Originally posted by: ATUCutter
I have been searching for a good LCD monitor for awhile now that would suit my gaming needs and my work needs. I work at home and am on my computer a lot, when I have some free time I like to play a good first person shooter (which are hard to come by these days on the PC, but that is another story )I have been looking at this thread for over a month now and there is just a plethora of information in here, thanks to xtknight and other knowledgable individuals. Thanks again.
Money is the restrictive factor for me. If it wasn't I would be grabbing the Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP-HC or the UltraSharp WFP2007 which Dell no longer carries on their home site.
Now I will cut to the chase after all of this babbling I am seriously considering this monitor NEC AccuSync ASLCD223WXM I'm positive it isn't a IPS panel for the size and price ($269.99) but it is listed as having a horizontal and vertical viewing angles of 176 ! How do they do that on a TN? This thing has been out for awhile now and I am finding very little information on it, e.g. reviews from actual buyers, tech reviews. There are a few on Newegg and Dell but not many.
It is only on sale at Dell for one more day, if anyone has any info on this or owns it, or would simply like to talk me in or out of it please feel free. I appreciate any help. I want to make sure it will be good enough for reflex gaming but still have good color and very clear text when working.
NEC LCD223WXM product page tech specs
Thanks in advance !!
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: najames
Thanks for the info, I'd think the same thing but I have been trying to use the FGLRX drivers, they puke trying to install no matter what I try. If I following the Ubuntu ATI howto for Gutsy, it aborts. It also likes to copy my xorg.conf to a backup then leave me without an xorg.conf file altogether, grrrr. I tried running the reconfigure and it basically does nothing. If I try to change the monitor in the screen resolution, and try to test it, all see is a garbled screen, then it reverts back to the standard 1280x1024 and Mesa driver. It's acts like it doesn't have a clue what the x1250 onboard video is. I'll try something else tonight.
http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.p...tsy_Installation_Guide
EDIT: bahh thought about this, gotta be the HDMI port on the Biostar TA690G causing problems, known to Linux since the chipset is supported in the ATI driver. I'll check settings in the BIOS tonight after work.
You should probably ask in #ubuntu irc.freenode.net I idle there (sometimes) as xtknight so you can leave me a msg too I can try and help you with it.
Maybe you should consider an NVIDIA card too. NV drivers are still better on Linux even though that forum is clogged with complaints.
Originally posted by: krilonx
Thank you again for your informations!
I'm not in the US. Here prices, in local currency (VTA included), are higher. For example:
Samsung 971P is ~$550
ViewSonic VP930 is ~$500
HP LP1965 is ~$430
LG L1970HR is ~$380
Samsung 932B(+) is ~$351
Samsung 932BF is ~$386
LG L1960TQ cannot be found
(Philips 190C8FS is ~$304)
Samsung 932B+ seems a lot better than LG L1960TQ, and also better image than LG L1970HR.
The difference between Samsung 932B and 932B+ is just the Digital Contrast?
But are 932B+ and 932BF the same? I have contradictory informations from samsung.com. It seems that they have the same design, even that samsung.com messed the 932BF's picture:
http://www.samsung.com/nl/prod...tors/economy/932bf.asp
http://www.samsung.com/my/prod...sp?page=Specifications
The bad part concerning this model is its glossy, "reflection-friendly" design, fragile, instable aspect and I don't know if its 10 degrees tilt is enough
(Default and after calibration values of) (LG L1970HR) (Samsung 932B+) (LG L1960TQ)
(Average Delta E) (15.89?2.66) (2.8...0.9) (3.5...1.1)
(Maximum Delta E) (?...?) (5.9? 2.5) (6.3?2.0)
(Black depth [cd/m2]) (?...0.45) (0.27...0.14) (0.70...0.30)
(Contrast) (?...620:1) (1000:1...850:1) (297:1...403:1)
Sources:
http://translate.google.com/tr...%3D20%26%23entry522351
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/re.../samsung_932b_plus.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_l1960tq.htm
It seems that data for LG L1970HR isn?t too acurate, not beeing used LaCie Blue Eye Pro in this case. Also in the first link page, ViewSonic VX922 (which? has a 19 inch 2 ms (g2g) TN panel? ? flatpanels.dk) is told to have 8.17?3.03 Delta E, before and after calibration, but, on another website, I?ve found a lot better results: 5.5?0.7 (http://www.behardware.com/arti...-6-8-ms-and-above.html)
So this means that this TN LCD has better color reproduction than Samsung 932B+ (with 0.9) ?
