[Retired] The LCD Thread

[blinkstar]

Originally posted by: konakona
Just picked up the 24'' soyo.
Need to spend some time adjusting it though...
Trying to figure out how to use that color profile Viper GTS posted in that soyo thread.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I tried it and it made my Soyo look terribly washed out. Pretty much unusable. What works for one monitor is usually not what will work for another. Here is a good site for tweaking your brightness and contrast:

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/#contrast

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: qwester
My question is about the Acer Ferrari F20. I cannot say I like its looks, but according to prad.de it has an S-IPS panel.

So how does it compare to other IPS screens, mainly the NEC 20WMGX2 and Dell 2007WFP (with IPS, that's what I have at work )?

I don't know for sure what panel the F-20 has, but according to flatpanels.dk it has a P-MVA. This is what I always thought. It won't be quite as good. Colors won't appear as true, backlight uniformity can be worse, and there will be tone shifting due to the VA panel.

Currently my #1 and only choice is the NEC but I am trying to find something that will cost a bit less (than $400). The Acer can be found for $325 and that seems pretty good for an IPS, especially that I don't care much for all the extras that come with the NEC and I am neutral when it comes to glossy filter (the place where this screen will be used doesn't have any light sources that will cause reflection problems)

I don't think it's worth saving $75 to get something only 60% as good. You will get color shifts with the F-20, there's no question about it (assuming it's P-MVA, which I'm fairly sure it is and always has been).

X-Bit lists it as MVA: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...-21inch-2_6.html#sect0

Otherwise, are there any other decent non-TN options under the $400 mark. I'll go for any of the following sizes 2x17", 2x19", 1x20" or 1x22" ... I just want something that has good color reproduction and doesn't suffer from color shifts whenever I move my head a bit ... I am pretty picky ... and I am not a gamer, so all those fancy "X ms" numbers mean nothing to me.

Go for the NEC 20WMGX2.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: adrianmariano
Does anybody know if there's a way to disable the TV tuner on the NEC 20WMGX2? How easy is it to discover and activate this function? I don't want a monitor that can receive TV signals, though I notice it tends to be a common feature.

Is the glossy screen any glossier than a CRT?

I don't think disabling the feature is possible. Simply don't plug in the coaxial cable and it shouldn't have anything to tune into. I doubt it uses much power idle like that.

Is there something particular you're worried about with the TV tuner?

The glossy screen will reflect less than a CRT, I'm guessing. It is not curved like some CRTs and it's not glass, so it won't be nearly as "in your face" like a tube screen is. It should be a lot easier on your eyes than a CRT.

I find that my glossy screen deals with daylight better than my anti-glare one does:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9138204@N03/1277080285/

Notice how the glossy screens simply reflects a small portion of the light, and the matte one scatters it making it distracting and more difficult to see the screen. It's all a matter of the reflection method you prefer but personally I like the spotlight-like reflection of the glossy screen better.

 

[Butterbean]

What is the life span of a heavily used NEC 20WMGX2 (say its used 6 -7 hrs a day)? I wanted to have a larger second monitor than my NEC 20WMGX2 and was going to get a Dell 30" S-IPS - but it's matte/anti-glare and I dont want to go back to that. I don't see much else that's S-IPS and with Opticlear so I thought maybe I should just get another NEC 20WMGX2 if nothing better is coming out any time soon. I don't like idea my NEC could die and I get stuck between S-PVA and only Matte-S-IPS. Maybe using 2 NEC's spreads out the hours so I'm good for 3 years or so. Is Opticlear dying off on desktops? Is anything decent coming out in S-IPS panels ( say 20-26" and under $1200 say) in next couple years or is NEC 20WMGX2 going to be the peak for a while? Thanks, I know that's alot to ask but on NEC's site even figuring out if a display is gloss or matte is hard to figure out. I was going to get an NEC 90GX2 just for the hours reading web stuff (to save 20WMGX2 hours). But the 20WMGX2 has been pretty cheap to make 90GX2 seem like waste. I mostly like good displays for photos I take and rarely game.

 

[imported_qwester]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I don't think it's worth saving $75 to get something only 60% as good. You will get color shifts with the F-20, there's no question about it (assuming it's P-MVA, which I'm fairly sure it is and always has been).

X-Bit lists it as MVA: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...-21inch-2_6.html#sect0

Go for the NEC 20WMGX2.

