This was a long time ago, and I'm still not sure if all units have 1:1 yet or what, to be honest with you. But, the blackout problem is the latest thing and there doesn't seem to be a definite fix for it, or at least not an official fix.
Originally posted by: RobberBaron
Hey xtknight I read something about the BenQ FP241W having an updated being done to its firmware to fix that 1:1 problem. (was looking at your lcdresource site). Could be hearsay, I'll see if I can find something concrete.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: RobberBaron
Hey xtknight I read something about the BenQ FP241W having an updated being done to its firmware to fix that 1:1 problem. (was looking at your lcdresource site). Could be hearsay, I'll see if I can find something concrete.
This was a long time ago, and I'm still not sure if all units have 1:1 yet or what, to be honest with you. But, the blackout problem is the latest thing and there doesn't seem to be a definite fix for it, or at least not an official fix.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Thetech
I'm worried about being able to run most modern games with at least medium quality settings at 1680 x 1050, I usually play games like BF2 at 1280x968 (19 inch CRT)at high settings with 2xAA. I think I might stick with a 19 Inch WS but I'm still concerned about the higher res.
All you can do is look at benchmarks but I don't think 1440x900 will be a problem.
1228800=1280x960
1296000=1440x900
That's only 5.5% bigger.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Trean
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I want a monitor that can be converted into a multimedia hub but at its core remains a monitor for a computer that is used to occasionally play video games ranging from FPS to MMORPGs.
I want a 24" monitor but every 24" monitor I have looked into has some major dilemma.
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All this being said, I haven't actually seen either of these 24" monitors in action or in person. I have only seen one 24" monitor on the shelves of either Best Buy or Circuit City and that was an Acer, I think.
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Unless you need component inputs then I would recommend the HP LP2465. But when you said multimedia hub then that made me think you required the inputs. In that case, the Gateway FHD2400 (glossy TN) could be a possible option but it's a new monitor.
Your best luck for finding out input compatibility w/ the FHD2400 is at the HardForum thread: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1231866
Originally posted by: Trean
Thanks for the tip. In regards to component inputs, I do not believe I would need them. I don't own any console systems and if I did I would probably want to get one that supports 1080p and thus would not hook up through components (to my knowledge they don't support 1080p). For multimedia at the moment I was referring to either a DVD player or a Blu-Ray player. At the moment I only play PC games when I do play games, no consoles. At the moment I watch more movies than I play games, but that can always change with the release of good games and the whole having time to play them factor.
With that in mind would you still recommend looking more towards the HP? Will I notice that much of a difference between a S-IPS panel monitor and an S-PVA (like the HP one you mentioned) for my purposes. Or even the alternate Gateway panel is a TN. Will I notice the lack of viewing angle inherent in the TN panel type when sitting on my chair or couch that would be 4-6ft away from my desk while watching tv (via usb tuner) or a movie?
Originally posted by: Thetech
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Thetech
I'm worried about being able to run most modern games with at least medium quality settings at 1680 x 1050, I usually play games like BF2 at 1280x968 (19 inch CRT)at high settings with 2xAA. I think I might stick with a 19 Inch WS but I'm still concerned about the higher res.
All you can do is look at benchmarks but I don't think 1440x900 will be a problem.
1228800=1280x960
1296000=1440x900
That's only 5.5% bigger.
Cool thanks, I guess I'll go with the Samsung 941 then.
And I'll follow this advice!
"Get a 19" widescreen now and then upgrade to a 24" 8-bit VA w/ slightly wider angles later."
Oh YEAH!
Btw I read that you recommended the Spyder 2 colorimeter to someone else, did you recommend that based on price? Cuz I don't mind spending a little more for something that's better, what would you recommend, or what would anyone recommend? I'd like something I could use with multiple computers, maybe an HDTV/TV? Printer calibration would be a plus Thank you XT! thanks to everyone.
Another thanks xtknight! My head was spinning with all the availible options.
Originally posted by: pepsimax2k
Could someone recommend a good all-round 19", ws or not, for around £110 / $180 ? I'm in the UK so it'd help if it's available here too.
So far I've found the L194WT 19"ws for £110, 5ms 2000:1 300cd/m2 and if it's anything like the 204wt it should be pretty good, but I'm just wondering if there's anything better out there as that range is a year old now. Don't linger too much on the use, if it's better and cheaper then i'll worry about that, hell if it's better and cheaper i don't mind so much about the size either. But preferably it should have vga as well as dvi, and hdcp would help too. Currently it'll be used for office work but will be used for movies/gaming late on, and over a number of pcs too, nothing major in the graphics department but doesn't mean there wont be later on.