Anyway, I'm impressed by 932 B+ values. But it seems hard to identify it, and not confusing it with B or BF, which might even be the same model, I don?t know. And the reflection problem put me thinking? I don?t understand why they chose that glossy, piano design, not thinking about the possible problems.
What would it be your opinion about Samsung 940N, comparing to those? It seems really the most popular 19? LCD here. It looks regular, and I can?t find professional reviews about it, as it really could?ve been my point of reference. I?m almost sure it isn?t even closely as good as those ones. Its colors look typically poor for an TN LCD, though a little more concentrated, saturated, yellowish than some other ones, but worse than Philips 190C8FS, with PerfecTune. Maybe Samsung 932B+ has a even better quality image.
Philips 190C8FS has a lot better design though, and a tilt of -2?20 degrees, instead of Samsung 932B?s <10 degrees.
Side by side comparison:
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/er...der=asc&Submit=compare
I can?t figure out which is better
Philips has different panels, I think, for this 190C8FS model: 190C8FS/00, sold in most of the European countries (including UK), and 190C7FS/05, sold only in UK. Now I see that United States isn?t on that list!
http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi..._CA&grp=PC_PRODUCTS_GR
The product presentation seems convincing:
?The very best in LCD display
An all new viewing experience! With SmartImage and SmartContrast for crystal clear pictures plus PerfecTune for quality-assured display, the 190C8 delivers the ultimate in display performance.?
?PerfecTune
PerfecTune is industry-leading, proprietary Philips testing and algorithm technology for monitor adjustment and fine tuning, an extensive process that ensures ultimate display performance in compliance with a standard four-times more stringent than Microsoft's Vista requirements from each and every monitor that leaves the factory - not just a few review samples. Only Philips goes to these lengths to deliver this exacting level of colour accuracy and display quality in every new monitor.?
I don?t understand why this model is missing on both flatpanels.dk and tftcentral.co.uk, not even in the ?Panel Search? list.
Philips 190C8FS is priced here ~$304. I don?t know why it is at this lower price (for example, Samsung 932B+ is ~$350-380, and Samsung 971P is ~$550)
The big problem with my current, old monitor is the text readability and I can?t afford of having even the smallest problem with this issue anymore. And, of course, I?m searching for decent realistic colors, at a lower (TN panel) price.
I hope I?ll finally come to a decision in 1 or 2 days.
Thank you again for your support!
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: czajunia
NEC 2690WUXi
I have read some opinions that wide gamut monitors are not the best for regular use, can cause more trouble than offer benefits and are generally recommended for people who work with wide gamut supporting applications all the time. How does it work with 2690? Apparently it is impossible to program monitor's LUT to use in a standard color gamut. So if you want to use basic color space you pay premium for some features you won't be able to use. Is this correct or am I mistaken here?
You are correct, which is why I do not recommend the LCD2690WUXi for screen/web-based photo editing. It is not as suitable as the LCD2490WUXi which is excellent for the same purpose. It's vital that people realize that before spending $1200 on an LCD.
Originally posted by: SCCA Racer X
Can anyone rank the relative color space by display type, and shed some light on the magnitude of the steps?
Originally posted by: Gunlance
So I am sitting in front of my brand new samsung 215TW right now!
Input lag was noticeable right from the get-go. It's as if my mouse was floating, of course I had been using a CRT for the past two days. Playing around with the pointer speeds in the windows control panel fixed a lot of it. My mouse is a logitech G5 and I will get used to this bit of a floaty mouse now, when I turned up to 2000dpi it's barely noticeable. But at the comfortable regular dpi setting it's kind of annoying so far. After some practice and regular use at my PC I am sure I won't notice anymore. Over at the Hard forums people said that playing with the HZ settings would help also. Any truth to that?
So far, I am just blown away by the quality. This is a great monitor everything looks so good, more crisp, sharper, and colors are way better. The angle of view is stellar compared to what I did have. However when I was viewing a power point slide at the end of the slide the whole screen was black and I noticed from all four corners what I believe was back light bleed. Like all the corners shot out a cone of it.
I tried seeing a guide about how to set up the monitor correctly but there isn't anything on the first page of this thread. What do you guys suggest I do? I would really like a way to see if that was bad backlight bleed or if it was just normal for my model of monitor.
EDIT:
I just popped in a Widescreen Formated DVD, and definitely I think what I am noticing is some bad backlighting..... : ( I will try and take a digital picture. Argh I just loathe the idea of returning the monitor and hope for better one. The angle of my viewing also changes how bad the back light is.
Originally posted by: redlinez33
I have two 245BW hooked up side by side right now and it amazes me how different they are for being the same model number... Both monitors are made in mexico, one is made in sept, other is made is august......
