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expeffect

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I'm also looking for a 20"+ LCD around the price of a Dell 2007WFP. The majority of usage would be split between video/movies and gaming. I'll mainly be watching head on, so I'll accept lower viewing angles, I would like widescreen though. Although I have frequent spurts of competitiveness in games, I'll also accept something suitable for a casual gamer.

I would've liked an IPS panel such as the 20WGX2 or the 2007WFP, however the NEC is the equivalent of USD$900 where I'm from, and the 2007WFP was discontinued a few months back.

I have compared some choices, but can't really come to a conclusion. Prices converted to USD.
w2207 ~$600 -- The w2207 is quite rare over here, which is probably a factor in the price. Way too expensive for a TN panel.

226BW ~$380 -- Panel lottery, Prad review highlighted some problems with artifacts and tends to have blocky pixel formations. THG review highlighted problems with DCR being slow with video playback.

E228WFP ~$307 -- Probably the cheapest option for me. Not height adjustable.

2208WFP ~$440 -- Relatively new, not much feedback on this. Dell does tend to have discounts regularly.

VX2255WM ~$490 -- An option, hard to justify the price.
 

VirtualBob

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The Samsung 215TW-TAA is the same unit as the 215TW. The TAA part was added apparently as the display is compliant with the Trade America Act (TAA). TAA requires that products be assembled within the United States or from an approved country list.

Also, both the 20wmgx2 and the 215tw are now showing out of stock from newegg...
 

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Soyo 24" 24D6

I originally posted this in the Hardforum. Thought I would share my experience here as well.

I also got lucky in that I went Friday afternoon (around 4PM) and they had 3 left in the back. I decided to pick one up even tho I have a 22" SAMSUNG coming from Best Buy. Office Max, like Best Buy has a 14 day return policy that is full refund, no restocking fee. I'm coming from a 19" Viewsonic, so this thing is huge compared to it. I got a July, 2007 model for those that are curious. I hooked it up and immediately looked for imperfections such as dead/stuck pixel and back light issues. Back light was uniform, but I did have one red stuck pixel at the very bottom where the power button is, but you have to lean down and really look for it to be noticeable. Once I was satisfied with that, I played around with the color settings and found a nice balance (out of the box was really bright). I have to say that this LCD is really nice for the price and from what I've been reading it has a true 8bit color panel instead of a 6bit like most LCD in this price range. Playing WoW on this was pure joy, almost felt like I was in the game, the screen is so huge. The colors are noticeably better than my Viewsonic. Overall it was a sweet first impression...

Move forward five hours and my new larger than life LCD developed a pencil like line from left to right in the middle of the screen. Move forward to this morning and a second line has developed just under that first line stretching from left to right as well. The funny thing is that in Office Max, the floor display model also has this same line, one going vertical and another horizontal. I am really disappointed, because I was really considering keeping this one and returning the Samsung. I still have the Soyo and I'm on the fence on whether to get a full refund right away or try another panel and cross my fingers, and hope for the best. I may just hold off and see how the Samsung stacks up to this display and make my choice from there.

I would advise anyone who bought this panel to get the Office Max service warranty for that extra sense of security. I think the 1 year warranty is like $29. It's well worth it in my opinion. It can save you a lot of aggravation if the display starts acting up after your return window is closed.

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It's too bad the girl didn't come with the monitor.

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Next to my Viewsonic 19"

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Here you can see the two dark lines going across the monitor.
 

rxblitzrx

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Is there any calibration software for a laptop? I'm having a crazy hard time getting my laptop TN panel (the POS that it is) to look half-way decent. It has integrated graphics and my main complaint is the viewing angles.

Is this something that can be corrected with calibration?
 

jmk13

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I'm looking for a lcd monitor for less than $220 bigger than my current 19" viewsonic crt. I'm looking primarily to play an xbox 360 on it and also as an alternative screen for my laptop and to play the occasional movie on. Any suggestions?
 

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Originally posted by: siik
is the Lenovo ThinkVision L220X worth the $499 price tag? 22" inches, S-PVA, 92% color gamut? thoughts?

Same with everything really: I don't know until X-Bit or THG reviews it. The fact that it's S-PVA is certainly encouraging, but doesn't mean much if, say, it had a horrible response time.

