[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: 22222
This thread is humongous, and I've only read a few pages so bear with me . I'm looking for a new monitor to replace an old 17" CRT. I'm thinking something like a wide 20.1 or so screen since I dont have room for anything much bigger. Uses would be mostly gaming, movies and text so I need something that would look decent on all of the above.

I was thinking of something like this:

http://accessories.us.dell.com...&sku=320-4688#Overview

The 2007wfp seems like a good choice despite the panel lotteries, but I'm open to suggestions. The budget would be around 400$ tops. Thanks in advance .

Odd. I thought Dell was discontinuing the 2007WFP. I didn't see it on sale a few weeks ago.

But I guess it's not such a shabby choice. The HP LP2065 is probably a better bet for getting an S-IPS panel. And the alternative panel (VA) might be better than what you'd get with the 2007WFP. It's a standard aspect monitor (4:3 not 16:10 wide) though.

Originally posted by: asintu
are there any upcoming 27'' monitors that have been announced?
cause we only have the 2707wfp and the 275t worth buying in the 27'' range right now.

Not that I know of.

The 275T is certainly a good choice.

There has been a 30" H-IPS LCD announced but that won't do you much good. It'll cost an arm and a leg. And Samsung has a new 26" TN (I think) that they'd love to foist on you.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: krilonx
I think it's just the color (BF black, WF white), but I still don't understand if the contrast is 2000 or 3000:1
It's about one of your recommended 19" LCDs: LG L1970HR (L1970HR-BF, L1970HR-WF)
Thank for your great guide!

Don't worry about it. Both are lies. But it's a good gaming LCD. Contrast in reality..hmm..probably 500:1.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: KenSings


Hi - new here, I hope I'm posting correctly

1) HUGE THANKS for all the detailed work and recommendations

2) I don't' see the aforementioned Hot Delas (tons) anywhere (I see the recommendations, though)
Quote from first page:
Jan 21, 2008: Moved Hot Deals ( tons ) and Recommendations to second post

Yeah well I tried to imply that in the change log ("Tons" of deals). There really aren't any right now. There're a lot of cheap LCDs but nothing I'd call a "good deal". Previous good deals have included the 20WMGX2 and 215TW for cheaper prices. I usually only put recommended LCDs up there if they become particularly cheap for whatever reason. That doesn't happen too often because usually the crummy ones go on sale.

3) I'm a photo editor, couldn't care less about speed or latency, but want color and contrast for reasonable price. My best picks are:
ViewSonic VX2435WM (seems some folks have a rebate making it ~$560)
Dell 2407WFP-HC (599 at dell right now)
I'm leaning toward the Dell because of larger color gamut as per digitalversus.

The larger gamut is only a good choice if you do a lot of print matching (more print matching than screen/web target matching). If you do more screen work then go for the VX.

Unfortunately Digitalversus doesn't have contrast info for the ViewSonic, so not sure how contrast stacks up. The grey levels look better on their Dell review. Does anyone want to help sway me in either direction, or recommend something else? (knowing I don't want to go for any higher cost). BTW, I'll be running this alongside a CRT in dual monitor mode. Have NVidia 8400GS if that matters.

The ViewSonic's gamma curve (as per PRAD's review) is hard to beat. Its default color accuracy is quite good. I doubt the Dell (S-PVA) matches and the HC will definitely throw you off if you're not doing mostly print matching and don't know how to set software to use sRGB emulation. With both LCDs you have to make sure you're using the right "OptiColor" or other color-tweaking mode, that is "no tweaking" or "normal". All dynamic contrast/color features off for photo editing.