Weird I never found the Xbitlabs article when googling, must be that I searched for "F20" not "F-20"

Ya for saving $75 its certainly not worth downgrading to any VA panel. Had it been $200 less, like the Acer AL2051W which I missed on because I delayed as I configured my new system, then it might be worth it.

I guess my one and only choice is the NEC 20WMGX2

Thanx for the help!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
What is the life span of a heavily used NEC 20WMGX2 (say its used 6 -7 hrs a day)? I wanted to have a larger second monitor than my NEC 20WMGX2 and was going to get a Dell 30" S-IPS - but it's matte/anti-glare and I dont want to go back to that. I don't see much else that's S-IPS and with Opticlear so I thought maybe I should just get another NEC 20WMGX2 if nothing better is coming out any time soon. I don't like idea my NEC could die and I get stuck between S-PVA and only Matte-S-IPS. Maybe using 2 NEC's spreads out the hours so I'm good for 3 years or so. Is Opticlear dying off on desktops? Is anything decent coming out in S-IPS panels ( say 20-26" and under $1200 say) in next couple years or is NEC 20WMGX2 going to be the peak for a while? Thanks, I know that's alot to ask but on NEC's site even figuring out if a display is gloss or matte is hard to figure out. I was going to get an NEC 90GX2 just for the hours reading web stuff (to save 20WMGX2 hours). But the 20WMGX2 has been pretty cheap to make 90GX2 seem like waste. I mostly like good displays for photos I take and rarely game.

When you're talking about lifespan of the NEC I assume you're talking about burn-in. I don't know really, it varies per unit. 6-7 hrs a day is like me on summer vacation which means a good potential for burn-in after awhile.

The backlight is still bright and the monitor still calibrates well. It's only been a little over a year, though.

Glossy screens have always been dead, they've just been undying for the past year or so.

I don't know of any glossy S-IPS panels coming out (sadly).

There are polarized S-IPS displays that don't have the black/violet shift, but they're still matte. They are a little better though and will probably be my next option when I can afford them (e.g. NEC LCD2490, LCD2690, Mitsubishi DiamondCrysta). Until then, the Planar PX2611W S-IPS w/o polarization seems like a good option for me. It's back in stock at Newegg. I just wish it had more raving and reviews than it does now.

 

[Butterbean]

Thanks. That's curious about the "undead" glossy panels. When I go to Best Buy or Circuit City and look at laptops I can hardly find a matte and all I see are glossy panels. That's funny to me because on a lappy I wouldn't mind a matte. Desktops of course seem to be mostly matte.

With regard to "life span" I meant how log before I flat out need a new monitor. I never had any burn-in issues the past year but gues I couldn't be surprised if I did. Mostly with the NEC I don't like the Power button. It seems like junk and I expect to break it every time I use it (I use remote when I can of course). I don't even know how long LCD panels can last in general. I see hours of usage - MTBR thingies - but I never trust those things since they always seem to generous (I've seen 11 years givien as LCD life using MTBR hours lol).

Can a NEC 20wmgx2 be used vertical on a VESA mount? I understand its a vid card that turns image. I was just wondering if it was physically possible. I've never used such mounts before.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Thanks. That's curious about the "undead" glossy panels. When I go to Best Buy or Circuit City and look at laptops I can hardly find a matte and all I see are glossy panels. That's funny to me because on a lappy I wouldn't mind a matte. Desktops of course seem to be mostly matte.

With regard to "life span" I meant how log before I flat out need a new monitor. I never had any burn-in issues the past year but gues I couldn't be surprised if I did. Mostly with the NEC I don't like the Power button. It seems like junk and I expect to break it every time I use it (I use remote when I can of course). I don't even know how long LCD panels can last in general. I see hours of usage - MTBR thingies - but I never trust those things since they always seem to generous (I've seen 11 years givien as LCD life using MTBR hours lol).

Can a NEC 20wmgx2 be used vertical on a VESA mount? I understand its a vid card that turns image. I was just wondering if it was physically possible. I've never used such mounts before.

Well I've only had an LCD since around Dec 2004 (Samsung 710T, manuf. Sept 2004). The 710T still works without any issues AFAIK. It's on my mom's PC now and she uses it about 30 mins a day though. At that rate, I'd expect her LCD to last at least another 2 years at decent brightness.

