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xtknight

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Originally posted by: sephra
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Im pretty much torn between a 275t and a nec4960wuxi,

I assume you mean the LCD2690WUXi ( although NEC does make 46" displays ).

The 4690wuxi from what was said on the hardforums has had alot of issues. Which leads me with this problem... Do i spent 1100~ish on the 24 inch lcd that has some of its own issues. or do I go with the 275T, basically 3 inches bigger and 250~ish cheaper. With that in mind i Currently have a 191T, and the biggest problem i have is ghosting in CS:S, tft2 ghosting is hard to see(color related im sure, less black/white) As far as input lag is concerned I do not know what the 191T has. With that in mind, is it worth buying the nec vs the 275T.

OK, do you mean the LCD2490WUXi (24" $1100)?

I'm not sure if buying the NEC 24" over the Samsung is a better idea for most people. The Samsung 275T itself has great color accuracy and plus it has wide gamut while the LCD2490WUXi does not [have wide gamut].

ps i have no access to/nor intend on ever buying calibration hardware. (most calibration ill be doing is eyeballing it on a color scale ) with gameing/text work/minor video editing(fraps mainly) the extent of my use..


thx

The NEC is a great monitor although I think the Samsung is better for most people due to consumer-oriented features and wide gamut. It has a really nice black level too and a high contrast. I think you will be happier with the Samsung to be honest. Extremely picky photo editors will be better off with the NEC due to viewing angle stability and perfect sRGB color reproduction. Input lag may be less on the NEC by 1 frame or so, although the Samsung sports a 10 ms real-world response time. The NEC can be adjusted to be a little faster but it can't reach 10 ms. I'm guessing 15-20 ms. The Samsung monitor's uniformity is probably just as good, to most peoples' eyes, as the NEC's. NEC has had some burn-in and QC issues which IMO makes them a little less enticing.
 

sephra

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ya it was like 3am, i was definatly looking at the 24" not the 26", most things ive raid has favored with 24 over the problems of the 26. But ya, im a gamer more so than anything. still unsure of my decisions , wish i could see the panels locally .
 

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Just for giggles I made a quick vid of issues using still cameras video function (Canon S3). You can see the backbleed and how sensitive to pressure it is on left. At end you can see stuck pixel. The monitor was at 50% brightness/contrast using Eizo tests blackout function.
The NEC's are great and my first one was perfect in every way. This one is a real stinker for backbleed (equal to any Dell I had) but I consider it just part of the random poo so much a part of trying to score a good monitor.

Vid
http://video.google.com/videop...id=2158141964693972540

I'm not pushing as hard as it looks in vid.


NEC sent me a second new monitor. The new one also had intense areas of backbleeding but it stabilised over a couple days(the first one didn't). I don't have any "stuck pixels" this time either but I do have some sort of mark in lower right corner. I'm guessing its a patch of dead pixels. I don't mine dead pixels scattered around but this mark shows up a enough so that its obstrusive if not critical to anything. Is this mark a dead pixel patch? Any idead how many it takes to make a mark that size?

here is pic of lower right corner:
http://img159.imageshack.us/my...image=img2291ersv6.jpg




I got my 3rd replacement monitor from NEC. It has no stuck pixels or weird artifacts but it does have the infamous "image persistence" issue. Using monitor for just a couple minutes at 22% brightness will leave an image. I could use my first NEC on all day and get nothing. I notice that the NEC with issues gets hotter on top (on the panel itself) than my good one. I've heard of this problem going away after a week or so so I'll wait a few days to see what's what. NEC has been pretty good but three monitors with "issues" in a month makes me wonder if its not just a rubbish lot they have left over. Here is pic of image ghost:


http://img524.imageshack.us/im...078/mwsnap0014elq9.jpg
 

boglwe

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I was wondering if the Sharp 32 inchers @1080p are going to be included. These two LCD tv's offer an amazing option for some people.
 

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Thanks for the reply xtknight, I've taken a look at the 226bw and it is on my list of possibles along with the hp w2207 and a couple of others. But when I saw the staples monitor I wanted to get more info on it before I made any decision. I have seen the hp w2207 in home use and am leaning in that direction. I'll have to go through your list at the top of the tread more thoroughly before I jump.