4) I've searched but not found any info on color calibrators and which one to get. I'm thinking along the lines of $100-200ish, and need dual-monitor support and good operability with Photoshop. That means (I think) Huey Pro, Spyder3Pro, or maybe Eye One Display 2. Does anyone have recommendations or can point me to reviews to help me decide? The Spyder3 seems to brag about having 7 detectors, which if that actually represents 7 color bands may be a good thing, but are they cheating and talking about RGB screen, RGB ambient, plus 1 overall sensor, or are they really reading 7 spectral bands? Anyway, I'd like help determining the best of these for photo editing purposes. I have an old Spyder2 but it doesn't claim to be able to do 2 monitors.

Dual monitor really depends on the software not the colorimeter. (If it's advertised as dual monitor that means the software they offer supports dual monitor.) You might want to use different software anyway like ColorEyes Display or basICColor. That might be too pricey though and really I don't know if those support dual monitors either.

The Spyder3 won't be any better than the Eye One Display 2. But both are a good amount better than the Huey Pro which is really just a beginner's colorimeter. The Huey is sufficient for getting decent colors but you really want the Spyder2-3/Eye One Display 2 for great accuracy.

5) Any good tutorials out there on exactly how to use calibrators with Photoshop to get best results?

Again, Many Many thanks for all the great information.

You'd calibrate the monitor and Photoshop would be affected as well.

With Photoshop you may want to import the ICM profile to let it know of the calibrated gamut of the monitor so that proper transformations can take place (sRGB/Adobe RGB conversions). But sorry I'm probably not the best person to ask about this.

Maybe this will help with the dual monitor stuff: http://www.northlight-images.c...nitor_calibration.html

According to this the Huey Pro supports dual monitors but so does the Eye One Display 2. I don't know about the Spyder3.

xcalib software on Linux supports two screens so I just do it manually that way and not worry about having requirements but I'm sorry I don't know if Windows supports this. I know xcalib can't do the same on Windows at the moment which made me think it might not be supported on Windows at all.

Edit: as a matter of fact xcalib does support Win32 multimonitor now:

http://www.etg.e-technik.uni-e...doe/xcalib/README.html

Worst case, you would calibrate each monitor one at a time and then grab the calibrated ICM for each (usually in the system32 spool drivers color folder) and manually apply each with xcalib to each monitor, instead of using the calibration software's LUT loader (which can be disabled at startup).

 

[Tasiin]

I've been following the Hazro panels with some interest, but was disappointed to see that they aren't sold in the US. If they ever are however, I agree that that would be a great option.

I don't think I'd be happy with a VA even as a secondary monitor, and both the NEC and Planar are very large and expensive. I'd also have to upgrade my video card, since my aging 7800 GTX is barely adequate at 1280x960 as it is.

Hmm, doesn't seem like there's many good choices. I'm sure my CRT will make it at least another one to two years, so I can just continue to wait if necessary. I'm just worried that by the time it finally does die, the choices for quality LCDs will be even slimmer than they were in 2006-2008, which was why I was considering trying one of the panel lotteries.

It's a pretty big gamble that I'd get an IPS that's free of any major defects though, so I'm very hesitant. If you think it isn't worth trying, then I won't even consider it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tasiin
I've been following the Hazro panels with some interest, but was disappointed to see that they aren't sold in the US. If they ever are however, I agree that that would be a great option.

I don't think I'd be happy with a VA even as a secondary monitor, and both the NEC and Planar are very large and expensive. I'd also have to upgrade my video card, since my aging 7800 GTX is barely adequate at 1280x960 as it is.

Hmm that's funny. My 7800GT can play COD4 at 1920x1200 quite well. I guess maybe for Crysis it's not suitable? Maybe not if you enable all AA but really that's a decent card.

Hmm, doesn't seem like there's many good choices. I'm sure my CRT will make it at least another one to two years, so I can just continue to wait if necessary. I'm just worried that by the time it finally does die, the choices for quality LCDs will be even slimmer than they were in 2006-2008, which was why I was considering trying one of the panel lotteries.

There might be better TNs by then though. Or OLED/SED/other tech.

It's a pretty big gamble that I'd get an IPS that's free of any major defects though, so I'm very hesitant. If you think it isn't worth trying, then I won't even consider it.