If you were using it 6-7 hours a day, I'd expect it to last about 3 years. In reality, I have no idea how LCDs age. By then of course you'll want that new 120 Hz 110% gamut 1 ms response time 30" LCD, won't you?

Yes, the 20WMGX2 has a VESA (100x100 mm) spec mount. I don't know about using it vertically, though. It can't go in portrait mode if that's what you mean but I doubt simply turning it would cause any damage.

 

[Snakedog]

I just got an Acer X221WSD that I'm probably going to return. The biggest problem is that when viewing dark colors in videos blocks of different shades appear and disappear giving a sparkly appearance. If I watch the same video on my old 17" lg l1715s I see it slightly, but overall it's much more smoothed out.
The other problem is that the whites hurt my eyes until I turn the brightness down so much that the other colors are way off. I can't understand why people often talk about how bright their LCD is, as if that's a virtue. Are high quality LCDs bright while not having eye-strainingly bright whites?
Again, this may be a issue of having a low-quality monitor, but after experiencing this Acer it seems like 1680x1050 isn't practical. Downloaded videos, and even DVDs are low resolution in comparison to the LCD. I think they look worse at this high resolution than they do on my 1280x1024.
Now my big question is, will a high-quality LCD like the 20wmgx2 not have these problems? I might want to just go with a 19" because I can get higher fps in games with 1280x1024. What 19" would you recommend that will have smooth darks in videos and whites that aren't eye-straining (if that's possible). I'm not very particular about color accuracy, and anything lower than 12ms will beat my current lcd in response time.
Thank you very much for any advice!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Snakedog
I just got an Acer X221WSD that I'm probably going to return. The biggest problem is that when viewing dark colors in videos blocks of different shades appear and disappear giving a sparkly appearance. If I watch the same video on my old 17" lg l1715s I see it slightly, but overall it's much more smoothed out.
The other problem is that the whites hurt my eyes until I turn the brightness down so much that the other colors are way off. I can't understand why people often talk about how bright their LCD is, as if that's a virtue. Are high quality LCDs bright while not having eye-strainingly bright whites?

High quality LCDs will give you more detail at a lower brightness.

Again, this may be a issue of having a low-quality monitor, but after experiencing this Acer it seems like 1680x1050 isn't practical. Downloaded videos, and even DVDs are low resolution in comparison to the LCD. I think they look worse at this high resolution than they do on my 1280x1024.
Now my big question is, will a high-quality LCD like the 20wmgx2 not have these problems? I might want to just go with a 19" because I can get higher fps in games with 1280x1024. What 19" would you recommend that will have smooth darks in videos and whites that aren't eye-straining (if that's possible). I'm not very particular about color accuracy, and anything lower than 12ms will beat my current lcd in response time.
Thank you very much for any advice!

The NEC 20WMGX2 should solve your problems since it's true 8-bit and will be able to reveal darker tones better. It's also great at giving good detail at a low brightness.

I think DVDs look better on my 1680x1050 vs. a 1280x1024 LCD, but that's just me.

 

[Snakedog]

After fooling around with the brightness/contrast I can get the dark blockiness to disappear because either all the blocks turn to the lighter shade, or to the darker shade. It's smoother, but it's either all too light or too dark. Maybe the 8-bit NEC will be able to correct this, but couldn't it just be that the video source is just outputting these two different shades and any accurate display would show the blocks. I suppose there could be an intermediate shade that I'm not seeing because of this monitor which would help blend the shades. I wish I could try the NEC without buying! The stores around here are terrible because they don't have the monitors hooked up to computers that can actually output 1680x1050, not that they carry the NEC anyway.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Snakedog
After fooling around with the brightness/contrast I can get the dark blockiness to disappear because either all the blocks turn to the lighter shade, or to the darker shade. It's smoother, but it's either all too light or too dark. Maybe the 8-bit NEC will be able to correct this, but couldn't it just be that the video source is just outputting these two different shades and any accurate display would show the blocks. I suppose there could be an intermediate shade that I'm not seeing because of this monitor which would help blend the shades. I wish I could try the NEC without buying! The stores around here are terrible because they don't have the monitors hooked up to computers that can actually output 1680x1050, not that they carry the NEC anyway.

It sounds like you should check into a video codec with deblocking such as ffdshow.

