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imported_jns

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xknight
thanks for your recomandations!
I've now got my NEC LCD2090UXi

but now comes the hard part (it seems) - how to get the best color, to calibrate the monitor? witch settings and so on... (I'll be using it for photoediting)
first the 'easy' basic one - 'native' or 'sRGB' ? (you see I don't got a clue)
But I've red in a review that the brightness should be set at 41% and contrast to 43% to get a 100nit (don't know what that is, but so I've done)
I didn't really understand the gammacomp that came with the monitor...
is there any good calibrationsprogram to download?

some help please
thank you very much!






 

generalmx

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Not sure if this monitor was mentioned before -- it's relatively new. It probably has, but I wanted to format it for the OP and give my two cents.

30": Gateway XHD3000, 2560x1600 (16:10)
Panel: WG S-PVA (Samsung LTM300M1); true 8-bit, 16.7M colours
Image Delay: ? (6ms GtG)
Specifications: Gateway XHD3000
HDCP Compliant: Yes
More Info: ?
Price: ~$1700 USD

Just got this as a Christmas present for myself. Amazing. Not even talking about my PC games, even my old PS2 games look amazing on this. It's the first monitor that I know of to use the Silicon Optix Realta HQV video processor (http://www.hqv.com/), allowing it to do a true upconvert of signals to the monitor's native resolution. Unlike the Dell 30" UltraSharp, besides a DVI-Dual Link port, it also has HDMI, VGA, Component, S-Video, and Composite ports, as well as a detachable speaker and a 6-port USB hub, and HD PiP (so you can do HDMI or VGA with PiP). Unless you're crazy about S-IPS, I'd say the Gateway is a better deal overall. I got mine from Newegg.

 

TripperJoe

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Originally posted by: DoctorM
VX2255WM $260 after rebate at ZipZoomFly: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...jsp?ProductCode=232513

So Viewsonic seems to be the best all around gaming/multimedia/office 22" for me. How do you compare between their different models?
i.e.

-2255WMB
-2235WM
-2245WM
-2240W

Are they all the same panel? The 55 seems to have an average delay of 15.3ms as opposed to the 35 which has 9.2ms. I don't need fancy addons like speakers or webcams. I just want the best quality video output!
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: Trean
You're right Buck the NEC 2470WNX is a hard find to get at a decent price outside of NewEgg.

I'm not happy about it, but it was $700 there or $800+ everywhere else. Since most other 24" non-TNs seem to be in the $600-700 range, I just couldn't see paying over $800...although I'm sure I'll change my mind about that if something's wrong with it...
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: czajunia
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Guess you'll have to do what I just did: get an NEC 2470WNX! I just ordered it from NewEgg and it should be here in 2 days.

Its a 24" S-PVA (so not a TN), 6ms, 500 cd/m2 brightness, and 1000:1 contrast ratio. Its not an IPS, but it has higher brightness (500 vs. 400) and contrast ratio (1000:1 vs. 800:1) than the 2490, a faster response time (6ms vs. 8ms), and the same amount of input lag as the 2490 according to PRAD (33ms=2 frames) and even less according to a user on HardOCP and WSGF forums (24ms=1.5 frames).

Thanks XTKnight for all the advice...

Well, I do a bit of image editting so I'd prefer to get IPS, really. I know that *VA panels look better on paper but I personally think they are not match for IPS panels. Besides 2470 is from different line. 2490 which is a part of NEC's professional line offers more in the color control department.

I dunno. It's always like this. First you don't know what to get, then you spend like ages looking for something you don't even know. Eventually everything is clear and that's when the problems start - it's either out of production or not available where you live...

I am gonna wait for the answer from TFTCentral about Hazro 24'' panel and if it's not good I probably will stick with the little LCD20WGX2Pro for a moment. There's always Apple and their new cinema displays that should be availabel nowish but I don't think they will perform anywhere close to NEC.

I had the same problem; I game alot, but I also make my living with Photoshop and Illustrator. I was too late by a couple weeks to get a new 20WMGX2 for the rebate price, or even at all, and I discovered to my horror that the ONLY 24" IPS was the NEC 2490 at $1200, with a slower response time and just as much or more input lag as all the VAs, with or without Overdrive (and this is proven-check ToastyX's posts on Hard forum). If I pay $1200, I expect perfection, not the same size with the same flaws as the $600 parts. $600 extra for just a better viewing angle is a bit too steep for me.

