[Retired] The LCD Thread

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Will anything with an HDMI port scale 720p and 1080 images?

Certainly. The ViewSonic VX2435wm should, as well as the BenQ FP241W (the reliability of this LCD is mixed). Almost any other monitor 24" or over with an HDMI port has a scaler, although there aren't loads of HDMI PC monitors yet. They are quickly coming, though.

Originally posted by: zod96
Can lcd's really do 75hz? Or is it only in certain things. I read somewhere that lcd's are limited to 60hz yet mine is doing 75hz right now. Am I missing something? And I do notice a difference in 60hz vs 75hz, at 60hz the text is a tad blurry at 75hz its perfect...

In 99% of cases, LCDs can not do over 60 Hz. They will just have skipping, or they could have response time problems (like the Samsung 970P).

The only exception I know of personally is the VP930b because I saw 75 Hz with my own eyes and it didn't seem to skip, to me. Not sure if I bothered checking it with Pixel Persistence Analyzer though and it's not in my possession right now. I always used 75 Hz for gaming with it though, and it was great so I didn't pay attention to the synthetic tests.

Originally posted by: zod96
Can lcd's really do 75hz? Or is it only in certain things. I read somewhere that lcd's are limited to 60hz yet mine is doing 75hz right now. Am I missing something? And I do notice a difference in 60hz vs 75hz, at 60hz the text is a tad blurry at 75hz its perfect...

There's no reason the text clarity should be different unless you're also using different resolutions. If it's actually clearer at 75 Hz, something's probably wrong or you're just noticing things.

Originally posted by: zod96
I went with the samsung 2232GW. The one I got is great no dead or stuck pixels but it does have backlight bleeding on the bottom and top from left to right. Its only shown on a black screen of course. Is their a way to get rid of some of it, by increasing the contrast or turning down the brightness?

Brightness is the only control that would affect backlight bleeding, because contrast adjusts the crystals themselves. Turning it down would lessen the effect, yes, but bleeding is in fact a problem internal to the panel that you can't really "control".

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
so i've had a change of heart with the dell 3007wfp-hc..although i'm sure it is nice and all, after looking for a new video card i've come to the conlusion that it's native resolution is just to high to get good fps while gaming.

so i've turned to the 24"-27" size category. i think 1900x1200 will be just fine. the problem is there weren't many IPS panels in this range..the planar 25.5" seems to be the best option, although ToastyX's review over on HardForum was kind of scary.

what i'm most interested is no backlight bleeding, deep blacks with the lights off (i.e. nice for movies), low response times (for fps games), and lastly some sort of viewing angles (although i could sacrifice this)...so far i think my best options are: Planar PX2611W, Samsung 275T, Samsung 245BW, but i haven't really looked into it very thoroughly yet. i'm not really interested in perfect colors, so i'm not sure if the NEC LCD2X90WUXi's or planar are for me.

what do you guys think?

Maybe the Samsung 275T will suit you well. It has great response time. The only thing is, I don't know about input lag. It wasn't mentioned in the reviews I saw. I was going to be optimistic and say that since the 305T wasn't too bad, nor was the 275T, but I can't confirm this.

The 275T Plus, a new model, is due out soon and unfortunately I wouldn't just jump on this assuming it's only better. There are times when the successors of popular LCDs are actually worse (e.g. Samsung 2232BW vs older 226BW).

Until then the Planar really is a good bet because it has very low input lag. Better than the 245BW since the 24" TN's viewing angles might be frustrating, and plus the colors won't be as true. The LCD2690 probably has more lag than you'd like (I measure 50 ms).

 

[newschool]

My personnal review there, I just bought a 226BW from Samsung because at the moment the A panel is widely available in NorthAmerica, I got the third revision so its the same as the S panel but without calibration. I just used the .icm color calibration file from behardware and its all perfect. Great black deepness, great reactivity, great design.