I thought you were referring to dithering, but it sounds like you're talking about macroblocks in video codecs. Deblocking takes the average of two adjacent blocks and tries to smooth them out.

 

[eklock2000]

Thanks XT,

"This is like the Dell 3007WFP with some inputs and (I'm assuming) a Samsung S-PVA instead. But nothing amazing, other than HQV which I assume isn't used on the DVI or VGA inputs but only the component/composite/S-Video. Don't expect anything out of this world, but it will be the first 30" display to boast so many inputs. It may not have as good image quality as the 3007WFP since it (I'm assuming) uses an S-PVA, not an S-IPS.

It will still have input lag, probably around 32 ms, 2 frames, or higher (mark my word)."


You were correct in your assumptions as the manual here states this panel uses an S-PVA.

http://support.gateway.com/s/M...s/Monitors/8512322.pdf

From swimming through all the stuff on this thread, the Dell 30" seems like a better panel for gaming. It is also down to ~ $1,270 on their website.

Are there any other 30" panels (out now or forthcoming) that you would recommend?

The Dell has a max. of 27 ms rt+lag, and the Gateway will be significantly more than this you think (6ms + 32ms)? The only thing drawing me to the Gateway is the input options. Also, how bad is a ~40ms lag? I'm running a viewsonic VX2000 now?

TIA

Peace,

EK2K

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Thanks. That's curious about the "undead" glossy panels. When I go to Best Buy or Circuit City and look at laptops I can hardly find a matte and all I see are glossy panels. That's funny to me because on a lappy I wouldn't mind a matte. Desktops of course seem to be mostly matte.

With regard to "life span" I meant how log before I flat out need a new monitor. I never had any burn-in issues the past year but gues I couldn't be surprised if I did. Mostly with the NEC I don't like the Power button. It seems like junk and I expect to break it every time I use it (I use remote when I can of course). I don't even know how long LCD panels can last in general. I see hours of usage - MTBR thingies - but I never trust those things since they always seem to generous (I've seen 11 years givien as LCD life using MTBR hours lol).

Can a NEC 20wmgx2 be used vertical on a VESA mount? I understand its a vid card that turns image. I was just wondering if it was physically possible. I've never used such mounts before.

Well I've only had an LCD since around Dec 2004 (Samsung 710T, manuf. Sept 2004). The 710T still works without any issues AFAIK. It's on my mom's PC now and she uses it about 30 mins a day though. At that rate, I'd expect her LCD to last at least another 2 years at decent brightness.

If you were using it 6-7 hours a day, I'd expect it to last about 3 years. In reality, I have no idea how LCDs age. By then of course you'll want that new 120 Hz 110% gamut 1 ms response time 30" LCD, won't you?

Yes, the 20WMGX2 has a VESA (100x100 mm) spec mount. I don't know about using it vertically, though. It can't go in portrait mode if that's what you mean but I doubt simply turning it would cause any damage.

Thanks xt. I just got another 20WMGX2. I thought the rebate price of 399 was pretty good but they are giving away a keyboard or speakers with monitor as well (there are 3 combo deals). I saw 2 open box deals and noticed they were white model. The only other times I saw open box deals (2x) they were white as well. That's probably meaningless with regard to NEC stuff but if it was Sony I would have been scared off. I got a black one btw.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eklock2000
You were correct in your assumptions as the manual here states this panel uses an S-PVA.

http://support.gateway.com/s/M...s/Monitors/8512322.pdf

From swimming through all the stuff on this thread, the Dell 30" seems like a better panel for gaming. It is also down to ~ $1,270 on their website.

Are there any other 30" panels (out now or forthcoming) that you would recommend?

The Dell 3007WFP-HC indeed looks great for gaming. Probably better than the Gateway in every aspect to be honest.

I don't know of any other affordable 30" S-IPS displays, so the Dell 3007WFP-HC looks like the winner. There's the Apple 30" which I believe is still normal gamut and more expensive, and it has less controls. So it's not even worth mentioning IMO.

I don't know of any coming out, either.

The Dell has a max. of 27 ms rt+lag, and the Gateway will be significantly more than this you think (6ms + 32ms)? The only thing drawing me to the Gateway is the input options. Also, how bad is a ~40ms lag? I'm running a viewsonic VX2000 now?

