[Retired] The LCD Thread

[fiyawerx]

After checking out the gateway fhd2400 at compusa, i'm really tempted.. been looking for a 24" gaming lcd around that price range, and between the specs / inputs (And I prefer the glossy look), it seems like a very nice monitor. Anyone actually have one of these yet? I found this review so far - http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,1558,2213483,00.asp, wondering if it will make a nice xmas present to myself, compared to one of the dell's which i've heard have some issues still. (And start to creep out of my price range) Any thoughts?

 

[redlinez33]

Ok just another question, I have the Samsung 971P and you didnt recommend it because of "poor response time control". What does that mean exactly? I see the resposne time got good marks, just curious on what that statement means

 

[DoctorM]

20% cashback from PayPal if you use them for your New Egg purchase (up to $50).
What the hey, it's another $50 off your monitor.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.paypal-promo.com/holiday/terms.html">https://www.paypal-promo.com/holiday/terms.html</a>

Edit:

The promotional funds that Paypal alloted for Newegg has been depleted due to the large amount of traffic today. The promotion has now ended.

Edit2 (NewEgg LivePerson Chat):

Virginia: Hello Dr.M
Dr.M: One of your items (an LCD monitor) 20WMGX2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002319 is listed as "Deactivated". What does that mean? I was hoping to pick it up before the rebate runs out.

Virginia: That means that item will be taken off the website and no longer to be sold at the moment.

Virginia: Do you have any other questions, or is there anything else I can assist you with today?

Dr.M: Darn. Any particular reason?

Virginia: We may not be getting no more shipments from the manufacturer.

Dr.M: Sigh. Ok thanks.

Virginia: Was there anything else I can assist you with today?

Dr.M: Is there anyway to be sure that you will no longer carry this since there is a nice rebate that ends on Friday.

Virginia: Yes, once an item shows up as deactivated we will no longer carry it.
Dr.M: Ok, thank you for your time.

@#$%@#!!!!!
Anyone have any other monitor suggestions for me?!?!?!

 

[redlinez33]

darn, guess I wont be ordering the NEC .. Maybe something new is coming out

 

[ASFink]

I just tried to purchase the NEC 20wmgx2 at the very nice price offered on Newegg's website, especially given the extra $50 discount if paid for via your Paypal account. I was unable to do so, receiving an error message about "quantity limitations". I called customer service who verified that the item was apparently in stock in ample supply. The agent checked further and indicated that they had decided to "no longer" offer this unit for sale and were going to remove it from the website..although it still remains the last time I checked. Oh well...guess it was too good a deal?????

 

[redlinez33]

:frown:


Guess I have to start looking from scratch

 

[Nnyan]

Crap ran into the same problem with Newegg and the NEC.

I did get the 2232BW calibrated with the Spyder2 Express and it does make a big difference. Just by recollection I have to say that I think the 2232BW is a touch better then the 226BW I had (could only get A panels). I'm going to bring back the 226BW and calibrate that to test them side by side.

 

[redlinez33]

Well if i cant get the NEC, then it looks like I am either going to get a TN panel, or a samsung monitor, or keep my current monitor...

The monitors I am currently looking at are.

Samsung SyncMaster 215TW - Worried about its performance in games though, otherwise looks to be an awesome monitor

HP w2207 - Decent reviews? Dont know.....

LG L226WT (Q OR ?).

ViewSonic VX2255wmb (supposely good for games)

Atleast with LG and HP you can find it locally and see it

So confused now..

 

[DoctorM]

I'm starting to eye some of those Viewsonic 21" CRTs still in circulation.

Some NECs are in stock but they aren't selling them?
I wonder what is up with New Egg. (Btw, I noticed earlier some of the 20wmgx2's are on offer as open box).

 

[redlinez33]

CRTs. ewww

for me, after looking at a LCD, i will never go back to a CRT

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: ASFink
I just tried to purchase the NEC 20wmgx2 at the very nice price offered on Newegg's website, especially given the extra $50 discount if paid for via your Paypal account. I was unable to do so, receiving an error message about "quantity limitations". I called customer service who verified that the item was apparently in stock in ample supply. The agent checked further and indicated that they had decided to "no longer" offer this unit for sale and were going to remove it from the website..although it still remains the last time I checked. Oh well...guess it was too good a deal?????

