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Concerning the L226WTQ and L226WTX...
Which one is the newer/better model? My research indicated the Q...
Which one is the newer/better model? My research indicated the Q...
Originally posted by: databird
Concerning the L226WTQ and L226WTX...
Which one is the newer/better model? My research indicated the Q...
Originally posted by: databird
Hmm... I suppose I could return it if it has ghosting issues, since I'll be getting it from Future Shop.
Originally posted by: DRavisher
xtknight (or anyone else who knows), I've a questiong regarding the "Black and White Levels" setting in the ATI drivers (it's under color in the CCC). The two options are "PC Standard black and white levels" (described as suitable for displaying computer graphics) and "Microsoft MCE black and white levels" (suitable for displaying video content). I've got a HP LP3065 30" LCD.
In each 8 bit luminance sample, the value 16 is used for black and 235 for white, to allow for overshoot and undershoot. The values 0 and 255 are used for sync encoding. The Cb and Cr samples use the value 128 to encode a zero value, as used when encoding a white, grey or black area.
With PC Standard I'm able to see the entire "Dark Grayscale Test" on lcdresource.com, and can see gradation up to about RGB(250,250,250) when I create a gradient in Paint.NET. With Microsoft MCE most of the dark grayscale is displayed as black, but I can still make out some gradation if I run the webpage full screen (edit: in the higher shades that is). I think I can still se gradation in whites up to about the same level av PC Standard, perhaps a little lower. I'm wondering if you know anything about what this setting does? To me it seems like PC Standard gives a much colder picture, and I can see that most people seem to like Microsoft MCE best, but noone seems to know what the actual difference is. I've heard that movie content often clips the RGB scale and uses something like RGB(16,16,16) (or thereabouts) as black, and 23x or something as white. Could the Microsoft MCE scale be made to better display such content?
It also seems like RGB(0,0,0) is blacker and RGB(255,255,255) is whiter with MS MCE, but it also seems like it's a bit clipped, especially in darkness as seen in the dark grayscale test.
Unfortunately I've not calibrated my display, since I'm not doing any serious image editing or such (and calibrators cost a bit).
Thanks for any help
Originally posted by: BernardP
Hi again xtknight,
I am now considering trying .icm color profiles with my 2407WFP-HC. At this point, I have two basic questions:
--- I would be using the XP Color Control Applet. Is there a risk that I could mess things up with this utility? If I don't like the results and uninstall the profiles and\or the applet, could I end up worse off than when I started and be forced to reinstall Windows to get back to default settings.
--- Will the color profile influence colors in videos played with Windows Media Player or other self-contained video player apps (Videolan or Media Player Classic)?
Thanks
Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Regarding the Acer AL2051W... is this discontinued?
I've tried finding this on the web and the only ones I've found are refurbs.
Originally posted by: BernardP
As you are saying...
A new 26-inch TN panel has just appeared on Samsung's web site:
http://www.samsung.com/global/...mly_id=603&fmly_id=609
Originally posted by: Machinus
http://www.officemax.com/max/s...xpansionOID=-536879891
Is that any good?
Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Regarding the Acer AL2051W... is this discontinued?
I've tried finding this on the web and the only ones I've found are refurbs.
Originally posted by: joshc
xtknight, I have a problem getting a laptop to output a signal to an LCD TV. I started a thread here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2092124&enterthread=y
Could you please reply there or here with your thoughts?
Originally posted by: Beh
I am one of the lucky few who seems to have picked up a Soyo 24" MVA with little to no issues. I must say I'm very pleased with this monitor considering its price.
I eventually settled on a user defined color setting of 38/38/38, contrast at 50, and brightness at 40. I checked the tests at lcdresource.com among other places and the colors in the images come out great but on the dark greyscale test I can make out all the stages down to RGB(3,3,3). Below that 2, 1, and 0 appear to be the same darkness.
Is this an acceptable result considering it's price and the fact that I had to calibrate it by eye? If I set anything higher the colors are washed out, besides, I don't get the feeling that any game is too dark. Except for maybe Doom 3. In a game like FarCry though, I can be crawling through dark oppressive tunnels then 1 minute later I'm blinded by the sunlight reflecting off the sand outside. That's to be expected, right?
Anyway, thanks for your time.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TVisitor
Thanks xtknight - you are correct in your assessment - clearly, I am confused, but thanks for putting my question to rest. I appreciate it!
Have you heard anything about these monitors?
KDS K-24MDWB
DCLCD DCL24A Black 24" 2ms
Sorry, I don't know anything about those LCDs and I have never seen reviews of them. They both look like TNs to me (160/160 viewing angle) so I would avoid them for 24". The FP241WZ (8-bit MVA) is the best choice.
Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Regarding the Acer AL2051W... is this discontinued?
I've tried finding this on the web and the only ones I've found are refurbs.
Originally posted by: Septimus
Looking for a new display solution. My needs:
- Web development (more coding than photoshop, but the occasional graphic work - this is secondary though)
- General productivity (outlook, word)
- Moderate gaming (going to be paired with an 8800 GTS 640)
- Be nice if consoles plugged into it directly (i.e. no need for a TV card intermediary) - this is also secondary though
Current candidates:
1 ViewSonic VX2385 27.5" widescreen LCD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16824116084) )- $679
or
2 Westinghouse L2410NM 24" widescreen LCDs (http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16824255001): $400 ea. after mail-in rebate
The Westinghouse 24" need DVI-->HDMI adapters but those are cheaply had. I am moving up from a single 21" Viewsonic VX2025 and am ambivalent about whether or not I want/need a second display; I had one once at an office several years ago and it was pretty nice, but those were two 17" CRTs.
Does this just come down to a matter of preference? I am leaning towards a single display solution at the moment since something that large can accommodate multitasking pretty easily and is probably a bit better for gaming. Any suggestions?
Thanks very much!
Originally posted by: Septimus
A few googleseconds later, the VX2385 looks disqualified on account of being a poor quality TN. Why is something like the Westinghose 37" LVM-37w3 cheaper than a Dell 27" LCD?
Originally posted by: BernardP
Thanks xtknight for the info about .icm profiles vs video players. Video is the only area where I was wondering if applying a profile might give even better results, but it looks like a pointless exercise.
If I understand correctly, calibrating a monitor with as much precision as possible is mostly useful in digital photography work.
Originally posted by: asianvcl
I just got off the phone with an NEC rep 5 minutes ago. I called in concern to a newegg review (of the 20wmgx2) i had read on the monitor (damuman's post) about how the panel is now out of production and soon will be replaced by a TN panel version. This really irritated me because i have been meaning to save up to purchase this monitor, and was hopefully wishing NEC would build the same type of monitor with the same AS-IPS panel at a 22" and 24".
I asked the rep whether or not newer editions of this monitor were to be expected and he gave me the model numbers. They are: 22mgx for the 22" and 24wmcx for the 24". I asked if it had the same panel and he said he didn't know. I asked when they would be released and he said they can be expected in October, however the 24" wont have opticlear until March of 2008. He also said the 22" will have a price of about $380.00 with a m.i.r of around 20-30 dollars (i cant remember how much). He couldn't give me the price range of the 24" but confirmed it would have a m.i.r. of $30. I was a little curious about why the price for a 22" was cheaper than the 20" and he simply responded that its to "compete in the market". I'm not convinced that's the real reason. I really hope NEC doesn't make these monitors TN panel as damuman's review suggested. I guess if you're looking to get the 20wmgx2 now is the time because the rep confirmed that the monitor is out of production.
That's all the information i could haggle out of him (as it's clear he didn't know what the true panel on this monitor is, which just happens to be my biggest concern). Any other information from informed users would greatly be appreciated since I have been looking to upgrade my monitor the last few weeks.
Originally posted by: Beh
I am one of the lucky few who seems to have picked up a Soyo 24" MVA with little to no issues. I must say I'm very pleased with this monitor considering its price.
I came to this monitor from a history of using only TN panels. I had heard of the other panels qualities but never had a chance to experience it firsthand. Now I don't think I can ever go back.
I any case I had a small question concerning the calibration. I had to eyeball everything since I lack proper calibration equipment. I wanted to set everything through the monitor's OSD so it could be shuttled around between different computers without much fuss.
I eventually settled on a user defined color setting of 38/38/38, contrast at 50, and brightness at 40. I checked the tests at lcdresource.com among other places and the colors in the images come out great but on the dark greyscale test I can make out all the stages down to RGB(3,3,3). Below that 2, 1, and 0 appear to be the same darkness.
Is this an acceptable result considering it's price and the fact that I had to calibrate it by eye? If I set anything higher the colors are washed out, besides, I don't get the feeling that any game is too dark. Except for maybe Doom 3. In a game like FarCry though, I can be crawling through dark oppressive tunnels then 1 minute later I'm blinded by the sunlight reflecting off the sand outside. That's to be expected, right?
Anyway, thanks for your time.
Originally posted by: wizziwig
Originally posted by: Beh
I am one of the lucky few who seems to have picked up a Soyo 24" MVA with little to no issues. I must say I'm very pleased with this monitor considering its price.
