[Retired] The LCD Thread

[czajunia]

Me again. I have a technical question this time about Black levels in S-IPS panels. I am considering getting either NEC 20WGX2 or Hazro's 24'' S-IPS model. I know that there are kind of different sizes but as there isn't a good, reasonably priced 24'' IPS monitor I think I may not upgrade to the next size up just yet. Anyway, after reading Hazro HZ24W I am a bit confused by the test results.
I know that the blacks are not the strongest point of IPS panels but in the above mentioned review they measured black point (cd/m2) at around 0.4 and concluded that it is pretty average. The same web page tested NEC 20WGX2 and after calibration this monitor achieved the 0.3 score and with a dynamic contrast ratio control it went down to 0.2. I know that dynamic contrast is only useful in movies/games but the Hazro doesn't offer any contrast booster so it won't improve overall experience at all.

So, is the level of 0.4 really that bad and does it show in the real life usage especially where the blacks should be really nice - games, films? Or is it purely technical index and a user won't see any difference between the monitor that scored 0.3 and 0.4?

Also, the measured contrast ratio dropped to 321:1 after calibration from almost 700:1. Is it very bad?

Thank's a lot!

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: czajunia

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

There isn't a 20WMGX2 Pro as far as I know. There is:

- 20WMGX2: The "multimedia" version that was sold in North America.

- 20WGX2: The European version, same monitor without the tuner and extra A/V inputs. This one was later updated and renamed the 20WGX2 Pro. Allows scaling on DVI, while the M only allowed scaling on the video inputs.

I don't know about the Pro, but the 20WMGX2 is out of production.

Thank's Buck! I just had a quick look and I think you are right. I must have read somewhere on the web about 20WMGX2Pro and it was meant to be 20WGX2Pro. That's probably why I couldn't find too much information about this. I am so stupid Anyway, so the 20WGX2Pro is essentialy the same as 20WGX2 (doesn't have extra A/V inputs obviously) and allows scaling on DVI but everything else is the same - I am mostly concerned about the panel (and the rest of nice bits about the monitor as well). I was a bit worried that they cut some corners as Dell did with their 2007 panels. Do you know if it offers typical 3 scaling modes (1:1, aspect, and full screen)? Or is it different here?
Thank's again!!!

According to TFT Central, the panels are the same in all three: 20" WS Philips AS-IPS (LM201WE2).

From what I've read, the Pro is exactly the same as the original 20WGX2. Neither have the multimedia features (tuner, extra inputs), but both offer the 3 scaling modes you mention. The 20WMGX2 (North America) has the multimedia features, but DOES NOT allow scaling on DVI/VGA.

Personally, I'd prefer the European version, because I have no need for the tuner and extra inputs, but DO want an internal scaler...but it depends how you plan to use it, I guess.

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong


Personally, I'd prefer the European version, because I have no need for the tuner and extra inputs, but DO want an internal scaler...but it depends how you plan to use it, I guess.

The same here. I can always buy a TV tuner if I want but can't get scalling later on. Besides the 'M' version seems to be no longer officialy available and has not been available in Europe at all as far as I know (I'm in UK).

 

[asintu]

Originally posted by: czajunia

Originally posted by: asintu
Are there any 24'' monitors able to do 1:1 scaling?

Dell 2407WFP and -HC as well
BenQ FP241W (but be careful with early models) and FP241WP

What happened to early models of fp241w? do fp241wp have problems too?
what's the difference between these models anyways?

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: asintu

What happened to early models of fp241w? do fp241wp have problems too?
what's the difference between these models anyways?

I don't think they had problems with 241W in general - the scalling wasn't simply implemented in firmware and after some time they started selling monitors with updated firmware. That's all AFAIK. I would assume that if you can get hold of 241W (I hear that they stopped selling them in US) it will be updated version anyway but you can always check before you buy it.

