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imported_Cicero

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Originally posted by: xtknight

The AL2416WD actually looks like a good deal but I don't tend to recommend Acer monitors too much. (Except the AL2051W where it's the only one in its class that uses a P-MVA panel any longer.) Their support isn't too good and it lacks a lot of video inputs that other 24" LCDs have. I bet it's missing some scaling options too, and there's just not that much info on it.

The AL2416WBSD is a TN, and so it will exhibit all TN characteristics. I've already seen one 24" TN, the Samsung 245BW, and I didn't like it. The Dell 2407WFP-HC is cheap as it is and it's one of the best screens ever.

xt,

Re the AL2416WD I have one here (just sold it actually via online auction). They have no scaling options at all. The only way I have ever been able adjust it is with Nvidia Forceware software. They are a decent monitor for the price but here in New Zealand the Dell WFP2407-HC now is cheaper. My AL2416 has a bit of blacklight bleeding and has a reddish tint to the overall color but that can be adjusted out. Also compared to my Samsung 215TW the colors aren't as good either as they are rather flattish and lacking in richness.

Re the AL2616WD THG France has a review here

I translated it into english using the google translator, they liked the color after correct calibration but didn't like it for watching videos. Their overall opinion of this LCD was very similiar to BeHardware's which is that it is an average monitor. The article also reviews a Dell WFP2707.

I now have make a choice of what to buy to replace the AL2416WD. My choices are:
  • Dell WFP2407-HC
  • Dell WFP2707
  • Dell WFP3007-HC
  • Samsung 275T
  • Samsung 305T

The AL2616WD is available in NZ but I don't want another Acer. The WFP2707 is very expensive here (almost as much as a WFP3007-HC). The 305T doesn't do HDCP I understand so that isn't an option. At the moment it's between the WFP2407-HC and the 275T. The latter has been getting some good reviews. I use this puter for a bit of imaging(3D) work, SD/HD movies. web surfing etc but am not a gamer. My video card is an eVGA 8800GTS 320mb.

Of the other brands NEC stuff is quite expensive here, LG don't sell 24" stuff in NZ, The Benq 241w is available here but almost $NZ2000!


 

leglez

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Im about to buy my second LCD and am stuck between 2 LCDs. I am on a budget and want a 22" so here are the 2 I have decided on. Which one is better?

The Acer AL2216Wsd

22" Widescreen Active Matrix TFT LCD Display
Resolution 1680 x 1050
Contrast ratio 700:1
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Response time 5ms
Dimensions 22.2"W x 17.7"H x 5.3"D
3 year warranty
Maximum Resolution 1680 x 1050
Image Contrast Ratio 700:1
Image Brightness 300 cd/m2
Input Signal VGA/DVI
Dimensions 22.2"W x 17.7"H x 5.3"D

or the

ViewSonic VX2235WM

I am getting the Viewsonic for $235 shipped and the Acer for $240 shipped
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: QueHuong
Thanks for the quick reply, xtknight. When you calibrated your [glossy] NEC monitor, how does a photograph look on a side-by-side comparison with a non-glossy LCD? Or even CRT?

The only CRT I have here is an HP 15" shadow mask that's at minimum five years old. Probably very poor reference. Also inconvenient to setup. Colors are vibrant on it but details are quite obviously crushed compared to the NEC. The CRT does still have a better black level, but that's about all it has going for it. That does matter in a few cases.

I sent you a PM about the photos (just making sure you're OK with me posting dumpy camera reproductions of them). Great collection BTW.

Both displays were calibrated and were hooked up via one DVI port each.

My testing indicated that the 20WMGX2 surpassed the VP930b for photo quality. The NEC displayed a brighter, more pleasing picture without any crushed blacks or details. It delivered that sort of quality at every angle, something the VP930b couldn't deliver at any angle. Although the VP930b appeared to produce a faithful picture, all you had to do was move your head before the dark details vanished out of your sight. Besides that, its big dot pitch made compression artifacts very ugly when the photo was shown fullscreen, and its dithering certainly didn't help. The ViewSonic had a higher dynamic range, but it was unable to use it to its advantage. The NEC appeared brighter, more balanced, and you didn't feel like you were "missing something" due to technological flaws of the panel (MVA) or electronics (6-bit dither).

How the glossy/matte panel factors into this? It really doesn't, that much. I'm sure it helps the NEC look nicer when you have the right lighting environment. It makes things pop out, but any more than you'd expect. In fact, a DiamondTron CRT would probably be able to make things pop out even more due to much higher dynamic range, and that's a reference quality display. Details and colors popping out isn't a bad thing.

