Originally posted by: xtknight
You'll have to be more specific here. What about it makes it less suitable for movies than an ideal monitor, in your view? Are things too vibrant, too much noise, backlight bleeding, ghosting, lack of detail, ... ?
Originally posted by: DoctorM
So I've been on hold for the last hour with Viewsonic tech support.
Here's what's going on:
I had found that the Game Opticolor mode seemed most pleasing to work with. But it revealed an oddity. I don't know whether it's some sort of dynamic brightness gimmick or a problem with my panel but if I use any OptiColor (besides Standard) and two light colored objects are near each other and then suddenly one is replaced by a darker object (in games, web browser, etc.) then the first object appears to lighten.
I find it horribly distracting. Anyway, while waiting I Googled around and found this: http://quickgamma.de/indexen.html (Linux equivalent: http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/monica.html)
A nice way to adjust your panel if you don't want to spend the money on special equipment or software.
Turns out by default my Gamma was a bit high (and the Green the worst). A bit of squinting later and now it looks like the Game mode (but none of that flickering brightness).
Originally posted by: DoctorM
I find it horribly distracting. Anyway, while waiting I Googled around and found this: http://quickgamma.de/indexen.html (Linux equivalent: http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/monica.html)
Originally posted by: DoctorM
Oi. They've outsourced their support from the sound of it. I finally got kicked up to someone without an accent.
It was something like 3 hours on hold and on the phone with these guys.
Anyway, he talked with several others his manager and he said I should return the panel.
Like I said in the edit above I remembered it sounded familiar and reproduced it later on a second PC: Nvidia card instead of ATI, VGA cable instead of DVI and a 19" CRT instead of the VX2435.
I guess it's something in either XP or perhaps that Viewsonic has been doing for years.
I can't make it happen in Standard color profile, but since I'm not going to use the OptiColors now that I've got a nice calibration of my own going I'm not returning this.
I don't want to be a couple weeks w/o a monitor, pay for return shipping, and possibly end up with a panel that does the same thing (and maybe not be so pristine in all other respects).
I told you I see every frickin thing when I look at a monitor.
So if one was to set the monitor to standard color profile and then calibrate it, either automatically or manually, you cannot seemingly reproduce this effect?
Not being able to duplicate the green glitter problem with the VGA (D-SUB) connection does not rule out the monitor as the defective device. Within the monitor there is interface circuitry between the DVI input and the LCD panel that is exclusive to the DVI input. However, your post indicates this to be the first time you have tested the DVI output of your video card. You need to connect the monitor to a different (preferably known good) DVI output video card and let it "cook" for a couple of hours.Originally posted by: Featherock
So XT, I finally got the NEC 2690WUXi. Hooked it up yesterday to my Mac G5. It's beautiful; thanks for help in choosing it. I think it'll help me tear through this photo project in no time.
Small problem. I've got some weird thing going on with the monitor. It looks like somebody sprinkled green glitter over the screen . This is most noticable in dark areas, a sort of flickering of individual pixels. Green only. I called NEC, they trouble-shot it as well as the could over the phone. Like, was the data cord receiving interference from a nearby motor, stuff even a bonehead like me would know enough to check for. My next step, they said, is to hook up different data cables to see if the problem persists. Right now I've got the DVI to DVI cable hooked uo to an ATI Radeon 800 XT video card, Mac edition. I followed the Mac-specific directions in the NEC manual that had me change the monitor settings. That didn't work. I swapped the DVI to DVI data cord out for a mini D-SUB to mini D-SUB cable, and the glittering stopped--but so did my wonderful, sharp digital displa. Apparently, that rules out a problem with the monitor itself.
What do you think? Any ideas what this problem could be? I'm sure it's something simple. I've never hooked up an LCD monitor before and I'm probably not doing it right.
Steve F.
Thermal problems are some of the hardest to troubleshoot. Did you perform this "cook" test with the VGA (D-SUB) input?Originally posted by: Featherock
I don't know what this has to do with this 'green glitter' problem, but if I turn the monitor off for about an hour and turn it back on, the problem is gone temporarily. Then, in less than an hour, the green glitter comes back. What the...?
Originally posted by: farmpuma
Not being able to duplicate the green glitter problem with the VGA (D-SUB) connection does not rule out the monitor as the defective device. Within the monitor there is interface circuitry between the DVI input and the LCD panel that is exclusive to the DVI input. However, your post indicates this to be the first time you have tested the DVI output of your video card. You need to connect the monitor to a different (preferably known good) DVI output video card and let it "cook" for a couple of hours.Originally posted by: Featherock
So XT, I finally got the NEC 2690WUXi. Hooked it up yesterday to my Mac G5. It's beautiful; thanks for help in choosing it. I think it'll help me tear through this photo project in no time.
