Originally posted by: johnnq1
where do the 2007 s-ips panels stand in the gaming category?
Originally posted by: DangerDave
xtknight, what do you think about the 20' mac monitor?
http://store.apple.com/1-800-M...01B&nclm=AppleDisplays
I'll be using it for alot of games, and also for photoshop. I don't need an industrial grade color correct lcd, I just need one that can do everything pretty well.
I have been looking at some of your recommended lcd's but they are just too ugly for me, this is about the only decent looking monitor around. The whole things aluminum, crazy!
Originally posted by: bryanvlo
BTW did you guys who got your 2407-HC have a DVI monitor come with it? It's not listed in my order so I'm thinking I need to get a cable beforehand.
Originally posted by: alins
Samsung announces 245BW and 226CW widescreen monitors
http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...w-widescreen-monitors/
Originally posted by: Nullvoid
Ah well, I managed to get time to make a trip to a local store to check out some LCD monitors and ended up walking out with a Samsung 931BW. Seeing it side by side with the HP w2207 (which is what I had thought I would be leaving with) I honestly couldn't tell any difference in the quality of their pictures. The samsung they had on display was labelled as an A panel (is the lottery not just limited to 206/226bw's?) but it looked great and they actually had it hooked up via the analogue connector so I somehow doubt they had spent any time calibrating it. One thing that shocked me was just how big the w2207's footprint was. I don't recall seeing it mentioned in any of the reviews I'd seen but it would have ended up taking up just as much space on my desk as my CRT did (one of my main reasons for getting an LCD was to save space).
All in all, I couldn't justify the extra £70 being asked for the w2207, and they scuppered any chance of me buying the w1907 by it only having an analogue connector.
The 931bw I bought is an unlabelled panel (but in that hidden system menu it shows as 'M-MD19W0CLa-1000'). I can't pick out any dead pixels. In terms of backlight bleed there is a centralized band along the top, perhaps a third of the length of the panel, which is quite noticeable when watching a movie at night.
The blacks aren't really all that black I have to say, but the colours seem quite good actually (no noticeable bias towards one in particular). Admittedly I've yet to do any calibrating, but the picture out of the box hasn't disappointed. I've also seen no ghosting at all playing a variety of different games.
Originally posted by: KevinC
Do you guys think it's a good bet that Samsung will be shipping 'S' panels initially for the 226CW? Or would they immediately outsource them again?
xtknight, how od you think the CW would compare to the LG L226WT? Is the L227WT LG's new monitor with the 92% HC?
Originally posted by: BernardP
Something new from HP: w2408, 24-inch, TN, Glossy screen:
Info on HP website
Video of the monitor in action (spanish)
It has VGA, DVI and HDMI connectors, speakers and USB.
Originally posted by: Josh7289
xtknight, are there any affordable monitors out now that have LED backlighting? Thanks.
Originally posted by: bryanvlo
I got it I got it! So what I should I do next? *skips*
Originally posted by: imaheadcase
Ok there are some things I don't understand with this monitor. What is PC Mode and Mac Mode in color settings on OCD? What should it be? The default is Mac Mode
Originally posted by: imaheadcase
Xtknight,
The picture does look like those in that thread, this is my first LCD so i'm not keen on specifics, but it is bright, it is actually easier to read these forums vs my old CRT, not sure if size or just different rez is the culprit. The 3 settings in OSD for Desktop/Multimedia/gaming mode places a big part in this though, no telling what mode they had it set in for those screenshots they did.
Btw the newest beta drivers Enable DVI scaling, it was disabled for a long time in Vista for those interested, they are the 162.22.
Question: In the Nvidia control panel what setting should I use for scaling? These are the options..
Use NVIDIA scaling
Use NVIDIA scaling with fixed-aspect ration
Use my DIsplays's Built-in scaling
No Not scale
Originally posted by: Nullvoid
Well I spun it round and it definitely just had an analogue connector. The UK store at HP's webby seems to confirm that: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc...3-314303-13153556.html
I'm sure I remember reading something about a European tax which only applies when a digital connector is present (it gets counted as a TV or something like that), so maybe that is the culprit.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Josh7289
xtknight, are there any affordable monitors out now that have LED backlighting? Thanks.
