexible resolutions, I can fit the tube, but the actual screen I cant fit more than 20 MAYBE 21 inches. After beholding the superiority that is Radius for so long, I cant accept a downgrade so easily.

I appreciate any expertise you all can afford, I havent had to worry about monitors for a long time, so i neglected to learn much about monitors when I was heavy learning how other computer systems work. Im not liking LCDs too much, even though its many improvements over the years, but im open to the possibility if it will fit my needs.

I appologize if this is the wrong thread for this, but thank you again.

Your Radius could have been an aperture grille (brand name Trinitron/DiamondTron) which isn't in the shadow mask triad pattern, but I've never heard of the company myself.

What I'd do in your position is just get a video card where I can run all my games at a resolution I'd like, vs. paying more for a monitor with better scaling performance.

Otherwise you're just going to have to live with centered mode or lowering the graphics details to achieve higher FPS.

I don't know enough about video cards anymore but I can't see how a plan like this wouldn't be worthwhile:

8800GTS $299.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150172
+

NEC 90GX2 $219.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002122
-or-
LG L206WTY $239.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824005096&Tpk=l206wty
-or-
Samsung 226BW $279.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...96&Tpk=samsung%2b226bw

Originally posted by: DarkNovaNick
xtknight -- Thanks for all the help. I ended up buying the Samsung 971P from CompUSA.com for $250 after rebate. I think it will work well for my purposes and am looking forward to trying it out. Thanks again!

I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on it.

 

[SuperUnknown42o]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: SuperUnknown42o

Originally posted by: xtknight

The 2007FP may be the best choice for you, but it's hard to know without a budget range.

My budget range is right around $500, but I might be willing to go a bit higher for a superior monitor.

The NEC 20WMGX2 at $400 would be the best choice, actually (if you don't mind glossy/widescreen). Otherwise, I must say the HP LP2065 is a good choice (not as good as the NEC, obviously, but it's great for 20" regular aspect). The reason I don't recommend it right now is because of the panel lottery but you may be more likely to get an S-IPS w/ the LP2065 than the 2007FP. The alternative LP2065 AMVA panel is said to be decent while the 2007FP is more expensive and its PVA panel may not be as good.

Thanks for responding. So I'd be better off with the HP over the Dell? How do the Samsung 204b, and LG 2000C stack up? That NEC looks fantastic I just wish it was a 4:3. Sorry for all the questions, and thanks.

 

[alins]

Confirmed that the Lenovo L220X uses an S-PVA panel (See the comments section):
http://www.slashgear.com/lenov...ustry-first-177437.php

 

[Munky]

I'm looking into getting a new monitor to replace my 17-in CRT. I like the response time and color accuracy of the CRT, but a bigger screen would make the games much more immersive, so I'm looking to get a 24-inch monitor or bigger. I have several uses for the monitor, like gaming, photo editing, and watching movies so I'd like to know which one would be decent for all these things. Also, I'm using an Ati 1900xt video card, and while it plays everything nicely at 1280x960, it know it will have a hard time at 1920x1200, so I'm hesitant to get a high resolution display. I was looking at possibly getting a 32 or 37-inch LCD TV to use as my primary monitor. These displays have the size to make gaming more enjoyable, but without such high resolutions. What are some of the pros and cons of using a LCD TV for a monitor? Anyone with experience want to chime in? How well are these monitors suited for gaming, photo editing and movies? And which are some good models I should look at, preferably under $1000?

 

[ShogoXT]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Your Radius could have been an aperture grille (brand name Trinitron/DiamondTron) which isn't in the shadow mask triad pattern, but I've never heard of the company myself.

What I'd do in your position is just get a video card where I can run all my games at a resolution I'd like, vs. paying more for a monitor with better scaling performance.

Otherwise you're just going to have to live with centered mode or lowering the graphics details to achieve higher FPS.