Trying the 2007WFP lottery? Well only you can decide if that's worth it. I don't think I'd want the hassle personally. I'd rather just spend more and avoid the hassle myself. That's just me. And that's what I've always done.

 

[Tasiin]

Well, to be honest, I don't play too many new games. The few I've tried haven't run particularly great on my system though. I do tend to enable AA/AF though, and that's probably expecting a bit much from a two and a half year old card.

Do you think TNs will ever become competitive with the old IPS displays? Considering all of the inherent limitations in the technology (6-bit, terrible viewing angles), I didn't really think it would ever happen. They've certainly improved recently, but I'm not sure it will be enough. SED would be amazing, but I haven't heard a single thing about it since the demo of the 19" 1280x960 SED screen a few tech sites covered a while back.

As for the lottery, I've actually been leaning a little more towards the 4:3 screens if I were to try it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the LM201U05 panel that the LP2065 and 2007FP (can) use a bit more comparable with the 20WMGX2's panel than the LM201W01 that most 2007WFPs have? I think there are a few WFPs with the same LM201WE2 panel that the 20WMGX2 has, but I'm sure my chances of getting one of those are slim, to say the least. I also have a slight preference for 4:3 over 16:10 at that size given my usage, but it's not really a big deal either way.

I'd probably do what you suggest and look into a 24" or 26" screen if this was going to be my only monitor, but it's a lot of money to spend for something that will most likely just end up being a secondary display that I use for desktop work such as web browsing or programming, and occasionally videos or games (though I'd be more likely to use my CRT for the latter).

 

[redlinez33]

XTKNIGHT any information on the L246WP-BN??

MVA, PVA ,or is it SPVA? I can buy a floor model at best buy with full warranty for $500.....

Any good? Worth to look at?

 

[redlinez33]

Also how is the huey monitor calibrator (THE NON PRO) version? I found it at circuit city for $50....

 

[Mallomar]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Mallomar

I'm sure it will all work out in the end, but right now steam is coming out of my ears. I called NEC to check on the status of my "case," and was told it was "pending" because they wanted a "better description of the problem." Apparently someone thinks that what I am seeing maybe just be normal image persistence (is there a difference between image persistence and ghosting?). Unfortunately I called 1/2 hour after the supervisor left for the day, so I have to call back tomorrow.

I hooked up the monitor again and took a bunch of digital photos. I assume I can't upload them here but hope it's okay to post a link:

mallomar.net/modern/NECphotos.zip

If anyone wants to look at these photos, and tell me whether the images could possibly be considered normal, I would really appreciate it. I have e-mailed the images to NEC tech support.

I know NEC tech support has to be reasonably sure there's a problem -- difficult since they can't see it for themselves -- and I understand they don't want to just be sending out new monitors willy-nilly without good reason, but I don't know why they couldn't have contacted me to let me know my case had stalled.

One thing the tech support guy asked me -- although I didn't think to clarify why -- is whether the ghosts were still there if I switched the monitor off and then back on. And they do. What does that mean in terms of monitor function? BTW, both tech support guys have been really nice. They aren't the ones who make the decisions, though.

I don't think they don't believe you, they probably just need the best case possible before sending out another $1200 LCD. It's one of those things the "higher ups" require to give them a sense of power.

Those photos will surely show them. That image persistence is not normal by any means.

Turning the monitor off/on again? Basically it's like telling you to check the power plug I guess, I don't know. It's a last resort attempt at fixing, kind of like restarting Windows (which, admittedly, works sometimes).

Well, my photos convinced them! I called NEC tech support this morning and a couple of the guys there looked at the photos and said it was definitely defective and that they'd never seen anything quite like it. They were talking about sending the monitor to their engineers to try to figure out what the problem was. So apparently I just had the bad luck of getting a rare bad specimen.