Don't be scared to buy this monitor and just send it back to the store if you dont have a good A panel.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Jephph
How does the EIZO CE240W-BK Black 24.1" compare to the 24.1" NEC MultiSync LCD2490WUXi, 1920x1200 (16:10) or 25.5" NEC MultiSync LCD2690WUXi, 1920x1200 (16:10) for print-target photo editing?

The CE240W is not a wide gamut monitor like the LCD2690WUXi, so you'll be sacrificing quite a bit when it comes to print targets/using the Adobe RGB space. The CE240W is more expensive, it's an inferior panel type (S-PVA) w/ lower gamut, and it just isn't worth it for Adobe RGB workflows.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
are there any 1920x1200 native reso pva monitors out there with good response time (~1 frame lag)?

or any coming soon?? the 275t plus perhaps?

PVAs with only 1 frame of lag? I don't think I've ever seen such a thing but I'm not saying it's not possible. There might be one or two out there but usually anything 2 frames or under is hard to notice anyway. When you see 3 frames or higher you might start worrying, for gaming purposes. When you see 5 frames or higher you should probably avoid the LCD altogether. I wouldn't recommend something that had 5 frames of input lag (one exception: Samsung 215TW hit 5 frames in some cases I believe, and it's the only 21" S-PVA still available).

I don't recommend the 215TW much these days anyway, and its input lag issues are well known.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
oh i just read the x-bit labs review of the 275t..

The monitor has a good response time, for an S-PVA matrix: 9.8 milliseconds GtG on average with a maximum of 13.9 milliseconds.

with a 1.2% avg RTC error..hmmm..
any others monitors like this?

That's extremely low although I think the gaming TNs have only 5% error. 30% error or lower is generally nothing to worry about. You're simply not going to notice the difference anywhere.

The only reason I say input lag measurements include response time is because on the timers, the digits of the previous number have to fall and the digits of the new number coming up on the frame have to rise. But the response time that's included there may be quite short since black->red transition takes very little time on any type of LCD (full off->on state, extremely fast with overdrive).

It's a good relative measure of input lag and image delay in general. True response times of 16 ms or lower simply don't bother most people. Input lags (closer to just image delay) of 33 ms or lower don't bother most people.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: noriveia
Sorry but there is waaay to much to read through to see if soemone allready asked this sorry if it is repititious. I'm a wedding photographer by trade and need a good print match screen, But am also a hardcore gamer COD4 crysis TF2 all that good fast paced stuff I really dont want to buy two screen and switch back and forth so I need a monitor that can do both well I was thinking the:

Planar PX2611W

any opinions? anything pretty close to this but a little cheaper maybe? like hows the

planar PX2411W ?

The PX2611W would be a great choice for you. Low input lag and good image quality.

The PX2411W I know nothing about. It's an S-PVA panel though so automatically inferior to the PX2611W for photo editing (VA panels have some color shift at wide viewing angles).

I say just go for the PX2611W. It's unlikely anything more suited will come soon (S-IPS panels are uncommon).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
from what i've read on hardforum and extremetech, the planar is an H-IPS panel just like the NECs

http://www.hardforum.com/showt...d.php?t=1180069&page=8
http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,1697,2193634,00.asp

Image Delay (rt+lag): 16 ms (~1 frame)

isn't the input lag 1 frame? i was having trouble finding the actual response time for it, but extremetech was saying that:

There's a bit of smearing in some fast scenes of DVDs; again, this is neither the best nor worst we have seen in this regard, but really rather average.

so i would think that the "image delay" you have listed for it is way off and should be something more like 30ms or 45ms.

is there something i'm missing here?

I'm not sure what they're talking about to be honest. A fast LCD like the PX2611W shouldn't exhibit much ghosting, much less in movies.