I eventually settled on a user defined color setting of 38/38/38, contrast at 50, and brightness at 40. I checked the tests at lcdresource.com among other places and the colors in the images come out great but on the dark greyscale test I can make out all the stages down to RGB(3,3,3). Below that 2, 1, and 0 appear to be the same darkness.
Is this an acceptable result considering it's price and the fact that I had to calibrate it by eye? If I set anything higher the colors are washed out, besides, I don't get the feeling that any game is too dark. Except for maybe Doom 3. In a game like FarCry though, I can be crawling through dark oppressive tunnels then 1 minute later I'm blinded by the sunlight reflecting off the sand outside. That's to be expected, right?
Anyway, thanks for your time.
I found the same black level results as you on my Soyo. I think the problem is caused by the way this monitor does "brightness" adjustment. Instead of changing power to the backlight (as every other LCD I've used), it simply adjusts the RGB values up/down. This causes you to lose the RGB levels that are clipped off. I already posted this in the "Deals" forum.. so I'll just repeat it here:
"Has anyone with a meter measured the black level and white level of this monitor to determine real-world contrast? It seems very poor from what I've seen. The black is probably the worst I've seen on an LCD in recent history. Even with lights on in the room, anything with a black background just shows up as gray/purple instead of black.
I think the problem is that the backlight is set to a very high brightness with no way to adjust it lower. The brightness and contrast sliders do not effect the backlight (these controls just tweak the RGB values like the sliders in your video card's control panel). Lack of backlight control also makes this panel too bright when used in a dark environment.
Has anyone else compared this to their other LCD's blacks? I'm using the Dell 2001FP as reference. "
Originally posted by: DRavisher
I've a quick question about how a LCD screen draws its image. I'm simply wondering if a LCD screen refreshes its pixels in the same order as a CRT screen, starting at top left and working its way down to the bottom right (or is it top right to bottom left)? From what I can understand this is the way the image is sent from the graphics card, so wouldn't it be best to display it right away as recieved?
What I've been told is that the LCD will buffer the entire frame, and when everything is recieved it will refresh all the millions of pixels simultaneously, but wouldn't this introduce more input lag than is necessary (at 60 Hz I'd think the lag versus CRT would be somewhere between 1/60 s = 16.7 ms and 0 ms depending on which part of the screen we're looking at)?
If all the pixels are in fact refreshed simultaneously, any idea how long this process would take from start to finish? From my understanding of how a TFT matrix works, all the pixels can't possibly be updated at the same time, but perhaps it can be done so quickly that it doesn't really matter anyway.
Thanks for a wonderful thread xtknight
Originally posted by: BernardP
How much more does a 26-inch MVA cost over a 26-inch TN?
according to this DailyTech Article, the cost difference is between $20 and $40.
So now, every manufacturer is moving towards TN panels to save this relatively small amount. Of course, when everybody down the production chain has taken its markup on this $30, it ends up at a couple hundred $ in the final selling price.
This article also indicates that 26-inch might be next mainstream monitor size.
Originally posted by: nytmarezz
Just out of curiosity.....
link --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824211009
Brand - DCLCD
Model - DCL24A
Display Screen Size - 24"
Resolution - 1920 x 1200
Viewing Angle - 160°(H) / 160°(V)
Response Time - 2ms
......is there a 2ms, 24" TN panel out? .....or is this just poor marketing? I thought the only 24" TN panel was rated at 5ms.
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: TVisitor
Thanks xtknight - you are correct in your assessment - clearly, I am confused, but thanks for putting my question to rest. I appreciate it!
Have you heard anything about these monitors?
KDS K-24MDWB
DCLCD DCL24A Black 24" 2ms
Sorry, I don't know anything about those LCDs and I have never seen reviews of them. They both look like TNs to me (160/160 viewing angle) so I would avoid them for 24". The FP241WZ (8-bit MVA) is the best choice.
Why should TN panels be avoided for 24" displays? I've been looking at the DCLCD 24" model, and man, that beats the price for any 24" display I've seen so far.
Which has me sniffing for a catch.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: BernardP
How much more does a 26-inch MVA cost over a 26-inch TN?
according to this DailyTech Article, the cost difference is between $20 and $40.
So now, every manufacturer is moving towards TN panels to save this relatively small amount. Of course, when everybody down the production chain has taken its markup on this $30, it ends up at a couple hundred $ in the final selling price.
This article also indicates that 26-inch might be next mainstream monitor size.
TNs and MVAs are quite similar in price from what the retail products I have seen. MVA displays cost about the same (Acer AL2051=only $200 and VP930b is pretty cheap these days).