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22dasher

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ok so S-IPS it is and it seems from what I read above to stay with a 20" monitor the NEC was mentioned to get what model?

I'm ready to make a purchase and want to make the proper purchase for photo editiing monitor w/o spending 2000.00+ on a monitor.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight

If 24", then 2407WFP-HC IMO. You did print work and the sRGB space can be more or less emulated via Photoshop. You can't emulate a wide gamut from an sRGB display. Still up to you whether you want the bigger font sizes of a 27" or not. Maybe you were hoping for a magic bullet to help sway you one way or the other, but sadly there is none. The Samsung 275T is what I'd choose just because it has great black levels and I like the Samsung brand better (Dell is not great with service). The bigger size is nice because I'm nearsighted.

Thanks for your input. I'm actually growing nearsighted over the years due to my constant sitting in front of computer monitors so the 27" is appealing for that reason. I was hoping to get out of spending over a grand this time (I remember when I paid far in excess of that in the mid 90's for a pro quality monitor). I also like the idea that I can reclaim some extra desk space, it's been years since I could fit one of the larger wacoms on it and it would be nice to have some more audio gear at hand as well for when I'm doing that.

So thanks for all your input, I'll ponder this and see how work goes over the next few weeks. Enough of a surplus might make the cost differences less a part of the decision.
 

imported_Gr

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HI everyone.
Could someone tell me what the ?WA? stands for in l226wa.
Haven't seen this model mentioned here.What is the difference between l226wa and l226wt?
 

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Originally posted by: Gr
HI everyone.
Could someone tell me what the ?WA? stands for in l226wa.
Haven't seen this model mentioned here.What is the difference between l226wa and l226wt?

Go back and read pages 41 & 43 and its discussed there to some extent. I saw one post on the net (I think it was a llink from a AT thread but I forget) where a guy was showing his L226wa model and it had pretty bad ghosting problem. I wouldnt personally recommend it after seeing that video.


Okay, I found the thread for you. I bumped it up to 1st page in fact. It was buried a bit. Its on page 9. I assume the guy's link is still working. Look about haflway down the page. I replied to his post directly under it.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear



and then there is this post
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2088912&enterthread=y
 

imported_Gr

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Thanks
As I have understood firmware updates can't save this one
But there are too few reviews to know for sure if they are all like that
 

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OK so I took a look at the Soyo and OfficeMax had it hooked up to a static image on a PC. Got one of the guys to let me play around with it a bit and even taking into account that it was not calibrated I can't say that I was overly impressed. Could be that if I got it home I would be able to tweak it but just didn't want to take a chance on this.

Just as an FYI if I had a chance at a (used) Dell 2007WFP (if I'm reading your post right X) are they all S-IPS?
 

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OK, talk about a lot of info to digest. Information overload, but thank you all for giving me a LOT to read.

I've been a CRT user all my life at home, I have a Sony 21" monitor and it's starting to show it's age. I do use LCD's at work and I do like them.

I'm looking for a 24" LCD to pair with my BFG 8800GTX card at home. I play games, and I do development work (Visual Studio, C++ stuff, lots of text...)

Before coming here, I thought about the Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP-HC. After reading here, I saw that the BenQ FP241WZ was highly rated. I had trouble finding it - amazon saying 3-5 weeks (!) and one site I looked at said "Discontinued". The popular sites (mwave, newegg) don't list it either.

So - what are some suggestions for a 24" for a gamer & developer...? I have about 700-800 to blow. If there's something REALLY outstanding, but above the price range, please feel free to mention it, as I would like to consider it. This will, of course, take a DVI connection. In fact that's all I care about. I don't care about other forms of video input, and I don't care about USB ports/card readers/etc. (If they have any extra video inputs or USB inputs, etc, fine - not required, though) It should be HDCP compliant for future compatability. I intend to keep my monitor for quite some time, as I have with most of my monitors in the past.

 

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This might be better suited as a separate post, but it deals with LCD monitors vs. LCD TV's:

Do manufacturers of LCD monitors make versions with a glass screen? I don't know why, but watching games and movies out of my tv looks better. I don't know if the answer to that is the pixel size and spacing, but using an LCD screen with a matte finish seems duller than with glass?