The main difference between FP241W and FP241WZ is that the 'Z' version features a different panel (A-MVA from AUO) vs Samsung's P-MVA, a Black Frame Insertion mode (which apparently doesn't work that well). Dunno if there are any other differences.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: carquote

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: carquote
I was in the store today looking at the samsung 245bw and noticed that there were 2 different color boxes for them. When I looked further to see what the difference was I saw one said made in Mexico and one China. Which one is better and is one better to avoid? Also, I have read mixed reviews for this monitor. For around $400 is this monitor a good deal? That is really the most I am willing to spend, I was originally looking at 22" monitors, but for $400 I am now considering it as well as the Dell E248WFP, both of which are $400. If anyone knows of a better lcd for less than this amount I would love suggestions. I will be using it for mainly gaming and general use, with light photoshop and video work. Thanks!

Mexico vs. China...I'm not sure there is really a difference just because it was manufactured somewhere else. But it has been the case with some panel lotteries where ones manufactured in country X used more S panels. The 245BW uses only one panel as far as I know.

If you're considering a 22" TN you might as well consider a 24" TN. The 245BW really is decent but it's a TN which pretty much rules out most off-axis (viewing angle) use. It's still a pretty decent monitor though and probably worth it to a lot of people for its lower price. I don't know of a better LCD for the price. Unless you can find the Gateway FHD2400, which is glossy, but its reproduction of dark tones isn't that great. It does have a lot of inputs though, good for console gamers.

Thanks xt! So if you were purchasing the 245bw would you get the one made in Mexico or China? Assuming they are both the same, as no one has stated any differences, are electronics from china generally regarded as better made than those from Mexico? I know this is probably an assumption, but it seems like everything today is made in China, including most electronics that I know of. Although I may get lead poisoning from the one made in China

LOL it sure beats GHB.. but if nothing else this is the first thing that came to mind.

As for the panel quality in either country, I have no idea. I think 226BW "S" panels were manufactured more in Europe and Asia though so maybe that implies something, even though we're talking about the 245BW.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
OK, so would you agree that if I'm looking for an NEC 24" because I can't find a 20WMGX2-BK, I should get the 2470WNX rather than the 24WMCX? The 2490 is a bit more than I wanted to spend, and from what I've read lags as much as any other 24" (2 frames or so average), even though its an IPS rather than a PVA.

Yes, you should probably get the 2470WNX because the 24WMGCX is a TN.

I just saw that the Planar 26" IPS dropped $100 at NewEgg, and is now $869...whats your opinion of that one?

Thanks again for answering all my stupid questions. I really appreciate this thread for taking alot of the stress out of the selection process, especially since I am almost unable to believe the ridiculous compromises (narrow viewing angles, input lag, etc.) one has to consider when spending almost $1000 on an LCD.

Opinions of the PX2611W vary widely. I think it's like the 20WMGX2; if you set it up correctly, it's great. So you really should consider it. Note the flimsy menu interface though. Many people prefer the Samsung 275T (it's S-PVA but definitely a better overall package). The 275T is more expensive though and the PX2611W even has some image quality advantages over the 275T so give it a try.

I don't recommend it on the OP because I haven't seen a favorable pro review of the PX2611W yet (at least not from X-Bit, THG, BeHardware, etc.)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Low Radiation
Quick question for pros, i didn't read the whole thread, sorry.

I'm thinking of getting NEC 2190uxi or 2490wuxi. It will be used for gaming too and i'd like to know how good are they for that? I don't expect the speed of fastest tn panels, but is it just good enough? Some comparisons with popular monitors would be nice.

thanx

The LCD2190UXi is rather unacceptable even with RTC enabled. See here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...sional-monitors_5.html

The LCD2190UXp however is much better. And I would say the p is certainly suited to gaming.

The LCD2490WUXi I don't have any hard data on, but if the LCD2690WUXi is any indication, it should be more than fine. I'd be a little afraid of blindly buying it though so look for at least someone who says it's OK for gaming. They say it's great here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...002168&Tpk=lcd2490wuxi

Make sure you enable OVERDRIVE in the advanced menu for the best response time.