Patterns on the anti-glare panel are more obvious than with the NEC's crystal clear coating. I don't notice this problem as much with certain matte panels, though. The VP930b seems worse in particular.

When you look at the VP930b (matte), it looks like you're looking at a display. When you look at the 20WMGX2, it looks like you're looking at pure, uniform, smooth colors.

Sometimes the NEC is too perfect/sharp and you get gradation. Not too often, though. Twinkling in movies is one thing the NEC has trouble with because it's so accurate. Sometimes you want displays to blur or gloss over imperfections. Of course, if the media was perfect it wouldn't be a problem. You could call the NEC a twinkling star, as I'd still prefer to be looking at it over the VP930b during movies.

The following photos are 5-exposure HDRs (-2.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1.0, 2.0 on this Kodak). Some differences were exaggerated and they don't really represent how the displays reproduce the image in real life in an "absolute" manner (e.g. color saturation is off). But, they are great relative comparisons.

20WMGX2 (AS-IPS, glossy)
VP930b (P-MVA, matte)

Again, pretty much all the difference is in the panel type, not the coating. But you can see my hand reflection a bit on the NEC pic. It was taken in a "dark room" so reflections were somewhat more apparent.

You couldn't really see the darker corners/areas of pics at all with the VP930b unless you moved your head where everything else would also get brighter. So, they were visible in some cases (the monitor was processing them), but due to the structure of the VA panel you would only be able to see them at horizontal angles other than that in the perpendicular plane.

Bricks on the S-IPS were brighter, more visible, and more important. You didn't feel like you were "missing something". The VP930b had this rorschach inkblot (all credits to Zebo for this brilliant term) sort of look in it when you feasted your eyes on the darker elements. The 20WMGX2's image was like Stonewall Jackson. It just never moved, never ever at all. No particular elements got brighter in a nonlinear fashion when you looked in other directions.

Aside from these silly terms I have to think up to describe how they compare in more minor ways, I can say that the NEC's image is more lifelike and pure. I have also seen a matte S-IPS and its purity was also great. It just didn't quite have the clarity, or the visibility of darker tones, for that matter. Both of the LCDs were calibrated (very close to) the same targets so it's understandable that the differences don't really scream at you. You must thoroughly examine the images to understand them. But, that's what photo editors do, right?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: tekaddikt
xtknight, I rambled on in my original post. Thank you for giving as detailed a response as you did. In terms of meeting needs for more specifically targeted resources, maybe you could point to review sites that are targeted to various users, ie, gamers, photographers, etc. I came across this resource which I think is fantastic, don't know if you have seen it (it's a free site, but registration is required for viewing):
http://www.shootsmarter.com/index.html

Haven't seen that actually. Cool link. Looks like it will help with all this sRGB vs aRGB stuff.

They have a detailed look at monitors, with an overview, detailed information about their calibration and testing, and recommendations for several specific monitors. Their testing methodology is very interesting, setting different monitors side by side in a calibrated, controlled-lighting studio, with a blind to hide brands, and having professional photographers compare print results with monitor displays in order to grade the displays' ability for print matching. They also use a 21" trinitron CRT as a reference. Very interesting.

They also point out, as you mention, that labs want sRGB color space for prints, and that many professional portrait/wedding photographers work in an entirely sRGB workflow. They also state that the color space of high-end inkjets (such as the Epson Photo 2200) is no larger than the sRGB space. I have read conflicting information as to whether sRGB or Adobe RGB is a better match for home printers. They lean towards recommending an sRGB workflow for photo printing, and Adobe RGB for graphics/print work as that is the industry standard.

And yes, I'm sure you are correct that most consumer digital cameras are sRGB.

Anyway, you are offering an excellent service and I thank you for all your time/effort. I wasn't meaning to suggest that the site is deficient, I was pretty much thinking out loud as to how to map a decision-making process. Way to much work, and in the end, not very useful because there is so much variation even between similar monitors with the same display technologies. A few updates, as you mention re WG displays, would be as much as anyone could ask.

Ah, miscommunication I guess. But yeah the OP wlil be updated with more wide gamut info.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: sil0nt
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: sil0nt
Which 24" has the best 1080i over component support? It seems like the Dell 2407WFP-HC is a great all around display, but no one really has anything good to say about 1080i over component. I need it for GT4 on my PS2.