The input lag of the PX has been measured at only 1 frame or so, equalling 16 ms. As I stated above response time is only partially factored into this (it's just the response time required to show a number on the screen). It's not real critical to state this because it's just a relative measurement. You can not count on that to be an absolute measurement of anything because response varies depending on the color transitions taking place. I just figure if part of an enemy's body is shown on your screen, then the screen has updated sufficiently for you to notice him. And that's not going to be much more than the time it takes for a red segment of a timer to show on an LCD. It's only a relative measurement to be used among LCDs.

Originally posted by: Timeetyo
XT:

Have you heard anything about the BenQ G2400W? It'd be that or a 245BW for gaming, what do ya think?

Thanks..

I'm thrilled to say, yes I have heard quite a bit of good things about the G2400W. Check these links out:

http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=579
http://www.drainweb.com/?p=95#more-95
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1237718

Its reviews on Newegg are great.

A recommendation from me will very likely come soon. I'd just love to see a pro review of it first. Right now it's a great bet for any gamer. As a TN it should have very low input lag (and I've seen reports confirming that).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
i noticed on tftcentral.co.uk that CMO and Samsung recently released new panel specs..how long does it usually take for these to be made into products and up for sale?

It usually takes about three months before any monitors actually use these "announced" panels but it also depends on how long it takes an OEM to integrate the new panel.

 

[muppet22]

is this an accurate assessment of response time though if it is only looking at black->red or red->black transitions?

maybe it would be better to list response time and input lag as 2 separate entries..instead of combining them as input delay?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: muppet22
from what i've read on hardforum and extremetech, the planar is an H-IPS panel just like the NECs

http://www.hardforum.com/showt...d.php?t=1180069&page=8
http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,1697,2193634,00.asp

Image Delay (rt+lag): 16 ms (~1 frame)

isn't the input lag 1 frame? i was having trouble finding the actual response time for it, but extremetech was saying that:

There's a bit of smearing in some fast scenes of DVDs; again, this is neither the best nor worst we have seen in this regard, but really rather average.

so i would think that the "image delay" you have listed for it is way off and should be something more like 30ms or 45ms.

is there something i'm missing here?

XT's image delay (1 frame) includes the 5ms response time and 12ms of lag.

Smearing (as opposed to ghosting) is not necessarily caused by slow response times as far as I know. Judging by some test patterns I've seen, its possible for still images to have smearing...

Smearing could possibly be dithering/FRC which would be exacerbated by movement.

Originally posted by: BDawg
How about 24" sets? Do most of the ones with a 1920x1080 panel support 1:1, HD resolutions, or scaling from 720p?

If you mean 24" 1920x1200 most of them to support inputting 1080i and 720p, yes. But many have reported issues with the scalers like overscan or sometimes interlaced mode doesn't work at all. Sometimes the black bars are actually gray, unadjustable and really distracting. Maybe deinterlacing doesn't even occur. There's a lot of things that could go wrong and you should investigate this on a model-by-model basis if you're not willing to risk returning an LCD.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22
is this an accurate assessment of response time though if it is only looking at black->red or red->black transitions?

maybe it would be better to list response time and input lag as 2 separate entries..instead of combining them as input delay?

No, it isn't really an accurate measurement of response time but this wasn't really my intention with the "image delay" measurement. It is primarily a measure of input lag. Still, it should be accurate within say 8 ms for almost any transition taking place. And input lag varies quite a bit depending on which frame you shoot (why, I'm not sure). This is not something that's easy to measure. It can only really be used as a relative measurement. Since all the panel types do black->red/vice versa quite fast we'd just be arguing semantics. It is a valid base for comparison amongst several LCDs but it is not something you'd want to put in your science lab for measuring liquid crystal response time. If you think that's unclear you're right and I will update my OP to state image delay is 90-95% input lag. There is a little bit of response time factored in to show the red segments (5-10%) of the timer.