IMO, the LCD2690WUXi is a little slower than the 20WMGX2 but hardly by much. The input lag is a little more bothersome than the response time but even that is not bad at all. After you get used to it, it's like it isn't even there.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: FinrodFelagund
The monitors are going to be bought in the US, not going to buy here because the prices are high and the quality is low. I use amazon.com a lot since they accept international credit card and haven't much trouble sending items around the globe. Taking that in consideration should I consider the LG? By the way I don't know how could I check that information on the monitor without buying it first, so maybe I should discard it to be on the safe side. What about the Acer? It's a great deal (a 22" for 216 $ ) or is the quality of that lcd too low? From a point of view cost vs performance what of those monitors are the best? I'm not sure about the viewsonic since is the most expensive of that list. Thanks for the answers

Yes I think you should consider the LG, then. The likelihood of you receiving a good panel is quite high. But make sure you have a way to return it if you're not that lucky.

If you don't like that idea, then the ViewSonic VX2255wmb is a better idea.

The Acer is probably easily the best value. It's not a bad idea at all. It might not have quite as good colors as the ViewSonic but other than that, equal. You can look at it this way: you can get the Acer now and save money for LED monitors later.

Originally posted by: cboath
Two hit two posts with one reply...

First, i asked about the shipping in the manufacturer's box because i just didn't know. I haven't gotten a new monitor for 7 years and the ones we get at work have all come from dell. The one's from dell obviously come in a dell box and are taped shut across the entire opening. I feel much better that my viewsonic came that way after your post - which is why i asked

As for how the box was sealed, It's a standard box where the front of the lid tucks inside the front side of the box and has the two little flaps on either side. Standard stuff. It also has the extra little reverse tab. You know that little 2" wide piece that's part of the front side of the box that you tuck back inside the top flap once the box is closed? That type of deal. And that was it. There was no damage to the box and it all looked just fine. The piece of tape I requested was on the left side of the box about 7-8" from the side (box width was nearly 30") and while it 'was' there it really wasn't on top of the box anymore. Looks like it was put on in a rush and was knocked off pretty quick so that it wasn't sealing anything. As the box is itself, as DoctorM can attest to, you can simply open the box, take something out, and close it back up - and there's no way you can tell if the box was tampered with. You but a decent piece of tape on it, it's going to be obvious if that box was opened. In the case of the viewsonic, all 4 cables sit right under that lid. You open the top and their they are. The base can come right out, too, without removing any of the styrofoam. The way the box is sealed it isn't going to flop open on it's own, but considering it has to go from viewsonic to a wholesaler, to techonweb, to a loading dock, to the first fedex guy, to the fedex guy at the main office in CA, onto a fedex truck that drove to TX, another truck to drive it to my city, and another truck to get it to me - that's 9 or so guys that handle that box before me - and that doesn't count the guys at the intermittent loading docks of fedex who move it from truck A to truck B. That's a lot of people, IMO, who could pop open the box if they wanted a VGA or HDMI cable. Taping the box takes little to no effort, and anything to discourage someone from opening a box the better. But maybe it's just me. But as noted, no tape on my box or DoctorM's from viewsonic, just the little secondary cardboard tab.

Ahh yes, I understand perfectly now. That makes a little more sense. At least there was a flap. You never know..

Originally posted by: cboath
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So far so good. I can't wait to start playing with the thing more this weekend and doing some basic calibration myself. I can't see spending triple figures to calibrate my colors though. I figure I can eyeball it fairly close - i don't have the need to spend big bucks to get 5% closer. Either that or i'll look for existing color files on the net somewhere. All in all i love this thing so far. 24" at home looks MUCH larger than 24" at the store. It actually makes me worry a tad that the 56" TV i want to get will be too big for the house! Of course, a TV can't be too big right?

I got a 42" TV and I'm regretting it wasn't 72"...

It looks like a 13" CRT after you've looked at it for a year or so.

Come to think of it, this 26" monitor is getting small compared to my old 20". Err wait...

If anyone has pointed questions or things for me to try - just let me know and i'll do what I can. I can stick a movie in my computer to test movie playback (a few avi's i tried looked great - i look forward to trying out a few 1080p trailers this weekend too) - but i do not have a next gen console or external DVD player I can hook up to it. I DO have a dvd player, but it's intertwined into the entertainment center in the living room and I can't easily extract it to test it out.