TIA

Peace,

EK2K

The lack of input options on the Dell 30" is indeed a bummer but unless you actually use those other inputs I wouldn't let it get to you. I think you'd be happier with the Dell 3007WFP-HC for day-to-day DVI use than the Gateway 30" or Samsung 30", especially for gaming.

The VX2025WM, if that's what you mean, probably has roughly 32 ms like its VP930b sibling. The VX2035WM probably has less, somewhere around 16 ms since it's a TN.

I don't think you will notice any lag on the 3007WFP-HC.

 

[eklock2000]

Thanks for your thoughts XT....I am indeed running a "very old" display, the VX2000

http://www.viewsonic.com/suppo...eries/vx2000/index.htm

I bought it in/around 2002 for top $ and have been happy up til now. It's a UXGA? and does exhibit some ghosting. I don't know what the lag is, but it's old tech. so it's got to be slow. I remember the deciding factor was that this display was touted as having 75Hz refresh. After I received it, and some time later, they fessed up and changed their website to reflect that it was 60Hz...seems like this "panel lottery", mis-reporting specs type stuff has been going on a long time.

The Dell seems like the sweetspot for me.

Thanks again,

EK2K

 

[adrianmariano]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: adrianmariano
Does anybody know if there's a way to disable the TV tuner on the NEC 20WMGX2? How easy is it to discover and activate this function? I don't want a monitor that can receive TV signals, though I notice it tends to be a common feature.

I don't think disabling the feature is possible. Simply don't plug in the coaxial cable and it shouldn't have anything to tune into. I doubt it uses much power idle like that.

Is there something particular you're worried about with the TV tuner?

So in order for the TV tuner to work it needs an antenna plugged into the coax input? It won't just receive over the air using an internal antenna?

My concerns about the TV tuner are not technical in nature. We don't have any TVs in the house and don't want to introduce one.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: adrianmariano
So in order for the TV tuner to work it needs an antenna plugged into the coax input? It won't just receive over the air using an internal antenna?

My concerns about the TV tuner are not technical in nature. We don't have any TVs in the house and don't want to introduce one.

I see what you mean. No, you can't just use the TV unless you have something connected to it, at least for the most part. You might be able to receive a really static-y signal without a cable, but I doubt you would end up with anything worth watching. The TV has no internal antenna in a practical sense, so its quality of reception would be limited to the metal on the coax connector itself. If it was still receiving TV I bet you could stick something in the coax (e.g. jam it) to prevent it from receiving anything. Actually as long as it never autotunes maybe you won't be able to receive anything at all. All I see is black and white static without anything connected with no semblance of any image. YMMV.

AFAIK there is even a cover over the coax and comp. video ports by default.

 

[Keitero]

This is an epic thread.

I just ordered a BenQ FP241W and it is by far everything that people have said it was and much more. The colors are so vivid, not a single dead pixel, and all the inputs that I can shake a stick at. Worth the $640 on the egg.

 

[adrianmariano]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: adrianmariano
So in order for the TV tuner to work it needs an antenna plugged into the coax input? It won't just receive over the air using an internal antenna?

My concerns about the TV tuner are not technical in nature. We don't have any TVs in the house and don't want to introduce one.

I see what you mean. No, you can't just use the TV unless you have something connected to it, at least for the most part.

Thanks. I'm waiting for my NEC to arrive.

In your earlier reply you said something about the tuner not using much power, and that caused me to check the power stats on the NEC. The specs claim it consumes 92W, which seems rather high, about 2/3 what my old 19" CRTconsumed. The 20" viewsonic I have is advertised to consume 46 W (typ) and the way I'm running it power consumption is 25 W, presumably because I turned the brightness down. Does the NEC really use double the power? Or does this have to do with reporting methods, like the 92 W is some kind of peak use that doesn't occur in reality as compared with the 46 W typical use?

I would have thought that the power consumption would mainly go to drive the backlight, in which case two monitors whose backlights have the same color temp and brightness ought to use the same power. Is that not the case? (Is there some reason for IPS to use more power than TN?)

(Do people use their monitors outside in the sun? Why do they need to be so bright?)

 

[Butterbean]

adrianmariano wrote:

"Does the NEC really use double the power?"