Yeah I see its labeled "Out Of Stock" now. They still get open boxes. I bought a 90GX2 that way and it was fine.

 

[SirMasterboy]

What would you guys currently suggest for a 20" Wide Gaming LCD under 400 bucks.

I do not like a 22 because of lower DPI and its just seems kinda big to me.

I really want the Fastest LCD I can get because hardcore gaming is my priority. Color needs to be good enough for normal use.

I really like the Samsung 206BW but I'm not sure about that lottery. The A seems ok once you calibrate it.

Truth be told when I looked the reviews on newegg its:
5: 1 egg
7: 2 egg
7: 3 egg
24: 4 egg
187: 5 egg

Only 1 or 2 of the reviews were under 5 star because they had an A panel. None of the reviews in the last month or so are under 4 eggs.

The rest of the bad reviews seemed like mostly dumb user problems.

I really wished I could have gotten the NEC 20wmgx2 but they are deactivated.

One question, if i get the open box, do I still get a NEC manufactures warranty at all?

So should I go for the Samsung or are there other 20" low response and more importantly low input lag LCDs for under 400 bucks?

Anything on the horizon if I wait a month or two?

I've just been too spoiled by this Dell 2001FP S-IPS it makes getting a new LCD hard.

 

[DoctorM]

From the New Egg open box return policy:

Should these items prove defective following their purchase, the buyer (not the manufacturer, distributor, or Newegg.com) assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repairs, unless otherwise required by law. These items are not covered by any 30-day satisfaction guarantee.

Sounds to me like you are buying As-Is since there are no refunds on LCDs, no replacement on open box, and no guarantee from the manufacturer.

I've gambled on a New Egg open box mobo a long time ago.
It was damn cheap and I lucked out since it was complete in the box with all parts.
I wouldn't take the chance on a $350 monitor.
I can't imagine who would.

Is anyone else thinking that New Egg got a bigger response to this sale than they expected and are doing damage control?
I'll be curious to see if the monitors are available once again after Friday when the rebate deal ends.

 

[Butterbean]

Yeah you have to check your open box item works within the 15 days they give you. A plus is they give you your money back and don't do the restock fee thing - or they didnt used to anyway.

A problem Newwegg had today was with PayPal. PayPal had an offer of 20% at Newegg. It was meant to go on a few days but it was stopped because it was so popular all the money PayPal had alotted for the special was used up before first day was over. From what I saw in forums A lot of people had trouble ordering today. Hopefully the 20WMGX2 comes back. if not I would def take a chance on an open box if thats only choice I had. I paid 600 for my first one a year ago.


Blog On Egg/PayPal Issues
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums...ShowThread.aspx#211822

 

[rennya]

I have just bought a 226BW, and got the S panel.
Actually I have considered avoiding 226BW altogether and has been evaluating the HP w2207 until I found a forum post from bcchardware.com that taught me how to determine what panel a 226BW uses just from the service info menu.

http://www.bcchardware.com/ind...temid=61&topic=1641.45

Here's the deal that should apply to all 226BW panel numbers.

M-ME22HOCAA-1002 should be a Samsung Panel, because of the location of the "A" in the model number. (x-xxxxxxxAx-xxxx).

Here are other letters and the relevant manufacturers.

* X-xxxxxxxAx-xxxx: Samsung panel.
* X-xxxxxxxLx-xxxx: AU Optronics panel.
* X-xxxxxxxDx-xxxx: CMO panel.
* X-xxxxxxxIx-xxxx: CPT panel.


I believe this to be accurate, and as a result, it looks like you have got a decent Samsung Panel. Are you happy with it, or does it look blue?

