[Retired] The LCD Thread

[alexthebored]

Ridiculous. The average price of the Viewsonic VX2435WM in Canada is $720, and practically no stores have it.

 

[Overon]

Thanks for your advice. I just realized that the hp w2207 has a tiny 1 year warranty. While the viewsonic VX2255wmb has a 3 year warranty. Now I'm leaning toward the viewsonic. I saw both of them at circuit city. As usual, instead of making the monitors look their best, they both had vga connectors connected to them via a splitter box. And what's worse is that both of them were not on their native resolution 1610x1080 but some lower resolution display.

 

[noptov52]

I was looking for a monitor a few months ago, but held off to save up a bit more money. I'd say I can spend ~$250 now, perhaps a bit more. I'm still looking for a good gaming monitor first and foremost.

I've been looking at the the LG L1953 TX and LG L206 WTY on Newegg, anyone have opinions on them?

 

[aussiestilgar]

Any news on the new Dell monitors?

SP2008WFP

SP2208WFP

and how do they compare to the 206B/226B S and 2255wmb. (I'm biased toward gaming performance)

 

[StealthX32]

Alright. I bought myself the DoubleSight DS-245W from Overstock.com. Granted, I'm new to LCDs (I've been using a laptop 14" 1400x1050 panel with crap viewing angles for the past 4 years), but I'm enough of an enthusiast to make some remarks.

First off, the OSD sucks. Left means left or down, right means right or up, menu means select, auto means exit. Right. Now that I have that off my chest...thankfully, you don't have to enter the OSD too often since it autodetects the available signal. If you have two inputs, it's a pain in the ass (there's no quick access input button). It also *does* support power save modes, and will go into standby when it receives no signal (which apparently is a big issue with some 22/24" LCDs that just blank to a blue screen and never enter standby).

The S-PVA panel is great. I don't have the tools or software to do a proper review, but lets just say there's little to no motion blur, and it feels "snappy" enough to make me believe there isn't much input lag. Viewing angles are very good, although there is slight color shift if you move your head from side to side. I went through the basic tests on lagom.nl, and color uniformity seems good. The panel does flicker in one of the inversion tests, but I don't notice any flickering in daily usage.

Backlighting is REALLY bright. 500 cd/m^2 is no joke. I'm running 0 brightness on a scale of 0 to 100. Yeah. Zero. Overall it has very good uniformity except on black screens, where there's backlight bleeding at the 4 corners of the screen which I guess is common with all monitors of this size? This unfortunately, happens a lot due if you watch movies due to the 16:10 aspect ratio versus the 16:9 that most movies are released in. Not enough to make me return it though. Some people claimed that the LCD radiates a ton of heat. I didn't experience that, but I'm also running minimum brightness.

Any other questions, feel free to ask.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Overon
Thanks for your advice. I just realized that the hp w2207 has a tiny 1 year warranty. While the viewsonic VX2255wmb has a 3 year warranty. Now I'm leaning toward the viewsonic. I saw both of them at circuit city. As usual, instead of making the monitors look their best, they both had vga connectors connected to them via a splitter box. And what's worse is that both of them were not on their native resolution 1610x1080 but some lower resolution display.

Also, game AA does not really help scaling quality.

 

[Overon]

xtnight, thanks for your help. I did some further research and price searching and I finally went to circuit city and bought a viewsonic vx2255wmb. $329.99 plus 6% sales tax resulted in a price that was about $10 higher than the cheapest place I could find online after a rebate and shipping costs were factored in. $10 bucks is okay to get the monitor right away and if I found some problem with it, I could go back and exchange it for the same model and thus that $10 difference is justified. Circuit city had hp w2207 and hp w2007 and vx2255wmb in stock. The hp w2207 was the same price as the viewsonic vx2255wmb l but the hp's had a 1 year manufacturer warranty on the hp is unacceptable when viewsonic has 3 manufacturer warranty.