Small problem. I've got some weird thing going on with the monitor. It looks like somebody sprinkled green glitter over the screen . This is most noticable in dark areas, a sort of flickering of individual pixels. Green only. I called NEC, they trouble-shot it as well as the could over the phone. Like, was the data cord receiving interference from a nearby motor, stuff even a bonehead like me would know enough to check for. My next step, they said, is to hook up different data cables to see if the problem persists. Right now I've got the DVI to DVI cable hooked uo to an ATI Radeon 800 XT video card, Mac edition. I followed the Mac-specific directions in the NEC manual that had me change the monitor settings. That didn't work. I swapped the DVI to DVI data cord out for a mini D-SUB to mini D-SUB cable, and the glittering stopped--but so did my wonderful, sharp digital displa. Apparently, that rules out a problem with the monitor itself.
What do you think? Any ideas what this problem could be? I'm sure it's something simple. I've never hooked up an LCD monitor before and I'm probably not doing it right.
Steve F.
edit #2: After rereading your post I noticed you did not try a different DVI cable. Although given the symptoms it's unlikely a bad cable, this should be your first test and worst case you end up with a spare DVI cable.
Thermal problems are some of the hardest to troubleshoot. Did you perform this "cook" test with the VGA (D-SUB) input?Originally posted by: Featherock
I don't know what this has to do with this 'green glitter' problem, but if I turn the monitor off for about an hour and turn it back on, the problem is gone temporarily. Then, in less than an hour, the green glitter comes back. What the...?
edit: At first blush I suspect the monitor is at fault, but a possible video card problem must be eliminated. If (and probably when) you return the monitor, please include a note indicating the problem takes an hour or two to appear.
Originally posted by: Ronin13
I'm planning on getting the Samsung 971P, but it seems that there's an updated model on the way, the 971P+.
As far as I know, the only difference is the higher contrast, due to Dynamic Contrast Control.
Is this something worth waiting for?
Does monitors with Dynamic Contrast Control normally have an option to turn it off?
Originally posted by: Ghouler
Originally posted by: xtknight
The Gaming section is for a very niche market but one I feel I must still serve. I haven't seen a 22" that really qualifies here besides the Iiyama 22" which is supposed to be really good for gaming, but isn't available in the US.
I wonder why. Is this because they hope people in US get 32" instead as it is *just* $1400?
My 22" costed me about $400, bought it in Bayern, EU though. Excellent value for money even though I feel it lacks ultimate blackness for movies.
Originally posted by: dreydin
my 6th monitor purchase in 3 months and i am NOT returning this one!!! =)
i had to go to 3 stores before i could find a Samsung panel in a HP w2207.. but i found it! and i LOVE it! it was a huge pain getting this thing out of the original packaging and the glossy screen, is well, a bit... glossy(no doubt attributes to its picture quality though). but other than that, i have no regrets! ever since i turned this thing on, ive had nothing but a huge grin on my face! the factory colors are absolutely fantastic and COD4 has played great on it, so far(5ms seems to be very satisfactory for gaming). the base is a bit large, but it is sturdy and makes it super easy to raise, lower and tilt. i havnt used the side USB ports since my iPod dock has 5 of them, but this is def a nice plus if the PC gets a temporary relocation(LAN)! and unlike a lot of the recent monitors ive seen, the HPs power button is on the top of the monitor and NEVER distracts or pulls your attention from the actual display. i really dont know what else to say! this thing pwns my face!
in conclusion: youll get my HP w2207 when you pry it from my cold dead fingers lol >=D
ps. ty xtknight and everyone else who contributed to my decision making process in this thread <3
Originally posted by: the DRIZZLE
I posted this in its own thread but didnt get any responses. Im looking at the Gateway HD2200 because it seems like it can take a 720p image and correctly upscale it and display it with the small black bars to keep the right aspect ratio. The reason I like this feature is that I will be able to use it with my xbox 360 without distortion. Does anyone have any experience with this monitor?
Originally posted by: MonitorSearcher
Originally posted by: xtknight
You'll have to be more specific here. What about it makes it less suitable for movies than an ideal monitor, in your view? Are things too vibrant, too much noise, backlight bleeding, ghosting, lack of detail, ... ?
The black and greys seem a little dodgy, especially if there's a black background and some grey elements on the screen.
Also, I have brightness set to really low and the screen still seems quite bright to me and almost hurts my eyes. I guess that's because I've been staring at the same murky CRT for the past 10 years.
Originally posted by: mckrautski
After about 6 or 7 years on my old samsung LCD I figure I'm due for an upgrade. The two I'm thinking about are a Samsung 275T and an NEC LCD2690WUXi. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find either in a Brick and Mortar store to look at either for myself. So far from what I've read the Samsung has a decent price benefit and perhaps less lag (I'm unsure how sensitive I am to that...probably not very given my last LCD was pretty archaic). The NEC is an IPS panel though.
Has anyone seen both to be able to make a recommendation one way or the other?
I do light video gaming, recreational artwork on it (CorelDraw Suite) and, very rarely, I'll watch a DVD or two on it. Video Card would likely be ATI HD 3870 based.
Originally posted by: DoctorM
So if one was to set the monitor to standard color profile and then calibrate it, either automatically or manually, you cannot seemingly reproduce this effect?
