[Retired] The LCD Thread

[mushroomx]

I just tried the monitor settings, ill see the ICM now

 

[yacoub]

Any feedback yet on the Dell 2407-HC model with the improved color gamut or whatever?

I doubt they've managed to improve the input lag though, eh?

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=162570

 

[BernardP]

QUOTE:

hey xtknight, i tried your settings, however i can't stand sRGB, if i go to http://www.futureshop.ca/catal...25074&logon=&langid=EN I can't see the shades of grey separating each spec. Right now im using factory settings with brightness down to 45 and contrast down to 30 (but im trying 50 right now), can you tell me what you think about these settings? the only problem is that in games its too dark sometimes but if i turn up the contrast, the sky is too bright that is of course with brightness turned to max first

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Are you using DVI. One of my friends has a L226WT that was connected with analog VGA and had the same problem you describe. Switching to a DVI cable corrected this issue.

 

[imaheadcase]

Originally posted by: yacoub
Any feedback yet on the Dell 2407-HC model with the improved color gamut or whatever?

I doubt they've managed to improve the input lag though, eh?

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=162570

I'll let you know...I ordered one today. $707 with tax.

 

[mushroomx]

Hey BernardP, im using analog, ill try out DVI. Thanks for the input

 

[bryanvlo]

Originally posted by: yacoub
Any feedback yet on the Dell 2407-HC model with the improved color gamut or whatever?

I doubt they've managed to improve the input lag though, eh?

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=162570

Damn... I had my finger on the trigger for this monitor. How bad is the input lag?

 

[imaheadcase]

I have not heard anything bad about it, my brother has "old" 2407 and does not notice it in games or anything.

 

[mamamia]

I was an hour away from ordering NEC's 2690... Then I bumped into this new name:

Anybody heard of or have an opinion of Planar's PX2611W, a new 26" display (from PLANAR, a company that's been in the display business for years now) that uses the same S-IPS panel as NEC 2690, namely LG's LM260WU1, according to Planar's tech guys I talked to this afternoon?

It cost about $1,000.... Hmmmmm..... What should I decide.......

 

[yacoub]

2407 input lag is enough I wouldn't buy it if you play any FPS games, especially competitively. Just imho. I would find it very annoying.
go w/ a S-IPS panel for gaming.

 

[imaheadcase]

Well like I said, my brother has one and does not notice any input lag in BF2, etc. Must be fluke batch some got.

 

[Butterbean]

Anyone ever try using NEC 20WMGX2 for HDTV? I have been lookin for a tuner card to record and I saw the ATI TV WONDER 650 supports HDTV. I've tried Googling info but just get fragmented comments in threads. All the aspect ratio, resolution talk makes my slysdexia kick in. Since HDTV is 16:9 and the NEC is 16:10 does that mean any image would get stretched to fit NEC? Some threads implied such. I don't use the NEC tuner at all. Thanx.

 

[Nullvoid]

"The Spyder2 (even Express) colorimeter's a much better choice, BTW. The Huey actually made things worse in this review: http://www.behardware.com/arti...tion-for-0-to-100.html"

It's pretty scandalous that they can charge upwards of £60 for a device which might actually make your image quality worse...

If I do get one it'll be the spyder2express after reading that article, but I can't manage it within the budget I originally set for myself. I might have to just buy the monitor and pray it works well out of the box, and then take recourse to a calibrator if things turn out bad.

I did find one thing out which makes me happy. The store I'll be buying the monitor from stocks the philips in both silver and black bezels (I've only ever seen a silver model mentioned before). Black for the win

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: mamamia
I was an hour away from ordering NEC's 2690... Then I bumped into this new name:

Anybody heard of or have an opinion of Planar's PX2611W, a new 26" display (from PLANAR, a company that's been in the display business for years now) that uses the same S-IPS panel as NEC 2690, namely LG's LM260WU1, according to Planar's tech guys I talked to this afternoon?

It cost about $1,000.... Hmmmmm..... What should I decide.......

It's not wide gamut, so it's not worth it over the NEC LCD2490WUxi. Chances are, the NEC would be better calibrated by default.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Anyone ever try using NEC 20WMGX2 for HDTV? I have been lookin for a tuner card to record and I saw the ATI TV WONDER 650 supports HDTV. I've tried Googling info but just get fragmented comments in threads. All the aspect ratio, resolution talk makes my slysdexia kick in. Since HDTV is 16:9 and the NEC is 16:10 does that mean any image would get stretched to fit NEC? Some threads implied such. I don't use the NEC tuner at all. Thanx.

Yup I've played 1920x1080 H.264 material on it, and with most media players it just cuts off a slight amount from the top and bottom (leaving it black). That depends on how ATI MMC (Multimedia Center) scales pictures, too. I'm betting it has options. If not I'm sure you could scare up some other DTV tuner software that does.