What do you guys think?
 

nickdc

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Thanks for this highly informative article. I'm looking to replace aging crts on a dual display set up, used mainly for photo and video work as well as dtp. I'm drawn to the NEC 20WMGX2, which you describe as an "awesome" display. However, further research brought up this comment from another reviewer:
"Sadly, despite its gamut of goodies, the 20WMGX2?s performance is seriously lacking. Several shades of dark gray were indistinguishable from black, even with the brightness at 100 percent (and mind you, this screen is already uncommonly bright!). Grayscale ramps, which should progress in a smooth, gradual manner, were riddled with bumps, kinks, and banding. And color-tracking discrepancies were visible in scales of 32 or more steps. These issues plagued the screen?s performance in our real-world tests. In high-res digital photos and illustrations, banding, contouring, and the presence of different hues disrupted what should have been subtle shade changes. In DVDs the effect was even more noticeable, with shade transitions appearing blocky and pixilated. And in HD, the panel?s poor grayscale abilities were all the more evident. Who even cares if it can play games without ghosting?"
(Katherine Stevenson at http://www.maximumpc.com/article/nec_multisync_20wmgx2)
This review was back in March; not sure when you last looked at this monitor - could there have been changes? Difficult to see how two clearly expert reviewers could come to such different conclusions - or am I being naive? I'd be grateful for any comment and any other recommendations for a high quality 19" or 20" monitor.

 

imported_DaNVeR

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Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
This might be better suited as a separate post, but it deals with LCD monitors vs. LCD TV's:

Do manufacturers of LCD monitors make versions with a glass screen? I don't know why, but watching games and movies out of my tv looks better. I don't know if the answer to that is the pixel size and spacing, but using an LCD screen with a matte finish seems duller than with glass?

What do you guys think?

The very first entry of this thread lists recommended "glossy" finish LCD monitors in a number of different sizes for different tpes of applications.
 

xtknight

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Sorry for the long response time, it's been awhile.

Originally posted by: blinkstar
Please, I need some quick advice!

I too am an NEC 20WMGX2 owner, but I want to bump up to a 22-inch screen. I bought and returned an HP w2207 because I thought it was horrible--colors seemed way off but more importantly it had some sort of artificial sharpening that I could not for the life of me find a way to turn off (No "sharpening" option in the menu). I replaced it with a Samsung 226CW (no panel lottery with this newer model) which is much better, but definitely has its flaws ... the top inch or so of the screen is much darker than the rest, for instance. Still, I feel like I can live with the trade off in picture quality from the wonderful NEC, because I just want the extra real estate.

But then I stumbled onto this thread and saw your review for the LG Flatron 22, which you seem to rate pretty highly ... Do you think it is better for gaming than my Samsung 226CW? Please let me know your thoughts on this!

Has anyone else reading this thread seen the LG and Samsung in action? Which did you like better and why?

I doubt that it would be better than your 226CW. Keep what you got, IMO. The 226CW is a wide gamut display and should be a Samsung panel. The 226BW S was rated more highly than the L226WT.

Originally posted by: blinkstar
Thanks for responding, BernardP!

From the test you linked to, it looks like the LG might be superior. Less ghosting in the image shown. Also, it lists the LG as having a 3000:1 contrast ratio as opposed to the Samsung's 1000:1.

Thanks again for weighing in!

Looks like the LG has much more accurate colors too (after calibration) than the Samsung--or am I reading this graph wrong?

http://www.digitalversus.com/d...27&p1=2107&ma2=36&ph=1

Yes wide gamut monitors can be less accurate but they tend to provide more vibrant and lifelike colors. The wide gamut MVA and IPS which are more accurate are even better.

If you don't have a calibrator, and you don't edit photos a whole lot it's probably not much to worry about. For most, a wide-gamut display is the way to go when it's an option.

I haven't seen a review of the 226CW so I wouldn't be able to tell you if the inaccuracy was due to horrible colors or simply more vibrant colors. It's probably the latter, which is really not a problem for home users. It could possibly indicate pale colors as well which is why I'd wait for a professional review of the 226CW before buying it myself. If you're reasonably happy with the colors and don't think they're off in any way I'd keep the 226CW you already have. In other words, if you want a real upgrade, you should be looking in the direction of VA and IPS displays.

Originally posted by: arley
First, many thanks to xtkinght and all the contributors to this masterful summary of LCD options.

I'm reading conflicting reports on the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2-- the thread lists it as HDCP compliant, but that isn't mentioned on the NEC website, and the Ziff Davis review of the monitor specifically says it isn't. (as does the prad.de link).