I don't know enough about video cards anymore but I can't see how a plan like this wouldn't be worthwhile:

8800GTS $299.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150172
+

NEC 90GX2 $219.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002122
-or-
LG L206WTY $239.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824005096&Tpk=l206wty
-or-
Samsung 226BW $279.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...96&Tpk=samsung%2b226bw

Thanks again for the help. No offense though, but im waiting on the 2950's to come out because im not too fond of Nvidia. Thanks for the info on the Diamondtron/Trinitron as I didnt know that was the ones I should have been looking for in the first place. Also I really like variety of resolutions, not just because of my video card (a X1950xt aint bad, good bang for the buck and alot of people still recommend it). I can DEFINATELY fit the tube space, but im not sure about screen space. Bleh widescreen, my friend bugs me everyday on how his widescreen is not working with blah blah game.

Now thanks to your info, I did a quick pricewatch search for diamondtron and trinitron, and wouldnt you know it I find 1 store that has tons of them, and even better is only 2 hours away from me! (im in Cincinnati, and the store is in Columbus). I thank you again for the suggestions, but if possible, id like to try to stick with a CRT as much as possible.

http://www.accurateit.com/home.asp That is the website to the store. Most of them seem to be 21 or 22 inch. So lets say if i had enough viewing space for one of those 21 inch monitors, what would you recommend. Im also relooking at the LCDs, but in light of how close this store is, it seems like a good idea.

Thanks again.

 

[eklock2000]

Anyone have any thoughts on the upcoming 30" Gateway Product, Gateway XHD3000 - 30" Widescreen Extreme HD Display for a gaming display?

Hijacked link from hardforum discussion...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1222863

Gateway XHD3000 Specifications

Resolution: 2560x1600
HD Video Support: 1600P Quad-HD
Video Inputs: Dual-link and Single-link DVI, VGA, HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composite
Device Support: All PC and CE devices
Video Processor: HQV
Brightness: 400 nits
Contrast: 1000:1
Response Time: 6 ms
Remote Control: Universal plus IR Blaster
Audio Support: Fully Integrated
Audio Outputs: Analog, Coaxial and SPDIF
Speakers: 8 Driver High-Performance Sound System (included)
Audio Inputs: One each for DVI, VGA, Component, Composite, S-Video
Retail Price: $1,699

Seems pretty slick.

This is an awesome thread btw, been watchin' it for months.

Thanks,

EK2K

 

[adrianmariano]

I got a Viewsonic VG2030wm without understanding enough about LCDs. It suffers from a dramatic color shift from different viewing angles, which is problematic because sometimes we gather around the screen, or somebody will look at the screen while standing rather than sitting. So I'm looking for a 20" wide screen LCD that has good color and is more stable. (Intended use is watching movies, and still photos, sometimes with a small group of people.) From reading the top of the thread, I figured I wanted something with 8 bit color and either IPS or VA but not TN. I looked through the recommendations above and found actually rather few options listed in the 20" wide screen size that meet those requirements.

Namely there seem to be only two choices listed, the NEC 20WMGX2 and the Acer AL2051W. Now the NEC is listed at $420, but when I went to look for them for sale I found that the price for the NEC seems to be more like $520 at the moment, and I was hoping to get something in the $300-$400 range. The Acer AL2051W appears to be discontinued.

Is there anything else to consider?

I'm not in a huge hurry. Is there likely to be a flood of new stuff coming out for the holidays?

 

[pcmodem]

NEC has some new LCD's out:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/news/article.php/3700301

Anyone know what kind of panel the NEC 24" LCD24WMCX uses?

It claims 178 degree viewing angle.



Cheers.
PCM

 

[alins]

Originally posted by: pcmodem
NEC has some new LCD's out:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/news/article.php/3700301

Anyone know what kind of panel the NEC 24" LCD24WMCX uses?

It claims 178 degree viewing angle.

Cheers.
PCM

See this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2092745

and NEC's official page:
http://www.necdisplay.com/Prod...4c93-8243-938ad36dcea8

The viewing angle quoted (178 degrees) is at contrast ratio > 5. The monitor's user manual refers to a 160 degree viewing angle at CR>10, which means a TN panel.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ShogoXT

Originally posted by: xtknight

Your Radius could have been an aperture grille (brand name Trinitron/DiamondTron) which isn't in the shadow mask triad pattern, but I've never heard of the company myself.

