Since I'm disinclined to read 45 pages, about how long is it expected before you can get a decent 24" for $300? At that point, I buy. Until then, 24" CRT will continue to live on with its goddamn whiny noise.
Originally posted by: Arekh
Originally posted by: xtknight
I would recommend the Acer AL2051W (glossy), the LG L204WT second, and the Samsung 205BW third. The Acer is only $200 at Newegg and it's actually the best choice of those three for most people.
Ooooh, The Acer one does look nice. Guess I'm jumping on that one.
Thanks a lot! :thumbsup:
EDIT: Just a quicky Question. How's the AL2223WD compared to the AL2051W? It's 22" and still under my $250 range. Just wondering if it's worth it considering newegg's specs also list it has less viewing angle and colors but a faster response. Is it worth giving those up for the size increase?
Originally posted by: Aversion
I'm awaiting a 2407wfp hc but I'm also looking for an office monitor for a friend. This thread is such a goldmine of information I thought I'd come back for more
He has two 19" CRTs at the moment and I think one 22" LCD would make a fine replacement and let us streamline our office space. It will be used mainly for text work.
There's a place locally selling the LG L226wtx-bn ($290cdn) and Samsung 226BW ($340cdn), both of which I've heard a lot about here but remain a bit confused what with all the different versions of the LG and the panel lottery with the Samsung. The LG seems to have better features, particularly in contrast. I'm not concerned about the Samsung's panel lottery given the available profiles for the A and C panels but is it worth the extra $50? The LG looks the better buy on paper, is there's anything I'm missing between the two monitors that would explain the price difference, is one of them 6bit?
Thanks.
Originally posted by: VanillaH
Yet another contender here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2085928&enterthread=y
between the Dell and the NEC, the choice was clear for me: I once made a mistake of going for 19'' shadowmask over 17'' trinitron and mourned and regretted about it for years to come. To me, quality >>> size as I dont do much of FPS gaming these at all. Even then, at this price it really makes me ponder. ($299 vs $400/$569)
Now, I never seen any of these monitors and not sure if I would really be that unhappy with TN panels. My primary use would be watching anime (fairly static ones) and visual novels, so near or complete static color quality is the foremost concern. So is IPS/PVA vs TN difference only noticeable to professionals? I consider myself quite sensitivel, having kept my CRT for so long due to dissatisfaction with most LCD units I came across.
It is not like I really need that extra 4''; rather, tis more of $100 less damage to my wallet. Lately my overall expenditure rose sharply stuff after moving to my new place, which got me real concerned.
Originally posted by: crowley
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: crowley
Thank you, xtknight and all the others, for this excellent thread! Very informative.
I'm now joining the "which monitor to buy" dilemma, after my 17" CRT died.
I use my computer mainly for office programs, web surfing, and photo editing (in that order), but I would also like to watch movies so I need good viewing angles. So after reading this thread I automatically eliminated all TN monitors, correct me if I'm wrong.
So by sticking with S-IPS and S-PVA, and reasonable price (for my country), I am limited to the following monitors:
NEC 20WGX2 (not pro?): 735$
Dell 2007FP (S-IPS according to the store): 535$
Dell 2007WFP (S-IPS according to the store): 507$
Dell 2407WFP (not HC. Should I wait for the HC model?): 911$
NEC 2070NX: 678$
Yes, these are insane prices when comparing with most other countries, but that's what I have to live with. Initially I was willing to spend 500$ on a 22" TN monitor, but after ruling out all TN I am willing to spend 200$ more for a good alternative (even if it's 20", although I would really really like a 22"). If the 2407WFP is by far the best of the bunch for my uses, then I will probably stretch my budget and buy it, although 24" is a bit too large for me.
So what are your suggestions?
I believe the NEC 20WGX2 (non Pro, or Pro) is great for your purposes. It has a glossy panel, wide viewing angles, awesome color.
If I can guarantee that the Dell 2007WFP will have S-IPS, which is the same panel (LG.Philips LM201W01) as the NEC 20WGX2, will there still be a reason to prefer the NEC, except for the glossy panel? Do the monitors perform differently if the panels are the same, and are there known problems with the S-IPS 2007WFP?
Thanks!