Now since I did all this research (research I have been doing on and off on various other sites before I first posted in this thread), I might as well make things as good as they can be. Let me first ask about color space.
This vx2255wmb has the following settings:
sRGB, 9300K, 7500K, 6500K, 5400K and a user controlled adjustment. What should I set? I thought if I used the sRGB it would be good, but in this mode it locks out brightness and contrast adjustment. It sets the brightness to 100% and it's like looking at a bright light constantly. Too damn bright. So I can't use the sRGB preset. I am currently using the 9300K preset because that's supposed to approximate normal day sunlight. However, I can't shake the feeling that I should be using the user controlled color adjustment settings. How do I go about actually configuring those to the right values?

I went to viewsonic's website and downloaded the "driver" for this monitor. I noticed that after installing it, it put in some color management profile after installing this "driver" in the windows color management tab. What exactly does this profile do and should I use it?

Finally I read about gamma all over the web. I read about mathematical formulas etc and things I do not understand very well. All I want to do is set these gamma, brightness, contrast, color space values so that my image looks as good as possible without buying colorometers. How do I accomplish this?

 

[Ursidave]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Ursidave
Thank you for this very informative thread. I am an amateur photographer, just making the switch to digital. My primary use for the monitor will be photo editing, using Photoshop CS3, mostly to prepare digital slide shows, and occasionally some printing. Secondary uses will be video editing, web surfing, and word processing. I am looking at 20" and 21", preferably widescreen for more efficient Photoshop usage. I prefer not to spend more than $700, but might be willing to pay more if necessary to get much higher performance. I have come up with a few models that fit my criteria, but they all seem to have limited availability: Dell 2007WFP, Samsung 215TW, and NEC 20WMGX2. If I have to go 4:3 instead, I might consider the HP LP2065 or Dell 2007FP. Would the NEC LCD2190UXp provide far superior performance compared to the HP and Dell?

To be honest with you, the NEC LCD2190UXp is definitely worth it if you're doing photography.

The 2007WFP/215TW/20WMGX2 continue to have limited availability (or panel lotteries). And the 2007FP and LP2065 have the panel lotteries as well.

I assume the reason you do not recommend the 2007WFP is the panel lottery, but I notice X-Bit favors it, particularly for photo work, and they don't even list the 20WMGX2 in their recent Buyer's Guide. It's tough to choose between the 215TW and 20WMGX2 - some pro reviewers prefer one, some the other. I don't think reflections would be a problem for me on the glossy screen of the 20WMGX2. One thing that put me off the 215TW, when I was researching it more than a year ago, was a problem reported by several users on New Egg, in which a vertical colored line (yellow, red, or blue) appeared permanently on the screen. At that time, I went to look at one in a local store, and saw the same phenomenon on the unit on display - a very noticeable thin blue line from the top to the bottom of the screen. I am surprised I have not found any comments about this defect in my recent research.

I think your biggest problem is finding one of these panels in stock.

The 20WMGX2 is better in most cases because of a tighter gamma curve and more stable viewing angle. But the 215TW is still suitable, certainly. The screen coating really does not have a whole lot to do with its photo editing performance.

215TW color perf.: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ay/20-21inch-3_10.html
20WMGX2 color perf.: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ay/20-21inch-2_15.html

The 20WMGX2 requires little gamma correction, meaning it is accurate by default and it can retain a good number of colors even after calibration. The case is not as good for the 215TW. It will have to lose many color tones before it looks calibrated, and it will end up being not as detailed. In addition, the VA panel means the center plane will lack gray detail and the image may shift at wider angles. Such is not the case with the 20WMGX2.

Assuming I am able to find the models listed above, which one(s) would you recommend for me, in order of preference? As I mentioned, I would prefer widescreen, but image quality is more important. Are there any other models I should consider? Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide.