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22
so i've had a change of heart with the dell 3007wfp-hc..although i'm sure it is nice and all, after looking for a new video card i've come to the conlusion that it's native resolution is just to high to get good fps while gaming.

so i've turned to the 24"-27" size category. i think 1900x1200 will be just fine. the problem is there weren't many IPS panels in this range..the planar 25.5" seems to be the best option, although ToastyX's review over on HardForum was kind of scary.

what i'm most interested is no backlight bleeding, deep blacks with the lights off (i.e. nice for movies), low response times (for fps games), and lastly some sort of viewing angles (although i could sacrifice this)...so far i think my best options are: Planar PX2611W, Samsung 275T, Samsung 245BW, but i haven't really looked into it very thoroughly yet. i'm not really interested in perfect colors, so i'm not sure if the NEC LCD2X90WUXi's or planar are for me.

what do you guys think?

Maybe the Samsung 275T will suit you well. It has great response time. The only thing is, I don't know about input lag. It wasn't mentioned in the reviews I saw. I was going to be optimistic and say that since the 305T wasn't too bad, nor was the 275T, but I can't confirm this.

The 275T Plus, a new model, is due out soon and unfortunately I wouldn't just jump on this assuming it's only better. There are times when the successors of popular LCDs are actually worse (e.g. Samsung 2232BW vs older 226BW).

Until then the Planar really is a good bet because it has very low input lag. Better than the 245BW since the 24" TN's viewing angles might be frustrating, and plus the colors won't be as true. The LCD2690 probably has more lag than you'd like (I measure 50 ms).

people on hardforum recorded 2 frames of input delay on the 275T. i've decided against getting a TN (so no 245BW)..the planar's reviews i've seen are a bit unnerving..especially that it doesn't have as deep of blacks as the 275T

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22
is this an accurate assessment of response time though if it is only looking at black->red or red->black transitions?

maybe it would be better to list response time and input lag as 2 separate entries..instead of combining them as input delay?

No, it isn't really an accurate measurement of response time but this wasn't really my intention with the "image delay" measurement. It is primarily a measure of input lag. Still, it should be accurate within say 8 ms for almost any transition taking place. And input lag varies quite a bit depending on which frame you shoot (why, I'm not sure). This is not something that's easy to measure. It can only really be used as a relative measurement. Since all the panel types do black->red/vice versa quite fast we'd just be arguing semantics. It is a valid base for comparison amongst several LCDs but it is not something you'd want to put in your science lab for measuring liquid crystal response time. If you think that's unclear you're right and I will update my OP to state image delay is 90-95% input lag. There is a little bit of response time factored in to show the red segments (5-10%) of the timer.

ah

 

[notnyt]

Originally posted by: noriveia
Sorry but there is waaay to much to read through to see if soemone allready asked this sorry if it is repititious. I'm a wedding photographer by trade and need a good print match screen, But am also a hardcore gamer COD4 crysis TF2 all that good fast paced stuff I really dont want to buy two screen and switch back and forth so I need a monitor that can do both well I was thinking the:

Planar PX2611W

any opinions? anything pretty close to this but a little cheaper maybe? like hows the

planar PX2411W ?

http://countercultured.net/cal/px2611w/px2611w.jpg

^ after calibration

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22
so i've had a change of heart with the dell 3007wfp-hc..although i'm sure it is nice and all, after looking for a new video card i've come to the conlusion that it's native resolution is just to high to get good fps while gaming.

so i've turned to the 24"-27" size category. i think 1900x1200 will be just fine. the problem is there weren't many IPS panels in this range..the planar 25.5" seems to be the best option, although ToastyX's review over on HardForum was kind of scary.

what i'm most interested is no backlight bleeding, deep blacks with the lights off (i.e. nice for movies), low response times (for fps games), and lastly some sort of viewing angles (although i could sacrifice this)...so far i think my best options are: Planar PX2611W, Samsung 275T, Samsung 245BW, but i haven't really looked into it very thoroughly yet. i'm not really interested in perfect colors, so i'm not sure if the NEC LCD2X90WUXi's or planar are for me.

what do you guys think?