In a short answer: no. Your cheapest option is the Samsung XL20 at $2000 USD, sadly. If that's not expensive enough for you then you have some other options like the $6000 reference NEC.
Originally posted by: Aversion
I am tempted by the Dell 2407wfp-hc (I'm getting a new Dell desktop) but does a wide gamut alone make this good for photoediting, it's a TN panel isn't it? (...) I could go up to $800CAN, which is the price of the Dell HC.
I was aware this monitor was coming soon and had seen it on asian web sites. I had seen that it was to have a glossy screen, which seemed like an interesting option from Samsung. This ad page is disapointing as it only talks about the stand and bezel design. Not a word about wider-gamut color or glossy screen. In fact, pictures of the monitor seem to show a standard anti-glare screen. So it seems to be a 226BW in a different wrapping.Originally posted by: FireChicken
I just saw this New 22' samsung monitor 2232GW on samsungs web site. anybody know when this is going to be released??
Originally posted by: BernardP
The 2407WFP-HC is presumably an A-MVA panel from AU Optronics, until proven otherwise. It is definitely NOT a TN panel. High-quality panel in a well-built monitor. As for the price, patience is a virtue with Dell. As a fellow Canadian, I have been watching the price of the 2407 closely, and it has gone all the way down to $649 on a couple of occasions. I think that if you are ready to wait at most a couple of months, you will be able to catch it for not more than that...maybe less considering that the canadian dollar is surging at record highs.
Originally posted by: BernardP
I was aware this monitor was coming soon and had seen it on asian web sites. I had seen that it was to have a glossy screen, which seemed like an interesting option from Samsung. This ad page is disapointing as it only talks about the stand and bezel design. Not a word about wider-gamut color or glossy screen. In fact, pictures of the monitor seem to show a standard anti-glare screen. So it seems to be a 226BW in a different wrapping.Originally posted by: FireChicken
I just saw this New 22' samsung monitor 2232GW on samsungs web site. anybody know when this is going to be released??
Here is a link to a chinese-language review of the 2232GW It can be translated with Google language Tools. The schematics explaining the glossy panel finish is clearly visible.
Could it be that the North American model doesn't have the glossy panel?
Originally posted by: Aversion
I've been watching this thread for a while now as I try to decide what LCD to buy. It's *extremely* useful, everyone should give the first post a read before buying anything!
I wanted to ask if there are no 22"+ monitors that would be good for prosumer photo editing. I see there's the 21" Samsung SyncMaster 215TW listed under the recommendations but nothing larger. Is this because larger LCDs are all TN types?
I am tempted by the Dell 2407wfp-hc (I'm getting a new Dell desktop) but does a wide gamut alone make this good for photoediting, it's a TN panel isn't it?
I know it's too early for full reviews but I don't see the reason for wide gamut is it's not to appeal to designers/photographers. I'm not a pro photographer and most of the work I do is web-based but I'd like a monitor which will help me rather than hinder when it comes to producing work for print.
My laptop has a 1920x1200 res and I'd like an LCD that matches that, just for the sake of synchronicity, and I could go up to $800CAN, which is the price of the Dell HC. However, if a 21" Samsung is going to be the best buy for photo editing I would go with that.
Thanks.
Originally posted by: Aversion
Thanks, I realised it can't be a TN panel after posting by looking at the viewing angles. The price has dropped to $699 right now, I might jump on that. I can't wait very long because I need something to go with my new desktop, I've only been using laptops for the past few years and this will be my first LCD monitor.
I just want to get some indication of whether this is a good choice for photo editing and whether they've fixed the 2407 issues like banding, though it doesn't sound like it from the post above yours. I'm wondering why no monitors over 21" are in the photo editing recommendations in the first post, if there's something fundamental about large LCDs that makes them unsuitable.
Originally posted by: FireChicken
I just saw this New 22' samsung monitor 2232GW on samsungs web site. anybody know when this is going to be released??
Originally posted by: bryanvlo
Well this is my first LCD - I don't really know what to compare it against. Watching some video content, there seems to be more noticeable banding, though I'm not sure if that's just compression becoming a lot more obvious now I have a bigger monitor. I watched downloaded tv shows and anime. Unfortunately have no HD content at all, and haven't found the time to view a DVD yet.