Thanks.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Thetech
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Thetech
I'm worried about being able to run most modern games with at least medium quality settings at 1680 x 1050, I usually play games like BF2 at 1280x968 (19 inch CRT)at high settings with 2xAA. I think I might stick with a 19 Inch WS but I'm still concerned about the higher res.
All you can do is look at benchmarks but I don't think 1440x900 will be a problem.
1228800=1280x960
1296000=1440x900
That's only 5.5% bigger.
Cool thanks, I guess I'll go with the Samsung 941 then.
And I'll follow this advice!
"Get a 19" widescreen now and then upgrade to a 24" 8-bit VA w/ slightly wider angles later."
Oh YEAH!
Btw I read that you recommended the Spyder 2 colorimeter to someone else, did you recommend that based on price? Cuz I don't mind spending a little more for something that's better, what would you recommend, or what would anyone recommend? I'd like something I could use with multiple computers, maybe an HDTV/TV? Printer calibration would be a plus Thank you XT! thanks to everyone.
Another thanks xtknight! My head was spinning with all the availible options.
The Spyder2 Express, Spyder2 Pro, Eye One Display 2/i1 Display 2 are all good options for colorimeters.
Um, no idea how you'd do print matching with these though. I think these are screen calibrators only and that you need suites for more advanced features, but I don't know.
I don't think you can calibrate HDTV TVs with this. You may be able to calibrate the PC input of the HDTV but its ATSC/component inputs have different color settings so it would only do you good for the PC.
Originally posted by: xtknight
If you want to give me a link to a store around there you plan on buying from, I can tell you what models sound best. But, the L194WT is actually a good bet.
Keep an eye out for other LG 19" models and Samsung 19" widescreens as well. The Samsung BX series is good too (940BX).
Originally posted by: pepsimax2k
Originally posted by: xtknight
If you want to give me a link to a store around there you plan on buying from, I can tell you what models sound best. But, the L194WT is actually a good bet.
Keep an eye out for other LG 19" models and Samsung 19" widescreens as well. The Samsung BX series is good too (940BX).
Thanks. There wasn't anywhere specific in the UK, though the first of these two are handy cos i can collect from stores (pcworld actually don't seem to show all their stock in the list, searching for l194wt brings it up though), the second two just have a biggish yet cheap range:
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martp...d=-27763&show_all=true
http://www.cclonline.com/produ...ies.asp?category_id=36
http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Computers/cat/Monitors
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/
Originally posted by: Thetech
Awesome thanks, I'll just stick to the basics then.
Happy Holidays.
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I noticed on my latest new LCD that certain shades of darker colours like gray exhibit what I'd describe as shadows or blotches (looks almost like a bar graph in shadows). I only noticed it in certain windows where that colour was, or certain still pictures and video.
Someone told me that it was just part of the 6bit to 8bit conversion with this type of monitor, however I've never seen it before.
I'm wondering if they are right or if the monitor is defective?
Originally posted by: Nnyan
xtknight
Wow that is a great deal on the 245BW. I was actually looking at one of them in the store and it looked great. I should be getting the Spyder Express this Friday unless it gets delayed by Thanksgiving. I'll be re-purchasing all the LCD's I've tried so far with them properly calibrated and see how that changes the equation. I also may try to hit Circuit City and try to nab a 245BW before I head off to work.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I noticed on my latest new LCD that certain shades of darker colours like gray exhibit what I'd describe as shadows or blotches (looks almost like a bar graph in shadows). I only noticed it in certain windows where that colour was, or certain still pictures and video.
Someone told me that it was just part of the 6bit to 8bit conversion with this type of monitor, however I've never seen it before.
I'm wondering if they are right or if the monitor is defective?
It probably is 6-bit->8-bit conversion (FRC/dithering). But, it's probably an old form of it. Many newer LCDs use Hi-FRC which is much harder to detect since it's a better implementation.
I can sympathize with you as my ViewSonic VP930b has the same problem. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. There's always a chance that what you're experiencing is not dithering, but I'd be surprised if it appeared on that many tones that badly. My VP930b has about ten gray tones where it's bad or noticeable but the rest seem fine. When you consider you rarely have a solid color like that it doesn't present much of a problem.