 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: RobberBaron
I am looking to migrate from my good old 22" CRT to an LCD. I have been looking at the 22" & > avenue. It would mostly be for gaming, either mmo's or fps. Anyway, I have read a few dozen reviews as well as a good many in this thread and I am still on the fence looking at stuff. The samsungs have stuck out, for example the 226BW and the 275T, but are they my best bet? I like to get the most for my dollar, not cheap, but I want something that is going to meet my need for performance for a good while.

The Samsung 275T may be one of your best bets, but then there is also the Planar PX2611W which likely has less input lag.

The 226BW however provides fast response time and low input lag together, but it is much smaller than the 25.5-27" screens. Considering it's about a quarter of the price, it may be your best value. But if you're willing to spend the extra the 275T will certainly provide you with a much better picture (as will the PX2611W). Between the 275T and PX2611W I can't honestly say which is better for gaming but I'd lean towards the PX2611W due to its S-IPS panel. Slightly higher response time w/ low input lag isn't bad for gaming.

Ok, one last comparison, the Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC, How would you rank that against the 275T and PX2611W?

Too bad they couldnt just make a CRT that has a tiny foot print..:brokenheart:
 

MaestroJones

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Seeking Suggestion:

Currently on a 17" 1600x1024 monitor. I am looking to upgrade my entire system but I don't want to get rid of my current monitor. However, I am looking to go to a dual monitor setup. What would be a good-size monitor to complement my existing one, as I think a 24" would just overwhelm my other monitor.
 

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xt --- what do you use to clean your NEC?

I just tried some Monitor Lizard (no ammonia, etc.) and a very soft lint-free cloth. It *cleans* well enough in that it gets any gunk or fingerprints off, but I can't get it to dry without streaks. They don't show up against the monitor's lighting, but it's just annoying to look at in the daylight.

This sounds lame, but is my cleaning technique incorrect? I try to apply enough pressure to clean it well, without damaging anything. The screen shell is fairly resilient, I've noticed...
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: boglwe
I was wondering if the Sharp 32 inchers @1080p are going to be included. These two LCD tv's offer an amazing option for some people.

Do you happen to have the answers to my questions above? I guess I need a little idea of how good they are, subjectively too. Any clue what panels they may use based off the characteristics?

I see two models, and I assume these are what you mean:

LC32D62U: w/out Vyper Drive
LC32GP1U: w/ Vyper Drive

Which I believe is the only difference.

Originally posted by: boglwe
the Sharp 32inchers, 1080p's should be added to the list. I own one, I love it, its a great gaming monitor. I do Indesign and photoshop as well with it.

How is the overscan on them? I'd love to add some more monitors. If you don't know I'll see what I can find in regards to overscan.

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: boglwe
the Sharp 32inchers, 1080p's should be added to the list. I own one, I love it, its a great gaming monitor. I do Indesign and photoshop as well with it.

It does look like a great monitor. Unfortunately I have read you can't turn off dynamic contrast, making it a little less ideal for HTPC use. Can you confirm that on your unit?

It may still be suitable though I will have to make note of that in its entry.

It would also be nice if you could confirm whether or not every single pixel of the display is lit when hooked up to all of its connections (i.e., no "DVI/HDMI overscan").

From what I read, the "Vyper Drive" feature reduces scaler lag but I can't confirm this.
 

Artran

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Hey guys!

I recently bought a Samsung 226BW to replace my aging CRT and so far I'm pretty impressed with it. The image is very clear and the colors are pretty good too. Now I just have one nitpick, there is some backlight bleeding coming from the bottom. Now I know that for LCDs you will get some sort of bleeding, but I'd like to know, to what extent is a "normal" backlight bleed? In my case its only really noticeable when the screen is either completely black (where its most noticeable) or when there's a solid color running down the screen (the bottom is always a lighter shade than the top). It goes up a bit over half the height of the screen. I've tried reducing the brightness down (for my own eyes too ) but even if its at zero, you can still notice it. Is that as good or as bad as they get?
 

Ekta

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Hello there:

First of all I'd like to say that this has been a VERY knowledgeable post for someone like me that had no idea about LCDs but wants one. Thanks for putting all of this together, glad I found it!

I still had couple of questions if anyone could assist with me please...

1. I noticed that you have two different sections for recommended lcds for (hardcore) gaming
and (moderate) gaming/movies. Would I be able to enjoy my movies if I chose one of the
(hardcore) gaming recommended model?

2. Secondly, my computer is in use almost all day either it be for gaming, movies or work
related. This might be very general question, but what is the expected life of an lcd? How
long before I start seeing dead pixels etc...?