Maybe the Samsung 275T will suit you well. It has great response time. The only thing is, I don't know about input lag. It wasn't mentioned in the reviews I saw. I was going to be optimistic and say that since the 305T wasn't too bad, nor was the 275T, but I can't confirm this.

The 275T Plus, a new model, is due out soon and unfortunately I wouldn't just jump on this assuming it's only better. There are times when the successors of popular LCDs are actually worse (e.g. Samsung 2232BW vs older 226BW).

Until then the Planar really is a good bet because it has very low input lag. Better than the 245BW since the 24" TN's viewing angles might be frustrating, and plus the colors won't be as true. The LCD2690 probably has more lag than you'd like (I measure 50 ms).

people on hardforum recorded 2 frames of input delay on the 275T. i've decided against getting a TN (so no 245BW)..the planar's reviews i've seen are a bit unnerving..especially that it doesn't have as deep of blacks as the 275T

Maybe the deep blacks aren't as important for you.

I think that the lower input lag (S-IPS, assumed) of the PX2611W is far more beneficial for gaming but it's hard to know without concrete numbers of the 275T's input lag. This is a little irrelevant since the 275T is no longer for sale now and we have no idea if the 275T Plus will be as good. (It is very likely however that the 275T Plus will use an S-PVA panel and have deeper blacks than the PX2611W.)

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: albovin

The 3008WFP isn't on there yet because I haven't added it yet

To those unterested in the Dell 3008.

There is a fresh and quite substantial http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...8wfp.html#Introduction">review on prad.de</a> now.

Usually prad.de is a very professional and reliable resourse.

This test result for the Dell 3008 is "Very Good". OK, I am glad.
But "Very Good" is not enough: the Dell 3008 is declared "very close to being the perfect all-round multimedia monitor"!
In the top news section it is called even better: null"a new all-round reference model"
Stop!

I know the crown of "a reference all-round multimedia monitor" is very heavy.
So far I have known only two of them - 2490/2690.

So I took a closer look at the pictures provided in the Video and DVD area of the test.

In a few words what I found in their pictures: 1080p is overscanned and cut off from both sides.
Note: they provided 1080p image in a sort of Aspect mode (full screen width, not 1:1 mode).
Even if 1:1 image is not provided yet, it's already enough to say: 3008 failed.

Here is a link to my dispute with them. Their only comment was like... camera was at an angle... panel tilted...

Can a panel tilt cut image off??:Q
It looks like their Prestige does not allow them to step down to an ordinary reader's comment.

Be a judge: LINK

Additional comment.
Unfortunately I do not have this monitor right now to test it.
Otherwise I would report ali the detailes without any doubts.
Anyway ends do not meet in prad.de review.

Look, they did tested the previous model (2707 - see it's test on prad.de) more thoroughly.

Now they awarded 3008 for about the same what they disqualified 2707 for... without analog inputs test pictures, just saying they were OK too..

I hope this monitor will find more realistic nomination on AnandTech.

I don't know if I want to recommend it. It's very expensive but it probably is a good monitor with all the inputs. It certainly isn't any worse than the 3007WFP-HC from what I seen so it can only be same/better, no reason not to have it on my list either.

I will wait until that issue is solved until I recommend it, anyway.

 

[muppet22]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22
so i've had a change of heart with the dell 3007wfp-hc..although i'm sure it is nice and all, after looking for a new video card i've come to the conlusion that it's native resolution is just to high to get good fps while gaming.

so i've turned to the 24"-27" size category. i think 1900x1200 will be just fine. the problem is there weren't many IPS panels in this range..the planar 25.5" seems to be the best option, although ToastyX's review over on HardForum was kind of scary.

what i'm most interested is no backlight bleeding, deep blacks with the lights off (i.e. nice for movies), low response times (for fps games), and lastly some sort of viewing angles (although i could sacrifice this)...so far i think my best options are: Planar PX2611W, Samsung 275T, Samsung 245BW, but i haven't really looked into it very thoroughly yet. i'm not really interested in perfect colors, so i'm not sure if the NEC LCD2X90WUXi's or planar are for me.

what do you guys think?