Originally posted by: Pugnate
Hi is it a good idea to exchange my VX2230WM for a 2232BW by Samsung?

No, not at all. Keep what you got, because it might be better. The 2232BW is now shipping with alternate panels too.

Originally posted by: birdiefest
Looking for some advice...I'm in the market for a new LCD. I'll be using mostly Photoshop. I shoot RAW files and I edit mostly in sRGB. I'm intrigued by the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 - seems like a great LCD and there is a good deal at NewEgg. I can't help but look at the larger screens - specifically the 24 inch like the BenQ FP241W.

I am looking for accurate color rendition, but I'm not manically obsessed with it. Would it be better to the the 20 inch widescreen with the IPS panel (20WMGGX2) versus the 24 inch widescreen with the MVA panel (BenQ FP241W)? The other 24 inch NEC LCDs recommended at the beginning of this thread are a bit out of my price range.

Thanks in advance!
David

The 20WMGX2 isn't an option anymore, sadly. At least not at Newegg.

But, the FP241W would suit you just fine too. Both only show their true colors (no pun intended) after being calibrated, anyway. But both have worthwhile defaults and good panel tech behind them.

Originally posted by: dushan42
Hi! First of all thanks for this insanely useful thread.

I thought it was time to replace my ancient 21'' Sony CRT with a shiny new LCD, however after a bit of research I am no longer so sure. The market seems to be a complete mess with poor quality panels, panel lottery, quality vs response time tradeoffs, questionable return policies, etc. Is there a new technology on a horizon that will achieve the speed/low cost of TN and picture quality of IPS? Should I hold on to my cash for another year or are things unlikely to improve?

Don't expect lower response times, but do expect technologies to help reduce motion blur like sharpening or backlight blanking. Hopefully backlight blanking will get to a point where it is not useless (right now, it has a very obvious flickering sensation). Sharpening though...hmm...I am not too optimistic about this either. It seems too difficult to get right, and rather pointless since response time is already very low.

The main problem these days is the persistence of the human eye. CRTs, of course, wipe the eye of the image every time they scan the screen with an electron gun. But, LCDs do not do this. So the backlight blanking is an attempt to simulate CRTs. Unfortunately, at this point, it has not been perfected.

It is quite shocking to me that the response time of current LCDs is actually bothersome to people, though. Sure there are a few duds out there, but I think the response time of LCDs today is fast enough for almost anyone. Butter smooth motion is nice, but it is not something you will see with LCDs, ever, in my estimation.

Input lag is a legitimate concern and I bet manufacturers will take a look at this sooner or later. Some panels like the 206BW and 226BW already have very low input lag.

At work I have a decent Dell 2007WFPb (21'', A03, V1B18 RT803, I think it's S-IPS). I'm happy with it - it's pretty good for programming (text is nice and crisp, easy on the eyes) and it's reasonable for gaming (no ghosting, nice colours). I'd buy it right now if not for the panel lottery (bad dell!). Can you recommend anything that would match this monitor but without the lottery?

The NEC 20WMGX2 certainly will, if you can find it for sale anywhere.

The Samsung 215TW may be an alternative for you if you aren't too sensitive to the input lag. Personally I believe this is a psychological phenomenon but I have also seen possibilities of this being related to a refresh/sync issue. Some say that installing the INF drivers helps. Others say they never experienced it at all in the first place.

I suppose you could take a chance with the 2007WFP; its alternate panel wouldn't be horrible but it wouldn't be quite the same as the S-IPS when it comes to default colors. With a colorimeter you may get closer.

I'm also tempted to go for a larger screen (21'' feels a bit cramped, x1200 resolution would be great for coding). Since the whole 22'' range seems like a no-no (they're all TN, right?), 24'' would be most logical. BenQ FP241W and HP LP2465 sound ok but I'm worried about response times. How do these perform with games? Does the text look as good as on S-IPS?

22" are all TN for now, but a couple S-PVAs (1680x1050 and 1920x1200 22") are on the way from Eizo and Lenovo.

The FP241W and LP2465 should perform brilliantly with games. Text should look quite decent and high contrast as well since they both use VA-type panels. I recommend the LP2465 personally since the FP241W has been having some issues (blackout).

Bestbuy has LG L246WP-BN which allegedly has the same panel as BenQ. Unfortunately the demo unit is hooked up to analog input & running at non-native resolution so it's really hard to tell if it's any good. Does anyone have the LG? Again - how's the response time?