And the Hazro is too new for me to take a chance on...good luck though, at least you still have the 20WGX2 option.
 

czajunia

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I had the same problem; I game alot, but I also make my living with Photoshop and Illustrator. I was too late by a couple weeks to get a new 20WMGX2 for the rebate price, or even at all
Just out of curosity how much was it after rebate in US? I can get the Pro version here for around £300 (the best price I could get a few days back for they usually sell around £350) which is roughly $600.

If I pay $1200, I expect perfection, not the same size with the same flaws as the $600 parts.
I know what you mean. I have the same problem. I don't mind spending extra cash on something if I feel it's worth it.

$600 extra for just a better viewing angle is a bit too steep for me.
The problem for me is not slightly better or worse viewing angle but color shift that occurs when you look at a *VA panel from a different angle. There's plenty of examples on the net but have a look at this HardForum post.

And the Hazro is too new for me to take a chance on...good luck though, at least you still have the 20WGX2 option.
And it looks like I am going to take advantage of it Shame though - I know that it's a great monitor but I really wanted a 24'' panel. Buuuuuu.....
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: czajunia
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I had the same problem; I game alot, but I also make my living with Photoshop and Illustrator. I was too late by a couple weeks to get a new 20WMGX2 for the rebate price, or even at all
Just out of curosity how much was it after rebate in US? I can get the Pro version here for around £300 (the best price I could get a few days back for they usually sell around £350) which is roughly $600.

If I pay $1200, I expect perfection, not the same size with the same flaws as the $600 parts.
I know what you mean. I have the same problem. I don't mind spending extra cash on something if I feel it's worth it.

$600 extra for just a better viewing angle is a bit too steep for me.
The problem for me is not slightly better or worse viewing angle but color shift that occurs when you look at a *VA panel from a different angle. There's plenty of examples on the net but have a look at this HardForum post.

And the Hazro is too new for me to take a chance on...good luck though, at least you still have the 20WGX2 option.
And it looks like I am going to take advantage of it Shame though - I know that it's a great monitor but I really wanted a 24'' panel. Buuuuuu.....

The normal retail price was about $600, and there are still a few sites selling the silver model for that. The NewEgg deal was around $499 - $100 rebate = $399. The rebate ended on December 31 2007. The last time NewEgg had it without rebate, it was priced at $449.

I have experience with two VAs. I recently bought a 21" ViewSonic VP2130b (S-PVA) for home, and we have a Dell PVA or MVA at work. While I didn't fall in love with the ViewSonic and returned it after 30 days, I found that the "issues" commonly attributed to PVA were nowhere near as bad as people say, at least on mine. The Dell I actually like quite a bit, but I only use it for certain things at work and have never tried to game on it or anything. But neither one EVER looked like the Eizo in that thread! In fact I think that's a defective display...

On the other hand, my brother has a 20WMGX2, and its just as fast and beautiful as everyone says...but its got the same vertical dimension as a standard 17", and after 10 years with a 21" Trinitron CRT, it just seems too small.

If I were you, I'd either grab the 20 to hold me until something decent actually comes along (don't hold your breath though), or go to a store and play with any decent non-TN 24" to see if I could live with it.
 
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Originally posted by: Tetragrammaton
I hope I'll be forgiven if I butt into this thread without reading the whole thing first...

I'm in the market for an LCD monitor that's less than $500 and will work well for gaming with both a PC and an Xbox 360. I spent a few days reading hardforum and getting some advice, but I'd like to see what the Anandtech crowd has to say.

Right now, I'm thinking that my best bets are either the Gateway FHD2400, the Westinghouse L2410NM, or the Dell SP2208WFP, but I'm very much open to other suggestions.

The Gateway has all the features that I could ask for (1:1 pixel mapping, separate HDMI and DVI inputs, 1080p capability), but it's right at the maximum for my price range, and I've read that it's had some creeping backlight bleeding issues.

The Westinghouse is cheaper and is MVA rather than the TN of the others, but the thread at hardforum is full of people complaining about either the input lag, display of blacks, or screen door effect issues.

The Dell has great claimed specs for gaming, and its by far the cheapest, but it's a 22" and thus can't display 1080p. I don't want to be hitting my head against the wall a few years from now for being shortsighted, and I'd like to get the full potential out of my Xbox 360. I also really like that it comes with a minimum 3-yr warranty.