Maybe the Samsung 275T will suit you well. It has great response time. The only thing is, I don't know about input lag. It wasn't mentioned in the reviews I saw. I was going to be optimistic and say that since the 305T wasn't too bad, nor was the 275T, but I can't confirm this.

The 275T Plus, a new model, is due out soon and unfortunately I wouldn't just jump on this assuming it's only better. There are times when the successors of popular LCDs are actually worse (e.g. Samsung 2232BW vs older 226BW).

Until then the Planar really is a good bet because it has very low input lag. Better than the 245BW since the 24" TN's viewing angles might be frustrating, and plus the colors won't be as true. The LCD2690 probably has more lag than you'd like (I measure 50 ms).

people on hardforum recorded 2 frames of input delay on the 275T. i've decided against getting a TN (so no 245BW)..the planar's reviews i've seen are a bit unnerving..especially that it doesn't have as deep of blacks as the 275T

Maybe the deep blacks aren't as important for you.

I think that the lower input lag (S-IPS, assumed) of the PX2611W is far more beneficial for gaming but it's hard to know without concrete numbers of the 275T's input lag. This is a little irrelevant since the 275T is no longer for sale now and we have no idea if the 275T Plus will be as good. (It is very likely however that the 275T Plus will use an S-PVA panel and have deeper blacks than the PX2611W.)

the 275T isn't for sale? i see it on cdw and amazon..

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: muppet22
so i've had a change of heart with the dell 3007wfp-hc..although i'm sure it is nice and all, after looking for a new video card i've come to the conlusion that it's native resolution is just to high to get good fps while gaming.

so i've turned to the 24"-27" size category. i think 1900x1200 will be just fine. the problem is there weren't many IPS panels in this range..the planar 25.5" seems to be the best option, although ToastyX's review over on HardForum was kind of scary.

what i'm most interested is no backlight bleeding, deep blacks with the lights off (i.e. nice for movies), low response times (for fps games), and lastly some sort of viewing angles (although i could sacrifice this)...so far i think my best options are: Planar PX2611W, Samsung 275T, Samsung 245BW, but i haven't really looked into it very thoroughly yet. i'm not really interested in perfect colors, so i'm not sure if the NEC LCD2X90WUXi's or planar are for me.

what do you guys think?

Maybe the Samsung 275T will suit you well. It has great response time. The only thing is, I don't know about input lag. It wasn't mentioned in the reviews I saw. I was going to be optimistic and say that since the 305T wasn't too bad, nor was the 275T, but I can't confirm this.

The 275T Plus, a new model, is due out soon and unfortunately I wouldn't just jump on this assuming it's only better. There are times when the successors of popular LCDs are actually worse (e.g. Samsung 2232BW vs older 226BW).

Until then the Planar really is a good bet because it has very low input lag. Better than the 245BW since the 24" TN's viewing angles might be frustrating, and plus the colors won't be as true. The LCD2690 probably has more lag than you'd like (I measure 50 ms).

people on hardforum recorded 2 frames of input delay on the 275T. i've decided against getting a TN (so no 245BW)..the planar's reviews i've seen are a bit unnerving..especially that it doesn't have as deep of blacks as the 275T

Maybe the deep blacks aren't as important for you.

I think that the lower input lag (S-IPS, assumed) of the PX2611W is far more beneficial for gaming but it's hard to know without concrete numbers of the 275T's input lag. This is a little irrelevant since the 275T is no longer for sale now and we have no idea if the 275T Plus will be as good. (It is very likely however that the 275T Plus will use an S-PVA panel and have deeper blacks than the PX2611W.)

the 275T isn't for sale? i see it on cdw and amazon..