I recommend against the LG. See the review here of a similar LG model: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...display/24inch_11.html

Many of you like the NEC 20WMGX2 and it does seem really good except for the price to inches ratio. Is the quality really so much better than the monitors I've mentioned above? Does it justify the price / lack of screen estate?

I paid $700 for it a year ago and I still think it was worth every penny. Even if something is slightly better, it might be worth $300 more to some people (which probably includes me). But, I believe the NEC is significantly better. If there were a 20.1" guaranteed S-IPS screen then I might have my doubts about the NEC being worth it, but as it stands the NEC 20WMGX2 is the only 20.1" widescreen panel sold in the US that is guaranteed to be S-IPS. Besides this, the NEC really takes the S-IPS tech and runs with it, offering great response time and a bright backlight.

In summary, there is really nothing that jumps out and makes me want to part with my money (I'd take my work dell right now but then I'd probably part with my job ). This is really a last ditch to find a monitor that I won't regret buying, any recommendations would be much appreciated.

The HP LP2465 will make you happy, I believe.
 

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Originally posted by: fiyawerx
After checking out the gateway fhd2400 at compusa, i'm really tempted.. been looking for a 24" gaming lcd around that price range, and between the specs / inputs (And I prefer the glossy look), it seems like a very nice monitor. Anyone actually have one of these yet? I found this review so far - http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,1558,2213483,00.asp, wondering if it will make a nice xmas present to myself, compared to one of the dell's which i've heard have some issues still. (And start to creep out of my price range) Any thoughts?

I think you would like the Gateway FHD2400 for gaming more than the 2407WFP-HC. The glossy screen is nice and the TN panel will be fast.

Originally posted by: redlinez33
Ok just another question, I have the Samsung 971P and you didnt recommend it because of "poor response time control". What does that mean exactly? I see the resposne time got good marks, just curious on what that statement means

Well if you read some of the reviews on Newegg about this monitor (and elsewhere), you will see reports of bright/inverse ghosting. That's a problem with the response time accelerator (overdrive chip) of this monitor. It isn't so desirable for gaming but probably OK for most other things. One person here found it annoying even for movies and got the ViewSonic VP930b instead. He ended up keeping the VP930b.

Originally posted by: DoctorM
@#$%@#!!!!!
Anyone have any other monitor suggestions for me?!?!?!

Give the Samsung 215TW a shot, even risking input lag. Just hope it's not an issue for you I guess. There's not much else you can do but try it. Several people have no problem with it.

Originally posted by: ASFink
I just tried to purchase the NEC 20wmgx2 at the very nice price offered on Newegg's website, especially given the extra $50 discount if paid for via your Paypal account. I was unable to do so, receiving an error message about "quantity limitations". I called customer service who verified that the item was apparently in stock in ample supply. The agent checked further and indicated that they had decided to "no longer" offer this unit for sale and were going to remove it from the website..although it still remains the last time I checked. Oh well...guess it was too good a deal?????

NEC has stopped shipping 20WMGX2s a while ago and Newegg just ran out of their stock, so that is that.
 

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Originally posted by: redlinez33
Well if i cant get the NEC, then it looks like I am either going to get a TN panel, or a samsung monitor, or keep my current monitor...

The monitors I am currently looking at are.

Samsung SyncMaster 215TW - Worried about its performance in games though, otherwise looks to be an awesome monitor

HP w2207 - Decent reviews? Dont know.....

LG L226WT (Q OR ?).

ViewSonic VX2255wmb (supposely good for games)

Atleast with LG and HP you can find it locally and see it

So confused now..

Give the 215TW a shot, like I told DoctorM. It is the best alternative to the 20WMGX2 and it came just in the nick of time. It doesn't have problems with response time (it is good here), just input lag and we still don't know why only some people notice it or have the problem.

Originally posted by: SirMasterboy
What would you guys currently suggest for a 20" Wide Gaming LCD under 400 bucks.

I do not like a 22 because of lower DPI and its just seems kinda big to me.

I really want the Fastest LCD I can get because hardcore gaming is my priority. Color needs to be good enough for normal use.

I really like the Samsung 206BW but I'm not sure about that lottery. The A seems ok once you calibrate it.