What I'd do in your position is just get a video card where I can run all my games at a resolution I'd like, vs. paying more for a monitor with better scaling performance.

Otherwise you're just going to have to live with centered mode or lowering the graphics details to achieve higher FPS.

I don't know enough about video cards anymore but I can't see how a plan like this wouldn't be worthwhile:

8800GTS $299.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150172
+

NEC 90GX2 $219.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002122
-or-
LG L206WTY $239.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824005096&Tpk=l206wty
-or-
Samsung 226BW $279.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...96&Tpk=samsung%2b226bw

Thanks again for the help. No offense though, but im waiting on the 2950's to come out because im not too fond of Nvidia. Thanks for the info on the Diamondtron/Trinitron as I didnt know that was the ones I should have been looking for in the first place. Also I really like variety of resolutions, not just because of my video card (a X1950xt aint bad, good bang for the buck and alot of people still recommend it). I can DEFINATELY fit the tube space, but im not sure about screen space. Bleh widescreen, my friend bugs me everyday on how his widescreen is not working with blah blah game.

Now thanks to your info, I did a quick pricewatch search for diamondtron and trinitron, and wouldnt you know it I find 1 store that has tons of them, and even better is only 2 hours away from me! (im in Cincinnati, and the store is in Columbus). I thank you again for the suggestions, but if possible, id like to try to stick with a CRT as much as possible.

http://www.accurateit.com/home.asp That is the website to the store. Most of them seem to be 21 or 22 inch. So lets say if i had enough viewing space for one of those 21 inch monitors, what would you recommend. Im also relooking at the LCDs, but in light of how close this store is, it seems like a good idea.

Thanks again.

This is probably no longer relevant to your situation, but ATI cards don't have the scaling options of NVIDIA cards.

Good luck whatever route you go. Always keep the future in mind, too. Maybe you will all of a sudden have your mouth salivating for two 30" LCDs.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: alins
Confirmed that the Lenovo L220X uses an S-PVA panel (See the comments section):
http://www.slashgear.com/lenov...ustry-first-177437.php

Weird. The module isn't listed on Samsung's site yet. Well, wait, actually that's not so weird.

Originally posted by: munky
I'm looking into getting a new monitor to replace my 17-in CRT. I like the response time and color accuracy of the CRT, but a bigger screen would make the games much more immersive, so I'm looking to get a 24-inch monitor or bigger. I have several uses for the monitor, like gaming, photo editing, and watching movies so I'd like to know which one would be decent for all these things. Also, I'm using an Ati 1900xt video card, and while it plays everything nicely at 1280x960, it know it will have a hard time at 1920x1200, so I'm hesitant to get a high resolution display. I was looking at possibly getting a 32 or 37-inch LCD TV to use as my primary monitor. These displays have the size to make gaming more enjoyable, but without such high resolutions. What are some of the pros and cons of using a LCD TV for a monitor? Anyone with experience want to chime in? How well are these monitors suited for gaming, photo editing and movies? And which are some good models I should look at, preferably under $1000?

LCD TVs aren't usually a good choice for a monitor. They can have slower response time and overscan over DVI.

A better solution is the HTPC LCDs I list in the OP like the Westinghouse LVM series. They should have good DVI input (they are actually "monitors") and decent image characteristics. I'm not as sure about their response time though. I wouldn't be using them for gaming personally. They are mainly intended for movies which I assume the response time is fast enough for (they have gotten good reviews).

I think you should look at the BenQ FP241WZ for an all-around good LCD. Mentions of flicker in its reviews are due to its new response time accel tech, which you can switch off if you'd like (and it has 2 or 3 modes besides OFF, I believe). Coming from a CRT, maybe you won't even notice it.

Even in the OFF setting it's as fast as the other 24" LCDs, which are fast themselves. It still uses overdrive aside from the backlight scanning (flickery) tech.

These 24" models (and probably all bigger LCDs) suffer from some input lag so this is something you want to be aware of.