While I don't yet have a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, I probably will have one or the other within the lifetime of my next monitor purchase (assuming the prices fall like most new stuff), and I'd like to buy a monitor that I could watch hi def dvd's on.

I may have to be satisfied with the Samsung 205BW until I can save up enough money for a big honkin' Dell.

The NEC 20WMGX2 (US version) is HDCP compliant.
The foreign NEC LCD20WGX2 is not HDCP compliant, and it does not have multimedia features or speakers. I link to the page for the LCD20WGX2 in my entry since that's the only one prad.de has up.

Originally posted by: arley
How is the Acer 24" Model: X241WSD?? Decent monitor?? I dont see this monitor on acer's website Its on sale at Best Buy for $399
Worth it for a TN? If I am thinking about getting a 22"(the LG), is it worth the extra $50-100 or so to get this monitor?

EDIT: Just saw that it was on sale at microcenter for $319 so maybe not such a good deal after all

The Soyo 24" would probably be better. I don't recommend TNs over 24" simply because the TN's faults are more apparent at bigger sizes. I know the price is enticing, and to be honest it's probably not all that bad of a monitor. If you're not that picky, it's probably fine.

I'm not seeing the Soyo on officemax.com anymore though so I'm not sure if this deal is any longer valid.

Originally posted by: padmewan
I'm almost convinced of buying a 20WMGX2. However, despite reading through this thread, I'm still not sure about the answers to the following questions:

1. What happens if I plug in my Playstation 2 using S-Video into the monitor? Has anyone done this and can testify as to what happens?

I have only used the component input myself other than VGA/DVI. I don't think S-Video will look particularly good at this resolution but it is supported.

2. I have a TV-card in my computer (Compro Gold+). Is the quality of the monitor's built-in conversion better than my TV-card's? Doesn't the TV-card have a lot more computing power available to it? Or does proximity to the final output (the monitor) make a bigger difference?

Your TV card is probably better. I'm not thrilled with the built-in tuner of the NEC but it's more than adequate.

Originally posted by: databird
Are the following two models the same?:

LG L226WTQ-SF
LG L226WTQ

The SF seems to have a silver bezel. Is that the only difference? I'd certainly rather a black bezel...

Is there a model with all black stand and bezel? What's the model number for it?

As mentioned, -BF.

Originally posted by: 22dasher
ok so S-IPS it is and it seems from what I read above to stay with a 20" monitor the NEC was mentioned to get what model?

I'm ready to make a purchase and want to make the proper purchase for photo editiing monitor w/o spending 2000.00+ on a monitor.

NEC 20WMGX2, for $400.

Originally posted by: Gr
HI everyone.
Could someone tell me what the ?WA? stands for in l226wa.
Haven't seen this model mentioned here.What is the difference between l226wa and l226wt?

The WA has some more multimedia features, and is available in Canada only (possibly other countries). It does have RTC (overdrive).

Originally posted by: Nnyan
OK so I took a look at the Soyo and OfficeMax had it hooked up to a static image on a PC. Got one of the guys to let me play around with it a bit and even taking into account that it was not calibrated I can't say that I was overly impressed. Could be that if I got it home I would be able to tweak it but just didn't want to take a chance on this.

Just as an FYI if I had a chance at a (used) Dell 2007WFP (if I'm reading your post right X) are they all S-IPS?

This obviously depends on the 2007WFP you're being sold. If it was bought before the panel lottery they are all S-IPS.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: TVisitor
OK, talk about a lot of info to digest. Information overload, but thank you all for giving me a LOT to read.

I've been a CRT user all my life at home, I have a Sony 21" monitor and it's starting to show it's age. I do use LCD's at work and I do like them.

I'm looking for a 24" LCD to pair with my BFG 8800GTX card at home. I play games, and I do development work (Visual Studio, C++ stuff, lots of text...)

Before coming here, I thought about the Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP-HC. After reading here, I saw that the BenQ FP241WZ was highly rated. I had trouble finding it - amazon saying 3-5 weeks (!) and one site I looked at said "Discontinued". The popular sites (mwave, newegg) don't list it either.

I'm not sure what happened to the Z version. Probably just out of stock for over 2 weeks, prime candidate for delisting.