Originally posted by: VanillaH
Now with more choices from Acer (24'' for $317AR) and Samsung (22'' for $173)
To go S-IPS or not, that is the question.
I doubt I would be able to play around too much with monitors on display at retail stores. Could be kinda hard to judge just by what basic desktop looks like.
Oh well, I am still partial to the NEC, at least I know I would be getting the best IQ attainable with LCDs within a reasonable price range. Yet some claim after 24'' you cant go back. What are they really using these monitors for? Most of the stuff I watch nowadays come in either 1280x760 or 704x396 with a rare mix of 1024x576 or 640x480. With source material limited at these resolutions, I wonder if 24'' is a good thing to have (especially when I am the sole user sitting at the desk close from the screen).
crowley, I believe glossy vs non-glossy still matters.
Originally posted by: gsellis
OK, I am narrowing it down to three (well two, with a slight maybe). My Iiyama VisionMaster 450p died and I need to replace it (this Dell CRT that came with the kid's computers is bad for color.) I HD video edit, so I was hoping for better gamut. BUT, we are paying for a college kid (see what mom and dad have to do while you are at school...), so the budget does not exist.
It is down to the NEC 20WGX2 (MIR 100 for $400 final price eventually), the Acer AL2051W, and the Dell 2407WFP HC. The Dell is last as it is ~$600. I can swing the 20WGX2, but the price hurts at the moment. Is it that much better than the 2051? I will occasionally game on it through my ATI 1950Pro. And I want to spent the least for the most as I have to pay for some music and production costs on stuff I am working on.
Yep, I spent $575 on my CRT (retail was higher, know the rep.) But I was single then and that monitor lasted more than 6 years! If it could have just held on a little longer... The challenges of doing pro work on a No/Lo budget
Originally posted by: benplaut
Since I'm disinclined to read 45 pages, about how long is it expected before you can get a decent 24" for $300? At that point, I buy. Until then, 24" CRT will continue to live on with its goddamn whiny noise.
Originally posted by: HappyProzak
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums and I stumbled across this thread while doing a google search. Anyways, I read through a few pages but the thread is massive and I'm really hoping someone here can help me.
Basically, I'm looking for a monitor strictly for console gaming. Currently I'm looking at a Samsung 23" HDTV that is 720p, but I'm also looking at 24' LCD monitors because I don't need a tv tuner as this will be strictly for console gaming.
Anyways, I'm wondering if a computer monitor would be a good choice for me, I plan on running a Wii, PS3, and an xbox 360. The PS3 and Xbox 360 I believe can output at 1080p and 1080i, respectively so I'm guessing both of these consoles would look nice on a 1920x1200 monitor, but computer monitors are a ratio of 16:10. Personally, I hate stretching of the image, but i don't at all mind black bars. Then there is the Wii which outputs at 480p, which is significantly lower than the native resolutioni of 1920x1200, so will the image look bad? And would I be better of with a 720p hdtv?
Also, I'm slightly confused on what 1:1 pixel mapping is. Is 1:1 pixel mapping for maintaining a sharp image on a monitor that is not running at it's native resolution? And is this related to aspect ratio? Or is aspect ratio somthing else entirely?
Any help picking out a monitor for my needs would be greatly appreciated, thankyou in advance.
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I want to get a new monitor. My current 19" CRT flickers a lot and has dark spots - it's gonna die soon. I've been looking at 19" ones, but I spotted a nice deal for a ViewSonic VX2235wm 22" LCD for $189 refurbished. It sounds great, but I wanted to check here first.
Originally posted by: xtknight
That's not worth it when you can get the Acer AL2051W for $10 more, new, and glossy 8-bit, wider viewing angle panel. Another user had a similar dilemma a few posts back.
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: xtknight
That's not worth it when you can get the Acer AL2051W for $10 more, new, and glossy 8-bit, wider viewing angle panel. Another user had a similar dilemma a few posts back.
Thanks! I do mostly gaming with my computer, and I'd like to know if it's good for that. Originally I was shying away from widescreens, but more games support them now (or they can be made to with a command line).
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: HappyProzak
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums and I stumbled across this thread while doing a google search. Anyways, I read through a few pages but the thread is massive and I'm really hoping someone here can help me.