Truth be told when I looked the reviews on newegg its:
5: 1 egg
7: 2 egg
7: 3 egg
24: 4 egg
187: 5 egg

Only 1 or 2 of the reviews were under 5 star because they had an A panel. None of the reviews in the last month or so are under 4 eggs.

The rest of the bad reviews seemed like mostly dumb user problems.

I really wished I could have gotten the NEC 20wmgx2 but they are deactivated.

One question, if i get the open box, do I still get a NEC manufactures warranty at all?

Sorry, I have no idea.

So should I go for the Samsung or are there other 20" low response and more importantly low input lag LCDs for under 400 bucks?

Well, if you don't mind 21" the Samsung 215TW is a reasonable bet (simply see my preceding post for more info on this). Other than that, the HP w2007 is a decent option for gaming, and the LG L204WT is too.

Anything on the horizon if I wait a month or two?

I've just been too spoiled by this Dell 2001FP S-IPS it makes getting a new LCD hard.

It's possible. The LG L207WT is on the horizon, offering wide gamut and perhaps a good response time.

I bet more wide gamut 20.1" widescreen TNs will be appearing sometime soon, too.
 

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Originally posted by: rennya
I have just bought a 226BW, and got the S panel.
Actually I have considered avoiding 226BW altogether and has been evaluating the HP w2207 until I found a forum post from bcchardware.com that taught me how to determine what panel a 226BW uses just from the service info menu.

http://www.bcchardware.com/ind...temid=61&topic=1641.45

Here's the deal that should apply to all 226BW panel numbers.

M-ME22HOCAA-1002 should be a Samsung Panel, because of the location of the "A" in the model number. (x-xxxxxxxAx-xxxx).

Here are other letters and the relevant manufacturers.

* X-xxxxxxxAx-xxxx: Samsung panel.
* X-xxxxxxxLx-xxxx: AU Optronics panel.
* X-xxxxxxxDx-xxxx: CMO panel.
* X-xxxxxxxIx-xxxx: CPT panel.


I believe this to be accurate, and as a result, it looks like you have got a decent Samsung Panel. Are you happy with it, or does it look blue?

In Monday I went around a few computer shops (here in Malaysia we do not have Best Buy or equivalent) and some has 226BW on display. All of them are Made in Malaysia. Bringing up the service panel info predictably did not show what panel it uses, but it still shows the version number. Going around the shopping complex looking at all 226BW in display, and all have the same version number which is M-ME22H0CAA-1002 (the scaler used is not Genesis like many of the screenshots shown online but Mstar). At this time it is patently obvious to me that all shops here get the Samsung from a single source.

Comparing the version number to the quoted post above, it seems that all 226BW here has a S panel, but I do still doubt the validity of that info. I then decided to just get a 226BW so that I can pry open the back cover and see the make of the panel back home. The plan is if I do not get an S-panel, I will just go back and replace it with a w2207 at the penalty of the price difference (here the w2207 is cheaper than 226BW). After returning home with the 226BW, the first thing I do is to open the back cover and voila, a Samsung LTM220MI. This means I do not have to return the LCD anymore.

So, anyone here can confirm that you can divine what panel 226BW has by just looking at the version number inside the service panel? Just want to share the great info I found at the bcchardware forum if that was reliable.

Thanks for this info. In the US it seems like we get mostly A and C panels for the 226BW.

Originally posted by: DoctorM
The 215tw doesn't have delay numbers on this site, but their screenshots of 'best' gaming and text are completely unacceptable to me:
http://www.digitalversus.com/d...&mo2=104&p2=1040&ph=12

Well, the 215TW's response time isn't the best, sure. But, it's a great overall LCD and my guess is that it will make you happy. Response time isn't everything. I was certainly happy with my ~20 ms Samsung 710T for gaming and the 215TW is about the same with its overdrive. The only difference is it has much better colors, contrast, and viewing angles.

It's not a monitor for people who game all day, I suppose. But off and on I truly believe the 215TW would be just fine. I used my 710T all day and I was happy with it, actually.

Originally posted by: SirMasterboy
So whats the bottom line?

What's the best 20" gaming LCD for under 400,
and what's the best 22" gaming LCD for under 400?