I'm also considering the 20" version of the Dell for the better pixel pitch, but I'm not sure if that's a stupid tradeoff (2" of screen for pixel pitch).

Thoughts? Alternatives?

Nobody has an opinion?
 

Trean

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Of the ones mentioned in tetra's post I would rec the Gateway FHD2400. It has been on sale on and off for the past several weeks at $499.99 at either Best Buy or Circuit City. Then people usually do price match because it is 110% usually at those stores. Don't think it is on sale in any B&M store at the moment though.
 

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Originally posted by: Killy
Thanks xt, put my mind at rest. The trails ARE a bit annoying, but time will probably get me used to them.

Now I have to decide whether this tiny pixel is worth RMA'ing or not. The funny thing is, it'll display dark colours fine, but any colours brighter / at a higher wavelength above it's pale teal will not display properly. Odd.

Typically the accuracy of overdrive is about 16/256 (because the lookup table is only 16x16). This is why you notice a lot of errors (your LCD probably uses a smaller table).

Why only on the brighter colors, I'm not sure, but maybe the table happens to be more accurate on the dark side of things. With darker tones, voltage is sagged but with the brighter ones it is surged. Maybe the surges are set too high. It varies on each model of LCD out there. Most of the time it's because the manufacturer was negligent and didn't optimize the RTC algorithm for the monitor.
 

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More info about NEC 2490WUXi

I have had NEC 2490WUXi on my desk for about a year.
Here I found it listed in PHOTO EDITING/WEB DESIGN section as #1 and that is absolutely true. The only model to compete in this area is NEC 2190UXi which is 4:3 though.

But this remark: "somewhat suitable for multimedia as well" made me smile.
I see that trere are too little info of the NEC 2490WUXi available/
So I would like to share my knowledge of it with those interested.

This is not my impressions only.
I have tested this monitor with a colorimeter/software - actually this is NEC 2490WUXi-SV, a set of a monitor+colorimeter+SpectraView calibration software.
Full HD (1080p) support tested with stand alone HD-DVD player.
NEC 2490WUXi compared side by side with: CRT monitor, Dell 2407-HC (24" WG PVA), Gateway 2485 (24" PVA), Dell 2707 (WG PVA), Sony 205 (20" IPS).
I use NEC 2490WUXi for intensive everyday office work, internet surfing, photo editing, video editing, 1080p playback, internet TV, playing games occasionally.

I will try to be as brief as possible.

To begin with: 2490WUXi is technically identical to 2690WUXi - same H-IPS technology, same 1920x1200, same equipment in every aspect, same OSM controls, same detailed specification and the last - one manual for both of them.
The only difference: 2690 has 1.4" larger diagonal (larger dot pitch) and different chemical in backlight that provides wider color gamut.
This is to understand: whatever 2690 is capable of - 2490 does tha same (in regular color gamut).

We skip mechanics - it has any known flexibility.
For detailed description of 2490WUXi look at the NEC 2690 on prad.de.


Connectors.
I totally disagree with what is written about 2690: "Poor variety of multimedia inputs".
Same applicable to 2490 as they are twins? No.
Neither to 2690 nor to 2490.
2490 has two digital inputs (DVI-I and DVI-D) and D-Sub.
What is let's say "good" variety of inputs? Component, composite, S-Video..
Extra digital input is worth all of them taken together. Why? We'll see soon.

Controls.
Amazingly convenient location and design of the OSD buttons. Any of them make OSD to appear. When you surf functions you don't have to click every time to make them active. As you reach a function - it's active - adjust and leave. No extra click.
Everething gets clear in comparison. Both Dells - endless clicking for every step.

Calibration and measurements.
The equipment provided with SV version calibrates monitor automatically - that's a different story. The result is superb.
This is an example for high brightness (the result is received as a part of calibration process):
Click here.
This REAL contrast ratio is a record for IPS! It has never been that high.
Another fact: it is almost as announced by the manufacturer (800:1) - it's quite rare for any monitor! Usually contrast ratio that you find in official specs means nothing but advert.
The only way to find out what it really is - instrumental test.
Monitor calibrated to deltaE=0.25 - spectacular!
Measurements for different settings showed contrast ratio up to 797:1, for everyday work (brightness of white 160cd) black level - 0.21cd. Not every PVA is able to surpass that.