Originally posted by: Nullvoid
"The Spyder2 (even Express) colorimeter's a much better choice, BTW. The Huey actually made things worse in this review: http://www.behardware.com/arti...tion-for-0-to-100.html"

It's pretty scandalous that they can charge upwards of £60 for a device which might actually make your image quality worse...

Indeed.

 

[bryanvlo]

Originally posted by: yacoub
2407 input lag is enough I wouldn't buy it if you play any FPS games, especially competitively. Just imho. I would find it very annoying.
go w/ a S-IPS panel for gaming.

I thought S-IPS has the worse performace for this sorta thing? Or is that just response time?

 

[Butterbean]

Thank-you xt

 

[BernardP]

LesNumeriques.com finally reviewed the LG l226WTQ. The review is in French:

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-312-2050-35.html

There is a video showing the dismantling of the monitor to find out what the panel is. It is a LG-Philips panel. Highlights of the review are:

--- Fast, 2 ms, but with a bit of trailing RTC artifact
--- Default color is disappointing, DeltaE is 5.3
--- Slight twinkling is videos
--- Color can be corrected to near-perfection with the calibration profile: HERE
--- In all, they rate is as equivalent to the Samsund 226BW with "A" panel, but not as good as the hard-to-find 226BW "S" panel

LG L 226WTQ vs Samsung 226BW - S

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bryanvlo

Originally posted by: yacoub
2407 input lag is enough I wouldn't buy it if you play any FPS games, especially competitively. Just imho. I would find it very annoying.
go w/ a S-IPS panel for gaming.

I thought S-IPS has the worse performace for this sorta thing? Or is that just response time?

S-IPS panels are known to have better response time than PVA/variants. Also, they tend to be paired with DSPs that add less input lag.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BernardP
LesNumeriques.com finally reviewed the LG l226WTQ. The review is in French:

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-312-2050-35.html

There is a video showing the dismantling of the monitor to find out what the panel is. It is a LG-Philips panel. Highlights of the review are:

--- Fast, 2 ms, but with a bit of trailing RTC artifact
--- Default color is disappointing, DeltaE is 5.3
--- Slight twinkling is videos
--- Color can be corrected to near-perfection with the calibration profile: HERE
--- In all, they rate is as equivalent to the Samsund 226BW with "A" panel, but not as good as the hard-to-find 226BW "S" panel

LG L 226WTQ vs Samsung 226BW - S

Hm kinda interesting. But I won't be recommending the 226BW until they start putting out S panels only...

 

[BernardP]

Speaking of calibration profiles...

I would like to know why web sites like LesNumeriques post calibration profiles as ICM files, that requires loading in Windows (Wincolor), instead of simply giving the presets for each value so that the user could enter them directly in the monitor OSD.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BernardP
Speaking of calibration profiles...

I would like to know why web sites like LesNumeriques post calibration profiles as ICM files, that requires loading in Windows (Wincolor), instead of simply giving the presets for each value so that the user could enter them directly in the monitor OSD.

ICM profiles contain much more specific information. They also contain profiling information for programs like Photoshop (the monitor's reachable gamut, its current brightness, color temp, etc.)

They include a gamma table 256x3 bytes wide. Each of the 256 red, green, and blue components has a corrected value. So effectively you have 768 values listed in the table.

Typically you also have adjustments you must make to the monitor to match the ICM file. Ideally you'd have settings for brightness, contrast, DV/movie mode, red, green, blue, and additionally the 768-length gamma table within the ICM.

Also, in this case, this is a secondary gamma table loaded onto the video card. Only very expensive monitors allow uploading of a gamma table to their memory. You only have three knobs for the monitor's gamma table, which are R, G, and B.

 

[BernardP]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: xtknight
ICM profiles contain much more specific information.(...)
Also, in this case, this is a secondary gamma table loaded onto the video card. Only very expensive monitors allow uploading of a gamma table to their memory. You only have three knobs for the monitor's gamma table, which are R, G, and B.</end quote></div>

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Thanks for the thorough explanation xtknight. So I understand that the near-perfect calibrated results we see in reviews are impossible to obtain through OSD settings. Using an ICM profile is necessary. It also explains why reviewers appreciate so much monitors that have acceptable default calibration. Only a small minority of end-users are going to be able to properly calibrate their monitor.

 

[BernardP]

I have found this chinese-language review of the upcoming Samsung 2232GW glossy-screen 22-inch monitor.

For some reason, I am unable to link to the translated page, so if you want to read the english version, you have to manually copy the link in Google Language Tools

Painful reading but we can understand most of it. As the chinese proverb says: "TN TN is"

 

[kreidel]

Does the Dell 2007wfp do 1:1?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: kreidel
Does the Dell 2007wfp do 1:1?

Yes, it does. See "DISPLAY SETTINGS" in the Dell 2007WFP User's Guide: http://support.dell.com/suppor....htm#Using%20the%20OSD