Whether its available or not, its been discontinued. So there may be a few left in some distributor's warehouse, but you better not need to use the warranty, because you'll either be waiting weeks/months for a repair, or getting a refurbished replacement if you get one at all.

Might as well wait for the 275T Plus IMO.

 

[Gordon Airporte]

The VP930b has been discontinued and is very hard to find online right now. You can get the head only, without the stand. Looks like it's time to remove it from the list.
The VP2030b is still around as far as I can tell.

In other news, the specs on the Dell 2408 (178 degrees, 6ms g2g) suggest a S-IPS panel, right? It hasn't launched yet, but I'd like to see the price before I buy something else...

Is anyone planning on producing a 22" that isn't a TN? I like the pixel pitch for the resolution, but the viewing angle thing is a big down-side.

 

[muppet22]

but i want it nowwww

 

[PaulMops]

Hi,

I was intrigued by the ~180 price point of the LG 204WT recently. I'm looking to buy either a 20 or a 22" monitor, but am looking to spend somewhere between 200-300$ on it. I use it for just about everything, and it's probably going to be where I hook my consoles up to as well. I just bought an X2VGA2 box for that, so I don't need component inputs, but in case I decide to spring for a PS2, I would like a monitor that has 1:1 pixel mapping (I think that's what it's called, but basically I want the option to display black bars, rather than stretching the image).

I checked out the 204WT in circuitcity, and couldn't find an option for that. Sad face

Is there any tricky buzz word for 1:1 pixel mapping I need to keep an eye out for? What's a good 200-300$ panel in my price range? I'll literally be using it for everything, and the only real caveat is extras like USB ports, extra plugs and all that don't matter to me. I'm only really somewhat interested in HDCP, just for future proofing.

Will the 204WT fit the bill? It looked great in store, but I'm wondering if I was just too much of a dunce to actually locate the 1:1 feature. Are all service menu's accessible via the same methodology across brands (turning power off, and powering back on while holding the menu button)?

Your advice and recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks,
-- Paul

 

[muppet22]

xtknight, have you read xbit's analysis of input lag?

what do you think? it really puts my concerns of input lag to rest..and that was my biggest concern for nearly all of the monitors i was considering..

 

[muppet22]

uhhh...it looks like the 275T Plus is already out? so far i've seen it in a handfew of online canadian sites and 1 US website: http://www.ncixus.com/

i think it just came out this past week? i will look into this more..

 

[Mallomar]

xtknight,

My replacement LCD2690wuxi arrived on Valentine's Day, which was appropriate because it's a thing of beauty, I love it, and I want to bear its children. :heart:

(This was the replacement unit sent by Buy.com after I sent back the one with the horrible ghosting/image persistence problem.)

What a gorgeous monitor this is! As soon as I turned it on and the Windoze splash screen came up, I knew it was a good one -- it looked wildly different from the first one. After boot-up, I started moving windows and palettes around, and NO image persistence! I'm swooning with joy! :thumbsup:

I haven't done anything except turn down the brightness (I think it's at about 40% now, and still really too bright) -- I'm still basking in the glow. It arrived just in time for me to spend a couple of hours adjusting photos in Photoshop, and the images looked great, except of course for the blacks not being as black as the old CRT (but I knew about that limitation).

If you have any suggestions for adjusting the monitor (just using the built-in capabilities -- I haven't bought the Spectraview kit yet so I can't calibrate), I'm all ears.

Although I'm not thinking about sending this one back, how do I check for problems? I found a web page that lets me generate an almost-full-screen (except for menu and scroll bars) black/red/etc. screen, and I don't see any dead or stuck pixels, but maybe I'm missing them? Are they real obvious? Is it possible I got a panel with no problem pixels at all? And would it be obvious if I had backlight bleeding? I tried the black screen (with the room lights turned off) and didn't see anything funny, but again I wasn't sure where or what to look for.

Thanks again for recommending this monitor -- it was well worth waiting for, and worth the cost -- and for all of the great info in this thread.

Mallomar