AUGUST: Brighter, truer whites from the factory, slightly bluer tint in dark scenes, very little backlight bleeding and no dead pixels
SEPT: Red tint to whites, slight backlight bleed and a dead pixel, not as much blue tint in dark scenes, SLIGHTLY RICHER COLORS.
Few things here surprise me. How much brighter one is over the other and the slightly richer color the other has..................... Its almost like they use different panels (LG? SAMSUNG?) or is this just a normal difference each one can be? I understand why you have to buy a hardware calibrator and not rely on other peoples settings they use.........
Very weird, I wonder what causes this difference.......
Originally posted by: czajunia
Anyone heard about these?
Daewoo 30''
Daewoo 24''
I assume that 24'' is a *PV panel judging by the price. What about 30''? Any chances for IPS here? What do you think. Has anyone used Daewoo monitors? Are they any good?
Originally posted by: SCCA Racer X
I am wondering about this question as well, and it occurred to me it might be useful to compare the LCD gamuts relative to CRTs. Are wide gamut LCD monitors closer to the CRT gamut than other LCDs, or not? I think this would put things more in perspective for me.
If normal (72%?) gamut LCDs are a smaller subset of the CRT gamut than wide gamut (90+%) LCDs, then I would feel comfortable with a wide gamut LCD. On the other hand, if a wide gamut LCD exceeds the gamut of a CRT by an appreciable amount, then that could present a problem. Does this make sense?
Can anyone rank the relative color space by display type, and shed some light on the magnitude of the steps?
For example, hypothetically, since I don't know where CRTs rank, I would like to see something like:
(72% LCD) << (97% LCD) < (100% LCD) = CRT < (107% LCD)
Originally posted by: 74Norton
Like many here, I need a little advice on picking a 20-22" widescreen monitor. It will be used for basic email, web type stuff but I also will use it for photo processing (not professional). I'd like to keep in under $500 if possible. The only monitor listed in the photo editing group that fits this is the Samsung 215TW. The only place I've been able to find this monitor is at Tiger Direct ($430), and I've read mixed reviews about them.
Gunlance, where did you get your 216TW?
I'm also considering the Dell 2007WFP. All of the reviews I could find are for the S-IPS version. Are there any reviews of the PVA version? Any idea how the PVA version would compare to the 215TW? It runs $400 at Dell Small Business.
I could also just get one of the better 22" TN screens, but that opens another big can of worms! Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. And thanks to xtknight for all this great information!
Originally posted by: SCCA Racer X
Originally posted by: SCCA Racer X
Can anyone rank the relative color space by display type, and shed some light on the magnitude of the steps?
I've been doing a little research on my own question, and it seems the % gamut number is meaningless without specifying which gamut you're referring to.
It seems the most relevant gamut is sRGB, which is the standard for "consumer electronic applications, such as digital cameras, PC operating systems, PC color monitors, and desktop printers.", according to NEC. Then, "Adobe RGB is an extended color space, promoted by Adobe, and which over time has become a de-facto standard in the professional color processing market." (again quoting NEC.) The red and blue ranges are close to sRGB, but the green range is considerably larger. Another popular one is the NTSC color space, which is the gamut of the North American analog TV broadcast standard. I get the feeling there are gamuts I haven't even heard of yet.
It appears to me that wide gamut monitors are targeting the Adobe RGB color space, for use in professional print production environments.
There are wide gamut CRTs, but the common CRT is designed for the sRGB gamut.
Needless to say, to get accurate colors, the gamut of the output device should match the gamut of the source.
So it would seem that the typical reader of this forum (including myself) should be looking for a monitor which conforms to 100% sRGB gamut if they want to see their digital photography, web, video and print work match their display. This implies that having wide gamut, or covering 100% NTSC or Adobe RGB color space, are not goals of a good consumer or office monitor.
Once again, I am amazed by the depth of detail there is to know, and how the assumption that "more is better" can be misleading.
I am curious to see for myself what the qualitative effect is of viewing sRGB images on a wide gamut monitor. Where can I see decent monitors on display near Chicago??? I'd like to see an HP LP2065 and a wide gamut monitor personally.
Originally posted by: ATUCutter
I have been searching for a good LCD monitor for awhile now that would suit my gaming needs and my work needs. I work at home and am on my computer a lot, when I have some free time I like to play a good first person shooter (which are hard to come by these days on the PC, but that is another story )I have been looking at this thread for over a month now and there is just a plethora of information in here, thanks to xtknight and other knowledgable individuals. Thanks again.