You might want to wait and see what new rev Dell conjures up for the 2407WFP-HC too (there is supposed to be a new rev to fix ghosting, soon). This is something you can count on as all Dell UltraSharp monitors that I know of have had several revisions, up to 3 sometimes. It's a wide gamut LCD, whereas the FP241W is a normal gamut which may be better for photo editing.

If you don't photo edit for professional or matching purposes then a wide gamut should be OK (not worse than a normal gamut TN, probably). It's not bad it's just that the colors will appear more faded on other people's displays than yours since yours naturally is more vibrant due to the backlight. Not a big deal and you can probably get used to this.

There's also the wide gamut Samsung 275T if you want an even bigger screen (note: bigger dot pitch). It has awesome response time but I'm not sure about its input lag. Probably not any worse than the 24" ones. Then there's the wide gamut Planar PX2611W, if you can find it for sale. It retails for $1000 and should have the least input lag with a good response time. It doesn't have any inputs other than DVI or VGA though. I'd think the best option for you is the Samsung 275T if you're coming from a CRT. You'll demand quality and that's what you'll get, I believe. The 275T has awesome black levels and very vibrant colors.

The same can be said for the FP241WZ to a certain extent. It should have OK black levels (not as good as the S-PVA 275T), but it won't have colors as vibrant due to its normal backlight. You'll probably end up turning off the backlight scanning tech so its response time may end up worse than the 275T's great response time.

Hopefully this gives you some food for thought. About the resolution problem, all I can say is that lowering details (especially AA) or getting a faster card is the best solution. Hopefully without AA your games will play decently with good quality. The lower the dot pitch the less the need for AA, though.

A good mid-ground for settings, I think, is 2xMSAA + medium settings + native res.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: SuperUnknown42o

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: SuperUnknown42o

Originally posted by: xtknight

The 2007FP may be the best choice for you, but it's hard to know without a budget range.

My budget range is right around $500, but I might be willing to go a bit higher for a superior monitor.

The NEC 20WMGX2 at $400 would be the best choice, actually (if you don't mind glossy/widescreen). Otherwise, I must say the HP LP2065 is a good choice (not as good as the NEC, obviously, but it's great for 20" regular aspect). The reason I don't recommend it right now is because of the panel lottery but you may be more likely to get an S-IPS w/ the LP2065 than the 2007FP. The alternative LP2065 AMVA panel is said to be decent while the 2007FP is more expensive and its PVA panel may not be as good.

Thanks for responding. So I'd be better off with the HP over the Dell? How do the Samsung 204b, and LG 2000C stack up? That NEC looks fantastic I just wish it was a 4:3. Sorry for all the questions, and thanks.

I say the HP and forget the other models, as the 204B is a TN and the L2000C is no longer an IPS and has banding problems. The HP LP2065 should be great for you.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eklock2000
Anyone have any thoughts on the upcoming 30" Gateway Product, Gateway XHD3000 - 30" Widescreen Extreme HD Display for a gaming display?

Hijacked link from hardforum discussion...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1222863

Gateway XHD3000 Specifications

Resolution: 2560x1600
HD Video Support: 1600P Quad-HD
Video Inputs: Dual-link and Single-link DVI, VGA, HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composite
Device Support: All PC and CE devices
Video Processor: HQV
Brightness: 400 nits
Contrast: 1000:1
Response Time: 6 ms
Remote Control: Universal plus IR Blaster
Audio Support: Fully Integrated
Audio Outputs: Analog, Coaxial and SPDIF
Speakers: 8 Driver High-Performance Sound System (included)
Audio Inputs: One each for DVI, VGA, Component, Composite, S-Video
Retail Price: $1,699

Seems pretty slick.

This is an awesome thread btw, been watchin' it for months.

Thanks,

EK2K

This is like the Dell 3007WFP with some inputs and (I'm assuming) a Samsung S-PVA instead. But nothing amazing, other than HQV which I assume isn't used on the DVI or VGA inputs but only the component/composite/S-Video. Don't expect anything out of this world, but it will be the first 30" display to boast so many inputs. It may not have as good image quality as the 3007WFP since it (I'm assuming) uses an S-PVA, not an S-IPS.

