[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TempletonPeck
I'm not looking for a TV at all, I was looking at them as an alternative to getting a TN panel. What I really want is a VA/IPS panel monitor for multimedia use.

I just couldn't find one here in Canada anywhere.

You can get a 2007WFP from Dell.ca. Even if ordering online is a fear of yours, Dell has a pretty good policy. I don't believe they give refunds but you can exchange to get refurbs if you are unhappy for any reason with your current unit (e.g. 1 dead pixel).

Understandably this is taking quite a risk if you don't know what a VA or IPS panel is like. If there are any non-TN panels at all at your local stores (some 24"s if you're lucky) then use these as a judge. Or, LCD TVs are even a pretty good indication and most of these are not TNs. LCD monitors aren't much different from the TVs with regards to image quality. The first step is making sure you're fine with a VA panel since the panel lottery is in effect for the 2007WFP. There are plenty of VA TVs, but a lot of IPS ones as well, but make sure you know which type you're looking at. If you have a good eye this is possible just by looking at the screen.

Whenever darker scenes come up it is very easy to tell (VA will reveal more details as you move your head, IPS's image will remain largely stable). A VA panel will also fade and shift a little at extreme angles, and an IPS's brightness will barely move at all. If you notice any sort of yellow/fading/washing tint, suspect VA. If you see black get noticeably purple from other angles, suspect IPS (although this won't happen on all IPS TVs since some have been polarized with film which prevents this effect). IPS can be detected by virtually perfect viewing angles.

At least this gives you some idea:

http://www.digitalversus.com/d...6&mo2=105&p2=1041&ph=8

S-IPS on left, S-PVA on right.

 

[TMoney468]

Just in regards to the 2007WFP, I live in the US but just ordered one last night from Dell Small Business. It seems Dell has discontinued it so I figured I might as well get one while I can. I has a 6+ week shipping time so there must only be a few left wherever they have them. I have the A03 version of the monitor and it's an S-IPS screen and it's great...and over at Hard Forum a lot of people mentioned that the last ones the Dell has been shipping seem to be 95% S-IPS panels.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JASTECH
xtknight, The LCD2490WUXi-BK-SV looks like the one to get. I can't find any reviews on it so far so I am trying to read up on it. I did notice in the specs it has a 12bit LUT, that is the highest I have seen so far. And yes you are correct on the EIZO, I looked up the price and I sit here waiting for my trousers from the washer machine, ROTFL! 5,000.00 for a monitor is too much like you stated. I will keep an eye on the LCD2490WUXi-BK-SV for reviews and prices, I can get it from my vendor for 1000+. Thanks, JAS

Well I believe the Eizo has a 14-bit LUT but it is getting to the point of diminishing returns. But face it, the bigger the number the more people will buy it. Unless of course they know anything.

Good luck with the LCD2490.

 

[imported_ADDICTION]

Hi all guys

I want to buy a new display with Christmass but I don't know if I should pick the HP W2207H or the Dell 2208WFP... The monitor is going to be used to play games, movies, and I'm prolly going to buy a TV-tuner too.

I hope you guys can give me a clear answer!

Thx in advance

Addiction

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: ADDICTION
Hi all guys

I want to buy a new display with Christmass but I don't know if I should pick the HP W2207H or the Dell 2208WFP... The monitor is going to be used to play games, movies, and I'm prolly going to buy a TV-tuner too.

I hope you guys can give me a clear answer!

Thx in advance

Addiction

First off...Welcome to AT!!

Next...
What is your budget like?

 

[imported_ADDICTION]

Thx

Let's say about ?400

Dunno how many USDollar that is.

 

[Cheex]

At the current rate that is ~US$584.

Which is more than enough to cover this:
DoubleSight DS-245W Black 24"

Getting good reviews so far. In fact, I'm considering it as well.

The best thing about this monitor though is that it is made with a true 8-Bit Samsung S-PVA panel.

:thumbsup:

 

[imported_ADDICTION]

The design isn't as good as with the Dell and HP display I mentionted earlier. It's the first time besides I hear anything of 'DoubleSight'... I can't find any shops in Belgium nor the Netherlands that offer that brand.