There's usually someone on HardForum who has ten consoles and $5000 to waste to test every single input and resolution on three monitors, so don't feel bad.

I think it's great you guys are trying out the VX24 though. I didn't know what to expect really, because I just recommend things based on online reviews. Idiosyncrasies yes, but I'm glad there's nothing horrible about it. (at least if we figure out that DVI problem DoctorM is having...) I think that's a problem with the last gen ATI cards though, or maybe it's a problem with last gen ATI cards + ViewSonic LCDs. ViewSonic LCDs have been known to have "DVI problems".

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: brencat
Curious if anyone has seen these new 22" TNs from Dell...the 2208, and how they might compare to a Samsung 226bw or 2232. There's two of them -- per the AT article. I see elsewhere that people are already bitching about bad text quality on the SP (the silver one). Wondering if the ultrasharp version is any different?

I haven't had much time at all to keep up with everything introduced at CES. And I don't know about the newer Dell 22"s yet either. Sorry.

Originally posted by: DoctorM
The current problem is when there's no signal the screen stays all blue with 'No Signal'. It won't shut itself off to standby.
Also if I turn off the monitor manually while the PC is on, it won't come back from 'No Signal' to the desktop.
This is all only when the input is set to HDMI. The Analog works just fine.

I can get it to briefly work (tricking it with cable swapping and such), but once the monitor is powered off or unplugged it starts doing this all over again; with or without an HDMI cable even connected to it.
It's definitely something internal that's messed up. I thought it was a borked setting, but it could be the HDMI port itself. Can the EDID get corrupted and do this or does that only effect the info that the PC reads from it?

EDID problems are common with the ViewSonic monitors and certain video cards so it could very well be the case.

Originally posted by: asintu
Are there any 24'' monitors able to do 1:1 scaling?

LP2465, VX2435wm, FP241W, 2407WFP-HC, LCD2490WUXi to name a few. I'm sure there's more. I don't really memorize them. Research one more in-depth though to make sure or check for other input compatibility issues.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Amart
I got the 19" LG L1960TR in the end. Received and set it up yesterday.

No dead pixels, and so far I'm very satisfied. No ghosting at all, no RTC errors visible in the games I play, fast response time, good movie playback.

The size may seem small by current standards but considering I usually sit right in front of the screen, it's just right. The resolution is also easy on the GPU, so I can get more image quality in games. Dot pitch is good, as I can't see a difference with the 0.24 CRT.

The design of the screen is actually much better then I thought based on the pictures. It's clean and relatively simple.
I am however going to use some semi transparent tape to dim the glowing blue indicator (if I can't find the option in the driver).

I need to configure separate profiles for my games and movies from the nVidia controls, as settings that work well for desktop don't do well in games.

Interesting. Thanks for the overview. I hardly ever hear much about the 19" gaming LCDs I recommend.

Originally posted by: jgauthier
Thanks xtknight for maintaining this excellent resource! The information is very valuable and helped assist me in purchasing my monitor.

FWIW I am a casual gamer and amateur photographer so it was important to find an lcd that was fast enough for gaming and ideal for photo editing, etc. For the price I was willing to spend and the popularity of the HP LP2065 at sites like DPREVIEW.COM I was very interested in this monitor if I could get it with the S-IPS panel. Well I am happy to report I just recieved my new LP2065 mfg # EF227A4#ABA Rev. GSM002 and it does indeed have the LG.Philips LM201U05 panel! I ordered it from http://www.softchoice.com which is where the company I work for orders alot of its hardware. The good news is that if you call their sales team you can create a personal account without having to be a business, etc. They do stock the EF227A8#ABA version which is a HP Smartbuy but the likelyhood of getting the S-IPS panel is uncertain.

All the best!

Welcome to the forums. Glad I could help.

Are you saying that with the A8 version you have less likelihood of getting an S-IPS?

 

[bsongo]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Gast
ZOMG, 100s of new displays at CES. Several of which are coming this quarter, some even "next month". 22-inch VLED221wm anyone?