They started processing the cross shipment but then discovered that they don't have any 2690's in stock! :shocked:

And they had no idea when they would be getting any more in stock. So I had no option but to request an RMA from Buy.com. (It had to be done within 14 days of when they originally shipped it to me, so I didn't want to wait and see if NEC got any next week.) We immediately packed up the monitor, slapped on the RMA shipping label and took it to UPS. This process will take much longer than a NEC cross shipment -- it'll take a week for the monitor to get back to Buy.com, "5 to 7 business days" for them to process the return, and then (assuming THEY agree it's defective) ship me another monitor.

Oh, well. At least I've got this 22" LG to use in the meantime, so I'll tough it out.

Thanks for looking at the photos. It's nice to have confirmation that I really wasn't exaggerating how bad the image persistence is.

Someday (the day I get the new monitor, probably) I'll look back on all this and laugh. :laugh:

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tasiin
Well, to be honest, I don't play too many new games. The few I've tried haven't run particularly great on my system though. I do tend to enable AA/AF though, and that's probably expecting a bit much from a two and a half year old card.

Do you think TNs will ever become competitive with the old IPS displays? Considering all of the inherent limitations in the technology (6-bit, terrible viewing angles), I didn't really think it would ever happen. They've certainly improved recently, but I'm not sure it will be enough. SED would be amazing, but I haven't heard a single thing about it since the demo of the 19" 1280x960 SED screen a few tech sites covered a while back.

TN due to its nature will never have the stability of an IPS panel. If it did, it wouldn't really be a TN. Compensation film good enough to project a stable image from a TN panel is probably impossible or too expensive.

As for the lottery, I've actually been leaning a little more towards the 4:3 screens if I were to try it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the LM201U05 panel that the LP2065 and 2007FP (can) use a bit more comparable with the 20WMGX2's panel than the LM201W01 that most 2007WFPs have?

I don't think this is correct. The 2007WFP is pretty comparable with the 20WMGX2.

I think there are a few WFPs with the same LM201WE2 panel that the 20WMGX2 has, but I'm sure my chances of getting one of those are slim, to say the least. I also have a slight preference for 4:3 over 16:10 at that size given my usage, but it's not really a big deal either way.

I don't think the WFP or 20WMGX2 ever overlapped in panel use. The 20WMGX2 used a more advanced AS-IPS (high transmittance/aperture ratio=brightness) panel with higher contrast (and more banding). The 2007WFP's standard S-IPS panel was still decent with good brightness. I don't believe AS-IPSs ever showed up in the WFP.

I'd probably do what you suggest and look into a 24" or 26" screen if this was going to be my only monitor, but it's a lot of money to spend for something that will most likely just end up being a secondary display that I use for desktop work such as web browsing or programming, and occasionally videos or games (though I'd be more likely to use my CRT for the latter).

Oh, why not make it the primary and designate the CRT as the secondary for corner cases where the LCD isn't suitable (response time)?

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Well, I tried...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
Also how is the huey monitor calibrator (THE NON PRO) version? I found it at circuit city for $50....

One word: crap. Avoid it please, it makes midtones worse.

Originally posted by: redlinez33
XTKNIGHT any information on the L246WP-BN??

MVA, PVA ,or is it SPVA? I can buy a floor model at best buy with full warranty for $500.....

Any good? Worth to look at?

AUO P-MVA. That's a decent deal you might take up, though. But not if one of the 24"s on the OP is available for the same price. Locally though that's hard to beat.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Mallomar
Well, my photos convinced them! I called NEC tech support this morning and a couple of the guys there looked at the photos and said it was definitely defective and that they'd never seen anything quite like it. They were talking about sending the monitor to their engineers to try to figure out what the problem was. So apparently I just had the bad luck of getting a rare bad specimen.