 

[alcoholbob]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Astrallite
It's all about reading online return policies. Some of these etailers will not only give you a 30 day guarantee, they will even pay return shipping (have a truck come pick it up) if you want a return/exchange. Those are the only merchants I'll do business with when I spend over $200.

Mind listing any places that do this? It would be a great service.

I stick with Newegg most of the time just because I freakin' love them. But understandably, "shopping around", so to speak, can be beneficial. I know Dell's policy lets you return for a refurb repeatedly, before 21 or 30 days after purchase passes. Not sure of exact details.

I know a lot of the brick and mortar stores have better online policies too.

In other news I will have a review of the NEC LCD2690WUXi (especially compared to consumer monitors like 20WMGX2/VP930b/L226WT) up in the next couple of weeks.

Can't wait for the review. A lot of times when I go through Google Product search I'll start searching by price, low to high, read their return/RMA policies, and finally check out resellerratings for the merchant. I'm sure there are tons of merchants that have better policies but here are some I've done business with:

CostCentral has the pickup policy for return shipping (they actually send a FedEx truck to pick up your goods), although their return policies are 15 days only, but they will credit you in full if it is defective (although 15% restocking fee applies if it is non-defective). For factory new items it takes a bit of time to RMA if its a costly item (since they have to send it to the manufacturer, and if RMA is accepted by manufacturer, CC will send you a new factory sealed item.)

TigerDirect has a 30-day return policy, no questions asked, no restocking fee, although they don't have a pickup policy. This includes refurbished or factory sealed items, they will simply take them back.

TechForLess will issue you a shipping label for items you wish to return. This supposedly only reflects on items that are defective, but you can simply declare the item is defective and they will send you the shipping label, since they honor your word. Also, when I returned items to them they credited the items back no questions asked.

As far as I know these merchants will issue you an RMA number if it is within their return policy number (15-30 days) although if you ask for an exchange and the next one is defective you get another 15-30 day extension for returns/exchanges.

As I said before, this is a very small sample and I am certain there are lots of merchants that have policies that supersede these.

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: ADDICTION
The design isn't as good as with the Dell and HP display I mentionted earlier. It's the first time besides I hear anything of 'DoubleSight'... I can't find any shops in Belgium nor the Netherlands that offer that brand.

They aren't a popular brand but Doublesight was first known for the 17" and 19" versions of this monitor as an all in one alternative for the DualHeadToGo.

May not be popular but the monitor I linked you to has a very good panel.

I'm SERIOUSLY considering it for myself. I hope the good reviews on it continue until I have enough money to get mine

:thumbsup:

 

[TMoney468]

Cheex, would that 24" DoubleSight be comparable to a Dell 2007WFP with image quality and color accuracy? And do you know how that DoubleSight compares to the HP LP2465?

 

[imported_ADDICTION]

I did some research but I can heardly find any reviews by an recognized website. Doublesight monitor aren't availble in Europa, so if I want go get one of those I need to let it come from America, which is dangerous.

That 24" monitor of Doublesight costs only 310 ? so that's VERY cheap for an 24" with an S-PVA panel...

 

[imported_The Jester]

Does anybody know anything about the LG L226WTG-WF and Samsung 226CW monitors and how they stack up to the Samsung 226BW (S panel) for gaming?

 

[GeneralOreo]

So if I have 500/600 dollars for a monitor upgrade from a 20WMGX2, what would I buy? Is there really something that'd be an upgrade? Mostly I'm concenred about:

- response time.
- response time.
- response time.
- scaling of low res material.
- inputs (component, HDMI).
- must be widescreen.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing out there but it doesn't hurt to ask.

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: TMoney468
Cheex, would that 24" DoubleSight be comparable to a Dell 2007WFP with image quality and color accuracy? And do you know how that DoubleSight compares to the HP LP2465?

I'm not 100% sure but the panel used in the DoubleSight could very well be the same panel as the one used in the HP LP2465.