Quite exciting.

Originally posted by: bsongo
First of all, this thread is awesome. I never read so much wealth of information on lcd's before.
I was hoping everyone can help me or at least care to.

I am an aspiring photographer. I would call myself semi-pro with on a wimpy budget.
I was reading through this thread and everyone seemed to be recommending the Samsung 215TW. Alas, I cannot find a legitimate retailer selling the monitor except for amazon which has a 3-6 week wait.

Nor can I, which was disappointing. I had to remove it as it's simply out of stock I guess. It seems to come in and out. I don't know Samsung's plans on this model.

I guess I should list my criteria.
20 or + widescreen but no bigger then 24"
S-PVA or equivalent. Ideally, I would like a S-IPS monitor, but I would like to wait for the prices to come down with better selection. Hopefully in a year or so.
Main uses 80%:
Photo editing
Browsing the internet
Movie watching

Other uses 20%:
Games (im not too snobby on games. I like to play the occasional counter strike source)
Video Editing

The price:
No more then 500 bucks shipped and taxed.

If there are other criteria I should list, please let me know.

Thank you.

I actually don't know of any 20-24" widescreen panels VA or IPS that are under $500 (and certainly not after ship/tax). If that's shocking to you, it is to me too. :\ There's the Soyo 24" which is $300 but it has a pretty poor reliability record. It's available at Office Max and I think you can return it if you have problems.

There are some standard aspect options though. The HP LP2065 is the main model that comes to mind. It does give you more screen area than widescreen 20" and it sounds like most of your uses would benefit from more area. It does mean suffering from more black bars during movies though. But you do a little with the widescreen anyway, especially if the movie is in 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 aspect ratio format. But even a 16:9 movie has to fit on the 16:10 widescreen LCD monitor.

It seems like LED backlight monitors are just on the horizon so I wouldn't get too worked up about our current VA/IPS situation. Hopefully that will bring in some more professional monitors, although there's no telling of how the prices will end up.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176059
Is there anything comparable to this monitor? The monitor seems to be the best bang for the buck.

Thank you for helping

 

[czajunia]

NEC 2490WUXi vs Hazro HZ24W

Does anyone know how similar they are image quality and performance wise? Do they feature the same panels? Are they suitable for gaming and how they compare with the renowned NEC 20WMGX2?

Thank's a lot!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: TripperJoe
I've been trying to decide on a monitor to buy to replace my old Sony G400 19" CRT. It's been 10 years since I've bought it and it seems to be getting a little blurry on my eyes.

I use my computer for:
-gaming
-movies
-coding

I think 24"s and the 1900 resolutions are too big so I went to the B&M stores and settled on the 22" widescreen.

I just noticed this deal on the dell forums and wondered how it would suit me?

Ultrasharp 2208FWP

$275 Shipped

Like I always say I really don't know unless there are pro reviews. I would appreciate if people would take this into consideration. I can help but I don't try monitors and I don't usually have any more info than what is available online.

That said, I think the Acer AL2216WBD is a better deal and it's available cheaper at most places. It should suit you reasonably well. But these are TN monitors, so the viewing angles might be annoying compared to what you're used to.

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: czajunia
Hi,
My first post here so HI to everyone.

Does anyone know what is the difference between NEC 20WMGX2 and 20WMGX2Pro? I can't find too many information on the net. They both look the same on the paper but there must be (or at least should be) a difference. The Pro version was launched like half a year after non-Pro according to prad.de. I think that a Pro version doesn't come with a TV tuner but apparently european 20WMGX2 didn't have one either. Apart from that some web sites say that non-Pro is S-IPS and Pro model is AS-IPS. I think that non-Pro has an AS-IPS panel as well, is that correct?
Thank's a lot for your answers!

There isn't a 20WMGX2 Pro as far as I know. There is:

- 20WMGX2: The "multimedia" version that was sold in North America.

- 20WGX2: The European version, same monitor without the tuner and extra A/V inputs. This one was later updated and renamed the 20WGX2 Pro. Allows scaling on DVI, while the M only allowed scaling on the video inputs.