Money is the restrictive factor for me. If it wasn't I would be grabbing the Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP-HC or the UltraSharp WFP2007 which Dell no longer carries on their home site.
Now I will cut to the chase after all of this babbling I am seriously considering this monitor NEC AccuSync ASLCD223WXM I'm positive it isn't a IPS panel for the size and price ($269.99) but it is listed as having a horizontal and vertical viewing angles of 176 ! How do they do that on a TN? This thing has been out for awhile now and I am finding very little information on it, e.g. reviews from actual buyers, tech reviews. There are a few on Newegg and Dell but not many.
It is only on sale at Dell for one more day, if anyone has any info on this or owns it, or would simply like to talk me in or out of it please feel free. I appreciate any help. I want to make sure it will be good enough for reflex gaming but still have good color and very clear text when working.
NEC LCD223WXM product page tech specs
Thanks in advance !!
Originally posted by: 74Norton
Like many here, I need a little advice on picking a 20-22" widescreen monitor. It will be used for basic email, web type stuff but I also will use it for photo processing (not professional). I'd like to keep in under $500 if possible. The only monitor listed in the photo editing group that fits this is the Samsung 215TW. The only place I've been able to find this monitor is at Tiger Direct ($430), and I've read mixed reviews about them.
Originally posted by: 74Norton
Gunlance, where did you get your 216TW?
Originally posted by: dragon57
Ahhh! I have too much information .
First, I currently have a 19" crt that is on its last legs. I also just turned 50 and the eyes are not what they once were. I have been looking at the lcd's available at the local big box stores and can't figure out all the dot pitch specs I have and how that relates to text size on the different size widescreen panels. I like the looks and size of the 24" wide screen panels, but have no idea how the text at native resolution on these panels will be big enough for me. Note: I normally run 1280x1024 on my 19" crt.
Can someone educate me on these things?
Finally, thanks for all the info and feedback in this thread.
Originally posted by: ATUCutter
I have been searching for a good LCD monitor for awhile now that would suit my gaming needs and my work needs. I work at home and am on my computer a lot, when I have some free time I like to play a good first person shooter (which are hard to come by these days on the PC, but that is another story )I have been looking at this thread for over a month now and there is just a plethora of information in here, thanks to xtknight and other knowledgable individuals. Thanks again.
Money is the restrictive factor for me. If it wasn't I would be grabbing the Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP-HC or the UltraSharp WFP2007 which Dell no longer carries on their home site.
Now I will cut to the chase after all of this babbling I am seriously considering this monitor NEC AccuSync ASLCD223WXM I'm positive it isn't a IPS panel for the size and price ($269.99) but it is listed as having a horizontal and vertical viewing angles of 176 ! How do they do that on a TN? This thing has been out for awhile now and I am finding very little information on it, e.g. reviews from actual buyers, tech reviews. There are a few on Newegg and Dell but not many.
It is only on sale at Dell for one more day, if anyone has any info on this or owns it, or would simply like to talk me in or out of it please feel free. I appreciate any help. I want to make sure it will be good enough for reflex gaming but still have good color and very clear text when working.
Thanks in advance !!
Originally posted by: xtknight
The 215TW may have considerably better default color accuracy. The PVA included in the 2007WFP is a little subpar based off user reports.
Originally posted by: xtknight
You probably want to stay away from TNs. Try the HP LP2065. You have a chance of getting an S-IPS or AMVA, and the AMVA isn't all that bad. I wish I could recommend you a widescreen monitor but I can't recommend something that doesn't exist. The Lenovo 22" (1920x1200) is a possibility but there are no pro reviews of it yet. The Eizo 22" S-PVA is very expensive (~$700). Might just be better off with a VX2435wm if you can find a good deal on it (~$500+).
Originally posted by: starcycle
So I'm keeping the LG for now as I continue searching, I actually prefer it overall because of the samsungs shortcomings. When the samsung picture is good (blues, greens, natural fabrics, wood, stone, etc.), it's *way* better than the LG, of course. But it's really comparing apples and oranges as the LG is a TN panel, much cheaper, definitely cheaper feeling construction, etc. But I just can't live with the excessive reds of the samsung, or the green tinge when adjusting for that. Next I'm either going to try the 22" lenovo, or I guess just go to 24" instead in the search for the elusive perfect picture. I'll even take the perfect compromise at this point, but at more than twice the cost of the LG, I didn't think the samsung was it.
Originally posted by: Gunlance
I was considering the dell too. The samsung seemed more worth it especially seeing as you know what you are purchasing. I got my 215TW from tigerdirect and it was here lickety-split. I know tigerdirect is pretty skimpy on support/service there are whole websites dedicated to that : (