It will still have input lag, probably around 32 ms, 2 frames, or higher (mark my word).

Originally posted by: adrianmariano
I got a Viewsonic VG2030wm without understanding enough about LCDs. It suffers from a dramatic color shift from different viewing angles, which is problematic because sometimes we gather around the screen, or somebody will look at the screen while standing rather than sitting. So I'm looking for a 20" wide screen LCD that has good color and is more stable. (Intended use is watching movies, and still photos, sometimes with a small group of people.) From reading the top of the thread, I figured I wanted something with 8 bit color and either IPS or VA but not TN. I looked through the recommendations above and found actually rather few options listed in the 20" wide screen size that meet those requirements.

Namely there seem to be only two choices listed, the NEC 20WMGX2 and the Acer AL2051W. Now the NEC is listed at $420, but when I went to look for them for sale I found that the price for the NEC seems to be more like $520 at the moment, and I was hoping to get something in the $300-$400 range. The Acer AL2051W appears to be discontinued.

Is there anything else to consider?

I'm not in a huge hurry. Is there likely to be a flood of new stuff coming out for the holidays?

The NEC is $400 (AR) here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...iption=20wmgx2&x=0&y=0

The AL2051W is discontinued, I think, but I don't delist it until all or most stock is gone. That time will come soon.

I can't think of any other IPS/VA 20" widescreens I would want to recommend now. There are some 4:3 ones like the HP LP2065. Not quite as good as the NEC, IMO, because of the NEC's glossy coating. I have used the NEC and the Dell 2007FP which has the LP2065's best panel (also S-IPS).

Things certainly seem to indicate that there will be some new stuff around the holidays (22" 1920x1200 display? what? 30" with component inputs? really?)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: alins

Originally posted by: pcmodem
NEC has some new LCD's out:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/news/article.php/3700301

Anyone know what kind of panel the NEC 24" LCD24WMCX uses?

It claims 178 degree viewing angle.

Cheers.
PCM

See this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2092745

and NEC's official page:
http://www.necdisplay.com/Prod...4c93-8243-938ad36dcea8

The viewing angle quoted (178 degrees) is at contrast ratio > 5. The monitor's user manual refers to a 160 degree viewing angle at CR>10, which means a TN panel.

Maybe they've found a new way to deceive customers but I think it's a mistake. Should be 160/160 on the specs and I'm pretty sure it's a TN (AccuSync is a value line). At least, I think so, but an S-PVA 24" from NEC was supposed to be coming out around this time. The 5 ms makes me think it's a TN without overdrive, too.

I don't have a definitive answer on this yet. The 24" model doesn't even have OptiClear like the 19" or 22". I don't know what they were thinking. The specs do look like Samsung's 24" TN (400 nits, 5 ms).

 

[imported_qwester]

My question is about the Acer Ferrari F20. I cannot say I like its looks, but according to prad.de it has an S-IPS panel.

So how does it compare to other IPS screens, mainly the NEC 20WMGX2 and Dell 2007WFP (with IPS, that's what I have at work )?

Currently my #1 and only choice is the NEC but I am trying to find something that will cost a bit less (than $400). The Acer can be found for $325 and that seems pretty good for an IPS, especially that I don't care much for all the extras that come with the NEC and I am neutral when it comes to glossy filter (the place where this screen will be used doesn't have any light sources that will cause reflection problems)

Otherwise, are there any other decent non-TN options under the $400 mark. I'll go for any of the following sizes 2x17", 2x19", 1x20" or 1x22" ... I just want something that has good color reproduction and doesn't suffer from color shifts whenever I move my head a bit ... I am pretty picky ... and I am not a gamer, so all those fancy "X ms" numbers mean nothing to me.

 

[adrianmariano]

Does anybody know if there's a way to disable the TV tuner on the NEC 20WMGX2? How easy is it to discover and activate this function? I don't want a monitor that can receive TV signals, though I notice it tends to be a common feature.

Is the glossy screen any glossier than a CRT?