I was leaning towards a samsung model, but this lottery thing scared me away when I went to the local store (Futureshop). Their display and the first box that we checked were C models. It seems any model from samsung I chose had this lottery thing, not sure I want a samsung anymore...

Finally, I hope to see some Christmas sales show up. Also hoping that the Canadian retailers will slash some prices due to surging Cdn. $. I've noticed price difference as high as Cdn. $200 on some models.


Thanks for your time

Ekta


 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: HermitGuy
Thanks for the reply xtknight, I've taken a look at the 226bw and it is on my list of possibles along with the hp w2207 and a couple of others. But when I saw the staples monitor I wanted to get more info on it before I made any decision. I have seen the hp w2207 in home use and am leaning in that direction. I'll have to go through your list at the top of the tread more thoroughly before I jump.

The w2207 is a good idea. It's a glossy panel too so you expect good clarity (along w/ a little glare). It has a USB hub too and good ergonomics.

Originally posted by: RobberBaron
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: RobberBaron
I am looking to migrate from my good old 22" CRT to an LCD. I have been looking at the 22" & > avenue. It would mostly be for gaming, either mmo's or fps. Anyway, I have read a few dozen reviews as well as a good many in this thread and I am still on the fence looking at stuff. The samsungs have stuck out, for example the 226BW and the 275T, but are they my best bet? I like to get the most for my dollar, not cheap, but I want something that is going to meet my need for performance for a good while.

The Samsung 275T may be one of your best bets, but then there is also the Planar PX2611W which likely has less input lag.

The 226BW however provides fast response time and low input lag together, but it is much smaller than the 25.5-27" screens. Considering it's about a quarter of the price, it may be your best value. But if you're willing to spend the extra the 275T will certainly provide you with a much better picture (as will the PX2611W). Between the 275T and PX2611W I can't honestly say which is better for gaming but I'd lean towards the PX2611W due to its S-IPS panel. Slightly higher response time w/ low input lag isn't bad for gaming.

Ok, one last comparison, the Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC, How would you rank that against the 275T and PX2611W?

Too bad they couldnt just make a CRT that has a tiny foot print..:brokenheart:

The 3007WFP-HC would be quite ideal actually. It seems to have a great response time and low input lag. Just make sure you have enough graphics power to drive it. I won't be able to tell you how well it scales (or how the graphics card does, for that matter).

The 3007WFP-HC would have the wide viewing angles of the Planar with less uniformity issues. Sure it won't have quite the contrast of the 275T but it's still better overall, IMO.

Originally posted by: MaestroJones
Seeking Suggestion:

Currently on a 17" 1600x1024 monitor. I am looking to upgrade my entire system but I don't want to get rid of my current monitor. However, I am looking to go to a dual monitor setup. What would be a good-size monitor to complement my existing one, as I think a 24" would just overwhelm my other monitor.

1600x1024 or 1280x1024?

If you want to know my honest opinion I don't see the advantage of having dual monitor w/ a smaller LCD and a slightly bigger one. I think going all out with one big 24" (e.g. BenQ FP241W) is a good idea.

But if you want to stay with the 17" then a 20.1" like the NEC 20WMGX2 or Samsung 206BW isn't such a bad companion.

Originally posted by: xboxist
xt --- what do you use to clean your NEC?

I use Michigan faucet water.

I just tried some Monitor Lizard (no ammonia, etc.) and a very soft lint-free cloth. It *cleans* well enough in that it gets any gunk or fingerprints off, but I can't get it to dry without streaks. They don't show up against the monitor's lighting, but it's just annoying to look at in the daylight.

This sounds lame, but is my cleaning technique incorrect? I try to apply enough pressure to clean it well, without damaging anything. The screen shell is fairly resilient, I've noticed...

The NEC is pretty difficult to clean but circular strokes and gentle pushing with an old t-shirt generally works well for me. Often times I will just use tissues to clean off small blemishes. I'm usually happy with the results but off and on (like, say, now) there are some spots there. I'm just not very picky but by and large my screen looks very clean. Using long diagonal strokes is a mistake; they will leave long streaks every time. Just caressing the whole front of the screen with a large old t-shirt works great for cleaning off those little micro dust particles that get stuck over the subpixels and cause color shimmery effects.

In just five minutes I was able to eliminate all the specks on my NEC without leaving any streaks (although, some dust particulates are almost impossible to eliminate). For the spots that come back five minutes later I just use more pressure and they go away immediately. If your screen looks a little 'dirty' still it could just be ununiformity of the panel.