Samsung LTM240M2

In which case, the quality would be the same. :thumbsup:

 

[alexthebored]

If a monitor doesn't have an HDMI input, but is DVI with HDCP compliant, would a DVI/HDMI cable produce an image as good as a straight HDMI cable?
Minus the fact that you won't have sound of course.

 

[alexthebored]

Double post

 

[TMoney468]

Originally posted by: alexthebored
If a monitor doesn't have an HDMI input, but is DVI with HDCP compliant, would a DVI/HDMI cable produce an image as good as a straight HDMI cable?
Minus the fact that you won't have sound of course.

It should, because the video part of the HMDI cable/input is the same as DVI...then only thing HDMI has is that it is able to carry digital audio as well. So I would think this would only matter when/if you're planning to hook up your monitor to your TV as well.

 

[TMoney468]

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: TMoney468
Cheex, would that 24" DoubleSight be comparable to a Dell 2007WFP with image quality and color accuracy? And do you know how that DoubleSight compares to the HP LP2465?

I'm not 100% sure but the panel used in the DoubleSight could very well be the same panel as the one used in the HP LP2465.

Samsung LTM240M2

In which case, the quality would be the same. :thumbsup:

Cheex, you're right. From Prad.de:

In the LP2465, Hewlett-Packard incorporates an S-PVA panel (LTM240M2) by Samsung. Sporting a maximum contrast of 1000:1, this panel accounts for a high contrast range and accordingly good black levels.

Seems like the same panel as the HP but for about $100 less! Hmm...should I or shouldn't I cancel my 2007WFP order for one of these...

 

[Cheex]

I'm glad you could find a source to confirm this.

I really like it but financially I'm so far off...

 

[Nnyan]

Originally posted by: The Jester
Does anybody know anything about the LG L226WTG-WF and Samsung 226CW monitors and how they stack up to the Samsung 226BW (S panel) for gaming?

Do a search for L226/ 226CW/226BW and you'll find plenty of threads discussing these monitors. First post even lists most if not all of these in the rankings.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ADDICTION
Hi all guys

I want to buy a new display with Christmass but I don't know if I should pick the HP W2207H or the Dell 2208WFP... The monitor is going to be used to play games, movies, and I'm prolly going to buy a TV-tuner too.

I hope you guys can give me a clear answer!

Thx in advance

Addiction

I would go with the HP myself. The 2208WFP may not be much improvement over the Dell E228WFP (but I don't know for sure). The HP is the safest option here. It is a glossy panel.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: The Jester
Does anybody know anything about the LG L226WTG-WF and Samsung 226CW monitors and how they stack up to the Samsung 226BW (S panel) for gaming?

The 226CW may have more input lag, but it is wider gamut. If you think you're sensitive to input lag the BW is a better idea.

Here's a good write-up: http://www.widescreengamingfor.../viewtopic.php?t=12315

Many people can't even notice the input lag as you'll see in the link above.

At least with the CW you're sure you get an S panel so in that way it's better than the BW (many BW variants have ghosting problems). Better than the BW(S) panel? Probably not since the BW(S) is known for very low input lag and no ghosting issues.

Input Lag

No idea about the LG L226WTG.

 

[Nnyan]

I wonder how the DoubleSight DS-245W compares to the Gateway FHD2400?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: GeneralOreo
So if I have 500/600 dollars for a monitor upgrade from a 20WMGX2, what would I buy? Is there really something that'd be an upgrade? Mostly I'm concenred about:

- response time.
- response time.
- response time.
- scaling of low res material.
- inputs (component, HDMI).
- must be widescreen.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing out there but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Well, there is nothing that is IPS in the $500-600 range. But, there are at least a couple good VA options.

The HP LP2465 is one of them, as is the BenQ FP241W.

Notes on LP2465's interpolation quality: http://prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-lp2465-part12.html

LP2465 has no inputs other than DVI/VGA, unfortunately. So the FP241W is more suitable here, but I don't know how well the FP241W interpolates.

Response time is the best you'll see in 24" VAs.

The Gateway FHD2400 is a glossy TN option with great response time and probably a low input lag. Not sure about interpolation options...