So - what are some suggestions for a 24" for a gamer & developer...? I have about 700-800 to blow. If there's something REALLY outstanding, but above the price range, please feel free to mention it, as I would like to consider it. This will, of course, take a DVI connection. In fact that's all I care about. I don't care about other forms of video input, and I don't care about USB ports/card readers/etc. (If they have any extra video inputs or USB inputs, etc, fine - not required, though) It should be HDCP compliant for future compatability. I intend to keep my monitor for quite some time, as I have with most of my monitors in the past.

The Dell 2407WFP-HC isn't bad at all. It has wide gamut. It's that vs. the BenQ FP241W, which is lower gamut and more expensive but which has better response time and uniformity. It sounds like the FP241W may be a better choice for you since you game and need a good response time. Also wide gamut tends to make general usage look a little weird especially with no calibration.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
This might be better suited as a separate post, but it deals with LCD monitors vs. LCD TV's:

Do manufacturers of LCD monitors make versions with a glass screen? I don't know why, but watching games and movies out of my tv looks better. I don't know if the answer to that is the pixel size and spacing, but using an LCD screen with a matte finish seems duller than with glass?

What do you guys think?

No LCDs are made with "glass". You are probably seeing a difference of display technologies (e.g. CRT vs LCD) not coating.

If you mean glossy this is talked about in the first post. Look at the NEC 20WMGX2, HP w2207, Samsung 2232GW (coming soon), and other NEC GX2 series.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: nickdc
Thanks for this highly informative article. I'm looking to replace aging crts on a dual display set up, used mainly for photo and video work as well as dtp. I'm drawn to the NEC 20WMGX2, which you describe as an "awesome" display. However, further research brought up this comment from another reviewer:
"Sadly, despite its gamut of goodies, the 20WMGX2?s performance is seriously lacking. Several shades of dark gray were indistinguishable from black, even with the brightness at 100 percent (and mind you, this screen is already uncommonly bright!). Grayscale ramps, which should progress in a smooth, gradual manner, were riddled with bumps, kinks, and banding. And color-tracking discrepancies were visible in scales of 32 or more steps. These issues plagued the screen?s performance in our real-world tests. In high-res digital photos and illustrations, banding, contouring, and the presence of different hues disrupted what should have been subtle shade changes. In DVDs the effect was even more noticeable, with shade transitions appearing blocky and pixilated. And in HD, the panel?s poor grayscale abilities were all the more evident. Who even cares if it can play games without ghosting?"
(Katherine Stevenson at http://www.maximumpc.com/article/nec_multisync_20wmgx2)
This review was back in March; not sure when you last looked at this monitor - could there have been changes? Difficult to see how two clearly expert reviewers could come to such different conclusions - or am I being naive? I'd be grateful for any comment and any other recommendations for a high quality 19" or 20" monitor.

Basically they didn't use it on standard DV mode so that jeopardized the whole review. Granted, the NEC isn't as good as some for displaying dark tones it is good after calibration and I regularly offer profiles here. Them saying it was "riddled" with bumps and kinks is exaggerating, if they were on standard DV mode. Yes there is some banding on this display but that makes it a lot worse than the other TNs they reviewed? Absolutely not. It's about at the level of the Dell 2407WFP in terms of banding, but most people are fine with the Dell. I find it hard to believe also that the TNs they reviewed in the same round-up did blacks and dark tones any better. MVAs excel at this but TNs in general are usually equal to IPS in this category or worse. Again they probably used a weird DV Mode causing their impressions of this display to be greatly skewed. Indeed I think the other DV Modes look awful for most things, at least after I tried DV Mode standard and a calibrated profile.

I have tried several HD trailers on this display, and I can't see any banding on any of them under standard DV mode.

The single time I have seen banding in real tests is when using Blender and looking at a gray shaded 3D cube where it was pretty obvious. This depends on the settings a bit, though. You can mess with the brightness/contrast to greatly reduce this effect.

I don't see mentions of great uniformity or very little backlight bleeding, though. Nor much about the great viewing angles, or accurate and punchy colors. Response time control is flawless. Despite its minor banding this is the best LCD I've ever used. The glossy screen makes it really comfortable to look at, just as long as you don't have too many lights around you that would cause reflections. As I'm speaking I'm using it in daylight with a window (and chair) behind me and reflections are minimal to none. My body itself is blocking all the reflections...

If you're using it for photo editing, just set DV Mode to Standard, Advanced DVM to Off, and Colors to Native (sRGB isn't quite what it seems) and you're all set to go. This monitor's native white temperature is about 6450 K, making it great for photo editing. Not to mention, the gamma curves are about as accurate as a professional-quality LCD (take a look at X-Bit Labs reviews, compare gamma graph of NEC LCD2190UXi and NEC 20WMGX2, etc).