I don't know about the Pro, but the 20WMGX2 is out of production.

Interesting. I didn't know the LCD20WGX2 had scaling on DVI. Are you sure about this?

Originally posted by: asintu

Originally posted by: czajunia

Originally posted by: asintu
Are there any 24'' monitors able to do 1:1 scaling?

Dell 2407WFP and -HC as well
BenQ FP241W (but be careful with early models) and FP241WP

What happened to early models of fp241w? do fp241wp have problems too?
what's the difference between these models anyways?

He probably means the FP241WZ. The Z has the option of the backlight flickering to reduce motion blur, which indeed doesn't work very well (mostly due to overly noticeable flickering sensation).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: czajunia
Me again. I have a technical question this time about Black levels in S-IPS panels. I am considering getting either NEC 20WGX2 or Hazro's 24'' S-IPS model. I know that there are kind of different sizes but as there isn't a good, reasonably priced 24'' IPS monitor I think I may not upgrade to the next size up just yet. Anyway, after reading Hazro HZ24W I am a bit confused by the test results.
I know that the blacks are not the strongest point of IPS panels but in the above mentioned review they measured black point (cd/m2) at around 0.4 and concluded that it is pretty average. The same web page tested NEC 20WGX2 and after calibration this monitor achieved the 0.3 score and with a dynamic contrast ratio control it went down to 0.2. I know that dynamic contrast is only useful in movies/games but the Hazro doesn't offer any contrast booster so it won't improve overall experience at all.

So, is the level of 0.4 really that bad and does it show in the real life usage especially where the blacks should be really nice - games, films? Or is it purely technical index and a user won't see any difference between the monitor that scored 0.3 and 0.4?

Well most people should be able to tell the difference between 0.3 and 0.4.

Also, the measured contrast ratio dropped to 321:1 after calibration from almost 700:1. Is it very bad?

Thank's a lot!

It's not 'very bad'. But it's certainly not great considering S-PVAs reach 1000:1.

I am very surprised the black level is only 0.02 lower when the peak luminance was less than half after calibration. The reviewer there used automatic calibration software which tends to do reduce contrast at the benefit of accuracy. This is not the best setup for multimedia. I will ask on the TFTcentral forums what the lowest black level of this display is, because the calibration method may have affected it drastically. How he went about it was absolutely correct for photo editing and other purposes but multimedia likes contrast.

Until a reply you should probably hold off on your decision. I asked here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/fo...m=1196184783;start=all

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: bsongo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176059
Is there anything comparable to this monitor? The monitor seems to be the best bang for the buck.

Thank you for helping

Actually I do think that's the best deal for you. $30 more will get you the VX2435wm which has more video inputs but the HP is certainly a solid display. Right now we have some concerns about the VX's DVI connectivity. The VX is probably a better display overall in terms of image quality while the HP has a more sensible on-screen setup. It's really up to you.

Edit: I guess I sounded a little ambivalent (cough...when does that happen). The VX is a better choice if you're willing to plop down $30 more (after rebate that is). If you have an X850XT? card like DoctorM then you might want to be wary of DVI issues though or wait until he gets those issues figured out.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: czajunia
NEC 2490WUXi vs Hazro HZ24W

Does anyone know how similar they are image quality and performance wise? Do they feature the same panels? Are they suitable for gaming and how they compare with the renowned NEC 20WMGX2?

Thank's a lot!

I don't know because surprisingly enough there have been no pro reviews of the NEC LCD2490WUXi yet. Do wait for the black depth results as I mentioned earlier for the Hazro, though. Besides, I probably need to get the Hazros on the list for our European users.

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Until a reply you should probably hold off on your decision. I asked here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/fo...m=1196184783;start=all

Thank's xt - you are a star... But you know that already don't you?

Originally posted by: xtknight
Interesting. I didn't know the LCD20WGX2 had scaling on DVI. Are you sure about this? [/L]

I think he meant LCD20WGX2Pro version. And the Pro one does support scaling - I just checked the manual. In the TOOLS menu there's an option called EXPANSION and you can select the FULL, ASPECT and OFF (1:1). It also says that this mode is only available for the resolutions under 1280x1024.