1. NEC LCD2190UXp
2. NEC 20WMGX2
3. Samsung 215TW
4. HP LP2065
5. Dell 2007WFP
6. Dell 2007FP

The VA panels in the Dells may be 6-bit.

The LCD2190 uses a VA panel but it at least has very good color setup and everything. Plus it was designed with photography in mind.

Thanks for the information. I am leaning toward the LCD2190UXp at this point. Considering that 20-21" is a popular size in monitors, and that the widescreen format is becoming very popular, and that so many people are doing digital photography these days, I find it astonishing and very frustrating that there is not a single LCD monitor currently in production at any price that ideally matches these criteria. All four of the models that previously had these characteristics - VX2025wm, 2007WFP, 20WMGX2, and 215TW - have been, or are in the process of being, discontinued. What are these manufacturers thinking?! So we are forced to go down to 19" or up to 24", or to use 4:3 instead of the more convenient and efficient 16:10 format, or to make a major compromise in image quality with the restricted viewing angles of TN panels.

I considered the 24" size, even though I would find it difficult if not impossible to fit such a monstrosity on my small desk. However, apart from the footprint issue, I have another concern specifically about the NEC LCD2490WUXi. It is my understanding that the panel in that monitor is the same one used in 24" iMacs. I saw an article on THG about the problems with defective displays that some owners of iMacs have been reporting over the past few months, on both the 20" and 24" models. Apple and its resellers have been refusing to acknowledge these problems as defects. It involves gradient color change across the display, and backlight leakage. Have you heard of any problems like this on the 2490WUXi, or do you think it is most likely limited to iMacs? I would hate to spend over $1,000 on a monitor, and then find it has a defect that neither the manufacturer nor the seller will acknowledge.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Overon
xtnight, thanks for your help. I did some further research and price searching and I finally went to circuit city and bought a viewsonic vx2255wmb. $329.99 plus 6% sales tax resulted in a price that was about $10 higher than the cheapest place I could find online after a rebate and shipping costs were factored in. $10 bucks is okay to get the monitor right away and if I found some problem with it, I could go back and exchange it for the same model and thus that $10 difference is justified. Circuit city had hp w2207 and hp w2007 and vx2255wmb in stock. The hp w2207 was the same price as the viewsonic vx2255wmb l but the hp's had a 1 year manufacturer warranty on the hp is unacceptable when viewsonic has 3 manufacturer warranty.

You made a good choice. The VX uses only one panel and it's a high quality one at that.

Now since I did all this research (research I have been doing on and off on various other sites before I first posted in this thread), I might as well make things as good as they can be. Let me first ask about color space.
This vx2255wmb has the following settings:
sRGB, 9300K, 7500K, 6500K, 5400K and a user controlled adjustment. What should I set?

These are color temperature settings.

sRGB is ViewSonic's name for "Native", which eliminates the lookup table and allows maximum bit depth. Every single shade of color is displayed, none are culled due to lookup table restrictions. It does lock out brightness and contrast. I'm not sure why exactly, but some brightness and contrast settings may affect the lookup table. For example, setting 100% brightness and 100% contrast will clip your grayscale so maybe it's just forcing you to decent settings.

I thought if I used the sRGB it would be good, but in this mode it locks out brightness and contrast adjustment. It sets the brightness to 100% and it's like looking at a bright light constantly. Too damn bright. So I can't use the sRGB preset.

I'm with you: I don't like the sRGB setting either on my ViewSonic VP930b. It does the exact same thing. Blinding brightness, burnt grayscale, and it is absolutely pointless as far as I'm concerned.

I am currently using the 9300K preset because that's supposed to approximate normal day sunlight. However, I can't shake the feeling that I should be using the user controlled color adjustment settings. How do I go about actually configuring those to the right values?

9300K is a lot colder than normal daylight, which is defined as about 6500K or 5000K. 6500K is about right for most people.

Keep in mind, on consumer monitors, 6500K can mean anything from 4000K to...10,000K so that isn't necessarily the "right" setting.