I've heard that the Dells have darker component inputs but I don't know about the 2407WFP-HC specifically. Maybe you should look into the BenQ FP241WZ. I thought it had great input support.

You're comment about the BenQ FP241WZ is about input in general, not 1080i over component input specifically, right? According to the folks on hardforum, the BenQ 24" has plenty of problems with 1080i over component.

Input in general, but I wasn't aware the BenQ also had component issues. I thought it had scaling problems and that those were fixed in the Z revision. I do know 1:1 was added (for component? not sure)

Obviously you better consult HardForum for more on this. If you would, let me know what you find out. I did know the Dell also had component issues, at least early on.
 

lowboyee

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Sammy 215TW vs. refurb NEC 20WMGX2?

Photo editing/DTP/coding are my main usages, with movies/gaming coming in secondary. Since I'm in Canada, my prices to my door (factoring in taxes, shipping, etc) are:

215TW - $500 (this includes a retailer-provided zero dead-pixels coverage and express RMA)
20WMGX2 - $500 refurb/$674 new (w zero dead-pixels, RMA, etc)

The refurbs are done by NEC and come with a 1-year mfg warranty, but I can't figure out to what extent I'd be covered. If I had dead-pixel coverage, I think I'd go for the NEC.
 

imported_ajulius

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I was looking at the energy usage of my 19" Hitachi Superscan 753 and realized it was 125 watts of power while LCD monitors give more viewable area and have much lower power consumption. We have the highest electricity rates in the country here and I figured out by buying an LCD I would save alot of money each year in electricity costs so I figure I'll get a new monitor even though this one is still working like a champ IF I can get something which will give a nicer image but be cost efficient.

I have some amazon gift certs to blow as well and amazon has pretty much every monitor on the planet available IMHO so this seems to be a product which would GIVE me money back due to cost savings IF the price was right and I can get image quality that is the same or better than what I have now.

Can someone steer me to which models for 19" would have QUALITY images on par with a Hitachi Superscan 753 which was a highend monitor with a HIGH refresh rate back in the days. (realizing that lcd technology is a different animal altogether). I am VERY picky in image quality.

I notice brands like Samsung have hundreds of different models with different specs in the same size and its really hard to tell which the highest end of the lot is on those which is CURRENT and up to date if one of those would happen to suit my needs.

Looking forward to your replies.






 

Skott

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I just put my new rig together today and so far I'm liking my LG L226WTQBF. Only net surfing so far. No gaming yet. Giving it some burn in time at stock settings just to see if everything is stable or not which so far it is. Not sure If I'll try gaming first or go for OCing first. Anyway so far the L226WTQBF looks fine. I still gotta tweak the LCD to some preferred settings. Just thought I'd give an update.
 

imported_ajulius

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Acer AL2016WBBD 20" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 800:1, WSXGA+ 1680 x 1050, DVI

This appears to be the latest monitor from Acer which is running $169 now, cheaper than the older monitor model which has an 8ms responce time and worse viewing angle ratios.

Does anyone know which panel the AL2016WBBD model is using and if this is a monitor on par with my Hitachi Superscan 753 in image quality or better?

Seems like a pretty good deal IF Acer is using quality components. If not, what other monitors do you suggest?
 

imported_ajulius

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Its really hard to compare monitors these days and I realize there are tradeoffs.

My main use of this computer is regular routine internet usage as well as multimedia and video. I want the best quality picture I can get without breaking the budget with minimal lag but image quality is more important. Im using a Hitachi Superscan 753 now and its a replacement and so Im used to a quality image as I want something on par.

This means either a 19" or 20" LCD regular or widescreen (is widescreen preferred nowadays?)

I have looked at the whole gamut of brands and with models like Samsung and Acer, they seem to have LOADS of different model #s and its really hard to tell what the differences are since a higher price could be because its an older model or actually because its using a better panel and one cant tell.

The LG L206WTY seems to be the latest one on my radar screen due to nice specs but i am still unclear what to get and even tho its LG it could be a TN panel.



 

bobhowell

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I just ordered an HP LP2065 20" monitor on 8/3, then, today, read here, that they now make that model with another panel than the S-IPS. I planned to use it for photo editing with PS CS2. Now I don't know what I am getting. Anyone know if it can be calibrated? Will it work for photo editing?