Originally posted by: xtknight
It's hard to say if the wide gamut makes it better for photo editing, but I'd say no, unless you use the Adobe RGB space. The 72% gamut, otherwise known as sRGB, is the color space used in probably 97% of photos and cameras. If you're using Adobe RGB, you'd know it, and I doubt you are. Therefore, a 72% gamut monitor can provide more accuracy for the gamut it does cover. A 92% one would have adjacent tones spaced farther out so it would be unable to provide the accuracy a 72% can for its native 72% space.
Originally posted by: Yikes2000
Let me see if I can change your mind on wide gamut LCD as I have been thinking about it for a while. First, as you pointed out, each color channel's 8-bits are being stretched to cover 92% color space from 72%, which means 5 neighboring colors in 72% gamut will only have 4 values in HC. Can human eyes detect the change? See for yourself:
Red 255 254 253 252 251
The top half of the image contains 5 red patches, 50x50 pixels, of RGB values (255,0,0) through (251,0,0). I can't see the border between them, much less any banding effect on my 8-bit LCD or CRT. I can't even tell which edge (left or right) has (255,0,0). The bottom half of the image contains 4 red patches, with (253,0,0) removed. Again, my eyes don't notice the change. The original 8-bits, which is 256 values, in 72% gamut will have 200 values in 92% gamut, which is plenty. Most human eyes are not capable of detecting the change.
Ok, so what good is 92% gamut when most camera and printers are 72% gamut? Well, the same image will look better on a 92% gamut LCD, even if the original colors are stretched to display in the wider color space. Human eyes perceive color in "relative" terms, i.e. in relation to adjacent colors in the image. Thus the image won't look weird, like false colors. Instead, the green (such as grass or trees) and blue (sky or water) will "pop out" in a good way, by looking more natural and vivid. As wide gamut LCDs become the standard, future cameras and printers will catch up.
Off topice... 6-bit LCDs only have 64 values per color channel. Human eyes *CAN* tell the difference when 256 values (8-bits) are aggregated into 64 values. For photo editing on the HC LCDs, I would set Photoshop to aRGB working space with 16-bits per channel, then save a sRBG copy for sending it elsewhere. Photoshop could also down-convert aRGB images on a non-HC monitor / LCD system as necessary.
Albeit mostly academic, there's a problem with your test image: the conversion to JPEG made a mess of the color values - both the top and bottom actually only have three main shades now, and most of them aren't pure red. There's also the fact that most LCDs have trouble differentiating between color levels at the ends of the scale; it may be a better idea to choose five middle levels.Originally posted by: Yikes2000
Let me see if I can change your mind on wide gamut LCD as I have been thinking about it for a while. First, as you pointed out, each color channel's 8-bits are being stretched to cover 92% color space from 72%, which means 5 neighboring colors in 72% gamut will only have 4 values in HC. Can human eyes detect the change? See for yourself:
Red 255 254 253 252 251
The top half of the image contains 5 red patches, 50x50 pixels, of RGB values (255,0,0) through (251,0,0). I can't see the border between them, much less any banding effect on my 8-bit LCD or CRT. I can't even tell which edge (left or right) has (255,0,0). The bottom half of the image contains 4 red patches, with (253,0,0) removed. Again, my eyes don't notice the change. The original 8-bits, which is 256 values, in 72% gamut will have 200 values in 92% gamut, which is plenty. Most human eyes are not capable of detecting the change.
I don't think anybody disputes the fact that the colors will look more vivid on a 92% gamut display. The problem is that, when you're doing pro image editing, you're interested in seeing the image as closely as possible to how it will look on the other relevant output devices. If the gamut you're working with is so widely different from those of the other devices that will be used to render the image, you're only making things look good for yourself, but not for your viewers (or customers).Ok, so what good is 92% gamut when most camera and printers are 72% gamut? Well, the same image will look better on a 92% gamut LCD, even if the original colors are stretched to display in the wider color space. Human eyes perceive color in "relative" terms, i.e. in relation to adjacent colors in the image. Thus the image won't look weird, like false colors. Instead, the green (such as grass or trees) and blue (sky or water) will "pop out" in a good way, by looking more natural and vivid. As wide gamut LCDs become the standard, future cameras and printers will catch up.