They started processing the cross shipment but then discovered that they don't have any 2690's in stock! :shocked:

And they had no idea when they would be getting any more in stock. So I had no option but to request an RMA from Buy.com. (It had to be done within 14 days of when they originally shipped it to me, so I didn't want to wait and see if NEC got any next week.) We immediately packed up the monitor, slapped on the RMA shipping label and took it to UPS. This process will take much longer than a NEC cross shipment -- it'll take a week for the monitor to get back to Buy.com, "5 to 7 business days" for them to process the return, and then (assuming THEY agree it's defective) ship me another monitor.

Oh, well. At least I've got this 22" LG to use in the meantime, so I'll tough it out.

Thanks for looking at the photos. It's nice to have confirmation that I really wasn't exaggerating how bad the image persistence is.

Someday (the day I get the new monitor, probably) I'll look back on all this and laugh. :laugh:

Well I'm glad you got the situation taken care of, anyway. Good luck. You will end up with a world-class monitor soon enough even though I'm sure this experience wasn't exactly enlightening or convincing after a $1200 payment.

 

[Trean]

DoctorM, xtknight, or someone in the know:

about to finally plop down for the vx2435wm just trying to verify one last thing...

I was wondering about the monitors aspect modes or scaling options. Since I want to watch television via the monitor its kind of important and it just occurred to me. Maybe someone knows where these are listed or DoctorM could you list them or someone else with the monitor OSD at their disposal.

oh and one more thing:

the review on 'trustedreviews.com' states:

This is a fairly comprehensive list of options and as an added bonus there's support for 1:1 pixel mapping. However, testing revealed that the monitor only did this accurately over D-Sub and not over Component or HDMI. When outputting 1080p over HDMI or Component with 1:1 pixel mapping enabled, the display added black bars all round the image. Considering 1080p (1,920 x 1,080) shares the same horizontal resolution as the native resolution of this display, there should only be bars at the top and bottom of the display.

just wondering if anyone that owns the monitor has any way of testing this. um possibly a full 1080p trailer or something like that and use the osd menu to change to 1:1 mode

Thanks for all the help.

 

[redlinez33]

P-MVA? Any difference between that and MVA?

I heard the LG is pretty fast for gaming compared to other 24" VA panels, so I might try and pick it up..


Do you know if its a true 8bit monitor?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Trean
DoctorM, xtknight, or someone in the know:

about to finally plop down for the vx2435wm just trying to verify one last thing...

I was wondering about the monitors aspect modes or scaling options. Since I want to watch television via the monitor its kind of important and it just occurred to me. Maybe someone knows where these are listed or DoctorM could you list them or someone else with the monitor OSD at their disposal.

I'm pretty sure he stated them a few pages back although I understand that's not easy to find.

Sorry I don't have the info right off but as I recall it did all three (1:1, aspect, fill). It might be in the online manual.

oh and one more thing:

the review on 'trustedreviews.com' states:

This is a fairly comprehensive list of options and as an added bonus there's support for 1:1 pixel mapping. However, testing revealed that the monitor only did this accurately over D-Sub and not over Component or HDMI. When outputting 1080p over HDMI or Component with 1:1 pixel mapping enabled, the display added black bars all round the image. Considering 1080p (1,920 x 1,080) shares the same horizontal resolution as the native resolution of this display, there should only be bars at the top and bottom of the display.

I wonder if they're confusing it with overscan.

just wondering if anyone that owns the monitor has any way of testing this. um possibly a full 1080p trailer or something like that and use the osd menu to change to 1:1 mode

Thanks for all the help.

If you have an NVIDIA card it has a 1:1 option (and maybe ATI). If you're using an internal TV tuner then you're good to go. In any case, it would probably be TV-tuner-software-adjusted.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: redlinez33
P-MVA? Any difference between that and MVA?

I heard the LG is pretty fast for gaming compared to other 24" VA panels, so I might try and pick it up..


Do you know if its a true 8bit monitor?

Yes it is true 8-bit.