The NEC 2490WUXi has a new H-IPS panel which is free of violet tint of black at extreme diagonal angle.
On this photo you can see 2490 (front) next to Sony 205 with "old" IPS panel. You see the pedestal steps (dark brown on NEC) turning violet on 20" IPS:
Click here.
Violet tint may or may not appear a little if you look from one side only (the other side).

Are you sitting? Next photo is taken during the process of calibration. It shows 24" PVA Gateway 2485(on top) and NEC 2490WUXi (below).

Violet is on PVA. H-IPS is Black! At the same time you see some backlight uniformity problem with the Gateway 2485.
NEC 2490 uniformity is perfect.
Click here.
Want more? I have for you.
Again, NEC is closer to us:
Click here.
That's the end of legend: new IPS has less violet black at an angle than *VA!

OK, let's look from the other side. Next picture - we are watching a movie (from the computer!) This time the NEC is distant, PVA Gateway is closer:
Click here.

The NEC 2490/2690WUXI unlike any other monitor have a UNIQUE control - a true scaling ability. It's like a wizard - it makes any proportion of the picture, any you want.
Look at this: Click here.
This is a regular DVD movie. Scale it at your convenience to a disired size or sharpness to please your eyes.
Why the background is not black? That's your choice. Many garadations between black and white are possible. Question. Is this for photo editing professionals?
This is for us! None of Dells or so are even close to that.

Next picture - playing games! Top left and top right - Gateway.
Left and right below - NEC 2490. With unique scaling ability of the NEC, you can adjust any unproportional game to fit your screen better.
Both left: 4:3 game does not fit the screen. Both right: the Gateway distorts the picture in a full width. With the NEC you can do the same OR adjust 4:3 to a full width without distortion - just slightly cut in vertical dimention: Click here.


This is the NEC 2490WUXi in comparison with a CRT monitor.

You see it! 2490 does not yield even a grain to a CRT: Click here.
After this test I used the NEC 2490WUXi as a reference monitor for all others.

I played FarCry on both NEC and CRT in clone mode. The 24" big is a bit slower, not critically. Input lag is about 1.5 frames - estimation. I used a camcorder for this test. It's not considered a perfect measurement tool but it gives more acceptable visual impression rather then cold digits of ms. Playing is very comfortable. No problem for a moderate gamer.
This is video! 2490 next to Dell 2407-HC - the NEC looks minimally faster in the live episode, then "frame by frame" is equal: Click here.

What about ghousting? Next set of photos - moving square. The best one and the worst one for both monitors. Both best ones are close. That one on the Dell is slightly less "solid" and has a small tail of "smoke". The worst one on the NEC is way better than Dell's: Click here.

Similar test to compare the NEC 2490WUXI with the Dell 2707 - 2707 is even worse than 2407 - "wings" on the square and "smoke" are more obvious: Click here.

All these monitors have an overdrive. BUT! On the NEC, you can turn it off. Requirements of gamers are very individual. That's your choice.

Question. Why so called "monitor for professional use" demonstrates less ghosting and better flexibility for playing games then those so called "ideal for games"?

Watching movies!!
A couple more photos of movies from a regular computer.
Again, how black is black on the NEC 2490WUXi when looking from it's "weaker" side (here with the Dell 2707): Click here.
Another DVD playback (computer, with Dell 2407-HC):
Click here.


Stand alone DVD player.

Now it's time to talk about "variety of inputs".
Question. Is there any practical use of those component and so on video inputs in comparison with an additional digital video input of the NEC 2490? Let's see.
For this test a regular DVD player with HDMI and component outputs is connected with the NEC 2490WYXi (HDMI to DVI) and the Dell 2707 (component to component).
Next picture - 2490 demonstrates the whole picture with the right proportion.
Dell? Whatever mode you try - no acceptable result. The picture over component connection is either distorted or cut (or both!). Had the Dell which is "perfect for movies" that scaling what the NEC has - there would be a different result. So far - the component fails: Click here.

The movie over component is spoiled proportionally AND it's color quality is inferior too.
Don't forget about poor viewing angles of PVA and violet black - My God!
Next photo - next DVD - distortion over component, no enough scaling on Dell 2707: Click here.

Next - component - stretched faces, poor viewing angles on 2707: Click here.

Same movie episode, Dell 2707-HC, component: Click here.

What a garbage is that "variety of inputs"!


High Definition!
Attention! This is a rare test even for "professional" reviews. Many testers neglect to check 1080p support by the monitor and prefer to retell manufacturer's sweet advertisement.
This test was done with the use of stand alone HD-DVD player and 1080p movie.