I know that the MaximumPC review wasn't the only one like this, but most of the other reviews knew enough to use standard DV mode. They had some qualms about the glossy display, which as I have said simply aren't an issue for me (or many others). I see few reflections, and most of what they're seeing is due to their bright lab lights.

One legitimate concern is burn-in. I'm speculating that some people have had it a lot worse than mine. The display also gets pretty hot which may cause the burn-in. On my display I have some burn-in issues at the top centimeter or so which is definitely due to heat (I've turned it off for long periods and it disappears). It could just be the lack of decent ventilation that I have here, or a defective unit. It's not all that bad in itself since it's quite subtle. The good news is that NEC is always more than willing to give you at least refurb replacements. I'm pretty sure most people have gotten 'new' replacements for things like this. I'm living with mine as-is since the rest of the display is more than perfect and this burn-in doesn't bother me on a daily basis. It is worse on some colors (particularly dark ones) than others, but since I have a light gray taskbar at the top I essentially see nothing but a pixel or two difference in the burnt spot. I haven't heard of any other person having this problem specifically but I just wanted to let you know I'm being honest here since my impressions are a polar opposite of Maximum PC's. Photos of the unit defect here on dark color and most visible: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9138204@N03/

Just to clarify things, when I say most people might have worse burn-in I am not talking about this heat problem. This heat problem is probably a different type of burn-in. General burn-in, common on S-IPS displays, is where images leave slight residual marks in high contrast areas. For all intents and purposes I have not had this problem. If you leave a sharp black/white border on the screen for a few minutes you might see a slight remnant of it later but I'm not all that sure this is any different than a typical LCD. When they got the NEC, some have reported worse backlight bleeding the first week or so due to panel pressure. I don't quite recall this issue but I can say with certainty that the panel has great uniformity.

I hope this clears things up. If you are wondering how good this display really is all you have to do is read these reviews.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_20wgx2.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/re.../nec_20wgx2_phase2.htm

The black level on this display is great especially with the coating, but it's not the best out there.

http://lcdresource.com/profile...x2_d65_Lstar_160_2.png

0.35 cd/m2 while the best PVAs can reach 0.20 cd/m2 or lower. You can achieve a better black by lowering brightness a tad (around 100 nits CRT level, roughly ideal for night gaming). I have gotten 0.22 on the NEC with the right settings.

X-Bit Labs did get a unit with what I suspect had a bit of bad omen with it.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ay/20-21inch-2_15.html

0.85 black at 100 white? Yes this is pretty high although X-Bit's black levels for LCDs have always been much higher than other reviews. The rest of the review is quite spot-on as you would expect from a reliable source like X-Bit. IPS panels have never had as high contrast as their PVA brothers but despite that they tend to give a much better image. The glossy panels helps this out quite a bit. I have a P-MVA (ViewSonic VP930b) next to me which regularly gets a 0.25 or lower black level. I still prefer the ~0.35+glossy of the 20WMGX2. Black still looks better on this display with that kind of coating, which colorimeters don't really benefit from, but people's eyes do.

Or, you can always be the judge (100_0874~100_0877):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9138204@N03/
 

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Someone I know just took their 24" apple iMac computer apart and found out that the lcd panel has the following model number: LM240wu2

I looked it up and I can't find this particular number. There is a LM240wu1 and an LM240wu3 (which is a TN panel) but not the "..wu2". It is definitely an LG Philips panel though.

Does anyone know how else I might look this up? or what kind of a panel this may be?

Thanks
 

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Can anybody tell me what's going on here...? I have a 20WMGX2 and sometimes, when playing a 60fps game, there's tearing right in the middle of the screen and it goes away when I restart the monitor. The games btw aren't known to have tearing... It's not a problem really, but I'm just curious. If the monitor can't keep up with the frame rate it would be permanent I think.

Also, when are the new LCD models for the fall coming? 120fps TVs are already out I think, but I'm not seeing any monitors with that tech.
 

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LG has announced (again) their new monitor lineup, including the wide-color gamut L227WT. previously thought to be available in September, now it is slated for September production and availability from the end of 2007.

There are also announcements of new 26-inch and 30-inch monitors with WCG, presumably with S-IPS panels (if LG is wise enough to use LG-Philips S-IPS panels in them), becoming available from March 2008.