Basically, I'm looking for a monitor strictly for console gaming. Currently I'm looking at a Samsung 23" HDTV that is 720p, but I'm also looking at 24' LCD monitors because I don't need a tv tuner as this will be strictly for console gaming.
Anyways, I'm wondering if a computer monitor would be a good choice for me, I plan on running a Wii, PS3, and an xbox 360. The PS3 and Xbox 360 I believe can output at 1080p and 1080i, respectively so I'm guessing both of these consoles would look nice on a 1920x1200 monitor, but computer monitors are a ratio of 16:10. Personally, I hate stretching of the image, but i don't at all mind black bars. Then there is the Wii which outputs at 480p, which is significantly lower than the native resolutioni of 1920x1200, so will the image look bad? And would I be better of with a 720p hdtv?
Also, I'm slightly confused on what 1:1 pixel mapping is. Is 1:1 pixel mapping for maintaining a sharp image on a monitor that is not running at it's native resolution? And is this related to aspect ratio? Or is aspect ratio somthing else entirely?
Any help picking out a monitor for my needs would be greatly appreciated, thankyou in advance.
Welcome to the forums. Please read the OP (scaling section) for info on 1:1. I'm pretty sure there's aspect ratio info there too.
And sorry, but I don't keep up on what monitors can do 1080p at this res or 720i at that res on VGA, etc.. Not all monitors do all inputs correctly (in fact most can't do them that well). The BenQ FP241W (or FP241WZ), as far as I know, is the best for connectivity.
You may find this resource helpful: Monitor Source
As for the Wii yes the lower the res the better but it seems silly to me to sacrifice the quality of your other consoles for that. You could use centered mode or perhaps scaling would look fine.
Originally posted by: paul01
xtknight,
the following info is cut/pasted from a reply i received from an NEC rep regarding an issue with the 20WMGX2. (i was trying to locate a rebate form for canadian customers).
"I would also like to tell you that the 20WMGX2 will be phased out in the next 4 months. It will be replaced the 22WMGX and 24WMCX display. The 22" will be cheaper than the 20 right now. If you would like more information on these products you can find them under products at www.necdisplay.com"
NEC's specs are nowhere near as informative and easy to understand as are your's.
i did not see the new 22WMGX model in your list of monitors (or did i miss it?)
if you are privy to the info/specs can you explain how the new 22WMGX model compares to the older 20WMGX with respect to Photo and Video editing purposes?
thanks again,
Paul
Originally posted by: mattmatteh
i was hoping that the benq 24 inch would drop in price but hasnt. i was looking for an lcd good for desktop and movies. but with the dell 2407wfp-hc on sale for 570, seems like a no brainer to get it.
both use an amva panel ? is the dell glossy? does that work well for movies and desktop stuff ? and does the dell have an over drive on it ? ifso can it be disabled.
about to go ahead and get the dell, doesnt seem like i can loose. the benq is 800 $ and have read their customer service is really lacking and they dont provide support well.
matt
Originally posted by: xtknight
Both are 6-bit but the LG is certainly a good 22" LCD. There's no reason to bother with the Samsung panel lottery (and price).
Originally posted by: mattmatteh
i was hoping that the benq 24 inch would drop in price but hasnt. i was looking for an lcd good for desktop and movies. but with the dell 2407wfp-hc on sale for 570, seems like a no brainer to get it.
both use an amva panel ? is the dell glossy? does that work well for movies and desktop stuff ? and does the dell have an over drive on it ? ifso can it be disabled.
about to go ahead and get the dell, doesnt seem like i can loose. the benq is 800 $ and have read their customer service is really lacking and they dont provide support well.
matt
Originally posted by: Majed
hi all.
i need help to make my mind.
here it is.
I'm looking for good 24" LCD, my max is $600.
i made a lot of searching and if i found some models got my concern but when i read about the problems most/some users facing my head starting get dizzy....
now i have hp 2207 TN panel which is good except Color-shifting dua View-Angel and 6 bit.
so i need 24" lcd. thinking about getting HP2408 but i didn't find any info about it.
and i loved Glosy screen and this the only one at this time.
but...i will buy 600$ ,so i think i can get a much better quality LCD...
and...what about hp w2408? I raed it has a wide gamut color!.