On this picture HD player is in 720p mode. NEC 2490 vs Dell 2707: Click here.

Are "viewing angles" just viewing angles? No, that's a quality of movie playback!

OK, it's time for 1080p!
Dell does not support 1080p over component. It still has DVI which MUST be for a computer.
OK, I disconnect the computer, disconnect the NEC2490 fron HDMI.
Then I connect HD Player with DVI Dell 2707, 1080p mode. Rezult?
Dell 2707 FAILED to support 1080p!!
How about NEC 2490WUXi for Full HD (1080p)? Perfect!
This monitor really does whatever you want it to do.
Next picture - NEC 2490WUXi reports about it's victory: Click here.


Question. Why so called "for photo editing professionals" monitor playes movies in any possible mode way better then those "ideal for movie Full HD monitors"?


My monitor and my vision.

Minimal brightnes for the Dell 2407-HC I could achieve - 134cd
NEC 2490 has minimum - 46cd
Next video - both monitor set on the brightnes about 150-160cd.
Dell is blinking dramatically: Click here.


The NEC 2490WUXi has autobrightness function - screen brightness is regulated according to ambient light. This is to protect my vision during a longer work.
Is it for "printing professionals"? No, it's for us!
Printing professinals would disable this function as it may interfere with their sterile color space.


Conclusion.

"NEC 2490WUXi is a monitor for professionals only" - FORGET THIS B......T!
This is (with 2690) the best all-purpose, all-around, universal... monitor on the market.

Is it suitable for professionals? O, yes! It's so good that it is suitable for them too - it has outstanding image quality, controls and electronics to be on top of professional market.

At the same time it beats any competitor as a perfect monitor home or office use.
Why it happened? I don't know. But it's a fact.
It's quite expensive ~$1100 - Yes, you get what you pay for.

Now relax a little and wach a short video (don't warry. some words in foreign language):
NEC 2490WUXi


1. Office work.
Large space - 1920x1200
High contrast at medium brightnes
The quality of brightness control - above any other monitor
Precise color temperature adjustment - friendly for eyes
High interpolation quality
Sharpness adjustment
Best viewing angles - if used for several workers

2.Multimedia.
Low response time
Best color/gamma curve reproduction and regulation
High contrast
Best available viewing angles
Unique/uncomparable scaling ability for better movies/gaming experience
Unique function - instant black level adjustment from the first page of OSM
REALLY supports Full HD - 1080p

3.Photo editing/WEB design
Monitor #1 - it goes without saying.

Thank You for your patience!



 

Mallomar

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xtknight,

You clarified that the only difference between the NEC LCD2690Wuxi and LCD2690Wuxi-SV is that the latter includes the colorimeter and software. Since nobody has the LCD2690Wuxi-SV in stock, I'm thinking about buying the non-SV model and buying the colorimeter and software separately. Can you please tell me which colorimeter I would need to buy? And is NEC the only source for the software? Does anyone sell the colorimeter and software bundled together? (I checked the NEC site and couldn't find anything but the software being sold directly by them.)

I've been dragging my feet on this WAY too long -- I need to make a decision soon because I think my existing monitor -- old Mitsubishi SpectraView 21" CRT -- is failing. The screen keeps "hiccuping" -- don't know the technical term -- the image will suddenly shrink and then almost immediately pop back into full size. The kind of thing you might expect to see with power fluctuations, but I'm using a good UPS so that should not be an issue.

TIA
 

DoctorM

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Likely the flyback transformer is dying Mallomar.
It's what did in my old 17" Viewsonic a month ago. They can last for months or die at any time just like that (shrinking to a single very bright line).
 

siik

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can i get opinions on the westinghouse LCM-22w3 please in regards to gaming, photo editing, and price.
 

SCCA Racer X

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Did I miss the boat, or save myself?

I almost bought an Acer X241WSD for $300 on closeout. But it is a VA panel, and I am holding out for an IPS panel. IMHO, the VA panels are sufficient for business use, but no replacement for a CRT when it comes to pictures and video.

I want a 24" minimum monitor, and I can't find one with an IPS panel for a decent price. The NEC LCD2490WUXi sounds good, but the price is out of the question. Is there any chance of IPS panels reaching a reasonable price point in the near future, or should I just give up and shop for a CRT?