I went to viewsonic's website and downloaded the "driver" for this monitor. I noticed that after installing it, it put in some color management profile after installing this "driver" in the windows color management tab. What exactly does this profile do and should I use it?

The driver for monitors contains a couple of things:
- An INF file describing the horizontal and vertical frequency/sync ranges of your monitor. This ensures that it is driven properly by the video card. Sometimes this is needed if the monitor does not follow GTF (General Timing Formula).

- An ICC profile without a lookup table/color correction. This profile simply contains information about your monitor's gamut (72% NTSC=sRGB, ~97%=Adobe, etc) and chromaticity.

Finally I read about gamma all over the web. I read about mathematical formulas etc and things I do not understand very well. All I want to do is set these gamma, brightness, contrast, color space values so that my image looks as good as possible without buying colorometers. How do I accomplish this?

What you want to adjust is gamma compensation.

Gamma is a power function that describes how much power is needed to light a single crystal or phosphor to display a certain color. All monitors have a default setting for gamma compensation (probably around 2.2, standard Windows gamma and close to sRGB).

This default is wrong, and to adjust it you can instead adjust the video card to compensate further. The problem is, this reduces bit depth because certain values may have to be eliminated in order to achieve color accuracy. In other words, you're losing colors but some are becoming more accurate.

It is very difficult to do this without a colorimeter because you need to adjust 16 to 32 points with good accuracy, and plug this into a power equation, in order to come up with a decent "calibration".

You can improve the look of your display by adjusting white until it looks white to your eyes (chances are, this is around 6500K). To adjust white, use USER in your LCD settings and mess with R/G/B. Contrast and R/G/B are related, and when you set both too high, the end of your grayscale will get clipped and you'll lose colors. You'll want to avoid this. You can make sure this doesn't happen by looking at a gradient while you adjust R/G/B or contrast.

Contrast should be adjusting only your white level. Brightness is your black level. This should be zero, unless of course, zero yields too dark of an image. Raise this only when you have exhausted the contrast setting, if you are aiming for maximum contrast (this looks best to most people). When I say "exhaust" the contrast setting, I mean push it until it starts clipping the grayscale. When this happens, you have to raise brightness to get the screen brighter.

When it comes to screen calibration, the worst thing to do is to adjust the "brightness" and "contrast" settings of your video card. This is a bad idea, don't do it! You will lose colors and will probably end up clipping the grayscale. Even "Digital Vibrance" isn't this bad, but you should probably avoid this little gem too. It doesn't clip grays, but it clips colors. Video card brightness and contrast adjustment will do both.

What you should do, after you have adjusted your monitor as much as possible, is to make small adjustments to the gamma curve in your video card settings.

 

[Nnyan]

OK so real life (and work) got in the way of me having time to pickup the monitors. But then again BB ran out of stock on them at my local stores so I was hosed either way. I think in the mean time I'll give the VX2255wmb a spin around the block since the OD store has them in stock, so I'll start out with them.

 

[TMoney468]

@xtknight

Quick question about wide-gamut monitors...I've read conflicting things online but are wide-gamut monitors suited for photo/web & graphic design work? Some of the things that I saw said that having a wide-gamut may actually help with printing photography as it can display a more accurate and wider-range of colors. This is all contingent upon calibrating the screen of course. Is this true?

 

[Mallomar]

Originally posted by: ClockHound
Mallomar, LCD2690WUXi-SV in stock here for $1,359.33 CDN
http://www.tddirect.ca/product...ITORS/LCD2690WUXIBKSV/

Or here for $1,364.53 CDN with free shipping in Canada.
http://www.agileelectronics.ca...rod_id=LCD2690WUXIBKSV

From his post at the TFTcentral forum, xtknight, did not get the SV version. I'm still jealous tho. My new and now obsolete 241W hasn't even arrived and I already have acute pixel envy.