I thought about getting Dell 2407wfp-hc but reading a lot about back light bleeding and brightness or color different between Left side and right side making me thinking again!.
and what about LG L246WPBN 24"?
and finally I'm afraid about input-lag issue!..any thing better or equal to hp w2207 will be good for me! as i think.
any way..
Can u Help finding good 24" Lcd to get it.
my use is balanced (3D designing/Coding/Watching Movies/Gaming/Web(ing)
i know there's a lot of threads here talking about alot of this...but i want a certain advice from the experts for my subject.
my problem is i'm outside US, so my friend there will buy it, test it Then send it to me.
So i need to be sure for what i will get.
thanks in advance
Originally posted by: shiranai
Due to frame lag (and to a lesser extent, connectivity) issues on LCD displays, I wouldn't use them for console gaming. LCDs might be okay for RPGs and whatnot, but time-sensitive games suffer even on "fast" screens. Case-in-point: many moves in fighting games execute in just a few frames, so display lag of even 1f or greater is already significant. I've suffered through different displays (including projectors, ugh) having measured lag of between 1~3f (about 16~50ms), and time-sensitive games just aren't playable under those conditions.
Furthermore, if the monitor is _strictly_ for console gaming, you should be buying a TV, not a computer monitor. Monitors have incorrect aspect ratios (16:10 vs. 16:9), many aren't capable of hardware scaling, most are lacking important connectivity (e.g., HDMI, Component), etc. If you really want to use a computer monitor, the BenQ 24" has hardware scaling and the required inputs, but it also has ridiculous frame lag. Ditto for the Dells.
Your other option is to buy a prosumer input converter that can convert any input to any ouput and perform all of the necessary scaling with well under 1f of lag. The downside is that these things tend to cost thousands of dollars.
Originally posted by: BernardP
For those out there thinking about getting the Dell 2407WFP-HC and worrying about potential "issues", I say: don't. I just got mine yesterday and will be posting a mini-review shortly. I can already say there is nothing to worry about regarding this monitor: no backlight bleeding, no uniformity problem, no ghosting, and any input lag can't be felt. I have noticed the slight horizontal brightness/contrast shift in very dark areas when looking for it, but this is inherent to S-PVA panels and not a deal breaker. The vertical viewing angle color/brightess shift on TN panels is always much more visible.
I am still in the process of tweaking it for maximum blacks without losing details and trying to lower color intensity a bit without affecting overall color balance. The OSD has so many options that I have got lost a couple of times in submenus
From latest available info, this monitor has a Samsung S-PVA panel, not an AU Optronics A-MVA, as was thought initially. The screen is matte, not glossy.
Originally posted by: paul01
xtknight
thanks alot, again.
going by their specs, i got a feeling that the GX2 will out class the newer monitor. it seems they both have identical pixel pitch and native res but the GX2 has nearly 10 more pixels per sq inch. does this likely mean the GX has larger pixels and is it really important?
i believe i'll stick with older more expensive GX2, just wish there was a darned MIL for us canuckleheads
Paul
Originally posted by: Montius
Originally posted by: BernardP
For those out there thinking about getting the Dell 2407WFP-HC and worrying about potential "issues", I say: don't. I just got mine yesterday and will be posting a mini-review shortly. I can already say there is nothing to worry about regarding this monitor: no backlight bleeding, no uniformity problem, no ghosting, and any input lag can't be felt. I have noticed the slight horizontal brightness/contrast shift in very dark areas when looking for it, but this is inherent to S-PVA panels and not a deal breaker. The vertical viewing angle color/brightess shift on TN panels is always much more visible.
I am still in the process of tweaking it for maximum blacks without losing details and trying to lower color intensity a bit without affecting overall color balance. The OSD has so many options that I have got lost a couple of times in submenus
From latest available info, this monitor has a Samsung S-PVA panel, not an AU Optronics A-MVA, as was thought initially. The screen is matte, not glossy.
Completely agreed. I just got mine hooked up a few minutes ago so there's some testing to be done, but it's glorious.
Are you using a colorimeter Bernard? If so I'd like to know what settings you're using.
I haven't tried the DVI connector supplied with it yet, but judging by it's lack of the full amount of pins (9 rows on the adapter, 11 on the monitor) it doesn't support 1900x1200. Is that a correct mindset?