In Monday I went around a few computer shops (here in Malaysia we do not have Best Buy or equivalent) and some has 226BW on display. All of them are Made in Malaysia. Bringing up the service panel info predictably did not show what panel it uses, but it still shows the version number. Going around the shopping complex looking at all 226BW in display, and all have the same version number which is M-ME22H0CAA-1002 (the scaler used is not Genesis like many of the screenshots shown online but Mstar). At this time it is patently obvious to me that all shops here get the Samsung from a single source.

Comparing the version number to the quoted post above, it seems that all 226BW here has a S panel, but I do still doubt the validity of that info. I then decided to just get a 226BW so that I can pry open the back cover and see the make of the panel back home. The plan is if I do not get an S-panel, I will just go back and replace it with a w2207 at the penalty of the price difference (here the w2207 is cheaper than 226BW). After returning home with the 226BW, the first thing I do is to open the back cover and voila, a Samsung LTM220MI. This means I do not have to return the LCD anymore.

So, anyone here can confirm that you can divine what panel 226BW has by just looking at the version number inside the service panel? Just want to share the great info I found at the bcchardware forum if that was reliable.

 

[Owls]

^^ consider yourself lucky. I really wish I had the S panel in the 226BW because I would have preferred a 22" over a 24" but since I got the BenQ FP241W I have to say it's much better than the Samsung.

 

[migreen]

Samsung 215tw is now subject to a $100 rebate. Best deal I found is at PC Connection, which is selling it for 429, 329 after MIR. Plus, at least today, free shipping!

http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?Sku=7468423

Mitch

 

[redlinez33]

SOOOO Tempting, I am scared of how it performs in games though.

 

[techgamer]

For anyone debating about the under $450 24"/22" decision. I just got the 245bw samsung from CC with the rebate. I was between this and the higher end 22" monitors like the 226bw, the good hp22" and the cheaper 24" like the soyo and the few on newegg.

Anyway, the 245bw is amazing. I love it so far. Been playing everything on it, COD4, UT3, WiC, SupCom FA. I have an 8800gt and the graphics are better than anything I've ever had.

Cheers

 

[DoctorM]

The 215tw doesn't have delay numbers on this site, but their screenshots of 'best' gaming and text are completely unacceptable to me:
http://www.digitalversus.com/d...&mo2=104&p2=1040&ph=12

 

[redlinez33]

ya, but the WORST RESULTS are about even with the NEC, if not better

 

[migreen]

When I researched the 215tw prior to buying, I found the same as some of you . . . if I were into gaming, it wouldn't be for me. BUT my primary use is photo editing, and the high quality color (including grayscale) is of utmost importance. For those with similar needs, its a major contender!

Mitch

 

[DoctorM]

It looks like if gaming is a requirement (but not the primary one) then the Viewsonic VX2255wmb seems to be the best all around.

That said, there are still places that sell the 20wmgx2, but you'll pay through the nose compared to New Egg (starting at $566): http://computers.pricegrabber....2/sort_type=bottomline

 

[dushan42]

So at the end I gave up on good and went for cheap - 226BW.

I got it from local Circuit City - the display model was 'S' (based on the sticker at the back as well as the service menu) and looked pretty good even with a VGA cable. They let me unpack & test the monitor in the store - I made sure it had no dead pixels and via the service menu I confirmed it's also 'S' (it had no code on the back sticker and they removed the panel info from the menu, so I'm only going by the model number which matches the X-xxxxxxxAx-xxxx pattern). They also matched the Newegg price! I'm really impressed with CC, they went out of their way to accommodate me (though they probably thought I was really weird ).

I'm reasonably happy with the monitor - the only that's obviously worse than my S-IPS dell at work is the viewing angle (which was expected). The backlight bleed along the bottom is there but it's nothing tragic. Response time in games is fantastic, I tested it with TF2 and Crysis and it feels as good as CRT. No lag, no ghosting, amazing colours. Given the low price, I can tolerate the poor stand and craptacular TN viewing angle. Overall the only downside is that I'll have to upgrade my 7600gt as it struggles at x1050...

 

[SirMasterboy]

So whats the bottom line?

What's the best 20" gaming LCD for under 400,
and what's the best 22" gaming LCD for under 400?