Thanks,

Bob Howell
 

imaheadcase

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Found something interesting about Dell Monitors and Walmart, turns out you can purchase Dell monitors at walmart with a little sweet talking, when you buy a dell it comes with a 19 inch monitor, but its in a regular dell box in the back, they have there own UPC so you can sell them individually. Just don't do it during the day when electronics manager is there, then just ask for a "dell 19inch tv". Just 19inch monitors though.

Now what is odd is that the monitor ratio is bigger than Dell computers at my store, maybe its just a prelude till they sell monitors outright to public.
 

Butterbean

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For whoever was wondering about glossy and anti-glare display in a comparison - here is a pic someone else took and posted in another forum. When I saw it I knew I wouldn't be getting an anti-glare monitor and wanted the NEC.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img...97/site1052weweyo1.jpg

You get some "hot spots" on glossy if lighting is obstrusive but the so called "anti-glare" just baths the surface is a dull haze.
 

Cerb

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How is the HP L2045W? I'm looking for a nice gaming type LCD, and a WS that can be rotated should give me the best results (when not gaming or watching a movie, height > width).

It looks like a good value, but how is the viewing angle and real response time on it? If the viewing angle isn't good, does it at least darken to black (well, dark gray), not purple?
 

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Originally posted by: adamsleath
i also saw the Sony Vaio notebook which has a 17" 1920x1200 screen ; now that looked bloody good: the dot pitch must be very small - i had to put my eyeball about 1 inch from the screen surface b4 i could make out any pixels.; anyway i was impressed.
There's GOT to be a market for these screens somehow. I would pay a slight premium for my screens to have a high DPI. I'm sure that magazine pre-press work would also prefer a high-DPI screen.

The only downside would be having to purchase higher-end video card hardware to drive such high resolutions.


Btw, how is a Samsung 205BW as far as LCDs go? Is it good for gaming? Movie watching? I have one unopened right now. I'm also thinking of getting either the Benq FP241, or a Westy LVM-37w3, for console gaming, movie watching, and some PC gaming.

 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Crash0
xtknight, have you considered adding the Planar PX2611W for gaming and/or multimedia? Its a 26" H-IPS that uses the same panel as the NEC 2690WUXi and has been getting some good feedback, although it seems to have a few quirks. There is a thread over at Hardforum about it http://www.hardforum.com/showt...d.php?t=1180069&page=2

Thanks for the link.

Yes, it's definitely a candidate for multimedia and office, but it has a wide gamut so it will not be recommended for photo editing but instead desktop publishing. I intend to clarify this issue in the OP a bit too (probably by renaming these sections to reflect what they actually represent).

It's great to see another S-IPS screen on the market.

- Photo editing with a print target would benefit from a wide gamut display.
- Photo editing with a PC target would most likely not since most people use 40-72% NTSC displays.

The LCD2690WUXi will also be recommended for print-target photo/DTP.

The Planar looks like an S-IPS, not an H-IPS. See this photo from HardForum: http://www.toastyx.net/nec-planar-earth.jpg

Left, NEC H-IPS with newer viewing angle film compensation. Right, S-IPS (IPS without the tech).
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: lowboyee
Sammy 215TW vs. refurb NEC 20WMGX2?

Photo editing/DTP/coding are my main usages, with movies/gaming coming in secondary. Since I'm in Canada, my prices to my door (factoring in taxes, shipping, etc) are:

215TW - $500 (this includes a retailer-provided zero dead-pixels coverage and express RMA)
20WMGX2 - $500 refurb/$674 new (w zero dead-pixels, RMA, etc)

The refurbs are done by NEC and come with a 1-year mfg warranty, but I can't figure out to what extent I'd be covered. If I had dead-pixel coverage, I think I'd go for the NEC.

I would get the 20WMGX2. Dead pixels aren't that much of a problem most of the time. Not enough that I'd worry about it, anyway. I could live with maybe 2 dead pixels if the rest of the pixels were something better than you'd get with the 215TW.

Originally posted by: ajulius
I was looking at the energy usage of my 19" Hitachi Superscan 753 and realized it was 125 watts of power while LCD monitors give more viewable area and have much lower power consumption. We have the highest electricity rates in the country here and I figured out by buying an LCD I would save alot of money each year in electricity costs so I figure I'll get a new monitor even though this one is still working like a champ IF I can get something which will give a nicer image but be cost efficient.

I have some amazon gift certs to blow as well and amazon has pretty much every monitor on the planet available IMHO so this seems to be a product which would GIVE me money back due to cost savings IF the price was right and I can get image quality that is the same or better than what I have now.