NEC 20WMGX2/HP w2007 and LG L226WTQ/ViewSonic VX2255wmb, at least right now. I'll be adding the w2007 to the list soon. The L226WTQ will also be rising in ranks but I'll have to see if the overdrive issues have really been addressed for sure.
 

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Wow, both the 215TW and 20WMGX2 are "deactivated" at Newegg. We must have dried up all their stock.
 

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xtknight, I love your thread, I've used it for some time now. The one problem I have with it is that the "hardcore gaming" section has monitors that absolutely no hardcore gamer would use these days. As in 5:4 ratio stuff. Any gamer will tell you that you'd be crazy to not go widescreen, especially for fps and other competitive online games; were the extra viewing space is a big advantage. I don't think that just ms response time is the only factor anymore. Anyways, love the thread, keep it up.
 

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Originally posted by: expeffect
I'm also looking for a 20"+ LCD around the price of a Dell 2007WFP. The majority of usage would be split between video/movies and gaming. I'll mainly be watching head on, so I'll accept lower viewing angles, I would like widescreen though. Although I have frequent spurts of competitiveness in games, I'll also accept something suitable for a casual gamer.

I would've liked an IPS panel such as the 20WGX2 or the 2007WFP, however the NEC is the equivalent of USD$900 where I'm from, and the 2007WFP was discontinued a few months back.

I have compared some choices, but can't really come to a conclusion. Prices converted to USD.
w2207 ~$600 -- The w2207 is quite rare over here, which is probably a factor in the price. Way too expensive for a TN panel.

226BW ~$380 -- Panel lottery, Prad review highlighted some problems with artifacts and tends to have blocky pixel formations. THG review highlighted problems with DCR being slow with video playback.

E228WFP ~$307 -- Probably the cheapest option for me. Not height adjustable.

2208WFP ~$440 -- Relatively new, not much feedback on this. Dell does tend to have discounts regularly.

VX2255WM ~$490 -- An option, hard to justify the price.

Hmm...well the VX2255wm looks like the best choice out of all those. I would really stay away from the Dell 22" panels. But the 226BW, even w/ panel lottery, is a good possibility if you don't want to spend as much.

Originally posted by: Burpy
Soyo 24" 24D6

I originally posted this in the Hardforum. Thought I would share my experience here as well.

I also got lucky in that I went Friday afternoon (around 4PM) and they had 3 left in the back. I decided to pick one up even tho I have a 22" SAMSUNG coming from Best Buy. Office Max, like Best Buy has a 14 day return policy that is full refund, no restocking fee. I'm coming from a 19" Viewsonic, so this thing is huge compared to it. I got a July, 2007 model for those that are curious. I hooked it up and immediately looked for imperfections such as dead/stuck pixel and back light issues. Back light was uniform, but I did have one red stuck pixel at the very bottom where the power button is, but you have to lean down and really look for it to be noticeable. Once I was satisfied with that, I played around with the color settings and found a nice balance (out of the box was really bright). I have to say that this LCD is really nice for the price and from what I've been reading it has a true 8bit color panel instead of a 6bit like most LCD in this price range. Playing WoW on this was pure joy, almost felt like I was in the game, the screen is so huge. The colors are noticeably better than my Viewsonic. Overall it was a sweet first impression...

Move forward five hours and my new larger than life LCD developed a pencil like line from left to right in the middle of the screen. Move forward to this morning and a second line has developed just under that first line stretching from left to right as well. The funny thing is that in Office Max, the floor display model also has this same line, one going vertical and another horizontal. I am really disappointed, because I was really considering keeping this one and returning the Samsung. I still have the Soyo and I'm on the fence on whether to get a full refund right away or try another panel and cross my fingers, and hope for the best. I may just hold off and see how the Samsung stacks up to this display and make my choice from there.

I would advise anyone who bought this panel to get the Office Max service warranty for that extra sense of security. I think the 1 year warranty is like $29. It's well worth it in my opinion. It can save you a lot of aggravation if the display starts acting up after your return window is closed.

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It's too bad the girl didn't come with the monitor.

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Next to my Viewsonic 19"

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Here you can see the two dark lines going across the monitor.

Yup, the Soyo has had loads of problems like this. But you can't expect any less from its price...

Originally posted by: rxblitzrx
Is there any calibration software for a laptop? I'm having a crazy hard time getting my laptop TN panel (the POS that it is) to look half-way decent. It has integrated graphics and my main complaint is the viewing angles.