On the vx24 I can't seem to make it do that "thing" if it's set to Standard OptiColor (which is the only setting that still lets you adjust brightness, contrast and RGB levels manually anyway).
The only real benefit to the other OptiColor modes is that they're some quick profiles that may or may not look good to you under different conditions.
I opted to make my color tweaks in my video driver's RGB Gamma which lets me come closer to what should be correct.
What causes it is beyond me, but once I managed to make a different PC and monitor do it I just threw up my hands.
An example: if you have a tabbed browser open it full screen and then open 2 web pages.
One that's really dark (like black with white text or something), and one that's mostly white. Click back and forth between the tabs and you can see the browser title, menu and tool bars, etc. shift brightness (subtly).
Again, the VX24 does NOT do this in standard profile mode.
Originally posted by: Featherock
So XT, I finally got the NEC 2690WUXi. Hooked it up yesterday to my Mac G5. It's beautiful; thanks for help in choosing it. I think it'll help me tear through this photo project in no time.
Small problem. I've got some weird thing going on with the monitor. It looks like somebody sprinkled green glitter over the screen . This is most noticable in dark areas, a sort of flickering of individual pixels. Green only. I called NEC, they trouble-shot it as well as the could over the phone. Like, was the data cord receiving interference from a nearby motor, stuff even a bonehead like me would know enough to check for. My next step, they said, is to hook up different data cables to see if the problem persists. Right now I've got the DVI to DVI cable hooked uo to an ATI Radeon 800 XT video card, Mac edition. I followed the Mac-specific directions in the NEC manual that had me change the monitor settings. That didn't work. I swapped the DVI to DVI data cord out for a mini D-SUB to mini D-SUB cable, and the glittering stopped--but so did my wonderful, sharp digital displa. Apparently, that rules out a problem with the monitor itself.
What do you think? Any ideas what this problem could be? I'm sure it's something simple. I've never hooked up an LCD monitor before and I'm probably not doing it right.
Steve F.
Originally posted by: brencat
Anyone here have the LG-246WP ? Seems like a really nice monitor from what I can tell and P-MVA panel (I think). Is this the best non-TN 24" monitor for gaming (I play shooters mostly)? Also does it have 1:1 and aspect scaling?
Also, google searches have claimed this monitor was selling at Best Buy for ~ $450 around Xmas. Now it's back up to $600 range. I have a 12% BB coupon too so if that $450 sale price ever comes around again soon, I might be able to pick this up for $400 flat.
Comments appreciated.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Featherock
Hi XT, Hi Puma,
>Okay, check it out. I removed the ATI card and replaced it with my old Nvdia GeForce >card, which has a DVI connection. Guess what -- no glittering, no problems at all. So the >problem appears to be with the card. Not the monitor, blessedly, and not the cable. >But I still want to use the ATI card. I'm hoping the problem is with this particular card, >and not, like, the model itself. I googled it and didn't find anyone else having this >problem with a combination of Macs, ATI Radeon cards, and NEC displays. I'm sending >the card back and will get a new one. Here's hoping the new one doesn't give me >problems.
Does it look like this? http://lcdresource.com/gradient_noise.jpg
>Nope, it literally looks like someone has sprinkled green glitter over the display. It's >most noticable in dark areas, but that's because of increased contrast. It's just easier to >see in the dark areas. If you look close at the grays, the same amount of glittering >occurs there, too.
Why don't you see how far it appears here or if it's on certain colors.. http://lcdresource.com/tools/blacktest.htm
>I'm going to run this test anyway, for fun.
You might enable 'reduced DVI blanking interval' on your ATI card and see what happens. Or try installing monitor 'drivers' (really just mode lines for resolutions/refresh rates).
>Jesus, you're asking me to do what? Ha ha, okay, once I figure out how to reduce my >blanking interval, I'll try that, when I get the new card. I'll keep you posted. Meanwhile, >the 2690 is really wonderful. I profiled it with a Spyder Pro and the difference between >the profile and the factory settings were barely noticable. I have to toggle between the >two in System Preferences to actually see the difference. If someone snuck into m office >and changed the profile back to factory settings without my knowing, I probably wouldn't >notice.
Well, I stopped by a local Best Buy on my way home from work and they had an LG-246WP on the shelf. It does have 1:1, but that's it. Menu was not particularly intuitive and menu buttons are in a weird place underneath the frame in lower left corner -- a bit of a PITA.Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: brencat
Anyone here have the LG-246WP ? Seems like a really nice monitor from what I can tell and P-MVA panel (I think). Is this the best non-TN 24" monitor for gaming (I play shooters mostly)? Also does it have 1:1 and aspect scaling?
Also, google searches have claimed this monitor was selling at Best Buy for ~ $450 around Xmas. Now it's back up to $600 range. I have a 12% BB coupon too so if that $450 sale price ever comes around again soon, I might be able to pick this up for $400 flat.
Comments appreciated.
I think it does have 1:1 and aspect scaling but I can't confirm this. The best non-TN 24" for gaming is the ViewSonic VX2435wm, and the HP LP2465 is an alternative option as well which has less video inputs but a more tame design.