Thanks for the links. I already ordered a 2490 (not my first choice, but it was in stock and I'm supposedly getting it at a good price). But if that falls through, I'll check your 2690 sources.

 

[BillBright]

Wow! Great threat. Thanks to Ed Bott for recommending it.

I too am looking at new LCDs to upgrade my mismatched dual 17" setup (currently a Samsung Sync Master 171P and a ViewSonic VG171 which sits on a 2.5" box) - which takes me to frustration #1. I fail to understand why so many monitors do not come with height adjustment. My chair is adjusted so my feet sit nicely on the floor. I like the height of my monitors so I am not jerking my head up and down to line up the correct focal length in my glasses so I don't irritate the prolapsed disks in my neck. I want a great quality 22" with height adjustment.

Frustration #2. It seems whenever I find a suitable candidate, I discover it has built in speakers! Is there really a big demand for built in speakers? Don't most people have computer speakers? With subwoofers? And maybe even 5.1? What is someone with a dual-monitor (or trips or quad) setup supposed to do? And on top of that, the sound quality of those I have heard competes well with what? A clock radio? Laptop speakers? Woopie!

I want a great quality 22" LCD with height adjustment and NO speakers. Oh yeah, and thin bezels so side-by-side viewing is not hindered by a 6" wide vertical bar. And DVI (or HDMI). 1680 x 1050 on a 22" is easy for my quinquagenarian eyes to see. Budget is $1000US for two monitors, but would prefer to keep it south of $800. Minimal gaming, mostly Internet viewing, MS Office document editing, email, etc.

Comments/suggestions welcomed.

 

[aussiestilgar]

Check this site out Bill,

BeHardware

Viewsonic VX2255wmb is the winner, though it has speakers. If you want superior viewing angles, but slower response times, check the Dell 2007wfp. Its a 20 inch IPS panel.

Anyone found any reviews of Dell's 2008 line?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Mallomar
I've got questions!

Sorry it took so long. I missed your post. :\

Did you get the LCD2690WUXi or the LCD2690WUXi-SV?

I got the regular one. The regular one contains the exact same monitor unit as the SV model. The regular one has a built-in LUT which can be calibrated by supporting software. The SV simply comes bundled with the SVIIKit (which contains SpectraView software and a custom colorimeter). The SpectraView software can be ordered separately for $100 and it supports the generic Eye One Display 2 (which I already have) as well as some other colorimeters. So, I got the regular model, and the SV software only ($100) which came off of NEC's site.

I have my heart set on the SV model, but can't find it in stock anywhere (at least not at an attractive price). And I have spent hours trolling the web, looking for it. I ordered it a couple of weeks ago from one of the resellers on NEC's list, but as of today they still couldn't give me even a tentative delivery date (plus they had dropped the price by $100 on their web page, but I'd still have to pay the previous higher price), so I cancelled the order. I would have been able to live with paying the extra hundred smackers if they had told me the monitor had already shipped and it was too late to cancel, but they had no idea when the order was going to be filled.

I did find one reseller that claims to have the SV model in stock, but the price is a couple of hundred bucks higher. (Even higher than the "street price" shown on the NEC site!)

I suppose I could buy the non-SV model (assuming I could find one in stock) and buy a separate calibration device, but I'd really prefer to get the SV-equipped model. I seem to remember there was some technological advantage (something to do with the LUT?) to getting the built-in SV thang.

Like I said the regular one has the LUT too.

What you can do is get the regular model and order the SVIIKit ($250) from here. You're not really spending more money than just getting the SV model. It's the exact same thing AFAIK.

The SVIIKit contains the software AND the colorimeter.
`Accessories` here: http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Storefront/

One thing I'm a little foggy on -- if you buy the SV model, do you still have to pay extra for software?

No, the SV model contains the SVIIKit.