Is this something that can be corrected with calibration?

Most colorimeters support laptops.

Viewing angles can not be fixed whatsoever with calibration.

Originally posted by: jmk13
I'm looking for a lcd monitor for less than $220 bigger than my current 19" viewsonic crt. I'm looking primarily to play an xbox 360 on it and also as an alternative screen for my laptop and to play the occasional movie on. Any suggestions?

I don't know of any >=20.1" LCDs I would recommend that are under $220, actually. You're probably going to have to pay just a tad more and settle with a Samsung 206BW (~$250 AR) and use the VGA input for Xbox. It should work but I don't have any conclusive evidence right now.
 

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Originally posted by: DangerDave
xtknight, I love your thread, I've used it for some time now. The one problem I have with it is that the "hardcore gaming" section has monitors that absolutely no hardcore gamer would use these days. As in 5:4 ratio stuff. Any gamer will tell you that you'd be crazy to not go widescreen, especially for fps and other competitive online games; were the extra viewing space is a big advantage. I don't think that just ms response time is the only factor anymore. Anyways, love the thread, keep it up.

Well, I don't think so either.

I am aware many changes need to be made actually, I just haven't had the time. I have been mostly spending it just answering your guys' questions in the thread rather than updating the OP. But whenever I get some time I want to revamp the gaming section. A lot of the low millisecond LCDs are drying up now, especially at the 20.1" and 22" sizes (or there are panel lotteries making previous recommendations unsuitable).

I don't like to lower the standards too much (hey, if you lower them too much you could just recommend any LCD), but the current market sometimes calls for it. On the other hand, the fact I've been so scrutinizing is the very reason why most of you haven't ended up with absolute crap.

One big impediment to recommending LCDs for gaming is the whole "input lag" thing. I'm really skeptical of it myself. I can understand that LCDs can't process the frame quite as fast and acknowledge that they do indeed lag 2 frames according to camera pictures, but the notion this actually affects humans much is what I find dubious.

At the 24" size however, when we talk about 4-5 frames of input lag, then I can see where it starts to come into play. Unfortunately, there are few 24"s without the problem. But the TNs, Samsung 245BW and Gateway FHD2400 offer some solace here (er, at least the former does from the reviews I've seen).

Right now, I'm not even sure if the "hardcore gaming" section should still exist anymore. I have in there 19" panels that are lightning fast, but 24" ones that have a good amount of delay. So, all of a sudden it seems like this section is a paradox. I do want some reassurance this section is actually worth updating. My own skepticism about input lag can sometimes get in the way of what I put up there. But response time I try and always pay attention to. There's nothing you can do about the input lag on 24" panels but you just have to find the ones with the fastest response times.

I think we all need to lower our standards at this point right now. Guaranteed S-IPS panels, for all intents and purposes, no longer exist at reasonable prices. TN panels are advancing, at least somewhat, but panel lotteries are getting in the way of the truly good TN panels coming down the pipeline. VA panels are always a good choice but input lag can be a problem at higher sizes, and at lower sizes VA panels are drying up as well.

Right now, definitive choices for 20.1" panels are limited. The LG 20.1" panels may have some issues with response (L204WT is not a speeding bullet, and L206WTQ could have overdrive problems). The Samsung 206BW is involved in a panel lottery, and the 205BW, the previous recommendation, no longer exists. The HP w2007 is a good choice if you like glossy panels. NEC 20WMGX2 is out of stock. And I'm not sure what we have left but it's time to do more searching, I suppose, and find the next best.

I'm not sure if the 215TW will cease to exist or what. It has not been in stock for the past few months and only came back into stock recently. I bet Newegg was just selling what they had left? "Deactivated" does not sound good.

Then again, there is the HP f2105 which might be another choice. I don't know about response time there, though.

The Dell 2007WFP is looking like more of a possibility every day. At least you do get either a VA or IPS panel which isn't a horrible dilemma. At least, it's not quite as bad as the TN panel lotteries you get with the 226BW where you get practically faulty panels with response and gamma adjustment problems.

I think manufacturers are spending time trying to get wide gamut LCDs out. And hopefully then (maybe a couple months), we will have many more promising LCD options from the manufacturers we know and trust (Samsung, LG, Dell, NEC, HP). I am hoping for this.