With anti-glare (non-glossy) LCDs you can just use whatever motion you want (medium-hard push in diagonal direction to get junk off is the most effective). Even milk chocolate washes off like a charm on anti-glare LCDs (don't ask).
 

MaestroJones

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Thanks for the suggestions...

And yes, I am running 1600x1024 on my SGI 1600SW. Old monitor but I love it.

Originally posted by: MaestroJones
Seeking Suggestion:

Currently on a 17" 1600x1024 monitor. I am looking to upgrade my entire system but I don't want to get rid of my current monitor. However, I am looking to go to a dual monitor setup. What would be a good-size monitor to complement my existing one, as I think a 24" would just overwhelm my other monitor.

1600x1024 or 1280x1024?

If you want to know my honest opinion I don't see the advantage of having dual monitor w/ a smaller LCD and a slightly bigger one. I think going all out with one big 24" (e.g. BenQ FP241W) is a good idea.

But if you want to stay with the 17" then a 20.1" like the NEC 20WMGX2 or Samsung 206BW isn't such a bad companion.

 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Artran
Hey guys!

I recently bought a Samsung 226BW to replace my aging CRT and so far I'm pretty impressed with it. The image is very clear and the colors are pretty good too. Now I just have one nitpick, there is some backlight bleeding coming from the bottom. Now I know that for LCDs you will get some sort of bleeding, but I'd like to know, to what extent is a "normal" backlight bleed? In my case its only really noticeable when the screen is either completely black (where its most noticeable) or when there's a solid color running down the screen (the bottom is always a lighter shade than the top). It goes up a bit over half the height of the screen. I've tried reducing the brightness down (for my own eyes too ) but even if its at zero, you can still notice it. Is that as good or as bad as they get?

Well, "half the height of the screen" is what scares me. I would expect no more than a quarter of the height to be bleeding. I think it is worth trying an exchange.

But yes normal bleeding only appears worst on black or mostly-gray shades.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Ekta
Hello there:

First of all I'd like to say that this has been a VERY knowledgeable post for someone like me that had no idea about LCDs but wants one. Thanks for putting all of this together, glad I found it!

I still had couple of questions if anyone could assist with me please...

1. I noticed that you have two different sections for recommended lcds for (hardcore) gaming
and (moderate) gaming/movies. Would I be able to enjoy my movies if I chose one of the
(hardcore) gaming recommended model?

With very few exceptions every LCD on the top list are OK for just about everything (except 971P/2407WFP-HC for gaming, and maybe some office work models, still arguable). The gaming models are good for movies since they have a fast response time and I try to pick gaming models that have decent colors, although it doesn't always end up being that way. The Multimedia models are most likely what you should be looking at if you spend a lot of time watching movies and playing games. The hardcore gaming section is just what it sounds like: if you play games four hours a day and have gotten accustomed to individual milliseconds or are competing in CAL...or, if for some reason you are hooking these LCDs up to a realtime device or do audio editing and need to see precise waveforms as clearly and hastily as possible. For most people the simple fact is that retinal persistence is more of a factor than a few milliseconds on the LCD. A 0 millisecond LCD has been proven to look blurry. Such sacrifices (color depth, uniformity, viewing angles) are simply not worth it for a few milliseconds in most cases.

2. Secondly, my computer is in use almost all day either it be for gaming, movies or work
related. This might be very general question, but what is the expected life of an lcd? How
long before I start seeing dead pixels etc...?

The backlight may dim after 40,000 hours of use, or so, on most monitors. At 24 hours each day, that's 4.5 years of use straight. Samsung states more optimistic estimates like 50,000 hrs backlight half-life on its 22" TN panel. I wouldn't take that as gospel but it's probably not so far off. It will very likely be usable or in quite good shape after 4 years of intense use. Apparently slight color fading may happen with CCFLs (the backlights used in 99% of LCDs). LED backlight models are very expensive and I don't think they last any longer but I'm not sure.

LCDs are as robust as anything else circuitry-wise. Generally the worst that happens is a few failed transistors (= dead or stuck pixels). IPS LCDs may have issues with burn-in over time but TNs especially seem to hold up very well. I'm not certain about VAs but they seem great too.

If the backlight fades over time you can always turn up the brightness to counteract this. Backlights are controlled by flickering so turning up the brightness will simply make it flicker less and give you more of what it has left in it.