FYI, I currently have a 21" Panasonic CRT at home, and I recently bought the $300 Soyo Topaz 24" MVA for work. Everything they say about the Soyo is true. I'm on my second one, the first one's backlight failed after 5 days. Who knows how long this one will last. Maybe I should trade it in for the Acer just to go from 1 to 3 years warranty. On the other hand, I'm feeding it VGA, and the image is as good as any VA panel I've seen. I just can't accept the viewing angle vs. contrast stability of VA panels outside of the office environment. Needless to say, I don't need a recommendation for a TN panel at any price.

So tell me, is 24" or larger IPS coming to the consumer market, like VA did? Will it happen before even I am convinced I'm a Luddite for loving my CRT?
 

DoctorM

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Well there MAY be the Hazro... are they even out yet? That might be about the only reviewed IPS panel reviewed positively (that I know of).
I looked for a 22-24" IPS as well (as have many here). I think the problem is, we've all come to believe IPS is the ANSWER to the 'what is the perfect panel' question (thanks to the NEC 20wmgx2).
I think the NEC was the exception and not the rule.

Btw, it doesn't make you a Luddite for loving the CRT. It makes you a videophile. I have yet to see an LCD that matches the quality of a nice CRT.
Don't get me wrong, this new Viewsonic of mine is razor sharp and bright in ways a CRT isn't, but if it were possible to have a 24" wide CRT on my desk I would.

There are those that have record players since the CD cannot reproduce the audio quality and you can still buy high end tuners with vacuum tubes for the warm reproduction of sound.
There's nothing wrong with liking what you like.
 

Mallomar

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Originally posted by: DoctorM
Likely the flyback transformer is dying Mallomar.
It's what did in my old 17" Viewsonic a month ago. They can last for months or die at any time just like that (shrinking to a single very bright line).

It died at any time just like that! :Q I turned off the monitor last night (thinking I'd give it a rest) and it started up fine this morning, but I turned it off again when I left for couple hours in the afternoon, and when I got back, the monitor refused to come back to life. I am declaring it officially dead.

So now I'm in a pickle. I've appropriated my husband's crappy 19" LCD, but need to order a new monitor soon. He wanted a new monitor anyway, so we will probably go to Best Buy or Circuit City tonight and get him a new 22" monitor, so that will buy me some time, but I definitely need to order something within a day or two.
 

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Originally posted by: SCCA Racer X

I want a 24" minimum monitor, and I can't find one with an IPS panel for a decent price. The NEC LCD2490WUXi sounds good, but the price is out of the question. Is there any chance of IPS panels reaching a reasonable price point in the near future, or should I just give up and shop for a CRT?

If you are from the US you may try Planar. Dunno anything about quality and reliability of their products so you would have to do some research on the web. Also I'm not sure about Planar 24'' monitor but the 26'' model is definitely IPS.

 

czajunia

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
The normal retail price was about $600, and there are still a few sites selling the silver model for that. The NewEgg deal was around $499 - $100 rebate = $399. The rebate ended on December 31 2007. The last time NewEgg had it without rebate, it was priced at $449.

I have experience with two VAs. I recently bought a 21" ViewSonic VP2130b (S-PVA) for home, and we have a Dell PVA or MVA at work. While I didn't fall in love with the ViewSonic and returned it after 30 days, I found that the "issues" commonly attributed to PVA were nowhere near as bad as people say, at least on mine. The Dell I actually like quite a bit, but I only use it for certain things at work and have never tried to game on it or anything. But neither one EVER looked like the Eizo in that thread! In fact I think that's a defective display...

On the other hand, my brother has a 20WMGX2, and its just as fast and beautiful as everyone says...but its got the same vertical dimension as a standard 17", and after 10 years with a 21" Trinitron CRT, it just seems too small.

If I were you, I'd either grab the 20 to hold me until something decent actually comes along (don't hold your breath though), or go to a store and play with any decent non-TN 24" to see if I could live with it.

Sweet... If I could get it here for $399 that'd be just great. The shame that they don't do any rebates kind of offers in UK. I mean, it's possible to get nice deals if one knows where to look for but it looks like there's always this rebate thing going on in the US one the top of nice prices.

I don't know why people report such bad experiences with *VA panels. Lots of them get good reviews on the web and are made by reputable companies like NEC or ENZO so one would think that they should be pretty good. Still... I don't know. I probably just predict the worst case scenario when I am not happy and pissed off that I didn't get an IPS panel. Besides, here in UK it looks like they all cost the same. All the 24'' panels you can get from around £400 for Dell 2407 to £500 for Benq. The LG, Viesonic and NEC (2470) are somwhere in between. Hazro is about the same so I may as well get it but wanted to make sure it has no issues beforehand.