Lack of reviews for current models is also a big problem. I haven't seen any sort of review at all for the LG L206WTQ yet.

LCDs I believe I will add soon are:
- Gateway FHD2400 (glossy)
- HP w2007 (glossy)
- Samsung 245BW (matte)
- HP w2207 (glossy)->Gaming
- L226WTQ->Gaming 22" if overdrive issues solved

The new goal is no longer to find LCDs that are good for a specific purpose, but LCDs that are good at all.
 

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Well since the 215TW is sold out as well, now what should I do

is the HP 2207 or whatever a bad monitor? or is viewsonic better?

Maybe I should just wait until next year?
 

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Originally posted by: redlinez33
Well since the 215TW is sold out as well, now what should I do

is the HP 2207 or whatever a bad monitor? or is viewsonic better?

Actually I think you'd like the HP w2207 better. Many people like the glossy screen on it.
 

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xtknight: I think task specific categories is still a good idea in my mind. Although I'm looking for more diversity for my own display, it's still a good way to assess strengths/weaknesses (especially when a specific model is recommended in more than one category.)

Most definitely hang on to the Hardcore Gamer section. Some of the last people continuing to cling to CRTs are gamers.
 

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In my experience TigerDirect is a pretty reliable e-store. I don't know what their policy is on LCDs though.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
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I bet more wide gamut 20.1" widescreen TNs will be appearing sometime soon, too.
some of the 206BWs have wide gamut panels now by AUO. I mentioned this in a post I made a couple of weeks ago I'll post it when I find it.
 

dushan42

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Don't expect lower response times, but do expect technologies to help reduce motion blur like sharpening or backlight blanking. Hopefully backlight blanking will get to a point where it is not useless (right now, it has a very obvious flickering sensation). Sharpening though...hmm...I am not too optimistic about this either. It seems too difficult to get right, and rather pointless since response time is already very low.

The main problem these days is the persistence of the human eye. CRTs, of course, wipe the eye of the image every time they scan the screen with an electron gun. But, LCDs do not do this. So the backlight blanking is an attempt to simulate CRTs. Unfortunately, at this point, it has not been perfected.

It is quite shocking to me that the response time of current LCDs is actually bothersome to people, though. Sure there are a few duds out there, but I think the response time of LCDs today is fast enough for almost anyone. Butter smooth motion is nice, but it is not something you will see with LCDs, ever, in my estimation.

Input lag is a legitimate concern and I bet manufacturers will take a look at this sooner or later. Some panels like the 206BW and 226BW already have very low input lag.

It's the input lag that worries me most - I've been put off several otherwise perfectly good monitors because of lag of 30ms or more. At 50Hz that's 1.5 frame delay - and considering that the frame being sent to the monitor is already several frames behind the input, that can really add up. The frustrating thing is that I know acceptable technology exists today - the S-IPS monitor at work is great for games and doesn't have TN's viewing angle problems. It's a shame that manufacturers moved away from that type of panels in their mainstream ranges.

The NEC 20WMGX2 certainly will, if you can find it for sale anywhere.

Well I missed the boat on that one - hopefully in a year or two when I'll get bored with my 226WB, there will a spiritual successor to 20WMGX2 - but 2'' bigger

22" are all TN for now, but a couple S-PVAs (1680x1050 and 1920x1200 22") are on the way from Eizo and Lenovo.

The FP241W and LP2465 should perform brilliantly with games. Text should look quite decent and high contrast as well since they both use VA-type panels. I recommend the LP2465 personally since the FP241W has been having some issues (blackout).

I gave up on 24'' due to price and fear of lag. Monitors in the $600 range generally have some downside to them and at that price I don't want a compromise. No-compromise 24'' are over $800 and that's a bit more than I'd like to spend .

The HP LP2465 will make you happy, I believe.

I was extremely close to buying this monitor, but was put off by the input lag and the price . If only one of the two was a bit lower... Thanks for the recommendation anyway!
 

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Really if you're looking for no compromise below $600 there are still sites selling the 20wmgx2.

While I wouldn't spend $200 over what New Egg was just selling them for, $566 (shipped) is still a good price compared to when they first came out.
 

redlinez33

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whats weird is, Neweggs website does not say SOLD OUT, it says deactivated...

Maybe this is a temp thing for some reason?
 
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