Two dead pixels appeared on my Samsung 17" about a year and a half into its use while my ViewSonic 19" has been free for two years of a single dead pixel. My mom uses the 17" at the moment so I am not sure how that has progressed but I am guessing that my old 17" didn't use the new laser glass cutting tech, which decreases the likelihood of dead pixels. AUO panels like that in the ViewSonic 19" have been known for great lifetime when it comes to pixels. I believe new LCDs today age significantly better than any CRT produced today. But, CRTs produced years ago were done with much better quality control. CRTs will fade in brightness over time due to the phosphors being burnt, and will start to look blurry due to misconvergence. LCDs may develop dead pixels (although I tend to believe that this isn't all that common today as long as your LCD didn't arrive with any to begin with). Since LCDs 17" to 22" contain 4 to 8 CCFLs (cold cathode backlights), sometimes one will go out and it will leave you with a darker corner (or section) of the screen. To my knowledge this isn't very common either within usual lifetime specifications. They will probably simply fade, not die out. Using a lower bandwidth (resolution*refresh rate) on a CRT will make things appear clearer, although this is not the case with LCDs, at least over DVI.

I was leaning towards a samsung model, but this lottery thing scared me away when I went to the local store (Futureshop). Their display and the first box that we checked were C models. It seems any model from samsung I chose had this lottery thing, not sure I want a samsung anymore...

The LG L226WTQ is a great alternative if you are afraid of C panels, although I believe C panels in themselves are decent as the L226WTQ probably used a CMO panel at one point according to FCC docs/schematics on some L226* models.

Finally, I hope to see some Christmas sales show up. Also hoping that the Canadian retailers will slash some prices due to surging Cdn. $. I've noticed price difference as high as Cdn. $200 on some models.


Thanks for your time

Ekta

Maybe the L227WT is something you may want to look out for, which is a wide gamut (presumably) version of the 22" that is out now. These days I am more optimistic about the benefits of wide gamut. Even in TN displays they will provide a more natural image. That's assuming the LCD is equivalently good in all other aspects.
 

Ekta

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Thank you very much for a detailed reply, xtknight. I'm glad to hear that the lcds have much longer life then I thought it would be. Also, you're right about old CRTs and quality. My current monitor is almost 10 years old which actually came with my very first computer (HP). However, its starting to "fade" and makes some static noise once in a blue moon, which i guess isn't good heh.

 

etrin

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I have a plan for the next few weeks. I have an 1800 and an Acer 22"Wide screen. I am going to get an 8800GT card (if I can get one at decent price) and want to get a new 24"
monitor. 2 problems with this maybe, getting a 24" Widescreen for less than $500...desktop and games and getting the higher 1900 x1200 native to this size to run Crysis when it gets here, along with the other new games. I run XP not Vista so DX9

What 24 are out there that are a good price performance point ? Like I said games, no video editing and no movies.
Thanks for any help...ps like last year just before Christmas the 22 in wide fell over $200 and lots of sales, I picked up a samsung but it was Bad with the backlight bleed so I traded it for the acer on Christmas eve, was happy that CC let me do it and gave me the difference on card.

 

etrin

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thanks for the link BernardP I will check it out tonight.

I saw a user review of the Acer P241 and the specs are WOW but the final user thoughts and pics were not that great. Most problems seem to come from the Shiny coating on the monitor, But in another users words "mine is the P243 and its the one with the shiny reflective screen"

so who knows.

 

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It's been a while.

I'm one of the few 2407WFP-HC owners that experience the I'm sure aforementioned ghosting issue, and I believe I've got until 11/08 to make a decision as to what to do with it. While I could live with it, it is noticeable and gets irritating in games.

So my question really is, how's the 24-27 inch arena shaping up? I see that the Planar 26" hasn't dropped in price, what would be recommended to replace the 2407-HC? Multimedia use fits me most, lots of movies and gaming. I know that there's other highly(ish) regarded models like the BenQ 24" but that's running close in price to the Planar, though that's gotten mixed thoughts on HardOCP. I'm kind of flexible in price, though I'd like to think that shelling out over $800 would yield me a fantastic monitor, just not sure if that's the case.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: etrin
I have a plan for the next few weeks. I have an 1800 and an Acer 22"Wide screen. I am going to get an 8800GT card (if I can get one at decent price) and want to get a new 24"
monitor. 2 problems with this maybe, getting a 24" Widescreen for less than $500...desktop and games and getting the higher 1900 x1200 native to this size to run Crysis when it gets here, along with the other new games. I run XP not Vista so DX9

What 24 are out there that are a good price performance point ? Like I said games, no video editing and no movies.
Thanks for any help...ps like last year just before Christmas the 22 in wide fell over $200 and lots of sales, I picked up a samsung but it was Bad with the backlight bleed so I traded it for the acer on Christmas eve, was happy that CC let me do it and gave me the difference on card.