I would think the NEC could use double the power maxed out. The NEC brightness lists in spec as 470 cd/m2 while the Dell 2007WFP is 300 cd/m2. As I have read, the NEC AS-SIPS is suppossed to be brighter than basic S-IPS. I do know the NEC can get hot and give off a lot of heat in rear of display. I haven't used enough LCD's to know how it compares, but I have wonderd if the heat on NEC can be part of the issue for anyone who had any image persistence.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: adrianmariano

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: adrianmariano
So in order for the TV tuner to work it needs an antenna plugged into the coax input? It won't just receive over the air using an internal antenna?

My concerns about the TV tuner are not technical in nature. We don't have any TVs in the house and don't want to introduce one.

I see what you mean. No, you can't just use the TV unless you have something connected to it, at least for the most part.

Thanks. I'm waiting for my NEC to arrive.

In your earlier reply you said something about the tuner not using much power, and that caused me to check the power stats on the NEC. The specs claim it consumes 92W, which seems rather high, about 2/3 what my old 19" CRTconsumed. The 20" viewsonic I have is advertised to consume 46 W (typ) and the way I'm running it power consumption is 25 W, presumably because I turned the brightness down. Does the NEC really use double the power? Or does this have to do with reporting methods, like the 92 W is some kind of peak use that doesn't occur in reality as compared with the 46 W typical use?

The NEC 20WMGX2 does eat up more power than lesser LCDs because of its panel tech and bright backlight. I believe 92 W is peak but I don't know if lower brightnesses use less power. IANAEE. (I am not an electrical engineer)

http://www.powersystemsdesign.com/PCIM_Lighting.pdf (p. 59)

This seems to indicate that PWM'ed lights do use less power. LCDs always control brightness by using PWM on the backlight (even w/ LED backlights).

I would have thought that the power consumption would mainly go to drive the backlight, in which case two monitors whose backlights have the same color temp and brightness ought to use the same power. Is that not the case? (Is there some reason for IPS to use more power than TN?)

Well, IPS LCDs have twice as many transistors as a TN, so they do use some more power. (I hear 2-3 watts more on 14.1" IPS vs 14.1" TN). The 20WMGX2 tends to have a really bright backlight though since crystals in the S-IPS block more light.

(Do people use their monitors outside in the sun? Why do they need to be so bright?)

They are bright primarily for watching movies. Remember, the longer the distance the less bright it will seem ("apparent brightness" vs "luminosity"). For using monitors in the sun, transmissive LCDs are unsuitable. You should look towards transreflective or reflective displays, common in portable devices. They partly or fully use the sunlight as a sort of frontlight.

 

[Butterbean]

Am I corrrect to think "Ultramon" is better for running duals than "Multimon"?

I got second 20WMGX2 and now I might want a third after seeing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4lROt2AKI


I was reading an Anadtech review of a HP monitor and people still cry about "gloss".

Everytime I read that sort of thing I wonder what these people use monitors for because the are basically corrupting image quality to (try) and increase viewing comfort. They can't be very critical of their viewing material. I suppose if one were driving into the sun a dirty windshield might help lol. I was reminded of an article I saw where people were actually trying to strip the matte coatings of their TV's. The photos in this thread are older but interesting

http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8283

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Am I corrrect to think "Ultramon" is better for running duals than "Multimon"?

I got second 20WMGX2 and now I might want a third after seeing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4lROt2AKI


I was reading an Anadtech review of a HP monitor and people still cry about "gloss".

Everytime I read that sort of thing I wonder what these people use monitors for because the are basically corrupting image quality to (try) and increase viewing comfort. They can't be very critical of their viewing material. I suppose if one were driving into the sun a dirty windshield might help lol. I was reminded of an article I saw where people were actually trying to strip the matte coatings of their TV's. The photos in this thread are older but interesting

http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8283

That's awesome. I'd do it, if the device weren't $1000. I've got to try this on an old LCD sometime.

No idea about Ultramon and Multimon. I don't use them and I don't use Windows for dual monitors.

 

[Butterbean]

Thanks. I won't need multiware yet anyway. I didn't get lucky this time and new NEC has nasty backbleed from corners and other spots. Just touching frame on left side causes ripples to radiate out into field of view (it doesn't happen on right side - nor does it happen at all on first NEC). A fat stuck pixel on left side as well. I put both NEC's on Eizo display test and at same settings. You wouldn't guess they were same display looking at them side by side. I'll try the old exchange bit.