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I noticed on my latest new LCD that certain shades of darker colours like gray exhibit what I'd describe as shadows or blotches (looks almost like a bar graph in shadows). I only noticed it in certain windows where that colour was, or certain still pictures and video.
Someone told me that it was just part of the 6bit to 8bit conversion with this type of monitor, however I've never seen it before.
I'm wondering if they are right or if the monitor is defective?
It probably is 6-bit->8-bit conversion (FRC/dithering). But, it's probably an old form of it. Many newer LCDs use Hi-FRC which is much harder to detect since it's a better implementation.
I can sympathize with you as my ViewSonic VP930b has the same problem. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. There's always a chance that what you're experiencing is not dithering, but I'd be surprised if it appeared on that many tones that badly. My VP930b has about ten gray tones where it's bad or noticeable but the rest seem fine. When you consider you rarely have a solid color like that it doesn't present much of a problem.
I looked at the box and the monitor was manufactured in June 2007, so it isn't the latest production run for the monitor.
I haven't noticed the conversion problem before on other TN models, at least not so noticeable that it showed up in common colours on your Windows applications like IE, Windows Explorer and outlook express.
It was several shades (almost all) of darker colours, like grey, black, navy blue, etc.
I still have time to return the monitor, so I'm OK in that regard. I just wanted to determine if it was just this one, or if all the monitors of this model type are the same and have the problem. I won't exchange for another if it's this model type is what I'm driving at.
I phoned up HP and asked them and they seem to think my monitor is defective, but I wanted to ask around.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I noticed on my latest new LCD that certain shades of darker colours like gray exhibit what I'd describe as shadows or blotches (looks almost like a bar graph in shadows). I only noticed it in certain windows where that colour was, or certain still pictures and video.
Someone told me that it was just part of the 6bit to 8bit conversion with this type of monitor, however I've never seen it before.
I'm wondering if they are right or if the monitor is defective?
It probably is 6-bit->8-bit conversion (FRC/dithering). But, it's probably an old form of it. Many newer LCDs use Hi-FRC which is much harder to detect since it's a better implementation.
I can sympathize with you as my ViewSonic VP930b has the same problem. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. There's always a chance that what you're experiencing is not dithering, but I'd be surprised if it appeared on that many tones that badly. My VP930b has about ten gray tones where it's bad or noticeable but the rest seem fine. When you consider you rarely have a solid color like that it doesn't present much of a problem.
I looked at the box and the monitor was manufactured in June 2007, so it isn't the latest production run for the monitor.
I haven't noticed the conversion problem before on other TN models, at least not so noticeable that it showed up in common colours on your Windows applications like IE, Windows Explorer and outlook express.
It was several shades (almost all) of darker colours, like grey, black, navy blue, etc.
I still have time to return the monitor, so I'm OK in that regard. I just wanted to determine if it was just this one, or if all the monitors of this model type are the same and have the problem. I won't exchange for another if it's this model type is what I'm driving at.
I phoned up HP and asked them and they seem to think my monitor is defective, but I wanted to ask around.
Are you using 32-bit color mode in Windows? Do you see any moving patterns in the shadowy spots? Is this happening with colors brighter than 20% or so? IE toolbar is certainly light enough that it should not be happening noticeably there unless you have some really dark skin.
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I noticed on my latest new LCD that certain shades of darker colours like gray exhibit what I'd describe as shadows or blotches (looks almost like a bar graph in shadows). I only noticed it in certain windows where that colour was, or certain still pictures and video.
Someone told me that it was just part of the 6bit to 8bit conversion with this type of monitor, however I've never seen it before.
I'm wondering if they are right or if the monitor is defective?
It probably is 6-bit->8-bit conversion (FRC/dithering). But, it's probably an old form of it. Many newer LCDs use Hi-FRC which is much harder to detect since it's a better implementation.
I can sympathize with you as my ViewSonic VP930b has the same problem. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. There's always a chance that what you're experiencing is not dithering, but I'd be surprised if it appeared on that many tones that badly. My VP930b has about ten gray tones where it's bad or noticeable but the rest seem fine. When you consider you rarely have a solid color like that it doesn't present much of a problem.
I looked at the box and the monitor was manufactured in June 2007, so it isn't the latest production run for the monitor.
I haven't noticed the conversion problem before on other TN models, at least not so noticeable that it showed up in common colours on your Windows applications like IE, Windows Explorer and outlook express.
It was several shades (almost all) of darker colours, like grey, black, navy blue, etc.