So, basically (as I understand it):

LCD2690WUXi: regular unit
LCD2690WUXI-SV: regular unit + SVIIKit

SVIIKit ($250): SV software + NEC/i1 Display 2
SV software ($100): win32 software which supports various colorimeters including NEC-branded and standard i1 Display 2. Works by adjusting LUT of several supported monitors thru DDC/CI.

I know for sure that the LCD2690WUXi regular has a built-in LUT as I have calibrated mine several times using my standard i1 Display 2 and the SV software.

It'll be awhile till I post the review of my LCD2690WUXi. I've decided to make it comprehensive and in my typical OCD fashion it will be several pages or so I hope. But that also means it'll only be up when I get around to it. I'll be happy to answer any specific questions though. To be honest I'm still 'learning' this monitor. I thought the black level sucked until I realized I had calibrated it with the wrong gamma.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ursidave
Thanks for the information. I am leaning toward the LCD2190UXp at this point. Considering that 20-21" is a popular size in monitors, and that the widescreen format is becoming very popular, and that so many people are doing digital photography these days, I find it astonishing and very frustrating that there is not a single LCD monitor currently in production at any price that ideally matches these criteria. All four of the models that previously had these characteristics - VX2025wm, 2007WFP, 20WMGX2, and 215TW - have been, or are in the process of being, discontinued. What are these manufacturers thinking?! So we are forced to go down to 19" or up to 24", or to use 4:3 instead of the more convenient and efficient 16:10 format, or to make a major compromise in image quality with the restricted viewing angles of TN panels.

Well imagine my frustration when I have to tell half the people here they need to spend x hundred more dollars to get something decent for photo editing.

I considered the 24" size, even though I would find it difficult if not impossible to fit such a monstrosity on my small desk. However, apart from the footprint issue, I have another concern specifically about the NEC LCD2490WUXi. It is my understanding that the panel in that monitor is the same one used in 24" iMacs. I saw an article on THG about the problems with defective displays that some owners of iMacs have been reporting over the past few months, on both the 20" and 24" models. Apple and its resellers have been refusing to acknowledge these problems as defects. It involves gradient color change across the display, and backlight leakage. Have you heard of any problems like this on the 2490WUXi, or do you think it is most likely limited to iMacs? I would hate to spend over $1,000 on a monitor, and then find it has a defect that neither the manufacturer nor the seller will acknowledge.

To tell you the truth I've heard of more problems with the LCD2690WUXi than the LCD2490WUXi, but that might just be because of the user base.

I have a feeling Apple is using B Grade panels but I don't know for sure.

I can't recall even hearing of any issues with the LCD2490WUXi actually.

The LCD2690WUXi's typical issues are input lag, very faint horizontal lines, and worse-than-normal uniformity. I don't believe the LCD24 has the horizontal lines problem and I think it has better uniformity (perhaps just because it's smaller).

Both of these LCDs have ColorComp though which really does help uniformity problems (algorithmically). After this has been enabled I've only noticed variations of 15 nits at the absolute worst (and generally about 5-10 nits). And it's certainly not very obvious to the eye.

Besides, NEC usually takes their monitors more seriously than other manufacturers. I think you'd have better luck dealing with them than with Apple for example.

 

[Butterbean]

Just in case people are interested in Dell 3008 (I am sorta) a chinese site has pics of it online. Specs they publish on last page has it as a S-IPS and with the anti-glare (moans).

First link is to page 1

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/255/255288.shtml

Says S-IPS on this last page:

http://product.pcpop.com/000074557/Index.html

 

[jzodda]

I just wanted to give a little report as to my experiences on a big LCD for gaming and surfing. I have had the Westinghouse LVM-37w3 now for about 6 months and can say that gaming is a great experience with it. I have not noticed input lag in FPS games and I have played most of the big titles released since summer. I have noticed that its way too bright to surf and I have to lower the backlight to zero for surfing. I raise it to 80 when gaming. I also have to sit at least 30-36 inches away or its no good because I can't see the entire screen at once. I disagree though with the assumption that a monitor like this is only good for a HTPC. I have my Xbox and PC connected to it and use it for gaming and general PC use and have been loving it. I am sure that some big LCDs are terrible for gaming, but not this one. I took a chance on it after reading the huge thread at HardOCP and have not been disappointed. Sure its harder to get these days but the w3 works great for me. I have read bad things about the w1 and w2 for use as a monitor. I have not kept up but I don't think Westinghouse replaced this one with another 37 and that the next good one from them is 42 inches which is too big. 37 inches is as high as I would ever go for PC use because above that you would have to sit too far away.