Can someone steer me to which models for 19" would have QUALITY images on par with a Hitachi Superscan 753 which was a highend monitor with a HIGH refresh rate back in the days. (realizing that lcd technology is a different animal altogether). I am VERY picky in image quality.

I notice brands like Samsung have hundreds of different models with different specs in the same size and its really hard to tell which the highest end of the lot is on those which is CURRENT and up to date if one of those would happen to suit my needs.

Looking forward to your replies.

Sure you want a 19"? If so, your options for high image quality are limited.

Samsung 971P if you don't game (it has some response time issues)
ViewSonic VP930b (decent LCD)
The more expensive NEC MultiSync 19" models (with S-IPS panels)

For 20" standard aspect, the ViewSonic VP2030b is good. The Samsung 204t is also great.

Originally posted by: ajulius
Acer AL2016WBBD 20" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 800:1, WSXGA+ 1680 x 1050, DVI

This appears to be the latest monitor from Acer which is running $169 now, cheaper than the older monitor model which has an 8ms responce time and worse viewing angle ratios.

Does anyone know which panel the AL2016WBBD model is using and if this is a monitor on par with my Hitachi Superscan 753 in image quality or better?

Seems like a pretty good deal IF Acer is using quality components. If not, what other monitors do you suggest?

It's a TN, I would stay away from it if you expect CRT quality. If you're considering widescreens then the NEC 20WMGX2/LCD20WGX2 should be on your list.

Originally posted by: ajulius
Its really hard to compare monitors these days and I realize there are tradeoffs.

My main use of this computer is regular routine internet usage as well as multimedia and video. I want the best quality picture I can get without breaking the budget with minimal lag but image quality is more important. Im using a Hitachi Superscan 753 now and its a replacement and so Im used to a quality image as I want something on par.

This means either a 19" or 20" LCD regular or widescreen (is widescreen preferred nowadays?)

I have looked at the whole gamut of brands and with models like Samsung and Acer, they seem to have LOADS of different model #s and its really hard to tell what the differences are since a higher price could be because its an older model or actually because its using a better panel and one cant tell.

The LG L206WTY seems to be the latest one on my radar screen due to nice specs but i am still unclear what to get and even tho its LG it could be a TN panel.

Yes, the L206WTY also a TN panel. In fact, most of the non-TNs are listed in my guide. The Acer AL2051W would be something to consider (glossy P-MVA) for cheaper than the NEC, but don't expect the same image quality. The NEC 20WMGX2/LCD20WGX2 is your monitor if you want nearest to CRT quality but you'll pay for it.

Originally posted by: bobhowell
I just ordered an HP LP2065 20" monitor on 8/3, then, today, read here, that they now make that model with another panel than the S-IPS. I planned to use it for photo editing with PS CS2. Now I don't know what I am getting. Anyone know if it can be calibrated? Will it work for photo editing?

Thanks,

Bob Howell

It's still possible you got an S-IPS panel. You can check HardForum's LP2065 thread for details on that. I think if you have "AMM" on the box it means AMVA and "GSM" or something else means S-IPS.

It can be calibrated, and actually, if you do in fact have a colorimeter I wouldn't return that LCD. The AMVA panel isn't too bad. The main problem with AMVA panels is their uncalibrated color accuracy but after calibration they can shine. Not as good as an S-IPS but about as good as you're going to get these days...

If you don't have a colorimeter, I would still think twice about returning it. Make sure the replacement that you'd buy is actually better than what you have now.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Cerb
How is the HP L2045W? I'm looking for a nice gaming type LCD, and a WS that can be rotated should give me the best results (when not gaming or watching a movie, height > width).

It looks like a good value, but how is the viewing angle and real response time on it? If the viewing angle isn't good, does it at least darken to black (well, dark gray), not purple?

The HP L2045W doesn't look too bad. But, I have no idea about its real performance since I haven't seen any official reviews of it. I wouldn't be too worried about its gaming performance, personally. After all, it includes a TN panel (fast).

Viewing angle won't turn to black. It will get lighter horizontally and in the up direction. When you look at it from below it will totally invert.

Have you considered the glossy HP w2207 that has rotation (pivot) support?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: adamsleath
i also saw the Sony Vaio notebook which has a 17" 1920x1200 screen ; now that looked bloody good: the dot pitch must be very small - i had to put my eyeball about 1 inch from the screen surface b4 i could make out any pixels.; anyway i was impressed.
There's GOT to be a market for these screens somehow. I would pay a slight premium for my screens to have a high DPI. I'm sure that magazine pre-press work would also prefer a high-DPI screen.