MVA usually just refers to P-MVA. If you're going to distinguish them, MVA has 2 liquid crystal domains and P-MVA has 4. The more domains the wider the viewing angle and more brightness (thus contrast). AMVA I believe has 8 LC domains like S-PVA, and maybe a higher aperture ratio (how close crystals are to filters, light transmittance) to boast a higher contrast.

 

[Cheex]

This monitor has now become even more attractive...

The second best 1920x1200 rating on Newegg and now at $500...

Tell me again, your thoughts...

...**drum roll please**...

Note: I'm totally monitor confused right now, all I know is that I want 1920x1200 for gaming and movies.

 

[DoctorM]

For those playing along at home.
Received 3rd and what will have to be the final VX2435wm from TechOnWeb.

The box wasn't taped, and it took them 24 hours to ship it this time (showing up on Friday).

There is 1 white stuck pixel. It's 1/3 of the distance from the right side of the screen and one inch from the bottom.
Basically you'd have to be looking for it to really see it.

Trean: I'm aware there is sizing issues with the VX24 if you are using an external (non-PC) input and it's PAL. This was mentioned in Prad.de's review (and one of the reasons the monitor didn't get their best rating).
I have no good external sources to test with.

Anyway the settings: Aspect Ratios are available at 1:1, 4:3, 16:9, and Full Screen.
I want to say that 1:1 gives actual resolution (pixel for pixel), 4:3 (left/right borders), 16:9 full width (top/bottom borders), Full Screen (stretch to fit in 4 directions), but the truth is other wise.

Some resolutions just don't work the way they're suppose to. I can't really tell you why, or specifically what. It may be my video card too since I know there are some compatibility issues there. (1920x1080 for example comes up 4x3 pillar boxed with a panning desktop for me).

DVI seems to work a bit differently (read worse), but I'll have to play around with it more. Some resolutions work properly some will just resize to full screen (even if set to 1:1).

I've been keeping it set to 4x3 since it'll run 1920x1200 full screen that way, and anything that's 4x3 gets run full screen with L/R borders.
I wish I could help more, maybe someone else has external sources to test... but I do concur, there is something odd with the scaling on this panel (especially over HDMI). It just doesn't effect anything I would be doing with it.

Everything else seems fine so far. I just think it should be zero dead pixels once you hit more than $300 for a display... but that's just me.

 

[Cheex]

Also....

I saw some nice reviews on this cheapo Acer...
What you guys think...its glossy...:thumbsup:....
Acer P243WAid

 

[DoctorM]

Ok, here's the deal... some things work differently on Analog (DSub) versus Digital (HDMI) inputs on the VX24.
BUT, what you need to be aware of (like 1920x1080) is that your video card will influence things. ATI drivers at least include special HDTV settings and you need to adjust those accordingly.

Also a few resolutions just don't come out quite right. But here's the deal. If you're doing anything outside of a game, you'd be an idiot to run at anything besides full resolution 1920x1200 and your software video players will add borders and compensate (of course).
In games a few resolutions don't work right but 9 out of 10 will. I tested in Half Life 2 which is capable of 4x3, 16x9 and 16x10 resolutions. For those most part even under HDMI I could set a resolution and it could be letterboxed/pillarboxed to full screen or run picture framed at 1:1 pixel resolutions. A few didn't work. I found one 4x3 that went full screen regardless of the monitor's setting, but there was another very close 4x3 resolution that worked fine.

Basically the only place you're going to have a problem is if you're using a non-standard desktop resolution you MAY under some conditions come up with strange results.
If you have an external PAL input... it may not play back correctly.
I tested an NTSC VCR and it was beautiful. Full height 4x3 was deinterlaced, Fullscreen distorts to full width (16x9 was exactly the same... still don't know what that setting is suppose to do), and 1x1 picture frames. No problems there.

I have no external HD source to test, but I was able to get 1920x1080p@30hz to work letterboxed by tweaking my driver, but I don't think the Viewsonic is capable of hitting that resolution at 60hz (although 1920x1280 can).