BTW they still sell this at the Egg, and right now the LVM-37W3SE is $799.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...&Tpk=WESTINGHOUSE%2b37

 

[Ursidave]

There is no SV version of the NEC LCD2190UXp, and that model is not listed as an associated product for the SVII software, so I am not sure whether SVIISoft is usable with the UXp. If it is not, would that be an advantage of the 2190UXi over the UXp, or is SVIISoft only of benefit to an absolute perfectionist who wants to be able to program the LUT? Since my main use will be photo editing, I am concerned about accurate colors, and intend to buy and use a colorimeter to calibrate the monitor periodically (although the factory setup on these is so good, it may be unnecessary). However, I'm not a professional photographer, so I'm not sure whether it would be worth the money to buy SVIISoft. I am unclear as to the benefits of SVIISoft vs. a standard calibration method such as you would do on a monitor that does not have a programmable LUT. I suppose if I decide to get SVII, I'll have to shop around for a high quality colorimeter, and determine whether it would be cheaper to buy SVSoft separately or the SVII kit.

Another thing that confuses me is that the monitor is supposed to be the same in both the SV and regular versions of 2190UXi, but the specs shown on NEC's website are not the same. For the regular 2190UXi, it shows a brightness of 300 nits and a contrast ratio of 1000:1, and for the 2190UXi-SV it shows 250 nits and 500:1.

 

[Trean]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Just in case people are interested in Dell 3008 (I am sorta) a chinese site has pics of it online. Specs they publish on last page has it as a S-IPS and with the anti-glare (moans).

First link is to page 1

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/255/255288.shtml

Says S-IPS on this last page:

http://product.pcpop.com/000074557/Index.html

Damn, if it wasn't going to cost an arm, a leg, and half a brain I would certainly be a lot more interested.

 

[siik]

what do you guys think of this LCD? i've never heard of it. DCLCD DCL22A
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824211010
http://www.dclcd.com/Products/LCD/Specs/spec_dcl22a.htm

22", 2ms, 170*/160* viewing angles, 2000:1 ratio .. for $250 .. decently priced

actually this tigerdirect video makes it look G-O-O-D
http://www.gatasi.com/video/7K...creen-lcd-monitor.html

 

[StealthX32]

Looks like every other 22" out there. There's only one panel manufacturer, and they're all TN panels. Lackluster viewing angles, good response time, standard inputs, no height adjustment. Looks like it has a clean bezel though, which is always a plus.

Beyond that, it's hard to draw real conclusions without a thorough review by a professional. If you're desperate to pickup one ASAP, the Acer one retails at $250 everywhere.

 

[sunnyoc]

Is there any one who wants to sell their NEC 20WMGX2(silver) monitor to upgrade to 22" or 24" monitors? Let me know I might be interested. If this is not the right forum please let me know too(email sunnyoc at gmail.com)

thanks

 

[pixelfreak]

There is a open box Open Box: NEC Display Solutions 20WMGX2 Silver for $349.99 at newegg right now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...319R&Tpk=NEC%2b20WMGX2

 

[Cheex]

I'm now genuinely interested in the Gateway FHD2400.

I found this review at Extreme Tech:
Gateway FHD2400 24-inch LCD Review - Finally, a 24-inch LCD Worth Buying

I can't seem to find any more. Can anyone give me any more links to reviews on this monitor please?

Thanks in advance.