News on Prad.de

 

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Originally posted by: Luddite
Someone I know just took their 24" apple iMac computer apart and found out that the lcd panel has the following model number: LM240wu2

I looked it up and I can't find this particular number. There is a LM240wu1 and an LM240wu3 (which is a TN panel) but not the "..wu2". It is definitely an LG Philips panel though.

Does anyone know how else I might look this up? or what kind of a panel this may be?

Thanks

Interesting. Looks like it uses the same panel as the LCD2490WUXi. H-IPS (with the non-glow polarizer).

Originally posted by: hyper
Can anybody tell me what's going on here...? I have a 20WMGX2 and sometimes, when playing a 60fps game, there's tearing right in the middle of the screen and it goes away when I restart the monitor. The games btw aren't known to have tearing... It's not a problem really, but I'm just curious. If the monitor can't keep up with the frame rate it would be permanent I think.

Never heard of this.

Also, when are the new LCD models for the fall coming? 120fps TVs are already out I think, but I'm not seeing any monitors with that tech.

http://www.behardware.com/arti...cd-with-screening.html

But, I think that's the only one with the tech so far. I have no idea when others are coming.

Originally posted by: BernardP
LG has announced (again) their new monitor lineup, including the wide-color gamut L227WT. previously thought to be available in September, now it is slated for September production and availability from the end of 2007.

There are also announcements of new 26-inch and 30-inch monitors with WCG, presumably with S-IPS panels (if LG is wise enough to use LG-Philips S-IPS panels in them), becoming available from March 2008.

News on Prad.de

The gamuts they're talking about almost sound like LED backlight gamuts but we'll see. If only these were coming a little earlier...
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
This might be better suited as a separate post, but it deals with LCD monitors vs. LCD TV's:

Do manufacturers of LCD monitors make versions with a glass screen? I don't know why, but watching games and movies out of my tv looks better. I don't know if the answer to that is the pixel size and spacing, but using an LCD screen with a matte finish seems duller than with glass?

What do you guys think?

No LCDs are made with "glass". You are probably seeing a difference of display technologies (e.g. CRT vs LCD) not coating.

If you mean glossy this is talked about in the first post. Look at the NEC 20WMGX2, HP w2207, Samsung 2232GW (coming soon), and other NEC GX2 series.

The MacBook has a plastic glass finish. That is what I am looking for.
 

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Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
This might be better suited as a separate post, but it deals with LCD monitors vs. LCD TV's:

Do manufacturers of LCD monitors make versions with a glass screen? I don't know why, but watching games and movies out of my tv looks better. I don't know if the answer to that is the pixel size and spacing, but using an LCD screen with a matte finish seems duller than with glass?

What do you guys think?

No LCDs are made with "glass". You are probably seeing a difference of display technologies (e.g. CRT vs LCD) not coating.

If you mean glossy this is talked about in the first post. Look at the NEC 20WMGX2, HP w2207, Samsung 2232GW (coming soon), and other NEC GX2 series.

The MacBook has a plastic glass finish. That is what I am looking for.

OK, this is the same as glossy.
 

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xtknight:

I definitely have a different view of what glossy is. I've seen some of the glossy monitors and the screen is a matte material - not glass or a plastic version of glass. Again, I am not talking about the felt-like material used for almost all LCDs.
 

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Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
xtknight:

I definitely have a different view of what glossy is. I've seen some of the glossy monitors and the screen is a matte material - not glass or a plastic version of glass. Again, I am not talking about the felt-like material used for almost all LCDs.

Well, right on the Apple.com site they talk about the MacBook's glossy display? Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. I have noticed that my VP930b has a different matte coating than the LG L226WT but the L226WT doesn't look glassy or glossy to me. Your MacBook reflects a lot in the sunlight, right?
 

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The MacBook is my coworker's; he says there isn't a glare so much as there is a reflection. I read Apple's description of the display. They might mean a glossy finish using the matte material versus the glass material. The coworker's screen is made of a plastic glass which is also glossy. But the glossy monitors indicated in this thread have the same dimpled light diffusion when the light bounces off of it as opposed to a glass screen. I'm at a deadend. What I am talking about seems indistinguishable.
 

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xtknight:

I think I'm confused. It could be how LCD TV's pixels are arrayed versus monitors. CRT monitors gave me the same sense of dullness on the screen that a TV wouldn't.

I'll spend time investigating this instead of drawing this argument out.
 
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