I hope that helps.

 

[Trean]

That is exactly what I wanted, I know that no monitor seems to be perfect but I couldn't go an buy a monitor that didn't have 16:9 and 4:3 modes since you need to force TV signals into those modes because I do not have a pc internal tuner and thus the signal comes as 3:2 for normal television and a television forces it to 4:3 and I need the monitor to do the same.

In regards to 16:9 and 4:3, from your question. 4:3 should be the option you use unless the program/video you are watching from whatever source (vcr, etc) is widescreen formatted. At least that is what I think.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Engraver
Ordered a Planar PX2611W today. I would have preferred a 24" since it would fit better on my desk, but this monitor seems to be the closest thing quality/input lag wise to the 20WMGX2, so I thought I'd give it a try. I should get it Monday at the latest, will post more then.

My friend has a PX2611W, and unless you get one with bad backlight bleeding (which seems too common on this model), you're sure to be happy with it. He has no dead/stuck pixels, and the warranty is very good. Other than having to turn the brightness down to 0 (its ridiculously bright), he's had no problems whatsoever. The size and panel type alone make up for the lack of inputs, and the response time (5ms G2G/12ms) and very low input lag (1 frame) make this an awesome monitor.

 

[czajunia]

Another colorimeter question.

After reading some colorimeters reviews and user opinions it looks like Eye One calibration device sold under different names (Lacie, GretagMacbeth, X-Rite) with different software packages is the best affordable calibration solution. Especially when compared with slightly cheaper Spyder2 and Pantone Huey Pro.

As I couldn't find too much information on that does anyone know how EyeOne Display2 compares with the new Spyder3 device? Has anyone actually tried Spyder3?

Also, I read somewhere (I think it was one of the digital photgraphy forums) that Spyder2 is very capable device if used with a proper 3rd party software. Is this correct and is it possible to get good (read: comparable to EyeOne Display2) results using this device or is it in a completely different league hardware wise?

Thank's a lot for all the answers!

 

[Trean]

Going to place the order, but have to call on Monday. They have a policy that they don't ship to addresses not listed with the credit card. And the address I ship to (at school) is certainly not on my card. Still going to place the order, and hopefully me calling to verify that it was indeed me placing the charge then they will be fine with it.

We shall see.

 

[Tasiin]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I don't think the WFP or 20WMGX2 ever overlapped in panel use. The 20WMGX2 used a more advanced AS-IPS (high transmittance/aperture ratio=brightness) panel with higher contrast (and more banding). The 2007WFP's standard S-IPS panel was still decent with good brightness. I don't believe AS-IPSs ever showed up in the WFP.

My mistake then. Still not sure I want to bother with the lottery, but if I did, which do you think is the better monitor overall, the FP or WFP? What are the differences exactly?

I only really prefer 4:3 because my desktop usage includes programming -- the extra height is more useful than extra width there -- and I occasionally play a few older games that don't support widescreen resolutions. I can always run them with fixed aspect scaling, though back when I had a 20WMGX2 I found the IPS panel's tendency to turn purple or orange at the corners of the black borders and bleed a little into the rest of the image pretty annoying for that.

Originally posted by: xtknight
Oh, why not make it the primary and designate the CRT as the secondary for corner cases where the LCD isn't suitable (response time)?

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Well, I tried...

Heh, so have I.

Though I'd probably be happier with a monitor without gloss than I was with the NEC. In the addition to the other things that bothered me about it that would apply to pretty much any other LCD, I think that was the real deal breaker. That, and I was just expecting too much from it really. I wanted it to be able to be as good or nearly as good as my CRT for everything I commonly do, and those were pretty unrealistic expectations I have to admit.

It had fantastic image quality when the reflections weren't an issue though, far better than any other monitor I've used (including CRTs). I hope I haven't been spoiled in advance for anything else.