I still have time to return the monitor, so I'm OK in that regard. I just wanted to determine if it was just this one, or if all the monitors of this model type are the same and have the problem. I won't exchange for another if it's this model type is what I'm driving at.
I phoned up HP and asked them and they seem to think my monitor is defective, but I wanted to ask around.
Are you using 32-bit color mode in Windows? Do you see any moving patterns in the shadowy spots? Is this happening with colors brighter than 20% or so? IE toolbar is certainly light enough that it should not be happening noticeably there unless you have some really dark skin.
I'm using 32-bit color mode at 1680x1050. I don't see any moving pattern in the shadows spots.
I don't have anything different than the default colour settings for windows and IE, as well as the default skins. The monitor is turned up quite bright, 90% I believe.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I noticed on my latest new LCD that certain shades of darker colours like gray exhibit what I'd describe as shadows or blotches (looks almost like a bar graph in shadows). I only noticed it in certain windows where that colour was, or certain still pictures and video.
Someone told me that it was just part of the 6bit to 8bit conversion with this type of monitor, however I've never seen it before.
I'm wondering if they are right or if the monitor is defective?
It probably is 6-bit->8-bit conversion (FRC/dithering). But, it's probably an old form of it. Many newer LCDs use Hi-FRC which is much harder to detect since it's a better implementation.
I can sympathize with you as my ViewSonic VP930b has the same problem. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. There's always a chance that what you're experiencing is not dithering, but I'd be surprised if it appeared on that many tones that badly. My VP930b has about ten gray tones where it's bad or noticeable but the rest seem fine. When you consider you rarely have a solid color like that it doesn't present much of a problem.
I looked at the box and the monitor was manufactured in June 2007, so it isn't the latest production run for the monitor.
I haven't noticed the conversion problem before on other TN models, at least not so noticeable that it showed up in common colours on your Windows applications like IE, Windows Explorer and outlook express.
It was several shades (almost all) of darker colours, like grey, black, navy blue, etc.
I still have time to return the monitor, so I'm OK in that regard. I just wanted to determine if it was just this one, or if all the monitors of this model type are the same and have the problem. I won't exchange for another if it's this model type is what I'm driving at.
I phoned up HP and asked them and they seem to think my monitor is defective, but I wanted to ask around.
Are you using 32-bit color mode in Windows? Do you see any moving patterns in the shadowy spots? Is this happening with colors brighter than 20% or so? IE toolbar is certainly light enough that it should not be happening noticeably there unless you have some really dark skin.
I'm using 32-bit color mode at 1680x1050. I don't see any moving pattern in the shadows spots.
I don't have anything different than the default colour settings for windows and IE, as well as the default skins. The monitor is turned up quite bright, 90% I believe.
Well frankly it sounds like your monitor is set at too high of a brightness. Set contrast to 40 and brightness to 40 and see if you see the effects (regardless of whether you like that setting or not).
Another thing is to check a gradient, and see if it shows all tones evenly from 0-255. For instance, is the last whiter part of the gradient just completely white, or burnt looking (some red/green/blue shift at end suddenly)?
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I'll just quickly add, that I have set it away from the default setting and in fact HP walked me through what they figured would fix it, but to no luck. (different colour, brightness and contrast settings)
The only way to make it go away is to set the contrast to something extreme like in the 0-5 range and brightness similarly low.
I'm thinking of just switching to an LG WT, one without overdrive, since I was satisfied with the one I had, except for the overdrive (Q model) and the RTC errors.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I'll just quickly add, that I have set it away from the default setting and in fact HP walked me through what they figured would fix it, but to no luck. (different colour, brightness and contrast settings)
The only way to make it go away is to set the contrast to something extreme like in the 0-5 range and brightness similarly low.
I'm thinking of just switching to an LG WT, one without overdrive, since I was satisfied with the one I had, except for the overdrive (Q model) and the RTC errors.
Ah. What monitor do you have now?
Originally posted by: redlinez33
Well I havent read threw this whole thread (it has gotten quite large), so this question might of been asked.
I am trying to decide between the Samsung 215TW and the NEC 20WMGX2. The main purpose for this monitor is to play games. So glare or anti glare screen doesnt matter to me. The most important things to me are good response time, good black levels (backlight bleeding bothers the hell out of me), and good colors.
So which of these monitors is the better choice. Considering they are pretty much the same price.......
EDIT: Or is there a better monitor for me? Under $500