The only downside would be having to purchase higher-end video card hardware to drive such high resolutions.


Btw, how is a Samsung 205BW as far as LCDs go? Is it good for gaming? Movie watching? I have one unopened right now. I'm also thinking of getting either the Benq FP241, or a Westy LVM-37w3, for console gaming, movie watching, and some PC gaming.

The 205BW is on my recommendations list for multimedia. For gaming it's probably 70th percentile, 100 being fastest.

I wouldn't use a 37" screen for PC gaming personally (at least not for FPS games). I'd be afraid of big screens having input lag. But, it's probably okay/fair for RTS/RPG.

The FP241WZ would be the best choice of the bigger screens.
 

imported_ajulius

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I guess I'll stick to this CRT even with the higher power draw for now since I do NOT want to spring for the cost of the NEC at this time and as you said that seems to be the only one which comes close to CRT quality.

I wonder what the future will hold for LCD panels or other newer technologies. I am really in no rush to buy right now.

 

yehuda

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Hi xtknight and everyone,

I'm debating between Samsung 971P and ViewSonic VP930 for a general purpose monitor. It will be used for text and DVD playback but not gaming. I hear the 971P is better at image quality and black depth whereas the VP930 is better at response times. I'm going to visit someone who already bought a 971P and do some tests in person to try to gauge if it would still be good for me despite the high response times. Aside from playing some DVDs, is there some specific test I can run to better assess the issue, like a specific downloadable video or software that simulates fast paced patterns?
 

woolf

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After spending several hours unsuccesfully trying to track down a Samsung 226W with a S panel in my city, I've at last given up. But I still need a new monitor!

I was thinking of getting the 20WMGX2 as it sounds excellent, but it's a bit on the expensive side for me.

Does anybody know of a 20" and above widescreen that can compete with the Samsung 226W with a S panel both for price and general use, gaming and movies? I've got max 400$ to spend on it, but preferably somewhat less!
 

wongste

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I picked up the LG L246W on Friday from Best Buy. Here's a mini-review - more like first impressions of the monitor so far. I plan to use the screen mainly for photo-editing and some web-surfing.

First thing I noticed after powering the monitor up is a disappointing blur to the text. It is very apparent after being used to razor sharp text on my two laptop LCDs (Dell and IBM), as well as my Dell E196FP (TN film). No, I don't have anti-aliasing/Cleartext turned on. The effect is like the color of the text is bleeding into adjacent pixels. The blurriness seems to improve as the monitor warms up, but going back and forth with my other LCD screens tells me that it's still there.

I wonder if the MVA panel inherently suffer from more blurriness compared to TN panels, or is it just the L246, or just my unit?

Out of the box, the brightness is set very high. I was intrigued to find an sRGB setting, in addition to 6500K and 9300K. I toggled between sRGB and 6500K but I'm hard pressed to find much difference between the two. Since photo-editing is my primary application, I thought I'd trust that LG know what they're doing and pick sRGB.

After setting it to sRGB for my whitepoint, and calibrating gamma to 2.2 - visually using QuickGamma and Norman Koren's charts - color accuracy appears pretty good. However, I had to set brightness to 0 in order to do that. Comparing several digital prints with their originals show that in some cases the monitor still appears too bright, but the accuracy is close enough that it probably won't bother me.

Black crush exists, but I think is pretty good for an LCD. Levels are indistinguishable to my eye from 0,0,0 to about 3,3,3. I can start to see a difference at 4,4,4. Also, I notice that straight on perpendicular to the screen, contrast or brightness is lower than at say a 30-45 degree angle - I found that to be rather interesting. However, in general, viewing angles are very good - compared to TN panels. As I'd mentioned, there is a slight brightness/contrast shift between dead-on and at a slight angle, but that's my only quibble.

However, at 0 brightness, the monitor is too dark for web-surfing or general use. The diminished contrast of black text on light background is hard on the eyes.

Backlight bleeding is not too bad but I don't have a colorimeter to measure its level. My panel came with 1 stuck pixel that I could see. I haven't really looked hard for them.

I am still debating whether to keep this monitor or return it. I picked the LG over the two other candidates at this price point (Dell 2407 and BenQ FP241) mainly because it is available at a brick and mortar store and I can easily return it. I was also unsure if the wide gamut colorspace of the Dell can be calibrated to work well with sRGB images.

I would be interested to learn from owners if they have any blurriness issues with the Dell or BenQ.
 
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