Originally posted by: xtknight
He probably means the FP241WZ. [/L]

Exactly. I am sorry for the confusion here.

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Do wait for the black depth results as I mentioned earlier for the Hazro, though.

I definitely will. Thank's again!

I don't know because surprisingly enough there have been no pro reviews of the NEC LCD2490WUXi yet.

That's weird isn't. I was surprised as well for I couldn't find any reviews either. Do you know what is the reason for that? The monitor has been on the market for a while AFAIK and it looks like a winner on the paper. How odd...

Besides, I probably need to get the Hazros on the list for our European users.

You definitely should for we don't have too many choices here in the 24'' department. There's.... well.... Hazro.... and Apple screens. But we neither have NEC nor Planar. That would be great!

What do you think about this: Hazro HZ24W vs NEC 20WMGX2 considering gaming performance and black levels in movies/games. Hazro doesn't have any contrast booster so it's probably gonna lag a bit behind but how far do you think?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: czajunia
What do you think about this: Hazro HZ24W vs NEC 20WMGX2 considering gaming performance and black levels in movies/games. Hazro doesn't have any contrast booster so it's probably gonna lag a bit behind but how far do you think?

I don't place much faith in the 'contrast booster' (dynamic contrast). I never used it on my NEC (at least after I calibrated it). If you don't have calibration I guess you might miss it. But it's not a big deal. I think using it at an appropriate brightness and contrast with the right R/G/B settings will produce quite a suitable image. S-IPS panels seem to be decently accurate by default.

And no idea why the 2490 hasn't gotten more exposure. The 2490 is not available in Europe but the 2690 is?

 

[DoctorM]

As a quick note, searching the net further I found a comment that Viewsonic's 28" panel occasionally had this problem over HDMI (Blue Screen and not standby).
Viewsonic had to release a firmware update to fix it. I wonder if it's related.

 

[czajunia]

Originally posted by: xtknight
The 2490 is not available in Europe but the 2690 is?

Not sure about the whole Europe but definitely it's not available in UK and the bigger, 26'' brother is. Have no idea what's the reason for that but it's not even listed on the NEC's product web page.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: czajunia
Hi,
My first post here so HI to everyone.

Does anyone know what is the difference between NEC 20WMGX2 and 20WMGX2Pro? I can't find too many information on the net. They both look the same on the paper but there must be (or at least should be) a difference. The Pro version was launched like half a year after non-Pro according to prad.de. I think that a Pro version doesn't come with a TV tuner but apparently european 20WMGX2 didn't have one either. Apart from that some web sites say that non-Pro is S-IPS and Pro model is AS-IPS. I think that non-Pro has an AS-IPS panel as well, is that correct?
Thank's a lot for your answers!

There isn't a 20WMGX2 Pro as far as I know. There is:

- 20WMGX2: The "multimedia" version that was sold in North America.

- 20WGX2: The European version, same monitor without the tuner and extra A/V inputs. This one was later updated and renamed the 20WGX2 Pro. Allows scaling on DVI, while the M only allowed scaling on the video inputs.

I don't know about the Pro, but the 20WMGX2 is out of production.

Interesting. I didn't know the LCD20WGX2 had scaling on DVI. Are you sure about this?

Yes (on the Pro at least), but it only works for 1280x1024 and below.

 

[acegazda]

How is gaming performance on the hpw2007 and 2207? All the info I've seen is kinda vague saying that it's a good overall lcd. The face to face comparison doesn't have these as an option, so no luck there either. I'm also interested in the vx2255wmb, but am concerned about gaming performance as well. Care to shed some light on either or both of these issues?

 

[ChaoZ]

I need recommendations on a new monitor. I really want a non-TN one. I'm currently using a 17" and that's already pretty big for me, so the monitor should be less than 20". I will use it for watching movies and gaming. I have a budget of $200-300.

I like the aesthetics of Dell monitors, but it seems that they're all TN.