I don't know about a 24 <$500 but the HP LP2465 is $560 AR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176059

That's a great deal on a great monitor. It's certainly not worth saving $60 and getting a TN.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Montius
It's been a while.

I'm one of the few 2407WFP-HC owners that experience the I'm sure aforementioned ghosting issue, and I believe I've got until 11/08 to make a decision as to what to do with it. While I could live with it, it is noticeable and gets irritating in games.

So my question really is, how's the 24-27 inch arena shaping up? I see that the Planar 26" hasn't dropped in price, what would be recommended to replace the 2407-HC? Multimedia use fits me most, lots of movies and gaming. I know that there's other highly(ish) regarded models like the BenQ 24" but that's running close in price to the Planar, though that's gotten mixed thoughts on HardOCP. I'm kind of flexible in price, though I'd like to think that shelling out over $800 would yield me a fantastic monitor, just not sure if that's the case.

The BenQ FP241W (~$650) and Samsung 275T (~$980) are the primary competitors in this area. (Or, NEC LCD2490WUXi for $1000+.)

There isn't really a fast 24" wide gamut monitor yet. BeHardware continually reports no problems with the 2407WFP-HC (something doesn't add up).

The Samsung 245T (wide gamut) isn't bad if you disable its MPA function. I believe it is still fast, anyway. Unfortunately its input lag is min. 42 ms, a sight warranting a mourning. But who knows anymore how much input lag affects people... I am sure the most sensitive would notice it a lot in the 245T.

The Planar's uniformity quality seems not all that great. Apparently it has some response time issues too but I do know I'm not committing and buying it until X-Bit reviews it. The 275T is my next choice, most likely, or one of the NEC 90 series models.
 

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Hi everyone. First let me say thanks for the thread I have been checking it periodically for a while now and it's very helpful.

On to my question: I just got a Samsung 226BW. It is an "A" model, but I haven't had any of the kinds of issues I have read about it. In most regards it seems fine. The problem I am having is that when I am doing something like playing a game or watching a movie I get these horizontal lines across the screen. When I say lines I don't actually mean a distinct line but more of a break in the picture, like if you lightly adjusted the tracking on a VCR while watching a movie not so much as to cause any static bands or anything but just the strange quick shift in the image. This is painful and dizzying, and I'm not sure if it is a defect in the monitor or not. (is it something to do with the refresh rate? should it only be 60h at 1680 x 1050?) I have never really used an LCD steadily until now, but I have tried plugging it in as analog, updating drivers, and using it at lower res with higher refresh rate, none of these things have had a noticeable effect. Thanks for any help anyone can offer and thanks again for the thread I have recommended it to a number of people in the last year or so.
 

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Originally posted by: ZtL
Hi everyone. First let me say thanks for the thread I have been checking it periodically for a while now and it's very helpful.

On to my question: I just got a Samsung 226BW. It is an "A" model, but I haven't had any of the kinds of issues I have read about it. In most regards it seems fine. The problem I am having is that when I am doing something like playing a game or watching a movie I get these horizontal lines across the screen. When I say lines I don't actually mean a distinct line but more of a break in the picture, like if you lightly adjusted the tracking on a VCR while watching a movie not so much as to cause any static bands or anything but just the strange quick shift in the image. This is painful and dizzying, and I'm not sure if it is a defect in the monitor or not. (is it something to do with the refresh rate? should it only be 60h at 1680 x 1050?) I have never really used an LCD steadily until now, but I have tried plugging it in as analog, updating drivers, and using it at lower res with higher refresh rate, none of these things have had a noticeable effect. Thanks for any help anyone can offer and thanks again for the thread I have recommended it to a number of people in the last year or so.

have you tried enabling v sync?
 

ZtL

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I have, and unfortunately it had no effect. Also I'm not sure that is possible in VLC or other media players so I think the problem would still persist in movies even if I could fix it in 3D aps, though things would be much better overall.
 
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