Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: krilonx
Thank you very much for your advices! I don't need it especialy for gaming , but for its colors accuracy and lower price. And its fast image delay I think its very welcome for me
I need an 19" 5:4 TN panel LCD with good colors. Of course, I'm not expected it to be better than an IPS or VA, the more expensive ones
I checked your 19" LCD recommendations and this was good for Office work and Multimedia, too. I need it a lot for web surfing at this moment.
This is my first LCD monitor and I'm making a transition from an old, heavy Dell Trinitron of 17", with superb colors of course, but not in its best condition for clear text. Maybe I'll use them both if I have enough space
Now I'm searching something about LG's pixel warranty, but, again, it's hard(er) to find
I would also consider of buying Philips, Samsung or another producer's 19" TN LCD, if they have better colors than this LG L1970HR-BF, at a similar price, but I think not Of course good text and images or diagrams legibility is also very important.
Thank you again for you support!
I'm really sorry if you mentioned this earlier but were the Samsung 971P or ViewSonic VP930b 19" VA panels unsuitable for some reason? The HP LP1965 is another possibility. I'd like to say all these VA panels would be superior, especially the 971P.
Pixel policies often vary per country. Are you in the US? If so it's probably just as bad as all the other policies here (at least 4-6 dead pixels).
I don't think these TN LCDs will come close to your Trinitron.
I think the L1970HR is a good bet but here are other options.
The Samsung 932B Plus looks good (probably better than L1970HR):
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/re.../samsung_932b_plus.htm
The L1960TQ is another decent option:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_l1960tq.htm
Thank you again for your informations!
I'm not in the US. Here prices, in local currency (VTA included), are higher. For example:
Samsung 971P is ~$550
ViewSonic VP930 is ~$500
HP LP1965 is ~$430
LG L1970HR is ~$380
Samsung 932B(+) is ~$351
Samsung 932BF is ~$386
LG L1960TQ cannot be found
(Philips 190C8FS is ~$304)
Samsung 932B+ seems a lot better than LG L1960TQ, and also better image than LG L1970HR.
The difference between Samsung 932B and 932B+ is just the Digital Contrast?
But are 932B+ and 932BF the same? I have contradictory informations from samsung.com. It seems that they have the same design, even that samsung.com messed the 932BF's picture:
http://www.samsung.com/nl/prod...tors/economy/932bf.asp
http://www.samsung.com/my/prod...sp?page=Specifications
The bad part concerning this model is its glossy, "reflection-friendly" design, fragile, instable aspect and I don't know if its 10 degrees tilt is enough
(Default and after calibration values of) (LG L1970HR) (Samsung 932B+) (LG L1960TQ)
(Average Delta E) (15.89?2.66) (2.8...0.9) (3.5...1.1)
(Maximum Delta E) (?...?) (5.9? 2.5) (6.3?2.0)
(Black depth [cd/m2]) (?...0.45) (0.27...0.14) (0.70...0.30)
(Contrast) (?...620:1) (1000:1...850:1) (297:1...403:1)
Sources:
http://translate.google.com/tr...%3D20%26%23entry522351
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/re.../samsung_932b_plus.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_l1960tq.htm
It seems that data for LG L1970HR isn?t too acurate, not beeing used LaCie Blue Eye Pro in this case. Also in the first link page, ViewSonic VX922 (which? has a 19 inch 2 ms (g2g) TN panel? ? flatpanels.dk) is told to have 8.17?3.03 Delta E, before and after calibration, but, on another website, I?ve found a lot better results: 5.5?0.7 (
http://www.behardware.com/arti...-6-8-ms-and-above.html)
So this means that this TN LCD has better color reproduction than Samsung 932B+ (with 0.9) ?
Anyway, I'm impressed by 932 B+ values. But it seems hard to identify it, and not confusing it with B or BF, which might even be the same model, I don?t know. And the reflection problem put me thinking? I don?t understand why they chose that glossy, piano design, not thinking about the possible problems.
What would it be your opinion about Samsung 940N, comparing to those? It seems really the most popular 19? LCD here. It looks regular, and I can?t find professional reviews about it, as it really could?ve been my point of reference. I?m almost sure it isn?t even closely as good as those ones. Its colors look typically poor for an TN LCD, though a little more concentrated, saturated, yellowish than some other ones, but worse than Philips 190C8FS, with PerfecTune. Maybe Samsung 932B+ has a even better quality image.
Philips 190C8FS has a lot better design though, and a tilt of -2?20 degrees, instead of Samsung 932B?s <10 degrees.
Side by side comparison:
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/er...der=asc&Submit=compare
I can?t figure out which is better
Philips has different panels, I think, for this 190C8FS model: 190C8FS/00, sold in most of the European countries (including UK), and 190C7FS/05, sold only in UK. Now I see that United States isn?t on that list!
http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi..._CA&grp=PC_PRODUCTS_GR
The product presentation seems convincing:
?The very best in LCD display
An all new viewing experience! With SmartImage and SmartContrast for crystal clear pictures plus PerfecTune for quality-assured display, the 190C8 delivers the ultimate in display performance.?
?PerfecTune
PerfecTune is industry-leading, proprietary Philips testing and algorithm technology for monitor adjustment and fine tuning, an extensive process that ensures ultimate display performance in compliance with a standard four-times more stringent than Microsoft's Vista requirements from each and every monitor that leaves the factory - not just a few review samples. Only Philips goes to these lengths to deliver this exacting level of colour accuracy and display quality in every new monitor.?
I don?t understand why this model is missing on both flatpanels.dk and tftcentral.co.uk, not even in the ?Panel Search? list.
Philips 190C8FS is priced here ~$304. I don?t know why it is at this lower price (for example, Samsung 932B+ is ~$350-380, and Samsung 971P is ~$550)
The big problem with my current, old monitor is the text readability and I can?t afford of having even the smallest problem with this issue anymore. And, of course, I?m searching for decent realistic colors, at a lower (TN panel) price.
I hope I?ll finally come to a decision in 1 or 2 days.
Thank you again for your support!