The problem wit 20WGX2 is that I really want 24'' monitor and when I get it instead I know that I am gonna love it, get used to it and live with it But seriously... I could use some extra resolution on the 24'' panel and I don't like waiting for new products to arrive. It may take forever and it doesn't make too much sense in the computer market where the technology changes every few months. I am really glad that I have the 20WGX2 option here if everything else fails
 

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I checked out the Eizo from that thread, and it uses some kind of U-shaped backlight or something, which explains the photos you linked to. That is NOT normal for a VA or any other monitor I've ever seen.

EDIT: OK, it just occured to me that you want a 2490, which you can't get in the UK...and I want a 20WMGX2, which I can't get in the US...hmmm...
 

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Originally posted by: Mallomar
xtknight,

I'm thinking about buying the non-SV model and buying the colorimeter and software separately. Can you please tell me which colorimeter I would need to buy? And is NEC the only source for the software? Does anyone sell the colorimeter and software bundled together? (I checked the NEC site and couldn't find anything but the software being sold directly by them.)
TIA

1.The best way is to buy SV model with the colorimeter and NEC's software.
2. All colorimeters and their software are sold bundled together.

The problem is that only NEC's software (SpectraViewII, SpectraView Profiler) is able to calibrate NEC monitors' LUT - hardware calibration. Several colorimeters may be used.
For example, SpectraViewII supports GretagMacbeth Eye-One display V1 andV2, Eye-One Monitor, Eye-One Pro, Monaco Optix XR (X-Rite DTP 94). See software manual for that.

You can buy any colorimeter with it's own software and calibrate your NEC as an ordinary monitor - in fact it's software calibration of a grafics card.

If you buy NEC's software separately and a colorimeter separately - it looks like you'll have to pay for software twice (NEC's software + colorimeter bundled software).

As an alternative - look at LaCie 526. It's a clone of 2690 and may have it's own set of colorimeter and software. Doublecheck!
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Tetragrammaton
I hope I'll be forgiven if I butt into this thread without reading the whole thing first...

I'm in the market for an LCD monitor that's less than $500 and will work well for gaming with both a PC and an Xbox 360. I spent a few days reading hardforum and getting some advice, but I'd like to see what the Anandtech crowd has to say.

Right now, I'm thinking that my best bets are either the Gateway FHD2400, the Westinghouse L2410NM, or the Dell SP2208WFP, but I'm very much open to other suggestions.

The Gateway has all the features that I could ask for (1:1 pixel mapping, separate HDMI and DVI inputs, 1080p capability), but it's right at the maximum for my price range, and I've read that it's had some creeping backlight bleeding issues.

The Westinghouse is cheaper and is MVA rather than the TN of the others, but the thread at hardforum is full of people complaining about either the input lag, display of blacks, or screen door effect issues.

The Westinghouse is TN too. It was misrepresented in the manual or in the specs. (There's a thread about it in Video somewhere.)

The Dell has great claimed specs for gaming, and its by far the cheapest, but it's a 22" and thus can't display 1080p. I don't want to be hitting my head against the wall a few years from now for being shortsighted, and I'd like to get the full potential out of my Xbox 360. I also really like that it comes with a minimum 3-yr warranty.

I'm also considering the 20" version of the Dell for the better pixel pitch, but I'm not sure if that's a stupid tradeoff (2" of screen for pixel pitch).

Thoughts? Alternatives?

Hooking up consoles is a tricky thing sometimes. Some monitors won't allow acceptable scaling/etc at certain modes, or there can be overscan (misaligned image).

I think you should consider the HP LP2465 if your Xbox 360 has HDMI output. Otherwise I'm not sure how exactly you'd hook it up. Component->VGA converter? There's several transcoder options for the Xbox apparently. I guess a simple adapter won't do here.

The ViewSonic VX2435wm is probably a better idea for console hookups but it's a little more expensive. If you don't have an Xbox 360 with HDMI output then this is the best option.

As a matter of fact both the LP2465 and VX2435wm are over $500 but you can get the LP2465 for $545 AR at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824176059

The ViewSonic is only $15 more AR. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...824116079&Tpk=vx2435wm

Otherwise I don't know what to recommend for an 8-bit under $500...
 
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